Real Direct 4D STO Contact?

MJF

Jedi Council Member
I was going to add the following but my system crashed before I could. Back in 1960 NASA commissioned the Brookings Institute to do an analysis on the implications of peaceful space activities for human affairs, which when published became known as 'The Brookings Report'. One issue Brookings considered was what would be the effect on the population should NASA reveal news of the discovery of alien artifacts within our solar system. The view eventually taken by the Brookings Report was that such an announcement could lead to world wide chaos, which could seriously damage the world's economy. They were especially concerned for the impact on religious believers. Hence, they took the view that the public needed to be prepared by introducing science fiction related themes, aliens etc. into the social consciousness (mainly by way of movies and TV) to give people some foundation or point of reference when and if such discoveries were made. Please be aware that the science fiction films of the 1950's were mainly B Movies and considered pop corn fodder with a few notable exceptions such as 'The Day the World Stood Still' and 'Forbidden Planet'.

Hence, Gene Roddenberry, may have been one of those producers used to sew the seed for the possibility of advanced alien life existing beyond our planet. You should know that he had a hard time selling Star Trek to the studios, so toxic was science fiction to TV chiefs at the time, and ended up pitching it as 'Wagon Train' in space (Wagon train being a popular cowboy TV series of the late 1950's early 1960's). Star Trek would, of course, be followed by Star Wars, Star Gate etc. and now science fiction is established as a popular genre on TV and in the movies but this certainly wasn't so before the 1960's. You could say mission accomplished because it is doubtful if people today would be so shocked by the revelation of advanced alien life in our galaxy as they would have been prior to the 1960's. Just think of the impact Orson Welles 'War of the Worlds' radio broadcast had on the 1930's American public to get some sense of the panic that might have ensued. Indeed, was Welles broadcast a planned psyop to guage the public reaction? Some ufologists think so. Perhaps the Canadian TV producer, Sydney Newman, did a similar job in the UK with the long running BBC TV series 'Doctor Who'. Food for thought.
 

Revolucionar

Jedi Master
I read some of the stuff on their page and my BS meter went haywire. I trust my BS meter. It’s just a more modern variety of the ‘Our Space Brothers will save us all’. It’s more nuanced than that, but that’s the bottom line, IMHO.
Space fighter pilot? That one really sent me rolling on the floor.
 

Ina

Dagobah Resident
I was going to add the following but my system crashed before I could. Back in 1960 NASA commissioned the Brookings Institute to do an analysis on the implications of peaceful space activities for human affairs, which when published became known as 'The Brookings Report'. One issue Brookings considered was what would be the effect on the population should NASA reveal news of the discovery of alien artifacts within our solar system. The view eventually taken by the Brookings Report was that such an announcement could lead to world wide chaos, which could seriously damage the world's economy. They were especially concerned for the impact on religious believers. Hence, they took the view that the public needed to be prepared by introducing science fiction related themes, aliens etc. into the social consciousness (mainly by way of movies and TV) to give people some foundation or point of reference when and if such discoveries were made. Please be aware that the science fiction films of the 1950's were mainly B Movies and considered pop corn fodder with a few notable exceptions such as 'The Day the World Stood Still' and 'Forbidden Planet'.

