Question of society on the love and the soulmate

Kisito

Jedi Council Member
I am French, and at present in the debate public French, there is a split of the public opinion on the homosexual marriage.
I have never had really opinion because I don't really recognize the marriage. It seems to me that it's an archaic contract which the religion established. I understand that we want to celebrate the love. I understand that the woman needed guaranteed, because it's her who generally raise the children. And what many men flee their responsibility. Of this fact the woman it's often managed towards powerful men, so that they protect its offspring. It's thus very logically that the polygamy it's installed. And it was as well logical as " the big families " get married to preserve their fortune.
Other advantage of the marriage, it's the contract of ownership. It's directly the pride and thus the jealousy that are responsible there.

So the marriage which was strongly promulgated by the religious authorities would rest only on the money and the jealousy? The money and the jealousy are STS …

If we were delivered from the material problem and from our jealousy, the marriage would always take place to be? I don't think so. But independently of the marriage the love between two persons exist. Nevertheless sometimes a few months or a few years later, there isn't track of this love!

Is there a law on the love? Some people can love two persons at the same time, maybe even a man Man and a woman at the same time! Can we say to these persons that it isn't possible because it's not arrived at us? Tomorrow it would be also possible to claim in the name of the love a marriage for three! In the name of the history many people will say that the family it's a father mother, but in the history of the humanity the father was not often present!
I have no solution, but this seems to me superficial, my wife, my husband, my children, my family, my city, my country, my race, isn't it a little STS?
I am not different.

Mouravieff in Gnosis, had defines the love as a state between two persons of opposite sex.
Laura Knight-Jadczyk explains that the soulmate exists, that we are made for the another person. In " Wave 3 or 4 " she says that she will give more explanation on this notion! Maybe she speaks about it in 5, 6 or 7 but I have no French translation. Maybe in " The secret story 2 ". I not nothing on the forum of precise answer on the soulmate.

I don't thus understand this story of soulmate? Does it want to say, a carnal agreement or a carnal and friendly agreement or a friendly and intellectual either spiritual carnal agreement? Why should we have that a soulmate? If our soulmate dies before one met it, what happens?

In " Ethics to Nicomaque " or " The metaphysical " of Aristote, the latter says that the friendship rests on interests. The children are easily friends, because them interests are Basic, but with the age, when the one remains a simple citizen and the other one goes to the biggest intellectual spheres, how you want that they remain friends?
In " The banquet " of Platon, Socrates says that the love is bigger the friendship or any other human link, because it rests on no human will, it's good that the platonic attraction (lover) is superior.

I would just like to ask: Is it bad to have several platonic or sexual partners, as in the friendship? And if we obey the love because it's of divine order, why to continue to obey it when it leaves, staying with our partner?

How I believed to understand it or to interpret it in Laura's papers, was not the Love imposed on us in the unique purpose to procreate to continue our karmique cycle?

And the homosexuality or the infertility would be imposed on us in causes of the excess large numbers of organic vehicles or organic portals …

Isn't the love a suggestion, as the hypnotist who suggests invisibility of a man and who becomes invisible for some?
Except that this love which would be suggested to us would be maybe buries in our genome?
 
Well i think you must clarify what 'love' Really is.. And it is not the emotions you feel for others like (sexual, possesion, or wanting to live with that person for example) which is the common thing that people think it is.. Second, as i understand most of us reincarnate in different lives with the same soul group to keep the lessons with the interaction with that group, so the soulmate thing could be very well truh.. And homosexuality does not matter cuz is just a karma/genetic thing and you can see it trought all the nature.. And what matters is the soul! So yeah.. Marriage is just a 'legal formalism' of the union with somebody
 
It's good to make the distinction between subjective and objective love. Here is a link to Cassiopaea Glossary that can open the subject more.

http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=448&lsel=L

At the human level, the essential question of love is whether one loves another or whether one loves one's own idea of this other. Loving another seeks to support this other in achieving whatever his/her highest potential or innate direction may be. For this to make any sense, one has to seek to know the beloved first, with appreciation and understanding, on the other's terms, not one's own. The Gurdjieffian tradition calls this objective love.

The subjective kind of love is attached to one's own idea of the other or to what can be gained or obtained from the other. People call the most various desires love. These can have to do with social status, addiction to power over or domination of another, sexual interest and so forth. The emotion fluctuates between satisfaction of getting and fear of losing and is generally centered on the self. Subjective love seeks to somehow forcibly appropriate another into one's extended self. One example of this is showing off what a clever or good-looking partner or child one has in order to somehow increase oneself. Any games of domination or co-dependence which often involve the term love fall in this category.

STS is the subjective love and STO is objective love. Every time we make a choise, we choose either to service self or others.

