Schizophrenia

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Hello,

I'm inquiring about the cause and treatment of Schizophrenia. A member of my family has been diagnosed with it more than a decade ago, no medications seems to have any significant effect thus far. I understand to refrain from posting/asking questions of a personal nature, however I don't believe this person's detrimental psychological condition started on it's own (outside forces might have played a role). As a result I feel the C's can help with a diagnosis that might not only point me in the right direction but others with a similar situation as well.

P.S. I refrained from providing much details as this is a very complex situation.

Thank You.
 
Hello Amadi. I would advise you to look at the threads on the "psychology & cognitive science" board. There's many important & up-to-date research that has been gathered there. If you're uncomfortable with sharing the details right now, then I suggest you should take the time to read the above & ask any questions that you will invariably have. You should also think about the dietary component of schizophrenia if you aren't yet aware of it. The "diet & health" board has an incredible wealth of information about the proven links between diet & cognitive health. Not to mention the emotional side. There are quite a few people on the forum who have a deep interest in this specific affliction for various reasons. So again, I think that you should start with the above suggestions & post whatever you are comfortable with. The feedback you receive will be determined by what you choose to share.
 
Thank You Ascien for providing me with direction for further study. It is not a matter of comfortability, but the amount of variables involved.
 
You may want to read some previous sessions, and see if they provide an answer. For example:

Session 20 August 2011
Q: (L) Okay. What's the next question? (Psyche) We were checking some statistics and we realized that full siblings of schizophrenics are nine times more likely than the general population to have schizophrenia, and four times more likely to have bipolar disorder. Is {name redacted} affected by this genetic tendency?

A: Oh indeed! However this requires explanation. First of all, the genetics that are associated with schizophrenia can be either a doorway or a barrier. Second, the manifestation of schizophrenia can take non-ordinary pathways. That is to say that diet can activate the pathway without the concomitant benefits.

Q: (Burma) I think that they're saying that schizophrenia could essentially be a way to be open to seeing other aspects of reality but diet can make it so it basically just makes you crazy without actually seeing anything.

A: Primitive societies that eat according to the normal diet for human beings do not have "schizophrenics", but they do have shamans who can "see".

Q: (Perceval) So a schizophrenic on animal fat is a shaman. (L) Well, wait a minute. There's something real subtle here. What I think you're saying is that when these genetic pathways are activated through wrong diet, it screws up the shamanic capacity?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, schizophrenia as we understand it or have witnessed it is a screw-up of something that could or might manifest in a completely different way on a different diet? Is that it?

A: Yes

Q: (L) And that's what you meant by not only a doorway, but also a barrier because the person who is on the wrong diet and has schizophrenia is barred from being able to be a bridge between the worlds. They kind of get lost. They're barred from having a normal life, and they're also barred from coming back from their delusions or whatever they're seeing even if they're not delusions. Maybe they’re seeing, but they're unable to help or do anything.
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Other possible clues:
Session 25 October 1994
Session 19 February 2000

If you search for "schizophrena session" on the search function, you will find more.

And like Ascien said, there is a lot of research about diet and schizophrenia, and mental health in general. I hope it helps you find the answers.
 
You might be interested in this article too:

Niacin and schizophrenia
http://www.sott.net/article/288040-Niacin-and-schizophrenia
 
@Chu, I appreciate your comment.

@Gaby, I have read the article a couple days after it was posted on SOTT back in 2014.
 
This article was posted on Sott and relates to the C's session Chu referred to.

Crazy, or unsuccessful healer? A shaman's view of mental illness

I have family members with schizophrenia and have worked with lots of people suffering from schizophrenia. Taking medications is no guarantee that symptoms will be controlled for an extended period. Sometimes the medications "work" in making the symptoms less overt but they're still there. Many times people have had psychotic breaks and had to be sent to hospital even when taking medications as prescribed.

There's certainly more to this schizophrenia business than meets the eye. Most that I've worked with are very sweet and sensitive. A lot of them are also what is referred to as "religiously preoccupied" or have magical thinking.

Maybe one of the outside forces that lead to schizophrenia could be supernatural. The condition often strikes during the late teen to early 20's which is often a time of social, emotional or hormonal upheaval. I had one patient in the hospital who started showing symptoms in her 40's. Something very traumatic happened to her but she would never talk about it.

I hope you find some answers.
 
Thank you Odyssey. It might have indeed been supernatural, without a reliable source to give me such information it ends up being pure speculation on my end. Many of the points you have mentioned are present in this individual.
 
