School/Work
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Fwiw,
I can't speak about the NYC area, but I do not think that you will find a True Fourth Way school that way imho, you might want to look at ISOTM and the Wave for the necessary conditions. I don't think that if G. was alive he would be pleased at what he sees (I mean seeing the groups nowadays).
I have a small experience I can share, I went to dances classes for a few weeks, there were groups for Work too organized by the same people that did the dances (some of the people in the work groups had gotten to the point of supper effort, as the women told me). The organizers were nice and intelligent people (husband and wife), they weren't the Osho/G. variation, but the woman told me once that Gurdjieff had already provided enough material for them to explore till the end of their lives. I can't say that I am 100% sure whether she only meant that his Work is enormous so I hope I am not twisting their words in a subjective way, but she and her husband kind of seemed to be making the mistake of overconcentrating on G. a bit imho, forgetting that he didn't departure as a fully accomplished Hero would, that he could have made mistakes somewhere in the calculations of all his movements/music. In fact somewhere it was mentioned that some of his movements didn't produce the expected results at first and he told his students never to try those again.
So back to the main theme, I also would recommend sott/qfg's essay on the fourth way and there was also another piece about other qfg readers having visited such groups(which I cannot find right now).
Edit: clarifications
I can't speak about the NYC area, but I do not think that you will find a True Fourth Way school that way imho, you might want to look at ISOTM and the Wave for the necessary conditions. I don't think that if G. was alive he would be pleased at what he sees (I mean seeing the groups nowadays).
I have a small experience I can share, I went to dances classes for a few weeks, there were groups for Work too organized by the same people that did the dances (some of the people in the work groups had gotten to the point of supper effort, as the women told me). The organizers were nice and intelligent people (husband and wife), they weren't the Osho/G. variation, but the woman told me once that Gurdjieff had already provided enough material for them to explore till the end of their lives. I can't say that I am 100% sure whether she only meant that his Work is enormous so I hope I am not twisting their words in a subjective way, but she and her husband kind of seemed to be making the mistake of overconcentrating on G. a bit imho, forgetting that he didn't departure as a fully accomplished Hero would, that he could have made mistakes somewhere in the calculations of all his movements/music. In fact somewhere it was mentioned that some of his movements didn't produce the expected results at first and he told his students never to try those again.
So back to the main theme, I also would recommend sott/qfg's essay on the fourth way and there was also another piece about other qfg readers having visited such groups(which I cannot find right now).
Edit: clarifications
Mountain Crown
The Living Force
Menna said:
You may find this thread interesting: Imitation Fourth Way Groups Started by Gurdjieff Rejects
Menna
The Living Force
I am meeting with students from the Fellowship of Friends. I am aware that it is an imitation 4th way group and the teacher is of STS alignment and might not have been clean when he crystilized so I will have my knowledge shield up. I am going because the students might have some interesting information and at the very least we can have an educated discussion about the book ISOTM and some of G's ideas.
Menna
The Living Force
Met with students from the fellowship last Friday I am going to another meeting tonight. The first meeting was very benificial it helps to talk to like minded people and it also helps with the work I believe they talked about three levels that conversing with other students is one of the levels and that you have knowledge and being and they need to be balanced. These meeting might be a good way to balance that. I have to go to more meeting to formulate an objective viewpoint on the meeting. I was going to say opinion but I read the opinion thread yikes
