Real Direct 4D STO Contact?

Alejo

Ambassador
Ambassador
FOTCM Member
I am actually more skeptical now about this "Swaruu" than when I first started the thread and right now I think it is more likely that it is an STS disinformation source. For one thing, STO and STS do not appear as topics at all in their talks - only indirectly when they say that we need to see all as one, the necessity to not be attached to anything physical and what a society like that looks like.

Then there are what appear to be possible smear attempts regarding the Federation, such as the claim that they are responsible for the destruction of the planet in our solar system (they call it Tiamat) or the claim that they ultimately have full control over Earth and even guide the cabal in certain directions. Which this starship crew claims to have "only just found out" last year.

So overall, several things point towards this being disinformation - but there is also the possibility that all of these claims may be true.
That's where I am at with this group, they strike me as STS and I have not see any STO signs in their communication or their stated purpose.

I apologize if it feels as though my reaction is a knee jerk, by default, skeptical. It's not, it's what I honestly think about their material and what I can gleam based on what I have seen.

As far as the truth in their claims, there might be some truth in there, that's the best way to disinform, wrap your lie in several layers of truth. And the reason I do not wish to entertain them is because even if some of these claims happen to be true, their orientation of self serving, can ultimately lead to manipulation from higher densities.

So, even if there's some entertaining details about the structure of a galactic federation that stimulate the imagination, that is all that they offer, and if that's the case, I'd rather read fiction, personally.
 

Stern

Jedi
That's where I am at with this group, they strike me as STS and I have not see any STO signs in their communication or their stated purpose.

I apologize if it feels as though my reaction is a knee jerk, by default, skeptical. It's not, it's what I honestly think about their material and what I can gleam based on what I have seen.

As far as the truth in their claims, there might be some truth in there, that's the best way to disinform, wrap your lie in several layers of truth. And the reason I do not wish to entertain them is because even if some of these claims happen to be true, their orientation of self serving, can ultimately lead to manipulation from higher densities.

So, even if there's some entertaining details about the structure of a galactic federation that stimulate the imagination, that is all that they offer, and if that's the case, I'd rather read fiction, personally.
I understand your arguments and thinking. And of course, everything could be, rigth.
 

MJF

Jedi Council Member
Yes, it is true. I am glad that some group received information from 4th density STO.
Kay Kim thanks for adding the quote about the Allies of Humanity in the transcripts. I read those books some time ago. My recollection may be hazy but I seem to recall that they spoke of pulling back from our solar system, which didn't sound too encouraging for our prospects at the time. Have I got the wrong end of the stick?
 

MJF

Jedi Council Member
Sci fi fantasy?
Humans standing on the moon in 1969?
We can't go back, lost the technology?
Never made it there in person?

Or is the Vanallan Belt a figment of imagination? Is it a real thing?

It's no wonder flat earth gets traction.

My thoughts are that it is a real thing, keeping humans within earth's space. Who is responsible? Who would like to keep us locked down? STS? Playing out near you!
WIN52: Well this famous EBE encounter (which some may think could be straight out of an episode of the old TV show, The Twilight Zone) may be an answer to your question if true. Please note that the events mentioned below are just a truncated version of the story and other sources may contain a fuller account of what Janus had to say. Incidentally, Prince Philip the Queen's husband, who is now 99, is in hospital at the moment and there are real concerns about his condition.

