Searching for info about Putin taking on schoolyard bullies when he was a kid

bjorb

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Hi all,

I've one short question, I once heard that Putin took on schoolyard bullies when he was a kid. Sadly I've trouble finding information about it. If this was true and someone can share a link about that in this thread, than this would be most helpfull and greatly appreciated!


Btw, like others also already noticed, google has become absolutely worthless in order to find anything relevant. Just type in Vladimir Putin for example and see how only MSM websites pop up. RT, Sputniknews or Sott.net doesn't seem to exist anymore. :(
 
If i remember correctly, it was mentioned shortly in some recent documentary. Maybe Oliver Stone's 'Putin interviews' or Rossiya 24 channel's 'The President'?
 
Seppo Ilmarinen said:
If i remember correctly, it was mentioned shortly in some recent documentary. Maybe Oliver Stone's 'Putin interviews' or Rossiya 24 channel's 'The President'?

Thank you Seppo Ilmarinen! Will start with Rossiya 24 channel's 'The President'

I think that I can put that info to good use, but first I need to have a source.

If anyone knows more about it, feel free to share :)
 
Here is one source:

March 2000: I arrived in St.Petersburg. A Russian friend (a psychologist) since 1983 came for our usual visit. My first question was, “Lena what do you think about your new president?” She laughed and retorted, “Volodya! I went to school with him!” She began to describe Putin as a quiet youngster, poor, fond of martial arts, who stood up for kids being bullied on the playgrounds.
 
bjorn said:
Hi all,

I've one short question, I once heard that Putin took on schoolyard bullies when he was a kid. Sadly I've trouble finding information about it. If this was true and someone can share a link about that in this thread, than this would be most helpfull and greatly appreciated!


Btw, like others also already noticed, google has become absolutely worthless in order to find anything relevant. Just type in Vladimir Putin for example and see how only MSM websites pop up. RT, Sputniknews or Sott.net doesn't seem to exist anymore. :(

Seppo Ilmarinen is right, this interesting fact about Putin's childhood is mentioned in the Oliver Stone's documentary, though i'm not 100 % sure, anyways just out of curiosity i did some search on google regarding Putin's childhood, well you we're right, i've found only trash, then i've tried do some search on the russian web, i've found some interesting info but only in russian, just in a few words, the people with whom he grew, who knew him when he was a kid, we're recounting how he was a very adventurous kid, a warrior (in fact, one of his childhood friends remembers that the young Volodya always was saying to his friends that in order to be a real man, a good spy (he wanted madly to become one) you have to get stronger, push yourself to the limits, work hard, and in fact from ealy childhood he was doing just that), loved the adventures, getting in trouble :), very free spirited kid, never liked bullies, where he lived there were a lot of bullies so in order to not obey them he started to learn martial arts, when he gained some progress in martial arts, the bullies on the block were avoiding him, the people who knew him from the early childhood had very positive thoughts about Putin and his parents...
 
Another interesting piece of data that might be related can be found here:

The other interesting answer is to what his most vivid memories are from childhood. The first one he mentioned as a bright one was him growing up in the streets of Leningrad with his friends. At the time he and other little boys roamed the streets of Leningrad and he mentioned his memory about how he behaved wrongly against another boy and that he noticed how the boy retaliated towards Putins behaviour, it happed over and over again in the coming years and that was something that told him how to behave towards other people and respect them. The next bright memory he mentioned is from the times when he started to do martial arts (judo) and how those battles told him how to fight to the end no matter how exhausted and give everything you can. In regards to that, what he learned is how to overcome himself to give his all and that this bright memory is still with him today and that this is a good quality in a person; to go to the very end to archive your goal.
 
Don't know if this will help but Newsweek published an article in 2012 that gives some background of Putin's childhood, in which they (gleefully) point out an incident from a childhood friend ...

Portrait of the Young Vladimir Putin 2/20/12 U.S. Edition (Photos)
http://www.newsweek.com/portrait-young-vladimir-putin-65739

His early life has the ring of legend about it—the legend of a postwar thug. It starts in Leningrad in 1952, just eight years after the end of the Siege of Leningrad. His parents, Maria and Vladimir Putin, had survived the siege in the city. The elder Vladimir Putin had joined the Army in the early days of the Soviet-German war and had been wounded seriously in battle. These were the future president’s parents: a disabled man and a woman who had come very close to dying from starvation and who had lost her children (a second son died in infancy several years before the war). But by the measure of the postwar Soviet Union, the Putins were lucky: they had each other. To have lived not only through the war but through the siege, and to still have your spouse—and your home—was, essentially, a miracle.