Hence, Gene Roddenberry, may have been one of those producers used to sew the seed for the possibility of advanced alien life existing beyond our planet. You should know that he had a hard time selling Star Trek to the studios, so toxic was science fiction to TV chiefs at the time, and ended up pitching it as 'Wagon Train' in space (Wagon train being a popular cowboy TV series of the late 1950's early 1960's). Star Trek would, of course, be followed by Star Wars, Star Gate etc. and now science fiction is established as a popular genre on TV and in the movies but this certainly wasn't so before the 1960's. You could say mission accomplished because it is doubtful if people today would be so shocked by the revelation of advanced alien life in our galaxy as they would have been prior to the 1960's. Just think of the impact Orson Welles 'War of the Worlds' radio broadcast had on the 1930's American public to get some sense of the panic that might have ensued. Indeed, was Welles broadcast a planned psyop to guage the public reaction? Some ufologists think so. Perhaps the Canadian TV producer, Sydney Newman, did a similar job in the UK with the long running BBC TV series 'Doctor Who'. Food for thought.
Right about 2011 I was watching RH videos and his Coast to Coast interviews. I cannot remember in what context he went ahead of himself mentioning that GR was a freemasonn, but being part of the ‘good guys’, but I founded gratuitous and it put an attenuation filter on his communication. Whether he was one or not, it is not important. I do not think he was or is because of his excessive verbosity. As you said before, MJF, it is important to know the background of authors and in specific for the culture starter ones. Even the Prime Directive, as a concept, it is quite close to a modus operandi of accomplishing an implicit or covert agenda without any explicit or overt means in situations where the counterpart is considered inferior, aka no warp capability. Best example of real application of Prime Directive - Star Trek Insurrection.
So, there is a primer or more (?) , put in motion by members of private covert networks that gives clear conditions and maybe even timing for first contact. Let us not forget about the ACC Childhood’s End and the botched series, where the Prime Directive was enforced only to prepare the ground for the ‘ascension’ of the ‘pure and significant’, fact that was not communicated in the Series which looks like might have had a really low budget, and I will not dwell on its missforunes any longer.
It seems that the prmer was innitiated to coincide with the Apollo missions, missions thought or wished to have had a much more glorious future than achieved to date at least for what everyone knows. For all intents and purposses, the primer had worked, to what end however, appart from an entire space nut culture, perhaps we’ll never know. My speculation is that due to the success of Voyager and DS9 there had to be a counterprimer deployed via the New Age circus, with the councils and the oppressive notions of federation and of course laced with the central theme that anyone can relate to from the credit providers of ‘Ts and Cs apply’ morphed into the versions of humanity saviors mushroomed all over the net. Not only that but one can clearly see the ‘dark’ Star Trek New Age ( literally on the Kelvin timeline) transitioning from TNG through Enterprise and ending with the Discovery megaflop of Season4. (Picard, IMHO, is a pre mortem monument to Sir Patric Stewart, and should not be considered part of Star Trek, unless a late primer could be found within it, thus converting the whole movement into an ouroboros which I’d really find it really sick.)
So...
 

axj

Dagobah Resident
I was going to ask the question on this thread when did the first reference to a Federation come into the current zeitgeist but you beat me to it.

Keep in mind that both the C's and the Law of One material confirm the existence of a Federation.

But isn't STO about striving for objetivity? If there are two positions (these guy's and the Federation's) wouldn't it be wise for them to consult 6D STO or Zindar council or whoever is "above" them to help them solve the disagreement so that all can do the best aproach together?

The source of the disagreements may be that 4D STO does not mean everyone is 100% STO. There are probably various misperceptions and STS tendencies in 4D STO people. I don't know how the 6D guidance works for large 4D STO groups or organizations - it may well be that the preservation of free will and allowing them to learn on their own by "making mistakes" is necessary for 4D groups as well.
 

Ina

Dagobah Resident
Keep in mind that both the C's and the Law of One material confirm the existence of a Federation.
Mentioning about the existence of Federation which I personally interpret, as a some kind of a federative assembly with order making capability, is a possibility. I also understand that humanity in its current format is not part of this assembly. Maybe I am wrong. Hey! Maybe we are part of this grand assembly but as we are all at the Joe Soap level we do not need to know, and just go along with the program and experience the lesson of ‘free will’. I am Orthodox. Christian orthodox. In my faith God helps he who helps himself. Personally I wish a big Be Well to the Federation. Everything is possible.
However, what if this Federation is not what we all tend to think it is?
 

WIN 52

The Living Force
Can we really picture legions of 'good guys' installing radiation belts around the planet to keep humans on Earth? (As if there's an actual chance of us infecting the rest of the galaxy in our tin can space ships pushed along with rocket fuel?)
Sci fi fantasy?
Humans standing on the moon in 1969?
We can't go back, lost the technology?
Never made it there in person?

Or is the Vanallan Belt a figment of imagination? Is it a real thing?

It's no wonder flat earth gets traction.

My thoughts are that it is a real thing, keeping humans within earth's space. Who is responsible? Who would like to keep us locked down? STS? Playing out near you!
 

