Seth's (Jane Roberts) take on Christianity and Paul


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For those who are not familiar with Jane Roberts, she was relatively well known channeller in the 1970's, most of her work revolving around the channeling of the spirit entity Seth. Alot of her work is available on Amazon etc.
This is in no way an attempt to match up to the much more scholarly research into the life and work of Paul evidenced in various threads here.
So just thought its best to have this on its own thread and quote some interesting perspectives from Seth in regard to the Christ event drama.
I'm quoting from Jane Robert's book Seth Speaks, where Seth goes into some details about religion - more-so Christianity. I read this book years back but I find Seth's take is different and original, and I'm just archiving it here because of some interesting things he brings up, especially on how the new era will be based on a new true Christianity, a pivotal part being played by a reincarnated Paul, who is actually, according to Seth, part of the greater Christ soul.
For the records, I'm 100% in on the direction and conclusions from the research posted here and the additional information from the C's Session transcripts and I don't mean to go counter on any of that especially in details regarding the historical Jesus etc

But first, this from the C's worth taking note of:

Session 7 November 1994

Q: (L) Who was Seth, channeled by Jane Roberts?

A: Higher plane earth spirit.

Q: (L) Were the teachings in the Seth material accurate and was that a good source?

A: Yes but rapidly becoming obsolete as you move toward new reality.

Session 10 october 1998

Q: (A) Nothing is certain, but is the concept of probabilities, as it is used in the Seth material, legitimate? Can we speak about probabilities?

A: Yes.

This is extracted from Chapter 21 entitled " Meaning of Religion" starting from Session 585 channeled on May 12 1971.
(This pdf version I'm copy/pasting omits details such as session dates and certain queries/notes made by Robert that came up but they can be found in the hard-copy version)

Here, as an introduction, Seth begins by talking about the process of manifestation from the higher realms to what we perceive here in the corporeal world. There is a vast coordination, of both souls and nature, that goes on behind the scenes that is finally projected out to physicality..

There are internal realizations always present within the whole self. There is
comprehension of the meaning of all existence within each personality. The knowledge
of multidimensional existence is not only in the background of your present conscious
activity, but each man knows within himself that his conscious life is dependent upon a
greater dimension of actuality. This greater dimension cannot be materialized in a
three-dimensional system, yet the knowledge of this greater dimension floods outward
from the innermost heart of being, and is projected outward, transforming all it
This flooding-out imbues certain elements of the physical world with a brilliance and
intensity far surpassing that usually known. Those touched by it are transformed, in
your terms, into something more than they were. This inner knowledge attempts to find
a place for itself within the physical landscape, to translate itself into physical terms.
Each man, then, possesses this inner knowledge within himself, and to some extent or
other he also looks for confirmation of it in the world.
The outer world is a reflection of the inner one, though far from perfect. The inner
knowledge can be compared to a book about a homeland that a traveler takes with him
into a strange country. Each man is born with the yearning to make these truths real
for himself, though he sees a great difference between them and the environment in
which he lives.
An internal drama is carried on by each individual, a psychic drama which is finally
projected outward with great force upon the field of history. The birth of great religious
events emerges from the interior religious drama. The drama itself is a psychological
phenomenon in a way, for each physically oriented self feels thrust alone into a strange
environment, without knowing its origins or destination or even the reason for its own
This is the dilemma of the ego, particularly in its early states. It looks outward for
answers because this is its nature: to manipulate within physical reality. It also senses,
however, a deep and abiding connection that it does not understand, with other
portions of the self
that are not under its domain. It is also aware that this inner self possesses
knowledge upon which its own existence is based.
As it grows, in your terms, it looks outward for confirmation of this inner knowledge.
The inner self upholds the ego with its support. It forms its truths into physically
oriented data with which the ego can deal. It then projects these outward into the area
of physical reality. Seeing these truths thus materialized, the ego then finds it easier to
accept them.
Thus you deal often with events in which men are touched by great illumination,
isolated from the masses of humanity, and endowed with great powers - periods of
history that appear almost unnaturally brilliant in contrast with others; prophets,
geniuses, and kings shown in greater-than-human proportion.
Now these people are chosen by others to manifest outwardly the interior truths that
all intuitively know. There are many levels of significance here. On the one hand, such
individuals receive their unearthly abilities and power from their fellows, contain it,
exhibit it in the physical world for all to see. They play the part of the blessed inner self
that actually cannot operate within physical reality uncloaked by flesh. This energy,
however, is a quite valid projection from the interior self.
The personality so touched by it actually does then become, in certain terms, what
he seems to be. He will emerge as an eternal hero in the external religious drama, as
the inner self is the eternal hero of the interior religious drama.
This mystic projection is a continual activity. When the strength of one great religion
begins to diminish and its physical effects grow less, then the internal drama begins
once again to quicken. The highest of man's aspirations, therefore, will be projected
upon physical history. The dramas themselves will differ. Remember,' they are built up
internally first.
They will be formed to impress world conditions at any given time, and therefore
couched in symbols and events that will most impress the populace. This is craftily
done, for the inner self knows exactly what will impress the ego, and what kinds of
personalities will be best able to personify the message at any given time. When such a
personality appears in history then, he is intuitively recognized, for the way has long
been laid, and in many cases the prophecies announcing such an arrival have already
been given.
The individuals so chosen do not just happen to appear among you. They are not
chosen at random. They are individuals who have taken upon themselves the
responsibility for this role. After their birth they are aware to varying degrees of their
destiny, and certain trigger experiences may at times arouse their full memory.
They serve quite clearly as human representatives of All That Is. Now since each
individual is a part of All That Is, to some extent each of you serve in that same role. In
such a religious drama however, the main personality is much more conscious of his
inner knowledge, more aware of his abilities, far better able to use them, and exultantly
familiar with his relationship to all of life.