Because Vladimir Putin was catapulted to power from obscurity, and because he spent his entire adult life within the confines of a secret and secretive institution, he has been able to exercise greater control over what is known about him than almost any other modern politician—certainly more than any modern Western politician. He has created his own -mythology of a child of post-siege Leningrad, a mean, hungry, impoverished place that bred mean, hungry, ferocious children.

One enters the building in which Putin grew up through the courtyard. Chunks of the handrail were missing, and the rest of the construction wobbled wildly. The Putins lived on the top floor of the five-story building, and the journey up the dark stairs could be risky. Three families shared a single gas stove and a sink stationed in the narrow hallway. The Putins had the largest room in the shared apartment: around 20 square meters, or roughly 12 feet by 15 feet. By the standards of the time, this was an almost palatial abode. More incredibly, the Putins also had a television set, a telephone, and a dacha (a small house outside the city). The elder Vladimir Putin worked as a skilled laborer at a train-car factory; Maria took backbreaking unskilled jobs (night watchman, cleaning woman, loader) that allowed her to spend time with her son. Against the fine shades of postwar Soviet poverty, the Putins emerge as practically rich.

Education was not part of the younger Putin’s idea of success; he has placed a great emphasis on portraying himself as a thug, and in this he has had the cooperation of his childhood friends. By far the largest amount of authorized biographical information available about him concerns the many fistfights of his childhood and youth.

Putin, younger than the thugs he encountered and slight of build, apparently tried to hold his own with them. “If anyone ever insulted him in any way,” a friend recalled, “Volodya would immediately jump on the guy, scratch him, bite him, rip his hair out by the clump—do anything at all never to allow anyone to humiliate him in any way.” Putin’s friends recount a series of fighting stories, the same plot repeating itself year after year. “We were in eighth grade when we were standing at a tram stop, waiting,” recounted another friend. “A tram pulled up, but it was not going where we needed to go. Two huge drunken men got off and started trying to pick a fight with somebody. They were cursing and pushing people around. Vovka calmly handed his bag over to me, and then I saw that he had just sent one of the men flying into a snowbank, face first. The second one turned around and started at Volodya, screaming, ‘What was that?’ A couple of seconds later he knew exactly what it was, because he was lying there next to his buddy. That was just when our tram pulled up. If there is anything I can say about Vovka, it’s that he never let bastards and rascals who insult people and bug them get away with it.”

(Masha Gessen discusses her new book, ‘The Man Without a Face,’ which was exclusively excerpted in Newsweek magazine.)

At the age of 10 or 11, Putin went looking for a place where he could learn skills to supplement his sheer will to fight. Boxing proved too painful: he had his nose broken during one of his first training sessions. Then he found Sambo. Sambo, an acronym for a Russian phrase that translates as “self-defense without weapons,” is a Soviet martial art, a hodgepodge of judo, karate, and folk wrestling moves. With its discipline, Sambo became part of Putin’s transformation from a grade-school thug into a goal-directed and hardworking adolescent. It was also linked to what had become an overriding ambition: Putin had apparently heard that the KGB expected new recruits to be skilled in hand-to-hand combat.

“Imagine a boy who dreams of being a KGB officer when everyone else wants to be a cosmonaut,” the journalist Natalia Gevorkyan said to me, trying to explain how odd Putin’s passion seemed to her. I did not find it quite so farfetched: in the 1960s, Soviet cultural authorities invested heavily in creating a romantic, even glamorous image of the secret police. When Putin was 12, a novel called The Shield and the Sword became a bestseller. Its protagonist was a Soviet intelligence officer working in Germany. When Putin was 15, the novel was made into a wildly popular miniseries. Forty-three years later, as prime minister, he would meet with 11 Russian spies deported from the United States—and together, in a show of camaraderie and nostalgia, they would sing the theme song from the miniseries.

“When I was in ninth grade, I was influenced by films and books, and I developed a desire to work for the KGB,” Putin told a biographer. “There is nothing special about that.” The protestation raises the question: is there another explanation for Putin’s single-minded passion? It seems there is, and Putin has hidden it in plain sight, as the best spies do.