Date: March 28, 1954

Location: London, England

There are many reasons to believe that they, UFOs, do exist. There is so much evidence from reliable witnesses. Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, London Sunday Dispatch Prince Philip, March 28, 1954.
Both Prince Phillip and his Uncle Louis Mountbatten held a keen interest in UFOs. Perhaps they knew something that has remained a royal secret for decades. Both were military men. Mountbatten had witnessed a UFO whilst serving in the Royal Navy and this inspired his lifelong interest.
Once the embers of World War II had finally died down across Europe, and the Cold War began to chill, both men were indirectly involved in very strange alien encounters. Back in the 1950s Prince Philip was keen to meet the famous contactee, George Adamski, who claimed he had been taken on a tour of the solar system by aliens from Venus. The meeting was never arranged of course and Prince Philip was denied his chance to discuss space travel with the Polish American. Unless a clandestine liaison was arranged that never entered the public record. But Prince Philip’s interest in the UFO subject remained. Nick Pope the former Civil Servant in charge of the UFO desk for the MoD has confirmed that the Duke of Edinburgh kept a map at Buckingham Palace with the locations of UFO sightings on his wall. The Duke even asked the British Air Ministry to send him a copy of their UFO reports. He also encouraged his equerry, Senior Attendant, Sir Peter Horsley, to discreetly study UFO cases and to bring UFO witnesses to the Palace for private discussions. This is where things get seriously weird.

Sir Peter Horsley was a former World War II pilot and squadron leader. He entered the service of the Royals in July 1949 before returning to the RAF in 1956 where he rose through the ranks. His final role in the RAF was as Deputy Commander in Chief RAF Strike Command in 1973 before he retired. In 1954 Horsley was invited, by a British Army General Martin, to meet an extraterrestrial being in a flat in London. The property belonged to a Mrs Markham at the time. Sir Peter was taken to a dimly lit room where he encountered one very mysterious Mr Janus. Horsley recalls very little about any features of Mr Janus in his autobiography 'Sounds from Another Room'. What is strange is that I have no lasting impression of him. He seemed to fit perfectly in his surroundings. If I have any impression it was his quiet voice which had a rich quality to it. He looked about 45 to 50 years old and was wearing a suit and a tie. He was quite normal in every way except that he seemed to be tuning into my mind and gradually took over the conversation. …by the end of the meeting I was quite disturbed really.

The conversation started with Janus asking Horsley about everything he knew about flying saucers. Janus explained that man was going through a Dark Age. Humanity was using technology like a child with new toys giving scant regard to his surroundings, nature and his fellow humans. He explained that in 20 or 30 years (remember this was 1954) that rockets and satellites would become commonplace and miniaturization of our technology and advances in communication would grow rapidly. Janus spoke at length about the subject of interstellar travel, the existence of God, contact with ETs, and the destruction of Earth. However he stressed that Earth was in a backwater of the galaxy, inhabited by half civilized beings who posed a danger to their neighbours. Earth was visited from time to time but mainly by robot controlled probes. Occasional physical interference was necessary but that a general rule of space exploration applied throughout the galaxy. At the end of a long conversation Sir Peter asked Janus what his specific interest was. To which Janus replied: You do not interfere with the natural development and order of life in the universe. Horsley made a full verbatim report of his meeting. He was disturbed by the fact that Janus could seemingly read his mind and had a significant knowledge of nuclear installations in Britain. Michael Parker, Prince Philip’s private secretary, treated the whole affair as a joke but commented that the Duke of Edinburgh had actually kept an open mind to the whole affair.


Horsley felt throughout his encounter and even until his death that Mr. Janus was not of this Earth. In his autobiography he wrote “What was Janus? Was he part of an elaborate hoax or plot, was he a teacher, an imaginative prophet of the future or what he had insinuated – an observer?”

When Horsley published his memoirs in 1997, a senior official at the Ministry of Defence commented: How unfortunate that the public will learn that the man who had his finger on the button of Strike Command was seeing little green men.


N.B. Please note that I have added the bits coloured in blue to the above narrative from another source in order to flesh out the account which Horsley gave, as the full scope of the conversation with Janus was far more extensive than that presented above. If anyone has the full account of the conversation, please feel free to post it.

 

Kay Kim

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Hello MJF,
I also have read that book some years ago, but I don’t remember anything nowadays.
But because Cs said that their messages are from the 4th STO predominates,
I just wanted to post for let axj know that some group already have connection with 4th STO.
 

