Relocation to countries that will likely maintain personal freedom

[axj]

Since several EU countries seem to be among the first to slide into totalitarianism, I decided to leave the EU (probably this year). One of my highest priorities in looking at different countries is which ones will likely maintain a high degree of personal freedom in the coming years.

I know that what matters most is "who we are and what we see", but it still seems to be a good idea for me personally to relocate. For other people, that choice may be different due to all kinds of circumstances and factors.

Here is an overview of important factors for a few countries that I consider:

(Three stars are best. Red "x" is a potential dealbreaker.)

CBDC's refers to the planned introduction of totalitarian purely digital currencies that allow the PTB total control over what and where you can buy, how much you can spend per month, etc. The plan seems to be to combine this with a social credit system and possibly a carbon credit system as well.

For the current state of CBDC (central bank digital currency) development around the world, here is a good map overview:
https://cbdctracker.org

As you can see in my list, I have been looking mostly at Latin America.

To my surprise, most of South America does not allow unvaxxinated foreigners to even enter their countries anymore. Though Ecuador is still an exception with mandatory vaxxing for everyone, as well as Costa Rica with the mandatory vaxx for all children.

On the other hand, Mexico has dropped most covid restrictions and so did El Salvador. Though especially the latter has too much crime to be a good alternative. A pleasant surprise for me was also looking at Nicaragaua, which despite its poverty apparently has less violent crime than even more prosperous places like Panama or Uruguay. And it is among the easiest places to migrate to.

Russia seems to be a potentially worse choice than the US right now. Even though Russia ruled out mandatory vaxxing, several regions have introduced vaxx passes - which I see as a precursor and first leg of the technofascist system being implemented in many countries. Russia is also working on its own CBDC just like the US, but it is still in early stages in both places and may take years to complete.

My personal feeling is that Paraguay would be a good choice for me, despite foreigners no longer being able to enter it without a vaxx pass. That is not an insurmountable issue, though I do wonder if a place like Nicaragua or Mexico may be a better choice. Both are less secure than Paraguay, but seem far less on board the vaxx pass system. None of the three have any CBDC's in development so far.

Some questions:

Which countries would you recommend?
Which do you think will have the most personal freedom in the coming years?
Anything on my list or in my assessments you disagree with?
Any pros and cons you can share about living in Paraguay, Nicaragua or Panama?

 

[Miracle]

Anything on my list or in my assessments you disagree with?

Perhaps I'm to much of a home body and rather dislike traveling, but I wouldn't get up and leave the people and place that you know well in return for some unknown value of 'freedom' unless you are in some sort of extreme bind. I've considered and tried it before, Florida, North Carolina... and I've just always bounced back to Virginia (not where I grew up, but lived independently in for ~7years) where my life is far from paradise, but I've found 'freedom' by getting to know the people and the area.

It strikes me as unlikely that in a land where you may not know anyone, speak the language well (or at all), be well conditioned to the climate, find difficultly finding employment, and all other sort of life happenings... that you'll find much energy to spend on whatever greater degree of freedom you may find.

If you are seriously considering it, I'd certainly recommend vacationing to said location first to get a feel for it and I would certainly hope that wherever you go that you know at least one person you can seriously trust and rely on to help you until you got your new life settled.

Considering the ever increasing travel restrictions... you may find it more difficult to get back home should you change your mind in the future.

I've read other threads before on the forum asking these very same questions but I could not locate them. Perhaps someone can share? There is a lot to consider when moving to the next town let alone to another continent!!!

 

[Windmill knight]

What languages do you speak axj?

It strikes me as unlikely that in a land where you may not know anyone, speak the language well (or at all), be well conditioned to the climate, find difficultly finding employment, and all other sort of life happenings... that you'll find much energy to spend on whatever greater degree of freedom you may find.

I agree. If I were to move to a different country, I'd choose one where I could speak the language and I had relatives or close friends I could trust. Preferably one where I could actually work. Obviously, another big consideration is your family, such as spouse or children. Would they be able to integrate into their new life reasonably well?

Regarding Nicaragua, maybe it is 'safe' in terms of security, but it is very poor and it's on my list of countries that may develop a bad case of 'color revolution' any time soon. The president is an anti-US-imperialism socialist, so like Venezuela, his government is likely to be on a hit list already. In fact, there were signs of that a couple of years ago. Also, Nicaragua has a huge amount of volcanoes for such a small territory. I think it's the country with the most density of volcanoes in the world, so there's that.