We all want our children to grow up to be more successful versions of ourselves. Vladimir Putin was born to be a Soviet spy. During World War II, the elder Putin had been assigned to troops who worked with the NKVD, as the Soviet secret police was then called. The legend of his father’s daring escape from behind German lines with which the younger Putin grew up is as likely to have been true as any other tale of miraculous survival and spontaneous heroism.

It is not clear whether the elder Putin had worked for the secret police before the war or continued to work for the NKVD afterward. It seems likely that he remained part of the so-called active reserve, a giant group of secret-police officers who held regular jobs while also informing for—and drawing a salary from—the KGB. This may explain why the Putins lived so comparatively well: the dacha, the television set, and the telephone—especially the telephone.

At the suggestion of a KGB recruiter, Putin went to university, where he seems to have chiefly kept to himself. He kept his grades up and spent his free time training in judo (his coach and teammates had traded in Sambo for an Olympic martial art) and driving around in his car. Putin was, more than likely, the only student at Leningrad University who owned his own car. In the early 1970s a car in the Soviet Union was a rarity: it cost roughly as much as a dacha. The Putins won the car, a late-model two-door with a motorcycle engine, in a lottery, and rather than take the money—which would have been enough to get them out of the communal apartment and into a separate flat in a newly constructed building—gave the car to their son. That they gave the younger Putin this lavish gift, and that he accepted it, are further examples of the Putins’ extraordinarily doting relationship with their son, and perhaps of their incongruous riches. Whatever the reason, Putin’s relationship to money—extravagant and strikingly selfish for his social-context—-appears to have taken shape during his university years.

Soon after university Putin achieved his dream of entering the KGB, and he seems to have made no secret of his work for it. He told the cellist Sergei Roldugin, who would become his best friend, almost as soon as the two met. Roldugin, who had traveled abroad with his orchestra and had seen KGB handlers at work, says he was apprehensive and curious at once. “Once, I tried to get him to talk about some operation that had gone down, and I failed,” he told Putin’s official biographers. “Another time I said to him, ‘I am a cellist, and that means I play the cello. I’ll never be a surgeon. What’s your job? I mean, I know you are an intelligence officer. But what does that mean? Who are you? What can you do?’ And he said, ‘I am an expert in human relations.’ That was the end of the conversation. He really thought he knew something about people ...”

Putin’s own descriptions of his romances paint him as a strikingly inept communicator. He had one significant relationship with a woman before meeting his future wife; he left her at the altar. “That’s how it happened,” he told his biographers, explaining nothing. “It was really hard.” He was no more articulate on the subject of the woman he actually married—nor, it seems, was he successful at communicating his feelings to her during their courtship. They dated for more than three years—an extraordinarily long time by Soviet or Russian standards, and at a very advanced age: Putin was almost 31 when they married. Mrs. Putin has gone on record saying it was by no means love at first sight, for at first sight Putin seemed unremarkable and poorly dressed; he has never said anything publicly about his love for her. Her description of the day he finally proposed paints a picture of a profound failure to communicate.

“One evening we were sitting in his apartment, and he says, ‘Little friend, by now you know what I’m like. I am basically not a very convenient person.’ And then he went on to describe himself: not a talker, can be pretty harsh, can hurt your feelings, and so on. Not a good person to spend your life with. And he goes on. ‘Over the course of three and a half years you’ve probably made up your mind.’ I realized we were probably breaking up. So I said, ‘Well, yes, I’ve made up my mind.’ And he said, with doubt in his voice, ‘Really?’ That’s when I knew we were definitely breaking up. ‘In that case,’ he said, ‘I love you and I propose we get married on such and such a day.’ And that was completely unexpected.” They were married three months later. Ludmila moved to Leningrad to live with Putin in the two rooms he shared with his parents.

In the middle to late 1970s, when Putin joined the KGB, it, like all Soviet institutions, was undergoing a phase of extreme bloating. Its growing number of directorates and departments were producing mountains of information that had no clear purpose, application, or meaning. An entire army of men and a few women spent their lives com-piling newspaper clippings, transcripts of tapped telephone conversations, reports of people followed and trivia learned.

The internal ideology of the KGB, as of any police organization, rested on a clear concept of the enemy. But Putin entered the service not only in the post-Stalin era but also during one of the few brief periods of peace in Soviet history. The only active enemies were the dissidents, a handful of brave souls who drew a disproportionate amount of KGB force. Putin claims not to have taken part in anti-dissident work but has shown in interviews that he was thoroughly familiar with the way it was organized, probably because he was part of the group fighting the dissidents, as a former comrade’s memoir claimed.