Even at the human level, we see how love, will and knowledge are linked. We may think of the love as the impulse of will, of light as the exchange of energy and information, of knowledge as the integrated result of this process.
 
Kisito said:
And it was as well logical as " the big families " get married to preserve their fortune.

Indeed, I think that most marital laws but also inheritance law, tax law and patrimonial law are expressly designed to preserve/increase the wealth of a few elites.

Actually this legal heritage goes as far back as the late Roman Empire where ownership of the land was the main source of wealth. The land was all the more profitable that labour force was virtually free thanks to a massive inflow of slaves triggered by successive conquests (including Gauls). Landowners reached high political/bureaucratic positions (including senatorial positions) and designed laws to protect /increase their privileges. So in 2000 years no much has changed...

Kisito said:
there is a split of the public opinion on the homosexual marriage.

More than a split what I notice is an hypermediatization of a very unimportant topic. So a question we can ask ourselves is "why has the homosexual union been so mediatized lately?"

In my opinion it's an old divide-and-conquer trick mixed with diversion.

Divide and conquer because such "debates" increase divisions within the French society. Like oppositions previously stirred by the medias between public workers and private workers, active workers and retirees, blacks and whites, Muslins VS Christians and now homosexuals VS heterosexuals.

Divide and conquer because our ruling elites are well aware that an united people is a dangerous people.

It's also a form of diversion because those artificial divisions (heterosexual Vs homosexual for example) hide the one and only real societal duality : the elite VS the people, the psychopath VS the non-psychopath.

It's picking to notice that the last demonstration for the gay wedding happened during the invasion of Palestine by the IDF. Of course the medias and the politicians were talking endlessly about "the right of the homosexuals" while they were not saying one single word about the Palestinian child being assassinated on their own land.
 
Kisito said:
I would just like to ask: Is it bad to have several platonic or sexual partners, as in the friendship?
Perhaps if you can think of it in terms of external consideration - to consider the feelings of others who may initially agree to an open relationship yet secretly harbor thoughts of wanting a more exclusive partner.

In addition to that, I'm not sure I really see the value in having sex just for the sake of it with different people, if that's what you're saying.

Kisito said:
And if we obey the love because it's of divine order, why to continue to obey it when it leaves, staying with our partner?
Under what conditions does love 'leave'?

Kisito said:
And the homosexuality or the infertility would be imposed on us in causes of the excess large numbers of organic vehicles or organic portals …
I'm not sure where you got this information from. Is it possible for you to provide a link or clarify? :)
 
Kisito said:
Mouravieff in Gnosis, had defines the love as a state between two persons of opposite sex.
Laura Knight-Jadczyk explains that the soulmate exists, that we are made for the another person. In " Wave 3 or 4 " she says that she will give more explanation on this notion! Maybe she speaks about it in 5, 6 or 7 but I have no French translation. Maybe in " The secret story 2 ". I not nothing on the forum of precise answer on the soulmate.

I suggest you read this:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,686.msg27797.html#msg27797
and this thread:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,4907.msg32699.html#msg32699

and do a search on the forum of the terms "Polar Beings", "colinear"/"colinearity" and "soul mates".

I would just like to ask: Is it bad to have several platonic or sexual partners, as in the friendship? And if we obey the love because it's of divine order, why to continue to obey it when it leaves, staying with our partner?

I'm not sure I understand the full meaning of your questions, but if you read the threads linked to above, you might get a better idea. You seem to be confusing several concepts.

There is also the fact that there is a huge amount of programming in France concerning sexuality, infidelity, different partners, etc. So, you might be seeing it with a bit of distorsion. If you can get past that, you can decide what it is you want. About this programming, you can read this SOTT article (in French): http://fr.sott.net/article/8632-La-decadence-francaise

As to the whole current debate in France regarding homosexuality, I agree with Belibaste. It's just used as a divide and conquer technique, and a big distraction tool.
 
Yes Belidaste, it is true it is necessary to distrust the proverb which says: divide and rule. But the biggest division is not it the sex, the man and the woman? Who has more interest than the man and the woman unite?



Ailén said:
Kisito said:
Mouravieff in Gnosis, had defines the love as a state between two persons of opposite sex.
Laura Knight-Jadczyk explains that the soulmate exists, that we are made for the another person. In " Wave 3 or 4 " she says that she will give more explanation on this notion! Maybe she speaks about it in 5, 6 or 7 but I have no French translation. Maybe in " The secret story 2 ". I not nothing on the forum of precise answer on the soulmate.

I suggest you read this:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,686.msg27797.html#msg27797
and this thread:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,4907.msg32699.html#msg32699

and do a search on the forum of the terms "Polar Beings", "colinear"/"colinearity" and "soul mates".