Ina

Dagobah Resident
Hello MJF,
I also have read that book some years ago, but I don’t remember anything nowadays.
But because Cs said that their messages are from the 4th STO predominates,
I just wanted to post for let axj know that some group already have connection with 4th STO.
There are four books in fact. The one I read, the second volume to me it seemed much like a brochure on 300 pages. Maybe it is just me.
 
I am trying to get to the truth, whatever it may be. Knee-jerk rejection seems just as counterproductive as wanting to believe.
Hey ajx 💛 am I correct that we are simply discussing something you have raised and put it out there so you could receive feedback from the group? I apologise if I have offended you in any way, I can feel some disgruntled energy there.

Respectfully, not everyone is going to view this material the way you do and not everyone needs to investigate it deeply to have an ‘informed’ view. We all receive guidance and information in different ways. We also all have wounds and blind spots and filters around different subjects. From my experience, a knee jerk reaction can be one of the best safety mechanisms that your higher self can offer. Your higher self is highly protective for a reason. Let’s remember you are a being of light and consciousness and a lot of energy has been invested in getting you this far. You wouldn’t be here paying attention, listening and learning otherwise.

If you personally share something you are exploring and seek others perspectives, and I see the post, I am going to offer you my most honest intuitive response because I care about you... and I care about the group.

Please know if anything I share below is a ‘projection’ and inaccurate I apologise deeply. I am still learning.

No matter what others say, happily at all times we have that awesome pathway of free will to explore things we consciously or subconsciously know may harm us, because “all there is, is lessons” but in this instance personally I am not willing to explore this group at all, because of the instant physical illness and discomfort transmitted to me energetically via your message, before I even got to their webpage. There could be many reasons for this... I certainly don’t consider myself an authority on anything and my ‘knowledge’ on a conscious level is limited but my guidance has always been pretty strong. I could be very wrong because of my own wounds, I am not saying I am right. Just offering a genuine response.

Personally I feel the energy of the beings behind this group have already got their ‘hooks’ into you energetically, for me to feel that ill just from your first message... I could feel a part of you was quite curious on multiple levels (because like many here you are asking questions and looking for genuine answers) but I felt you were also energetically uncomfortable with some things you possibly could not clearly identify. Sometimes it’s good not to be too ‘cerebral’ about these things... sometimes it’s good just to trust your gut.

I noticed that rather than reaching clarity around these issues yourself, you felt to seek validation, deeper truth, insight, feedback from the group, yet at the same time, appear to take offence at intelligent detailed observations from others who are taking a lot of time and energy to support you and offer feedback.

This is just meant to be a general discussion about the material, is it not? I felt a part of you was quite heavily invested in wanting this information to be true, otherwise you would have been a lot more relaxed about your responses to others, it’s like you feel that generally you personally are under attack.

If anyone has a less than favourable response about this group, it’s absolutely not a reflection of how we feel about you, beautiful one, it’s more a case of our own response to the energies BEHIND this group. The ones feeding this information to these nice shiny sparkly people. I suspect many here pick up on these energies on levels they are possibly not consciously aware of, hence some strong responses.

Already I note you are saying that now you THINK it is probably STS oriented and disinformation... but what do you feel, sense, intuit? I know it can be hard to tune in sometimes... but have you tried? Also, if you look back you may see that alarm bells were ringing for you some time ago, even right from the beginning. How objective were you really being? I feel to also ask you to consider how you discovered this information and what series of events or connections led you to it? perhaps there is something to learn by reflecting upon these questions.

I see you are paying attention as best you can, and asking questions and doing exactly what the C’s recommend - not simply trusting one source for your information. I fully honour and respect your efforts in this.