His break came in 1984, when he was sent to spy school in Moscow. Barring an unexpected disaster, Putin knew that afterward he would be assigned to work in Germany, but he was disappointed that it was to Dresden. At the age of 33, Putin, with Ludmila—who was pregnant—and their 1-year-old daughter, Maria, traveled to his backwater assignment. This was the job for which he had worked and waited for 20 years, and he would not even be undercover.

The Putins, like five other Russian families, were given an apartment in a large apartment block in a little Stasi world: secret-police staff lived here, worked in a building a five-minute walk away, and sent their children to nursery school in the same compound. Their job was to collect information about “the enemy,” which was the West, meaning West Germany and, especially, United States military bases in West Germany, which were hardly more accessible from Dresden than they would have been from Leningrad. Putin and his colleagues were reduced mainly to collecting press clippings, thus contributing to the growing mountains of useless information produced by the KGB.

The Putins had a second daughter and named her Ekaterina. Putin drank beer and got fat. He stopped training, or exercising at all, and he gained more than 20 pounds—a disastrous addition to his short and fairly narrow frame. From all appearances, he was seriously depressed. His wife, who has described their early years together as harmonious and joyful, has pointedly refrained from saying anything about their family life after spy school. She has said only that her husband never talked to her about work.

Not that there was much to tell. The job Putin had once coveted, working to draft future undercover agents, turned out to be not only tedious but fruitless. He and his two colleagues from the illegal-intelligence unit tracked down foreign students enrolled at the Dresden University of Technology and spent months gaining their confidence, often only to find that they did not have enough money to entice the young people to work for them.

Still, it was in the West—so close and so unreachable for someone like Putin (some other Soviet citizens posted in Germany had the right to go to West Berlin)—that people had the things he really coveted. He made his wishes known to the very few Westerners with whom he came in contact—members of the radical group Red Army Faction, who took some of their orders from the KGB and occasionally came to Dresden for training sessions. “He always wanted to have things,” a former RAF member told me of Putin. “He mentioned to several people wishes that he wanted from the West.” This source claims to have personally presented Putin with a Grundig Satellit, a state-of-the-art shortwave radio, and a Blaupunkt stereo for his car; he bought the former and pilfered the latter from one of the many cars the RAF had stolen for its purposes.

Just as the Putins left the Soviet Union, that country began to change drastically and irrevocably. Mikhail Gorbachev came to power in March 1985. Two years later, he had released all Soviet dissidents from prison and was beginning to loosen the reins on Soviet-bloc countries. Over the next few years, a chasm would open up between the party and the KGB, culminating with the failed coup in August 1991.

Watching the changes from afar, surrounded by other secret-police officers—and no one else—Putin must have felt a hopeless, helpless fury. In East Germany, as in the Soviet Union, people were beginning to come out into the streets to protest, and the unthinkable was quickly beginning to look probable: the two Germanys might be reunited—the land Putin had been sent here to guard would just be handed over to the enemy. Everything he had worked for was now in doubt; everything he had believed was being mocked. This is the sort of insult that would have prompted the agile young man that Putin had been to pound the offender until his fury had subsided. Middle-aged, out-of-shape Putin sat silent and helpless as his dreams and hopes for the future were destroyed.

On Oct. 7, 1989, Vladimir Putin’s 37th birthday, East Germany celebrated its 40th anniversary, and riots broke out in Berlin. A month later the Berlin Wall fell, but demonstrations in East Germany continued until the first free-elections in March. Even before the protesters had chased the Stasi out of its buildings, East Germany began the grueling and painful process of purging the Stasi from its society. All of the Putins’ neighbors not only lost their jobs but also were banned from working in law enforcement, the government, or teaching.

The Putins returned to Leningrad. They carried a 20-year-old washing machine given to them by their former neighbors and a sum of money in U.S. dollars, sufficient to buy the best Soviet-made car available. This was all they had to show for four and a half years of living abroad—and for Vladimir Putin’s unconsummated spy career. The four of them would be returning to the smaller of the two rooms in the elder Putins’ apartment.

In the years that followed, Putin did all he could to bring back the life he had loved: the closed world of the Soviet Union and, even more important, the KGB. Not only did he become head of the Russian state a mere dozen years after returning from Germany, but he also succeeded in transforming the country, turning back democratic reforms and ultimately establishing a thoroughly corrupt and inefficient authoritarian regime in the image of the U.S.S.R.