Ailén said:
Kisito said:
Mouravieff in Gnosis, had defines the love as a state between two persons of opposite sex.
Laura Knight-Jadczyk explains that the soulmate exists, that we are made for the another person. In " Wave 3 or 4 " she says that she will give more explanation on this notion! Maybe she speaks about it in 5, 6 or 7 but I have no French translation. Maybe in " The secret story 2 ". I not nothing on the forum of precise answer on the soulmate.

I suggest you read this:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,686.msg27797.html#msg27797
and this thread:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,4907.msg32699.html#msg32699

and do a search on the forum of the terms "Polar Beings", "colinear"/"colinearity" and "soul mates".

I would just like to ask: Is it bad to have several platonic or sexual partners, as in the friendship? And if we obey the love because it's of divine order, why to continue to obey it when it leaves, staying with our partner?

I'm not sure I understand the full meaning of your questions, but if you read the threads linked to above, you might get a better idea. You seem to be confusing several concepts.

There is also the fact that there is a huge amount of programming in France concerning sexuality, infidelity, different partners, etc. So, you might be seeing it with a bit of distorsion. If you can get past that, you can decide what it is you want. About this programming, you can read this SOTT article (in French): http://fr.sott.net/article/8632-La-decadence-francaise
:) I say I m french but I'm not say it's my life. Yes I read your threads, it's possible, but all the time it's change. This week in it goes magazine "Madame Figaro", it praised the American best-seller in propose some French education: Thus let us stop criticizing our offspring, calling to the public-spiritedness, regretting the good old codes of politeness … Since the exit(release) of the best-seller of an American in Paris, we cannot stop praising, across the Atlantic, our model children. She(it) is beautiful, the youth!

Appeared to the last spring besides the Atlantic Ocean, French Children Don't Throw Food (The French children do not throw their food), the book of the American journalist Pamela Druckerman praising the French exception in the field of the education of the children caused an immense craze. For a long time present in the Top 10 of the New York Times and translated into eighteen languages, it arrives at us under the title Baby made in France to Flammarion, in bookshop on January 9th.

truth seeker said:
Kisito said:
I would just like to ask: Is it bad to have several platonic or sexual partners, as in the friendship?
Perhaps if you can think of it in terms of external consideration - to consider the feelings of others who may initially agree to an open relationship yet secretly harbor thoughts of wanting a more exclusive partner.

In addition to that, I'm not sure I really see the value in having sex just for the sake of it with different people, if that's what you're saying.

Kisito said:
And if we obey the love because it's of divine order, why to continue to obey it when it leaves, staying with our partner?
Under what conditions does love 'leave'?

Kisito said:
And the homosexuality or the infertility would be imposed on us in causes of the excess large numbers of organic vehicles or organic portals …
I'm not sure where you got this information from. Is it possible for you to provide a link or clarify? :)


Q: (L) Of all the modes of sexual expression, which one is
more likely to advance one to 4th density more rapidly?
A: Total celibacy.]



So according to the transcriptions of Cs, It is possible to interpret he it would "be better" to have two relation sexual a month with two different partners, that to have relations twice by weeks with him (her) with the same partner? Is not it the first solution which is on the way of STO?
Predator of sexual energy it is STS, I understand...

Why the affairs cannot be traced on the model of the friendly relations?

When we are not more in love, why to stay?


As for the population, I am not sure of sources, but it seems to me that it was in the "Wave", where the STS checked(controlled) our number of population, by obliging us by the religion to engender and when the population becomes too much raised, they activate the homosexuals and the diseases...
irjO said:
Well i think you must clarify what 'love' Really is.. And it is not the emotions you feel for others like (sexual, possesion, or wanting to live with that person for example) which is the common thing that people think it is.. Second, as i understand most of us reincarnate in different lives with the same soul group to keep the lessons with the interaction with that group, so the soulmate thing could be very well truh.. And homosexuality does not matter cuz is just a karma/genetic thing and you can see it trought all the nature.. And what matters is the soul! So yeah.. Marriage is just a 'legal formalism' of the union with somebody
I think that it is difficult to clarify the love in some sentences, Platon speaks about a divine feeling Independent of our our intellect and our will. And if we should define the love with single one definitions, we would be obliged to exclude the sex. Because an adult loves as much his partner as his child. Thus the sex has to be the other thing than the love...
 
Hi Kisito,

Perhaps there's something lost in translation, but as was said, I think you're confusing some of the concepts you've read. In addition, you may be selectively substituting information you like as opposed to viewing what you've read with a bit more objectivity. Thus, I find it difficult to understand some of what you're attempting to say and in other cases some of what you're saying comes across as a bit offensive which I don't currently think you mean to be.
 
