Schizophrenia, The Work, etc

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Hello, i want to talk about something that happened to me recently, something really similar to what i have experienced and then lived 5 years backward. I start from the first story. A night i smoked hemp with some friends (i was 16 years old) and after having took several great puffs, a drwarf man passed by, causing my friends to laught and letting me indifferent questioning myself why they was. Soon after my sister passed with a girlfriend on a scooter and took the next street that could be joined by where i was from a path. A friend decided to go block them. It was during the night of halloween, and because only had a tee-shirt, i hesitated one moment to run considering the cold which it made. But abruptly i started running quickly as my friend was already ahead and at this moment, propagating itself from the bottom, i was not feeling my body anymore. Anew with my friends my body begun to vibrate and a strong beat was tinkling in my head in the same way my heart was (today, I can rather distinctly say that it was related with a chakras activity). I remained approximately 7 hours walking outside to adapt myself to these inside swirl and the days which followed i didn't have energy no more. Even the year which followed I was deprived of my idendity, i didn't like what i liked anymore, constantly taken with fear and a massive tiredness which nailed me to the bed. One day, one year after that approximately, i made the discovery of something that transcendented me. I was totally certain that we simply born, and that who we are, is not what we are, we simply are (to be or not not to be), it was like anchored in the flesh and this made me feel high fear (i felt feeling i was different from the world after that). I was in a battle between this part of me which had discovered this thing in question that nothing really reflected among the world and society (tinted at the same time with fear and pride) and the other part which was an attacked victim trying to escape from madness (maybe like two forces really opposed sinking themself inside each other causing constant chocks). When I speak about it, that repeats the diagram which I have just explained like if I was tuning another of my egos, a one who is ok and has nothing to do with all this (it is also this image that is repeated in several other situations). I had hard times trying to concentrate and all kind of stuffs, i was filled with illusory fears, had many weaknesses (as for example a small voice in my head which dualized me and putted my egos in a constant battle). I was victim of massive re-programmings, considering the constancy of my deep fears and by the way my consecutive adaptations, bufferisations. However, that's why made me to come to the esotericism, as the world appeared false and banal. And recently, i lived a similar shock where i felt like i lost my knowledge and my objectives, being in an identical primitive state, having troubles to concentrate, fears, in a kind of a fever with unpleasant odor in the sines (detail : i have a nerve that is stimulated at the level of the amygdala which makes me in a great state when i hear some frequencies [like music]). I talked about it to some friends, and they suggested that i integrated the essense without keeping an ego causing a disfunction, and i also read on Gurdjieff and the Secret History of the World, that's when one face directly his essence, putting down all the buffers, this one could became crazy. So i would like to have some advices and informations (the work, schizophrenia relation etc). Thanks.
 
Are you schizophrenic? And if so, how long have you been diagnosed. Some people who are 'sensitive' (and I don't know in what way or how), if they smoke marijuana it can trigger a psychotic ephisode and/or definately make schizophrenia worse.

But, its hard to tell young people (or even people in general, of any age) to not do high risk activites either because they are intrinsically dangerous, or that what they are 'messing with' is not fully understood (like the brain or maybe other density beings).

My advice would be to keep it simple, stick to the things that you can understand and build on these. Dont stray into the area of drugs (or any other area for that matter) in an effort to 'short cut' knowledge gathering, or in an effort to 'gain' something. Such a thing cannot be 'forced'. Its not worth the risk as these things are very little understood by us 3rd density creatures.
 
Are you schizophrenic? And if so, how long have you been diagnosed. Some people who are 'sensitive' (and I don't know in what way or how), if they smoke marijuana it can trigger a psychotic ephisode and/or definately make schizophrenia worse.
I have been diagnosed as schizophrenic when i was 17 (so 5 years ago), got a traitment (i have stopped at my 18) and am not followed by a psychologist (i didn't want because i was feeling they only wanted to place great lanscapes in my innersight, ones that vanished with the chaos of my state and leaving me the same way)

But, its hard to tell young people (or even people in general, of any age) to not do high risk activites either because they are intrinsically dangerous, or that what they are 'messing with' is not fully understood (like the brain or maybe other density beings).
Yop, i'm not a smoker, i didn't smoke since then.

My advice would be to keep it simple, stick to the things that you can understand and build on these. Dont stray into the area of drugs (or any other area for that matter) in an effort to 'short cut' knowledge gathering, or in an effort to 'gain' something. Such a thing cannot be 'forced'. Its not worth the risk as these things are very little understood by us 3rd density creatures.
The thing is that i don't actually take drugs (no medicines or substances), but like i said it's the shock that made a bir g change (maybe in relation with high things) and accommodations had to take place "for the better or for the worst".

Thanks for your reponse, and may you excuse my english, i'm french. It would be ok if there were psychocologists there (i know, i'm dreaming),however, thanks again and i'm waiting other responses.

N.B : I use metaphors because it's simple for me.
 
Hi HMY, welcome to the forum.

From what little I've read about schizophrenia, it must be a difficult condition to live with. "Esotericism" is first and foremost about getting psychologically healthy but this isn't really a forum that covers schizophrenia, so you might need to seek out more specialised resources first. Have you studied your condition much? Do you have any support groups you attend? Do you have a regular job?

Best wishes,

Ryan
 
Hi HMY, welcome to the forum.