While his political inspiration has come from the KGB, his personal style goes back to the St. Petersburg courtyards, where he picked up the wit and social-graces of a street thug. He scored his first major surge in popularity in 1999, when he vowed to hunt down Chechen terrorists. Since then he has continued to employ a rhetoric based on homegrown vulgarisms even when many Russians seem to have had enough of his ways. What used to look like macho decisiveness and directness now looks unenlightened. Putin’s thug myth may ultimately contribute more to his demise than it did to his rise to power.

(From The Man Without a Face by Masha Gessen. Reprinted by arrangement with Riverhead Books, a member of Penguin Group (USA) Inc. and Granta Books (UK). © 2012 by Masha Gessen.)
 
angelburst29 said:
While his political inspiration has come from the KGB, his personal style goes back to the St. Petersburg courtyards, where he picked up the wit and social-graces of a street thug. He scored his first major surge in popularity in 1999, when he vowed to hunt down Chechen terrorists. Since then he has continued to employ a rhetoric based on homegrown vulgarisms even when many Russians seem to have had enough of his ways. What used to look like macho decisiveness and directness now looks unenlightened. Putin’s thug myth may ultimately contribute more to his demise than it did to his rise to power.

That sounds like an awful lot of wishful thinking to me - at this stage there is no real contender for next year’s presidential election, to the point even that Putin can run as independent canditate without having the backing of a party.
 
Thank you all so much, the info shared is amazing and I think that've put it to good use. You might find out in the coming days :)

It seems you just don’t become like Putin, ever since he was a small boy he already dealt with petty tyrants even if they were no threat to him personally. With this knowledge it should not surprise us that he helps out the weaker people/countries among us by standing up against the psychopathic elite.

What Putin does at an international level seem to be a reflection of what lies in his nature, rising up against bullies and creating harmony. The tyrants on the schoolyard are no different to him than the tyrants on the world stage. Putin really is the man!
 
It's very interesting that a man with a low tolerance for bullies should be leading a world power right at this time when the US has become - and been undeniably seen to be - just such a bully. He also seems to have channeled his physical energy into much more cerebral tactics, such as Russia's collaborations with China and the BRICS accords. Bearing in mind, however, that TPTB are an international bunch, it's doubtful that he became Russia's leader without there being some nefarious purpose lurking in the background. Like pretty much everyone in power, he was sponsored by someone. IMHO, America has good reason to fear Putin - but not for the reasons spouted by the NeoCons. Putin is just the man to help fascist America hang itself without Russia needing to fire a shot by providing strong viable alternatives to current American power-grab tactics. This can be seen in the slow but steady move away from the US dollar being the world's reserve currency that was started by Russia. Digging deeper into the question of Putin's purpose (as far as TPTB are concerned), ultimately he may be in place to provide just enough world stabilization, should the US collapse, for the One World Government to take final control.

Oops! I hope my comments haven't derailed the conversation to the point of being 'noise'. If so, forgive a newbie just developing sea-legs.
 
Cassandane said:
Oops! I hope my comments haven't derailed the conversation to the point of being 'noise'. If so, forgive a newbie just developing sea-legs.

Not to worry, Cassandane. ;)

You might want to compare your opinion with the SOTT article in the Focus section that resulted from the above conversation (just in case you haven't already):

https://www.sott.net/article/372855-Vladimir-Putin-Resistance-Fighter-Against-Imperialism-Savior-of-Syria-and-Beacon-of-Hope

And :welcome: to the forum. :)
 
Palinurus said:
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You might want to compare your opinion with the SOTT article in the Focus section that resulted from the above conversation (just in case you haven't already):

https://www.sott.net/article/372855-Vladimir-Putin-Resistance-Fighter-Against-Imperialism-Savior-of-Syria-and-Beacon-of-Hope

And :welcome: to the forum. :)

I read your article bjorn, it was well researched and I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. Well done!
 
Hi Cassandane

[quote author= Cassandane]Putin is just the man to help fascist America hang itself without Russia needing to fire a shot by providing strong viable alternatives to current American power-grab tactics.[/quote]

[quote author= Cassandane]Digging deeper into the question of Putin's purpose (as far as TPTB are concerned), ultimately he may be in place to provide just enough world stabilization, should the US collapse, for the One World Government to take final control.[/quote]

With any collapse, it’s difficult to see the outcome.

As I see it.

The US seeks unification through domination. (Power grabs like you said) Putin’s Russia seeks unification through mutual cooperation. Where cultural integrity and sovereignty of each country remains intact. It are two polar opposites.