If you want to escape the totalitarism of the EU, consider also that a few alt-news commentators are currently seeing the 'crumbling of the narrative' beginning to happen. Personally, I'm a bit on the fence - that is to say that I'm not sure whether the narrative will actually collapse soon, or if the PTB are just catching their breath for another round of making people miserable. Still, maybe it wouldn't hurt to hang on a little longer and see if things do ease out wherever you are living at the moment?

 

[Miracle]

I want to emigrate to Russia

I understand perfectly your desire to move. If you can, do it. Did you went to the Russian Embassy to take information about the requisites for living in Russia? What you need to move in Russia? Is it feasible? Do you know someone in Russia that can help you? A contact? Laura or the C's also...

cassiopaea.org

^Lots of great feedback to consider from the community on this one.

I'd suggest writing out the 'why' you'd like to move. From your post it would seem as though personal freedom restrictions are your only concern. Are their other reasons you'd like to move?

 

[psychegram]

If I were to move to a different country, I'd choose one where I could speak the language and I had relatives or close friends I could trust. Preferably one where I could actually work.

Career expat here. Five countries, four continents. I've lived in English speaking countries, a country where most people are fluent in English as a second language, and two countries where no one speaks English.

Language is an additional challenge but far from insurmountable. If you speak English, most places you go you'll find some people who speak a bit of it, and attaining sufficient fluency to do basic stuff usually takes about a year when you're immersed.

One consideration is that, with the exception of a few states in the US, the anglosphere is at the forefront of the barking mad ponerized system currently gripping the world. So if it's freedom you want ... well English speaking countries are bad bets.

Being able to work is absolutely essential of course. Then again if you have a job where you can work remotely, that isn't such a problem.

Honestly the whole COVID thing has really ballsed everything up. Before it started I was thinking that if things didn't work out for me career-wise, I could always go and spend a year or so knocking about in Eastern Europe or something while I figured things out, and maybe even seek employment in my field there. Bit harder now. Seems the world now offers a choice between vaxx tyranny, vaxx tyranny combined with woke tyranny, and third world poverty.

I hate this decade.

 

[Yas]

Hello axj,

I agree with the others' replies so far. Moving to another country, especially when it is so different to your own country, can be quite difficult and should be pondered carefully and with the understanding that wherever you go, you may find different difficulties (maybe a country is safer, but the quality of life is lower as compared to other places, for example), also, that things may change due to unexpected events or 'twists' (for example, you may be getting out of the place you live in because you want more freedom, and you go to a place that seems to be freer now, but, let's say the government changes and the new government imposes new totalitarian rules) (or, another example, you go to a 'freer' country but it turns out things don't go well there in terms of earth changes and such things-for example, Nicaragua mined with lots of volcanos, Paraguay is experiencing drought at the moment, etc...).

I also find that fear isn't such a great motivator for decisions in life, unless of course the circumstances in which you find yourself are so dire that you really want to make a move that will definitely take up lots of energy and resources, if you have that kind of energy and resources, too. Is your concern of totalitarianism your only reason for moving? Or do you have other reasons too? (Maybe you always wanted to live in another country, for example, or you like adventure, or whatever) I ask this because it would be interesting to also explore those things before you really make up your mind, and thinking about that could be more important than looking into the lack of restrictions in the countries you're considering.

Having said that, I am from Paraguay, but I don't live there anymore and I haven't been there during COVID times, so I wouldn't really know from my own experience how strict things are regarding sanitary guidelines, masks, vaccines, etc. Nevertheless, I still keep in touch with family and friends there and what they tell me is that, at least in the capital city, things are rather strict, with people having to wear masks everywhere, even outdoors, and with a majority of people complying with vaccination and so on. I don't think is as strict as Australia or other countries we hear about in the news, but they had some periods of lockdown and even supermarket restrictions and I hear stories from people who are being asked to be vaccinated for their jobs. I've also heard that some people are moving to Paraguay in search of more freedom, especially Germans, which I was surprised to discover because, honestly, what I hear from my relatives and friends there is that there are restrictions there and the last thing I heard was that a member of congress is working on a "health pass" project that would require it for "attendance at mass events, processing of entry into the country and other activities established by the Ministry of Public Health and Social Welfare", they said that before even presenting it to congress, there will be a lot of debate, and there are some other public officers in Paraguay against this, yet, as you can see, it isn't such a 'free' country after all and there's no way of knowing how things will turn out over there.