Palinurus

The Living Force
According to wikipedia it seems very unlikely that the Van Allen Belts were put into place by 'aliens' of whatever denomination to confine humanity onto earth:

The term Van Allen belts refers specifically to the radiation belts surrounding Earth; however, similar radiation belts have been discovered around other planets.

Radiation belts exist around other planets and moons in the solar system that have magnetic fields powerful enough to sustain them. To date, most of these radiation belts have been poorly mapped. The Voyager Program (namely Voyager 2) only nominally confirmed the existence of similar belts around Uranus and Neptune.
 

WIN 52

The Living Force
According to wikipedia it seems very unlikely that the Van Allen Belts were put into place by 'aliens' of whatever denomination to confine humanity onto earth:
Sci fi fantasy?
Humans standing on the moon in 1969?
We can't go back, lost the technology?
Never made it there in person
I was also going to post that link. Thanks

After more thought about those questions. It occurred to me that something else has been put in place to answer the third question. Can't lose technology that you do not have!
 

Alejo

Ambassador
Ambassador
FOTCM Member
The source of the disagreements may be that 4D STO does not mean everyone is 100% STO. There are probably various misperceptions and STS tendencies in 4D STO people. I don't know how the 6D guidance works for large 4D STO groups or organizations - it may well be that the preservation of free will and allowing them to learn on their own by "making mistakes" is necessary for 4D groups as well.
Well, here's where I think you're beginning to "twists facts in order to suit a theory", and so we're moving in the wrong direction.

Which leads me to the question, do you want them to be a 4D STO group of helpers? and if so, why?
 

XPan

The Living Force
That was an amazing reminder, @Alejo

Alone that sentence "twists facts in order to suit a theory?".

I mean even in any case, when one tries to understand, scrutinize, assemble, order, figure out “facts from fiction” and everything in between... one of the most difficult tasks is, that space deep within - to learn to discern what you said can/could or even does "twists facts in order to suit a theory"

Because it can occur even to the most skilled one. The energy attached to that, can come in the most silent, subtle way, barely noticeable, altering the outcome.

I have encountered this many times myself, to various degree - and thought about it - endless times. My thinking is - that the sentence must be considered at all times - the possibility that something color ones mind, to favor certain theories, out outcomes, results.

But I mean it more in the sense of exercising discernment, by simply following up “the path of ones emotions and thoughts” where they go, what they favor, and why.

Not as a primary goal to judge, avoid or change it - but instead to only to observe it - in order to identify it.

Because change comes from deep, inner observation - if one truly walks the path of loving truth !!

In my personal pursuit, i sometime felt that if i focussed on trying to avoid making errors or doom it negatively - it would paradoxically enlarge the effect of not discerning. (Awakening the ego ?)

But if i only observed or just asked “could it be possible that i favor a theory over facts” ? By asking my thoughts/emotions, listening to where they truly go, and being deeply honest and neutral about the inner response - it was easier to discover, to admit to myself “yes, there is something to it... I seem to put effort into defending a theory because it just feels good/most plausible/preferable”

As I often write about other themes here in the Cassiopaean Forum - I do have noticed within myself - in a quiet way - that there is a power in the background, making me sometimes wanting to favor certain aspects in the arguments I put forth.

It is not an easy task. You know, what we hold dear, we tend to protect/excuse.

The task is to dare, to go beyond oneself! And to do it.

Does this make any sense ?
 
I felt physically ill as soon as I read the first post but I reluctantly looked at their website... again, felt ill when I looked at a couple of links (just in case I was being a judgemental jerk). My head was already hurting but it just started pounding.

No offence, but IMHO it feels to me like more of the same horrible garbage I’ve heard many times in the past.

Often I notice these ‘enlightened folk’ do seem to have some truth mixed into their ‘download’ which I suspect is what is part of the ‘resonance’ some souls experience when ‘receiving’ and this allows them to become confused (I’ve experienced it myself). This can be hard to decipher if you are new to this stuff or see ‘validation’ when comparing it to information you feel or know you can trust. Especially if you have been researching a multitude of subjects trying to verify stuff yourself.

Why the need to be so ‘spacey’ and ‘galactic’ and glossy? That’s all just flimflammery to me. Looks/feels like it’s designed to pull in a younger, lost and very confused generation, or the desperately wounded... admittedly I didn’t look at everything on their site, sorry there is a limit to what my stomach can take.