When Putin shared: (It's also in the article shared by Palinurus)

In our opinion, the UN, with its universal legitimacy, must remain the centre of the international system. Our common goal is to raise its authority and effectiveness. There is no alternative to the UN today.

[...]

It is important to combine global interdependence and openness with preserving the unique identity of each nation and each region. We must respect sovereignty as the basis underlying the entire system of international relations.

I think he wants a UN that is effective in mainly performing one task. A combined effort of nations that would make it very hard or even impossible for one nation or several to prey on other countries. In short, a system that would be capable of banishing Imperialism.

So whenever one country tries to dominate another. Whether it’s covertly or openly, scantions, war repayment etc might happen in response. Enough at least to make everyone realize that Imperialism does not pay.

Putin’s Russia cannot do it alone, it must be a group effort. Hence the UN, a body Putin wishes to reinforce and reform as it is the only he sees as being able to guarantee global peace and stability.


[quote author= Cassandane]it's doubtful that he became Russia's leader without there being some nefarious purpose lurking in the background. Like pretty much everyone in power, he was sponsored by someone.[/quote]

I believe that's just your assumptions, unless you’ve evidence to back that up? But I can understand why you said that, the US tries to intervene wherever possible and they succeeded many times. Besides, on another note I think that if the PTB are all that powerful, we would have already had a real one world government in play.

Putin could’ve handed Russia on a silver platter the time he inhered Yeltsin's legacy. Instead he fought hard and brave against the 5th column that had infiltrated and taken control over much of Russia’s power structure.

Further more, what helps when trying to discern between a leader of of conscience, compared to a psychopath in charge, is knowledge about psychopathy

The next characteristics for example are very telling.

Actions speaks for themselves, not words. Psychopaths hide against a mask of sanity but they give themselves away through their deeds.

Secondly,

Psychopaths are impulsive, short sighted and suffer from wishfull thinking. In short they can only basically see what they want to see. Which also explains why the US has worked itself into trillions of dollars of debt by waging (proxy) wars and neglecting its own infrastructure, education systems and social safety nets.

While the West is crumbling apart, Russia and other adult nations in clear contrast are investing trillions in long-term, multi-lateral economic projects.

When Putin took office Russia's GDP was the size of Denmark. This year Russia's GDP will exceed that of Germany. (Becoming the 5th in the world) Also, Russia's debt was 117% compared to the size of it’s economy. Today it’s a mere 9%

While in many western countries this exceed nowadays over 100%

In the end, psychopaths can only destroy, they cannot build a nation. So a group of psychopaths that have taken control over a country is very destructive, for the country itself and other nations they wish to dominate. Eventually, they will destroy themselves.


[quote author= Cassandane]He also seems to have channeled his physical energy into much more cerebral tactics, such as Russia's collaborations with China and the BRICS accords.[/quote]

Well, the other institutions in contrast created by the West, that is, the WTO, the IMF, the Fed and the World Bank operate as sophisticated Mafia-loan sharks, and have a long and consistent history of plundering the nations they claim to help.

That’s why Russia, China and other nations created counterparts. ( If that is what you meant) Now the ''third world'' is actually capable of lending billions if not trillions in investments that actually serve both parties.

This offers the possibility of wealth and prosperity for the whole world. History is literally on the march.


[quote author= Cassandane]Oops! I hope my comments haven't derailed the conversation to the point of being 'noise'. If so, forgive a newbie just developing sea-legs.[/quote]

No, that’s all right. We were wiselike rather skeptical about Putin in the beginning. Just like we are skeptical about most new comers in the global arena. Everything we do here is part of an evolving thinking process and we are still learning to ofcourse :)

I hope my answers helped a bit. And welcome to the forum Cassandane! :welcome:


[quote author= Arwenn]I read your article bjorn, it was well researched and I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. Well done![/quote]

Thank you Arwenn, that said it was also a group effort, I still have much to learn :)
 
Found another mentioning of Putins behaviour countering bullying behaviour as a child in the new two part documentary about him. The specific portion can be found below. His teacher back then is telling a story about her first days in the class and how Putin reacted when his school mates where behaving uncivilized towards her as the new teacher. At some point the teacher also says that Putin was the youngest when they were playing in the schoolyard, around 12, and the others around 16 - 17. He fought back when bullied.


Very interesting documentary with a lot of details about Putins life and that of his siblings and those who interacted with him. Highly recommended!
 
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