Kisito, it's about SOULS, not about bodies or genders. A bird doesn't fly because it has wings, it has wings because it flies. What do you do if you are a "confirmed heterosexual" and you discover your soul-mate is born in the body of your same sex? Or vice versa? What if you are a "confirmed homosexual" and discover your soulmate in the opposite sex? Do you have so little mastery of your body that you cannot accommodate the condition?

Further, since it is almost unheard of on this planet for ANYONE to have a true love relationship based on knowledge, how can you even begin to speculate about having two or three "loves", platonic or otherwise?
 
Thank you very much of your answers, I am going to try to think better about your comments and suggestions and to be better in my interpretations and translations.
 
Kisito said:
:) I say I m french but I'm not say it's my life. Yes I read your threads, it's possible, but all the time it's change. This week in it goes magazine "Madame Figaro", it praised the American best-seller in propose some French education: Thus let us stop criticizing our offspring, calling to the public-spiritedness, regretting the good old codes of politeness … Since the exit(release) of the best-seller of an American in Paris, we cannot stop praising, across the Atlantic, our model children. She(it) is beautiful, the youth!

Appeared to the last spring besides the Atlantic Ocean, French Children Don't Throw Food (The French children do not throw their food), the book of the American journalist Pamela Druckerman praising the French exception in the field of the education of the children caused an immense craze. For a long time present in the Top 10 of the New York Times and translated into eighteen languages, it arrives at us under the title Baby made in France to Flammarion, in bookshop on January 9th.

I have no idea of what you were trying to say here... It got lost in translation, perhaps. :huh:

Kisito said:
Q: (L) Of all the modes of sexual expression, which one is
more likely to advance one to 4th density more rapidly?
A: Total celibacy.

So according to the transcriptions of Cs, It is possible to interpret he it would "be better" to have two relation sexual a month with two different partners, that to have relations twice by weeks with him (her) with the same partner? Is not it the first solution which is on the way of STO?
Predator of sexual energy it is STS, I understand...

I have no idea of how you can even speculate in that way. Total celibacy means refraining from sex altogether. It's "célibat" in the original sense of the word, not "célibataire" (single), which can also apply to people who are not in a permanent relationship but have sexual relations with casual partners. How did you read it as it being preferable to have several sexual partners?

And yes, of course, if there is no love or colinearity, in many cases the best would be to separate, but in that case, the most likely thing is that it wasn't Love to begin with, but rather sexual atraction, false personalities attracted to each other, etc. So, again, I think you have some concepts mixed up. True Love is almost impossible in this world.

Now, if you are trying to find a theory to justify having several sexual partners, then I'd say you are on the right track. ;) And that is what I meant by programming in France. But if you aren't, then I suggest you read those threads again.
 
Laura said:
Kisito, it's about SOULS, not about bodies or genders. A bird doesn't fly because it has wings, it has wings because it flies. What do you do if you are a "confirmed heterosexual" and you discover your soul-mate is born in the body of your same sex? Or vice versa? What if you are a "confirmed homosexual" and discover your soulmate in the opposite sex? Do you have so little mastery of your body that you cannot accommodate the condition?

What you wrote here, Laura, came just in the right time for me. Lately I was thinking a lot about this. I thought I was heterosexual, but I'm not sure anymore. I don't care about gender and age anymore, I care only about soul and mind now, because that is what matters most, body is only a vehicle. I cannot imagine myself being in a relationship with someone who is not on the same path, who is not walking in the same direction. I would rather be alone.
 
Kisito said:
Q: (L) Of all the modes of sexual expression, which one is
more likely to advance one to 4th density more rapidly?
A: Total celibacy.]

So according to the transcriptions of Cs, It is possible to interpret he it would "be better" to have two relation sexual a month with two different partners, that to have relations twice by weeks with him (her) with the same partner?

I understand your argument. Two sexual relations a month is closer of celibacy than eight sexual relations a month. But... you can see how you manipulate the question to get the answer you want?

To clarify your doubts, your question should have been more fair:

it would "be better" to have two relation sexual a month with two different partners, that to have relations twice A MONTH with the same partner?

This question seems me more interesting. What would be the response to this? What do you think?

According to the transcriptions of Cs, in my opinion, what would be best is have zero sexual relations a year... In other words, overcoming sex.


As for the population, I am not sure of sources, but it seems to me that it was in the "Wave", where the STS checked(controlled) our number of population, by obliging us by the religion to engender and when the population becomes too much raised, they activate the homosexuals and the diseases...

No, it wasn't in “The Wave”.

There is much information on the Internet that talks about the interest of Secret Government in homosexualize the population to control its growth. I don't know how far this idea is true, but I don't see any practical interest to find out it. Or so I think.

Since all there is is lessons, what homosexuals have to ask themselves is what kind of lessons they have come to learn in this world by being homosexuals.

The reason for the existence of the homosexuality is the same reason that there is for other aspects of existence... LEARN. ;)
 

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