I have schizophrenia, and I'm glad a thread has been opened up to discuss the problems it causes and the possible roots. I used to be a more regular contributor to the forum but life just got too difficult for me and I just fell away eventually after embarrassing myself as I always end up doing whenever I try to get to the roots of what caused my collapse. The roots were there in childhood, I used to have imaginary friends that I played with in the garden, gotta wonder what was hanging around me back then in retrospect. :(

I had a high strangeness trauma back in 2004 which precipitated the onset of the dreaded voices and the ransacking and fragmentation of my identity, it's definitely a big factor for some cases, most definitely mine.

I also think that spirit attachments have a lot to do with it also, but try opening up about that subject to a medical practioner!

Thanks Odyssey for the link to the article and for your professional insights, I remember you trying to help me five years back when Smallwood and I were sharing our experiences, I tried my best at the time but what I had to give was not enough. I'm going to read the shaman article and respond back when I've digested it.

My heart goes out to all sufferers of mental illnesses and most particularly schizophrenia; at its worst it's like being trapped in a psychological horror film which you can't escape, though thankfully it's mainly ups and downs, there are always quiet periods when I can do more with my time and energies.

Off the top of my head, as a long term sufferer, I would say eschew CBT (all intellectual theory, no emotion), medication (just suppresses the symptoms, and the side effects can be worse than the illness itself), and I would stongly reccommend art/music therapy, to find a way of expressing what you truly think, and most crucially, what you truly feel. I cannot stress the this last point enough, I think it's a crucial part of the jigsaw puzzle to bring a person towards a better understanding of themself and perhaps even some healing.

Good Luck with your relative Amadi, life can be so hard for those people closest to the sufferers, I know I've caused a fair bit of heartache and anxiety to my Mother and Father over the years. :)
 
Odyssey said:
I have family members with schizophrenia and have worked with lots of people suffering from schizophrenia. Taking medications is no guarantee that symptoms will be controlled for an extended period. Sometimes the medications "work" in making the symptoms less overt but they're still there. Many times people have had psychotic breaks and had to be sent to hospital even when taking medications as prescribed.

There's certainly more to this schizophrenia business than meets the eye. Most that I've worked with are very sweet and sensitive. A lot of them are also what is referred to as "religiously preoccupied" or have magical thinking.
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While Odyssey likely has much more experience than me with patients so diagnosed, I have had some experience working with clients whose medical assessments include a diagnosis of schizophrenia. To me, the most notable traits that my clients have had in common are a gentleness of disposition, presentation, and overall behavior and what strikes me as a physical (skin) and cognitive sensitivity. Also, they all took medication and were assessed to be able to live independently provided certain basic needs were met.

As things sometimes go, I rarely had a chance to talk to every client about many of their life experiences, but with some of those I did speak, those experiences often included neglect, physical violence (beatings), loud, angry outbursts and what seems to qualify as crazymaking. The cognitive sensitivity refers to what I seemed to observe as a particular high level of self-awareness at a very young age as well as a recognition of contradictions - from the extreme examples that involve dissonance between words and behavior to the subtle contradictions in the very language to which they have been exposed.

One individual in particular was overheard having a conversation with himself. In that conversation, he seemed to be trying to verbally straighten out some very convoluted logic. Right now, I can't share the content and structure of that verbalization, but it was very hard to listen to. I got the feeling this person was trapped in a situation as a dependent, could have developed much more quickly and been ready to leave this dependent relationship early in life, yet was somehow treated as if the opposite was the case. Based on piecing his story together over time and recalling his intake interview, he seemed definitely in denial that a certain person would or did actually beat him, yet he couldn't explain his fear or lack of awareness of having any anger toward that person.

If the main symptoms involve inner talking with violent introjects, or otherwise debilitating voices in the head, then a caring family member or caretaker could do a lot worse than to check out some of the work of Robert W. Firestone and any publication with Voice Therapy or Fantasy Bond in the title. There are also several of his videos on youtube.

So, yeah, due to my belief that there are more dimensions of thought and awareness than the typical 3D description admits of, I also think there's more to this than meets the eye. Amadi, I'm also hoping you find some answers.
 
First of all Amadi, i hope you find the answers you are seeking, and Skipling i hope you are able to stay well, and become the "seer" you were meant to be.
I have schizophrenia in my family, and watched my best friend go through it. The last time i saw him he was trying to kill me. What an awful condition to have in our sick society. I think half the battle is realizing that one has it.
The question i have is wether op's can be schizophrenic. I think there is some info to be gleened in the wave series as well. Specifically the excerpts that deal with John Nash.
 
Possibility of Being, thank you very much for the link to that thread, I will be reading it immediately. :)

davey72, thanks for the words of support, they mean a lot to me, I'll be making more efforts to be more use to the universe from now on. :)

Now onwards to read that thread!
 
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