I have to trust my instincts / my own guidance because every time I don’t my life ends up in disaster. I’ve been exposed to a path in the past that seemed to be full of light, and very detailed, complex, specific information and teachings that had been brought through a very sincere soul, offerings that were promoted as the ‘highest for humanity’. they were all very nice people and it was all very professional and shiny and all that magical stuff but energetically it turned out to be the complete opposite. I learned many very harsh and painful lessons around exploring something that looked like genuine lightwork. I am still paying the price for this years later and fully acknowledge how utterly devastating it can be. I am only just starting to rebuild my life, with deep gratitude for being able to trust the genuine authenticity of Laura, Ark, the tribe + the C’s and the very powerful radiant frequency they hold and transmit together through the core of this group.

I felt none of this genuine radiant energy in the group you discussed. Instead I had the exact same feeling about this group as the one I was previously connected to... it came up for me instantly... not only that, I could strongly feel your own doubts and deeper parts of you questioning their validity.

Your energy came up immediately for me this morning when I woke up and I was guided that I needed to explain why my reaction was so strong. I would never intentionally be dismissive or rude, sometimes I just have a strange sense of humour (especially when I have a headache). We all need a sense of humour to get through these very challenging times but perhaps not so warped as mine.

In gentleness, with love and respect ✨🍃🌸
 

lainey

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
This is a supposed direct contact with some members of the Galactic Federation through some sort of messenger software and is not a channeling, as they like to stress.
I don't understand how they are talking to these contacts. Do they mean they are using something like email or WhatsApp? I had a look on the website but I could only find a vague explanation about contact via the Internet which raised a red flag for me.
 

Ina

Dagobah Resident
I don't understand how they are talking to these contacts. Do they mean they are using something like email or WhatsApp? I had a look on the website but I could only find a vague explanation about contact via the Internet which raised a red flag for me.
Indeed. And in what language? English?
Extra argument. In South Africa, Eastern Cape Province just recently, several villages cities and airports changed their name from English to Xhosa, one of the South African official languages.
LISTEN | How to pronounce Eastern Cape's new names - and why East London won't be joining the party ... yet | News24

A couple of examples:
old: Port Elizabeth new: Gqeberha
old: Maclean new: Nqanqarhu

That is happening on Earth.
 

lainey

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Indeed. And in what language? English?
Extra argument. In South Africa, Eastern Cape Province just recently, several villages cities and airports changed their name from English to Xhosa, one of the South African official languages.
LISTEN | How to pronounce Eastern Cape's new names - and why East London won't be joining the party ... yet | News24

A couple of examples:
old: Port Elizabeth new: Gqeberha
old: Maclean new: Nqanqarhu

That is happening on Earth.
The website said English and Spanish.
 

Kika

Padawan Learner
Haj axj,
I have questions:
1. Do you have any project / action for which you need the help of 4D STO beings?
or
2. Do you feel we are; you / we (human beings) victims, so you ask for help?
 

ScioAgapeOmnis

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
I think the proof is in the pudding. By their fruits shall you know them. The fruits of the C’s contact are this forum, all of Laura’s work, including SOTT, etc.

What information has this source provided that led to observable development of people who received and/or applied it? Can you provide evidence of this development, if any? Can you please share what works they (the source and the receiving team) produced that empower people to see the truth in a sea of lies - both external and internal?

I’d think a true STO source would result in massive undeniable growth for all who apply it. Most channeling is just a space opera - it achieves nothing, and in fact, you’d get more from watching Star Trek instead. So far I haven’t seen much substance there.
 

lainey

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
I think the proof is in the pudding. By their fruits shall you know them. The fruits of the C’s contact are this forum, all of Laura’s work, including SOTT, etc.
Agreed. That and the transparency there was about the source of the material from the get-go. The first book from this work I read was High Strangeness, and the methods were explained in detail, they made sense, and as the reader I wasn't asked to just "take my word for it".

That's what I find so off-putting about sources like this, I'm being invited to not think and just believe that this lady has STO beings slide into her DMs. It's not an idea that I can get on board with if it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.
 
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