I completely concur with “Revolucionar” my bull-dust detector went into hyperspace over that one. Can I get those nice galactic sparkles all over my face or does that just happen if you are a good looking ‘space fighter pilot’ who looks more like one of the cast off the TV series ‘humans’?

I’ve heard vampires sparkle sometimes too, hey. 🤔
 

axj

Dagobah Resident
Well, here's where I think you're beginning to "twists facts in order to suit a theory", and so we're moving in the wrong direction.

Why don't you explain where you think I am "twisting the facts"?
 

Alejo

Ambassador
Ambassador
FOTCM Member
The source of the disagreements may be that 4D STO does not mean everyone is 100% STO. There are probably various misperceptions and STS tendencies in 4D STO people. I don't know how the 6D guidance works for large 4D STO groups or organizations - it may well be that the preservation of free will and allowing them to learn on their own by "making mistakes" is necessary for 4D groups as well
So, someone points out that the theory that these are 4D STO beings needs to be revised because the fact that they are coming down here admittedly because of their own disagreement, which is self serving, is responded with “well maybe not because maybe being self serving beings doesn’t make them not STO”.

Which sounds to me like you would like them to be who they claim to be, and my question was why?
 

MJF

Jedi Council Member
I am not sure what you are asking? Are you asking if this human crew making the purported contact is the possible 4th density STO contact or are you asking about the extraterrestrials they are contacting might possibly be the possible 4th density STO contact?

Either way it does not seem to me to be in accord with the information of the C's transcripts.

The transcripts info on this seems to have started around 25-26 years ago.



The answer - 'A: Find a "Nordic." They are on Earth posing as humans.', seems to indicate a living human on earth with perhaps some Nordic heritage.

The '10 June 1995' session delves further into what this 4th density STO individual's nature/profile may be like.


The '10 June 1995' session then goes into the nature/profile of 4th density STO being in 3rd density. Which leads to the idea of Walk-ins via incarnation or a 4th density STO soul entering a 3rd density body that a 3rd density being has vacated. Which once again at least for me indicates a living human on the earth that has a 4th density STO soul. I think it ends up that the person could look like just about anyone and probably has experienced physical, emotional, psychological trauma like most everyone else.

So if the contact is a living human on earth with a 4th density STO soul I am surmising you are asking about the human crew making the contact with the extraterrestrials. But then who are the extraterrestrials these people are talking to ( 4th density STO is off the hook, except for natural incarnation and walk-ins in 3rd density earth )?

Regardless of this I went to the SWARUU website. I couldn't get past the first page. Why is the most advanced other realm extraterrestrial, Yazhi Swaruu, a fighter pilot? Who is she fighting as a fighter pilot? And she is also an 'expert in time manipulations'. Why would any 4th density STO soul be manipulating time or even focus on methodologies of manipulating time to become an expert in it. It just all sounds very STS to me. Then again what is this site's definition of what time even is? A recent C's transcript indicated that space-time is really space-consciousness.

It is probably just me, but I don't think any of this has to do with the 4th density STO Individual help.

If the individual with the 4th density STO soul does or has already come along with some form of help, I don't think the C's would tell us who that individual is. I think there are probably dozens of clues in the transcripts for validation of that eventuality and the event will probably be gobsmacking. I think Ark, Laura, and crew will know it and be able to validate it. What I am sure will not happen is the C's or the core crew telling who the individual is or what the help is. Can you imagine what would happen to the 4th density STO individual if it was just broadcast who they were? To me that would be ludicrous and an affront to the individual's privacy big time and might even endanger them and the group and everything. Strategic Enclosure to the MAX!!! There may come a time when it is appropriate for all to know, but only Ark and Laura I think will know that time.

With that in mind, whether some part of this Galactic Federation contact or Gosia and the like are the 4th Density STO help, I don't think the C's or anyone in the group would ever say.

That is my take on it anyway and I also realize as a good possibility my take on this may be utterly wrong and narrow minded.
You mentioned the 1995 sessions in which the topic of 4th Density Nordics first came up. I looked back on the session transcripts and found this, which is what I think you were referring to:

March 4, 1995

A: 4th level STO!