I guess that many people could find the country 'freer' because it's also true that in most Latin American countries you can rely on the fact that people tend to be more lenient with such rules, and therefore, it may be true that the amount of restrictions depends on the areas of the country where you move and even the areas of the city where you are. The countryside may be a lot more 'free' in that regard. BUT, being a third world country, you'll be surprised to find out just how undeveloped the countryside is, with places where there's no internet, limited or unstable power supply and very little in terms of 'services' to the community, healthcare, etc. That's true for many countries in Latin America, not all, but it is the case in Paraguay (at least it was 3 years ago when I still lived there). There are small towns and cities in the countryside which are somewhat developed, but not too many and not too developed either.

And... well, I think my post is rather long already, so I'll just say that I'm not saying that Paraguay isn't a good place to live in, it is quite calm in terms of politics and crime, that's true, but not even close to being free of crime and other dire social conditions. The point I'm trying to make is that you may find that there's no 'perfect' place in the world and that you will have to think about lots of things and do lots of research before deciding where to go, if you decide to move after all, especially if you don't know people there who can help you in the process of adapting to a completely different country.

My 2 cents.

Edit: Grammar

 

[axj]

What languages do you speak axj?

I speak English, German, Russian and some Spanish and French. Lived in about 5 countries, depending on how you count (two more if 3 months count as living there). I listed expat communities because I know that it is difficult as a foreigner to really fit in some places, so it is good to have an expat community or two as well.

Paraguay seems to have a lot of Germans and maybe also some Americans. Places like Panama have towns in the highlands that are up to 10-15% American expats. Similar places exist in Mexico I think. Not sure about Nicaragua, I hear that some freedom-minded people are setting up expat communities there.

I have been to Mexico many times, mostly in the Yucatan. Considered living there before, but didn't really like it as much as other places. And yeah, I can work from anywhere so that is certainly an advantage.

 

[psychegram]

Hello axj,

I agree with the others' replies so far. Moving to another country, especially when it is so different to your own country, can be quite difficult and should be pondered carefully and with the understanding that wherever you go, you may find different difficulties (maybe a country is safer, but the quality of life is lower as compared to other places, for example), also, that things may change due to unexpected events or 'twists' (for example, you may be getting out of the place you live in because you want more freedom, and you go to a place that seems to be freer now, but, let's say the government changes and the new government imposes new totalitarian rules) (or, another example, you go to a 'freer' country but it turns out things don't go well there in terms of earth changes and such things-for example, Nicaragua mined with lots of volcanos, Paraguay is experiencing drought at the moment, etc...).

I also find that fear isn't such a great motivator for decisions in life, unless of course the circumstances in which you find yourself are so dire that you really want to make a move that will definitely take up lots of energy and resources, if you have that kind of energy and resources, too. Is your concern of totalitarianism your only reason for moving? Or do you have other reasons too? (Maybe you always wanted to live in another country, for example, or you like adventure, or whatever) I ask this because it would be interesting to also explore those things before you really make up your mind, and thinking about that could be more important than looking into the lack of restrictions in the countries you're considering.

Having said that, I am from Paraguay, but I don't live there anymore and I haven't been there during COVID times, so I wouldn't really know from my own experience how strict things are regarding sanitary guidelines, masks, vaccines, etc. Nevertheless, I still keep in touch with family and friends there and what they tell me is that, at least in the capital city, things are rather strict, with people having to wear masks everywhere, even outdoors, and with a majority of people complying with vaccination and so on. I don't think is as strict as Australia or other countries we hear about in the news, but they had some periods of lockdown and even supermarket restrictions and I hear stories from people who are being asked to be vaccinated for their jobs. I've also heard that some people are moving to Paraguay in search of more freedom, especially Germans, which I was surprised to discover because, honestly, what I hear from my relatives and friends there is that there are restrictions there and the last thing I heard was that a member of congress is working on a "health pass" project that would require it for "attendance at mass events, processing of entry into the country and other activities established by the Ministry of Public Health and Social Welfare", they said that before even presenting it to congress, there will be a lot of debate, and there are some other public officers in Paraguay against this, yet, as you can see, it isn't such a 'free' country after all and there's no way of knowing how things will turn out over there.

I guess that many people could find the country 'freer' because it's also true that in most Latin American countries you can rely on the fact that people tend to be more lenient with such rules, and therefore, it may be true that the amount of restrictions depends on the areas of the country where you move and even the areas of the city where you are. The countryside may be a lot more 'free' in that regard. BUT, being a third world country, you'll be surprised to find out just how undeveloped the countryside is, with places where there's no internet, limited or unstable power supply and very little in terms of 'services' to the community, healthcare, etc. That's true for many countries in Latin America, not all, but it is the case in Paraguay (at least it was 3 years ago when I still lived there). There are small towns and cities in the countryside which are somewhat developed, but not too many and not too developed either.

