The Living Force
lux said:[...] alienation and interpersonal problems stems from not correctly formed psychophysical and interpersonal parts.
I have a very different view of alienation, and do not see it as skewed development nor trauma (which it may however form along with), but in this context, rather something much 'deeper'.
I don't think MariuszJ is genuinely alienated. He seems to be happy to stay within his inner 'comfort zone', not changing anything; but if he had been truly alienated, then there would have been no comfort zone left - there would have been a relentless drive to 'move forwards'. ('Move forwards' to what? It would depend on the degree of knowledge and understanding.)
All in this community who are sincere have, I think, some degree of alienation in common. It's the difference between being 'happy' with the status quo, and not being able to just limply accept making our lives part of it. That goes especially for what is inside, and what our lives represent - as in the question of self-presentation and self-representation that we've been discussing, though this goes far beyond 'symbols' on the surface.
Considering the life, work, and views of Gurdjieff, I think that he was probably one of the most alienated persons in the history of the world. And I think that this was key to the objectivity and dedication to his work which Gurdjieff was able to achieve and sustain. Perhaps alienation is ultimately the only lasting 'cure' for attachment to subjectivity?
I don't think it's a question of wanderers vs. non-wanderers, but rather a question of whether there is something within the self which, in a particular way, is 'sensitive' enough to understand, even if only unconsciously, something of the dark nature of the world around (and within) us, and then to take a stand against that.