Q: (L) Is that the title of the topic?

A: You have only thought of 4th level STS.

Q: (L) Ahhh! What Susan was talking about, we need to ask about the good guys.

A: They are the only ones who can help you defend yourselves against 4th level attack!!!! We give you information which is invaluable in nature, but remember we are 6th level STO, Beings of light, and on this density level there simply is no interference with free will no matter how detrimental to you!!!

Q: (T) 4th density STO beings can actually help in a meaningful way! We knew there was both sides, but we never asked. We have been concentrating on the Lizards. (S) Yeah! There are 16 groups on both sides, and noboby has ever asked... (J) And by concentrating on the Lizards, we have been feeding their f______energy. (F) Their damn energy. (J) Their damn energy. (T) That DARN energy! Who are these 4th density STO beings that we need to contact? Obviously we need to talk to them because they can talk to us. Sixth density "Us" can't.

A: Orion Federation.

Q: (L) And who are the members of the Orion Federation?

A: Not yet.

A: We are providing invaluable information which becomes knowledge, but you are under attack, therefore, you could maybe use some direct power from the same density as the attack is coming from.

Q: (F) But, until you have total knowledge... (L) You don't have the kind of power we are talking about needing. (F) Right. We would need 500,000 pages of transcript to have that kind of knowledge, to get to that point. (L) Okay, what is the phone number of the Orion Federation? (S) Laura! (T) That's what I was going to ask. {Laughter.} (L) How do we get a hold of them?

A: Off the hook!

Q: (T) Uh oh! (L) They're busy? (T) Getting a lot of calls. (L) Okay, guys, what do we need to do here?

A: Find a "Nordic." They are on Earth posing as humans.

Q: (T) They are 4th density. I thought they...

A: Yes.

Q: (T) So, we need to find a Nordic, do we know one?

A: Have seen them at meetings and such.

Q: (L) What kind of meetings. (J) MUFON meetings?

A: MUFON.

So the C's indicated that Laura had already encountered them without knowing at a MUFON meeting. Again we see a reference to the Federation but now they specifically refer to it as the ''Orion Federation". It is interesting that the C 's would not go into further detail about the Orion Federation at that time. Have they ever done so since?

I appreciate your hypothesis about 4th Density STO beings possibly being walk-in's or 4th Density souls reincarnating in 3rd Density bodies but I still lean towards them being 4th Density beings living among us at 3rd Density, since they can do so without concerns for the frequency level unlike 4th Density STS beings.

Years ago I used to read the UFO books of Timothy Good. His books were full of accounts of contactees, abductees and UFO encounters of all kinds both STO and STS. I don't know if his work has been discussed before on the Forum. I did a quick check and could not turn anything up. However, he seemed to be aware of 4th Density Nordics and recounted a couple of tales involving them. I am quoting from memory here since I do not have the books with me at the moment.

The first was his own direct contact. He thought the best way to meet with them was to send out a message through his mind. Soon after doing so he claimed that he had an encounter with an attractive blond woman in what I think was a hotel lobby. She came and sat down next to him and without saying anything let him know telepathicly that his request had been heard and was now being answered. This may, of course, have just been wishful thinking on his part but the C's did say that 4th Density does normally communicate telepathicly.

The second example concerned a man who had been in a military hospital where one night a young GI was brought in with very serious injuries that would almost certainly leave him scarred on his face for life. The young man was screaming and shouting all over the place and clearly in a deeply distressed state and in great pain. It ws then that he noticed a young tall blonde male medical orderly taking the young GI away for treatment and calming the injured soldier by his soothing and reassuring words and manner. This, of course, would not be extraordinary in itself as medical staff are trained to do this. However, what was extraordinary was the fact that the next day the narrator of the story found the young soldier resting in bed asleep but with no signs of the serious scarring that would have been expected for injuries of the nature he had sustained. From my recollection, he subsequently followed the orderly when he had finished his shift. The orderly seemed to know he was being followed but rather than confront the narrator he just turned and smiled at him. As far as I recall there was no verbal exchange between them. If this was a 4th Density Nordic, it shows that they may live among us performing quite ordinary functions but also seeking to help the human race wherever they can.