And... well, I think my post is rather long already, so I'll just say that I'm not saying that Paraguay isn't a good place to live in, it is quite calm in terms of politics and crime, that's true, but not even close to being free of crime and other dire social conditions. The point I'm trying to make is that you may find that there's no 'perfect' place in the world and that you will have to think about lots of things and do lots of research before deciding where to go, if you decide to move after all, especially if you don't know people there who can help you in the process of adapting to a completely different country.

My 2 cents.

Edit: Grammar

My own Latin American experience was Chile, where I lived for two years in the before times, and while it's a lot not developed than most of the continent it's definitely the roughest place I've lived. If one is accustomed to everything functioning flawlessly as in Germany, Latin America is going to be ... a different experience, for sure.

That said, I absolutely adored Santiago.

A friend of mine has spent the last year bouncing around Eastern Europe and Latin America. Currently he's in Colombia and absolutely loves it. Now, he's got the freedom to do that because he has an online business and no dependents. However, from the sounds of it the vaxx tyranny isn't so bad in Colombia, and the nightlife is still enjoyable.

 

[psychegram]

I speak English, German, Russian and some Spanish and French. Lived in about 5 countries, depending on how you count (two more if 3 months count as living there). I listed expat communities because I know that it is difficult as a foreigner to really fit in some places, so it is good to have an expat community or two as well.

Paraguay seems to have a lot of Germans and maybe also some Americans. Places like Panama have towns in the highlands that are up to 10-15% American expats. Similar places exist in Mexico I think. Not sure about Nicaragua, I hear that some freedom-minded people are setting up expat communities there.

I have been to Mexico many times, mostly in the Yucatan. Considered living there before, but didn't really like it as much as other places. And yeah, I can work from anywhere so that is certainly an advantage.

Sounds like there's nothing holding you back. If you already speak some Spanish, then if you move to Latin America you'll be fine. That you can work anywhere is another huge reason why you've little to worry about.

The part about "it's not where you are but who you are and what you see that counts" can be taken in a couple ways. Could be taken to mean, stay put, but could also mean exactly the opposite, no? And frankly, Gurdjieff didn't stick around in Russia as the Bolsheviks were taking over.

But then, my perspective is that of a single male with basically zero loyalty to any particular dirt patch, on account of a lifetime spent moving and especially on account of my homeland having turned into a communist monstrosity whose very name elicits a mixture of contempt and nausea in me. So it's not surprising that I'd tell you to go for it ;)

 

[axj]

The point I'm trying to make is that you may find that there's no 'perfect' place in the world and that you will have to think about lots of things and do lots of research before deciding where to go, if you decide to move after all, especially if you don't know people there who can help you in the process of adapting to a completely different country.

Yes, there is no perfect place - it is about setting priorities and also following inner guidance or intuition for me. And the latter seems to be telling me that Paraguay is a good place for me personally. This thread is part of the research I am doing now.

Thank you for your detailed response, it helps a lot.

I guess I am somewhat of an adventurer, having lived in various countries on different continents. But right now my priority is to find some places that at the very least are not the first to succumb to totalitarianism.

One advantage of "less developed" countries is that setting up a control system based on technology (purely digital money, social credit, carbon credit, etc.) is not as easy as in the most developed countries. Though cases like Ecuador show that the insanity can arrive even in such places.

I am thinking of maybe getting residencies in at least a couple different countries - Paraguay in particular is good because of its easy immigration process and no requirement to stay there to keep the residency card. So if one country suddenly is no longer a good place to be, there is another option or two.

In the mid to long term I am indeed optimistic that this whole totalitarian takeover attempt will fail, but I think things can get pretty ugly until we get there. The PTB will probably not give up easily. And if the C's are correct, maybe only some natural catastrophe can stop them.

 

[Alejo]

I am an expat myself, though the reason's for leaving were not related to this at all,

Besides the points made by others above, and since you seem more inclined for a place in South and Central America, I just wanted to add that in terms of personal freedom, it's not as simple as certain restrictions being in place or not. And don't forget that those countries are called the US's backyard for a reason, they tend to follow the mandates of papa Washington with almost no resistance, and where there's one, there's usually a coup or something.

The other thing is that, despite the US being what it is, I have found myself with a bit more "freedom" in terms of covid where I live than in orther countries, and that is because of another factor to consider besides the measures being in place, and it's culture. A nation may be rather free, but if their culture is one of obedience, then it kind of doesn't matter.