From what little I've read about schizophrenia, it must be a difficult condition to live with. "Esotericism" is first and foremost about getting psychologically healthy but this isn't really a forum that covers schizophrenia,so you might need to seek out more specialised resources first. Have you studied your condition much?
Hello, thanks. Well, the starting two years i coulnd't really analyse myself, was instead escaping it. But when i acquired a "stability" (more or less) in relation with my "discover" i then didn't accept the fact that i was schizophrenic, thinking it was just a status. So despite that i still was in a similar state i wanted to go front (a subjectic illusion i guess). So i can't say i studied my condition much because of all my contradictions.

I have no regular job (i only worked one time in my life) and i attend no support groups (could it be a good idea? now that you said it i'm thinking that it could help).

And recently i read things on schizophrenia (because the psychologists and other never gived me informations about it, they just said that i had "enlargements of things in the brains"), that corrobs my states and symptons, but i don't know from where to start in a way to recover and evolve. I really want to beat it..Thanks for your responses.
 
HeyMrYoshu said:
And recently i read things on schizophrenia (because the psychologists and other never gived me informations about it, they just said that i had "enlargements of things in the brains"), that corrobs my states and symptons, but i don't know from where to start in a way to recover and evolve. I really want to beat it..Thanks for your responses.
Hi HMY, schizophrenia is a very 'unkind' mental illness, I think, because there is still a lot of prejudice in the community about it. What people tend to forget is that the symptoms are often just as frightening for the sufferer as they are for people who watch how the illness may change the way a person behaves. Psychiatrists (medical specialists) prefer to treat people with schizophrenia because they have a very big risk of self harm and sometimes they harm others too when they have a psychotic ephisode.

Sometimes people with schizophrenia come off their medications (this is usually because they feel ok) and have a relapse. Sometimes, in this country, they have to be 'sectioned' which means being forcebly detained and treated because they have become a danger to themselves and others and they are unable to control how they feel.

I found this web site about it which gives a lot of good information, but it is in English. You might be able to find something in French too.
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/schizophrenia/page3_em.htm

I think Ryan's idea of a support group is a good one. Schizophrenia is not at all well understood. I have heard it described as a brain chemical imbalance. I definately think you did the right thing by not smoking any more marijuana. This may have saved you from having a worse condition.

I am not a mental health expert, but like most things, I think working in a group where you can get expert advice is a really good idea. You might be able to find out if there is an association in your country.

In the past, schizophrenia was seen as some sort of communication with either God or the Devil. Its still not understood why it happens, or why some drugs work (on some people) and some don't. If you think about it, Joan of Ark may well have been a sufferer too.
 
On this thread:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=6785.msg47407#msg47407

I notice that there is a post by HeyMrYoshu which is blank and says only:

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Last edited by HeyMrYoshu (2007-08-06 02:16:08)
The very next post is by Jsf and says:

Perhaps Emotionnal people have to work on the intellect part and Intellectual people on the emotionnal part, and then merge the two, this is, I think, what we have in many alchemical drawings (emotionnal - sulfur - masculine // intellectual - mercury - feminine)

[sorry for heymryoshu's post, this is because he did not deconnect his session so I had to reco mine.]

Last edited by Jsf (2007-08-06 02:19:46)
Now, the interesting things about these two posts consist in the following: they both post from the very same IP address even though:

HeyMrYoshu's details:

From: Paris suburbs
Registered: 2006-11-14
Posts: 7


Jsf's details:

From: Aix-en-provence, France
Registered: 2007-01-03
Posts: 126


I am hoping that HeyMrYoshu or Nsf will be able to satisfactorily explain this.
 
Yoshu came last week with another friend of our forum, you can see http://www.gloire-au-michoud.com/Arc/1.jpg
;)

and this

edit : oops, I'm still under his session :D
 
That's mean :)

It's not me on the photo/video. But, do you wish to eternelly discuss of our group and all that ?
 
Jsf said:
That's mean :)
I apologized if my questions were interpreted as 'mean.'

I cannot help but see the logic in what Laura has posted...that you and HeyMrYoshu have a same IP address, which led me to believe that either you two are roommates or are the same person. But, the former seems to be a strongly evident when I saw the video, which was created by jsf, and it was linked in the post by HeyMrYoshu. Thus, I thought you two are roommates.

And, in the video, you used most of the books in the recommended readings list to be used for Domino effect, and the video was titled "esoteric work." That was a bit confusing, in my opinion, and I could not understand the reason for it.

osit.
 
The video was entitled "esoteric work".

What I think I understood from it is that the books, the knowledge contained within, would cause a domino effect. Was this the theme?

But I'm not so sure what was interpreted as "mean" was actually so. I think Zadius was asking a simple question. So far there seems to be some connection between Jsf and HeyMrYoshu, and from the video, it does appear as if you are roommates.

Laura also asked for you (Jsf and HMY) to clear something up, and what you have presented hasn't exactly done that.

Peg
 
Jsf said:
That's mean :)

It's not me on the photo/video. But, do you wish to eternelly discuss of our group and all that ?
What do you mean by 'that's mean'? I didn't see anything 'mean' at all.

What do you mean by 'eternally discuss our group'? What group? You seem rather defensive for a reason I cannot clearly see - or, perhaps I am misinterpreting you.
 
It's just a video of me during my vacations at JSF's home. There's nothing mean, it was just ME IN (mean) jsf's house :D
 
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