The last example is not from Timothy Good but something I read in a UFO article some years ago, which has stuck with me since. Unfortunately, I can't recall the source. It involved a US scientist or technician working at a top secret nuclear facility on a project alongside some humanoid aliens. It was not Area 51 but either Los Alamos or the Sandia Research Laboratory. He maintained a good working relationship with the aliens but one day he decided to ask one of them what they really thought of we humans. The alien thought for a while and then said: "you stink". When he reflected on what the alien had said, he thought that the alien had not meant that you stink as in smell bad but that he had meant you spiritually stink. If the aliens were 4th Density STO, then I guess we as 3rd Density STS beings would spiritually smell to them given our self serving egos. If I can track the story down, I will post the link.
 

axj

Dagobah Resident
So, someone points out that the theory that these are 4D STO beings needs to be revised because the fact that they are coming down here admittedly because of their own disagreement, which is self serving, is responded with “well maybe not because maybe being self serving beings doesn’t make them not STO”.

Which sounds to me like you would like them to be who they claim to be, and my question was why?

I am trying to get to the truth, whatever it may be. Knee-jerk rejection seems just as counterproductive as wanting to believe.

It seems that a common misconception is that 4D STO must be 100% STO like 6D beings. I already explained my reasoning why that is likely not the case:

We graduate when we are 51% STO, according to the C's. Which means that even after 4D STO graduation, we would still be 49% STS. As I said, 4D seems to be more of a mix where people who are primarily STO may still have minor STS aspects or tendencies as well.

The same would apply to a large organization of 4D STO people. It would probably also have some minor STS aspects or tendencies in it.

Did the C's say that people become 100% STO after a 4D STO graduation, despite having been maybe only 51% STO and 49% STS during the graduation?

Do you disagree with this?

Furthermore, the content of the C's transcripts are not facts - even the C's themselves confirmed that parts of it may be inaccurate due to the people present, their beliefs, etc. We also have specific predictions such as the Nephilim ships supposedly being sent here as enforcers, which apparently cannot be taken at face value and need to be interpreted as psychopaths on Earth being the enforcers.

When you are talking about "twisting the facts", the truth is that we have hardly any actual facts about 4D - only what was said in the transcripts. A lot of other things from the transcripts have been verified through research, but topics such as 4D are much more difficult to research and verify.

The transcript MJF posted above shows that the C's held back talking more about the Orion Federation for some reason, but have also said that 4D STO are the only ones who can help us defend against a 4D STS attack:

March 4, 1995

A: 4th level STO!

Q: (L) Is that the title of the topic?

A: You have only thought of 4th level STS.

Q: (L) Ahhh! What Susan was talking about, we need to ask about the good guys.

A: They are the only ones who can help you defend yourselves against 4th level attack!!!! We give you information which is invaluable in nature, but remember we are 6th level STO, Beings of light, and on this density level there simply is no interference with free will no matter how detrimental to you!!!

Q: (T) 4th density STO beings can actually help in a meaningful way! We knew there was both sides, but we never asked. We have been concentrating on the Lizards. (S) Yeah! There are 16 groups on both sides, and noboby has ever asked... (J) And by concentrating on the Lizards, we have been feeding their f______energy. (F) Their damn energy. (J) Their damn energy. (T) That DARN energy! Who are these 4th density STO beings that we need to contact? Obviously we need to talk to them because they can talk to us. Sixth density "Us" can't.

A: Orion Federation.

Q: (L) And who are the members of the Orion Federation?

A: Not yet.

I am actually more skeptical now about this "Swaruu" than when I first started the thread and right now I think it is more likely that it is an STS disinformation source. For one thing, STO and STS do not appear as topics at all in their talks - only indirectly when they say that we need to see all as one, the necessity to not be attached to anything physical and what a society like that looks like.

Then there are what appear to be possible smear attempts regarding the Federation, such as the claim that they are responsible for the destruction of the planet in our solar system (they call it Tiamat) or the claim that they ultimately have full control over Earth and even guide the cabal in certain directions. Which this starship crew claims to have "only just found out" last year.

So overall, several things point towards this being disinformation - but there is also the possibility that all of these claims may be true.
 
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