Being from South America and thinking I knew how people would react in the region, specially how relaxed one would think they are, I was rather surprised to see how effective the measures were down there. It was really uncanny!

Just a few thoughts.

Ultimately, I am not sure if there's a place to be safe from being forced to do something you don't want to do in this planet.

 

[psychegram]

And don't forget that those countries are called the US's backyard for a reason, they tend to follow the mandates of papa Washington with almost no resistance, and where

Historically, throughout the 20th century, this has certainly been the case. But the empire is crumbling and the future may not be a simple repetition of the past.

Being from South America and thinking I knew how people would react in the region, specially how relaxed one would think they are, I was rather surprised to see how effective the measures were down there. It was really uncanny!

I've been pretty taken aback by that, too. I always had the impression that South American countries were too ungovernable, due to the propensity to riot and just, frankly, general corruption and incompetence, for this to be pulled off ... and yet! The programming really is complete.

Ultimately, I am not sure if there's a place to be safe from being forced to do something you don't want to do in this planet.

This planet sucks. I want to reincarnate somewhere else next time.

 

[axj]

The part about "it's not where you are but who you are and what you see that counts" can be taken in a couple ways. Could be taken to mean, stay put, but could also mean exactly the opposite, no? And frankly, Gurdjieff didn't stick around in Russia as the Bolsheviks were taking over.

Yeah, I am thinking that "it depends on what you see" can also mean seeing danger ahead and adjusting accordingly, including by moving somewhere else.

My own Latin American experience was Chile, where I lived for two years in the before times, and while it's a lot not developed than most of the continent it's definitely the roughest place I've lived. If one is accustomed to everything functioning flawlessly as in Germany, Latin America is going to be ... a different experience, for sure.

I spent quite some time in Southern Mexico and Bali, as well as Russia. A less developed place like Paraguay actually has its own charm, especially since it is relatively secure when compared to much of Central America. But I am sure that there will be things that may need adjusting to.

And don't forget that those countries are called the US's backyard for a reason, they tend to follow the mandates of papa Washington with almost no resistance, and where there's one, there's usually a coup or something.

As far as geopolitical considerations, I think that the US is on the brink of having to deal with huge internal issues - one way or another. Much of it seems to have been orchestrated, especially the insane divide. So I think the US will be preoccupied with internal issues and their power abroad is also slowly waning.

One possibility is that they will decide to start a major war with Russia or China or both. In that case too Latin America seems to be one of the most secure places to be.

The other thing is that, despite the US being what it is, I have found myself with a bit more "freedom" in terms of covid where I live than in orther countries, and that is because of another factor to consider besides the measures being in place, and it's culture. A nation may be rather free, but if their culture is one of obedience, then it kind of doesn't matter.

Yes, I know what you mean. And I would probably move to the US again if it was easier to get in. We'll see. As far as culture of obedience goes, it seems particularly widespread in places like Western Europe or Canada. Former communist countries in Eastern Europe are quite the opposite of that, but most of them are in the EU as well. I considered Montenegro or Macedonia, but those are actually not easy to get in either as a resident.

Being from South America and thinking I knew how people would react in the region, specially how relaxed one would think they are, I was rather surprised to see how effective the measures were down there. It was really uncanny!

Is it all of South America that you find has been too obedient or only certain places?
The people of which countries do you see as least obedient? Not just in South America, but in general.

 

[AndrewMn]

The people of which countries do you see as least obedient? Not just in South America, but in general.

Let me add my 2 cents.

This is just a very subjective opinion, but I tend to think that Russia and Belarus have the least "obedient" population. This is due to the mentality of the people, the "sense of justice" and a certain stubbornness in character.

With covid restrictions, for example, we (Belarus) are very loyal (masks are worn at personal request, vaccination is advisory, although it all depends on the employer in some cases). This is very different from the situation in neighboring countries (Poland, Germany and so on). In the event of the introduction of stupid or inadequate measures by the governments, the population of Russia, as well as Belarus, will harshly ignore them openly or sabotage them on the ground. And if there is strong pressure, then an open mass protest is also possible, which is able to cancel (at least for a while) stupidity.

However, I would like to draw your attention to what is happening in the world. The world and the picture is changing very quickly. Finding a better place now, it seems to me, is very difficult. Despite the fact that a global conflict between Russia, China, the United States is unlikely to be possible, the economies of the whole world could suffer unpredictably severely. It's already noticeable. In addition, you should be aware of the possible natural disasters that can occur anywhere in the world.

I would recommend that you really choose the country where you will have friends, close people, where you know the laws and there are no problems with communication in everyday life.

 

[syldan]

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