Ideas of good and evil, gods and devils, salvation and damnation, are merely symbols
of deeper religious values; cosmic values if you will, that cannot be translated into
physical terms.
These ideas become the driving themes of these religious dramas of which I have
spoken. The actors may "return," time and time again, in different roles. In any given
historic religious drama, therefore, the actors may have already appeared on the
historic scene in your past, the prophet of today being the traitor of the past drama
These psychic entities are real, however. It is quite true to say that their reality
consists not only of the core of their own identity, but also is reinforced by those
projected thoughts and feelings of the earthly audience for whom the drama is enacted.
Psychic or psychological identification is of great import here and is indeed at the
heart of all such dramas. In one sense, you can say that man identifies with the gods he
has himself created. Man does not understand the magnificent quality of his own
inventiveness and creative power, however. Then, say that gods and men create each
other, and you come even closer to the truth; but only if you are very careful in your
definitions - for how, exactly, do gods and men differ?
The attributes of the gods are those inherent within man himself, magnified, brought
into powerful activity. Men believe that the gods live forever. Men live forever, but
having forgotten this, they remember only to endow their gods with this characteristic.
Obviously, then,
and these earthly historic religious dramas, the seemingly recurring tales of gods and
men, there are spiritual realities.
Behind the actors in the dramas, there are more powerful entities who are quite
beyond role-playing. The plays themselves, then, the religions that sweep across the
ages - these are merely shadows, though helpful ones. Behind the frame of good and
evil is a far deeper spiritual value. All religions, therefore, while trying to catch "truth"
must to some large degree fear its ever eluding them.
The inner self alone, at rest, in meditation, can at times glimpse portions of these
inner realities that cannot be physically expressed.
These values, intuitions, or insights
are given each to each according to his understanding, and so the stories told about
them will often vary. he continues to explain on the origin of religion and how the main character takes up the "Main role"
For example, the main character in a religious historical drama may or may not
consciously be aware of the ways in which such information is given to him. And yet it
may seem to him that he does know, for the nature of a dogma's origin will be explained
in terms that this main character can understand.

The main gist of this chapter is about Christ's "second coming".
Seth postulates that the Christian main stream religion now in existence was began by the Christ entity, but since His energy was too vast to be accommodated by a single personality/physical body, he manifested himself simultaneously in three bodies..that of historical Jesus, that of John the Baptist and that of Paul..more on this in the quotation after next...

The quotation below includes what will be achieved the on the second advent of the Christ, and the conditions the world will be in on his arrival, and the New era he will bring in

The historical Jesus knew who he was, but he also knew that he was one of three personalities composing one entity. To a
large extent he shared in the memory of the other two.
The third personality, mentioned many times by me, has not in your terms yet
appeared, although his existence has been prophesied as the "Second Coming". Now
these prophecies were given in terms of the current culture at that time, and therefore,
while the stage has been set, the distortions are deplorable, for this Christ will not come
at the end of your world as the prophecies have been maintaining.
He will not come to reward the righteous and send evildoers to eternal doom. He will,
however, begin a new religious drama
. A certain historical continuity will be
As happened once before, however, he will not be generally known for who
he is. There will be no glorious proclamation to which the whole world will bow. He will
return to straighten out Christianity, which will be in a shambles at the time of his
arrival, and to set up a new system of thought when the world is sorely in need of one.

By that time, all religions will be in severe crisis. He will undermine religious
organizations - not unite them. His message will be that of the individual in relation to
All That Is.
He will clearly state methods by which each individual can attain a state of
intimate contact with his own entity; the entity to some extent being man's mediator
with All That Is.
By 2075, all of this will be already accomplished. The birth will occur by the time
given. The other changes will occur generally over the period of a century, but the
results will show far before that time.
Because of the plastic nature of the future, in your terms, the date cannot be
considered final.
All probabilities point in its direction, however, for the inner impetus is
already forming the events.

You may make a note here that Nostradamus saw the dissolution of the Roman
Catholic Church as the end of the world. He could not imagine civilization without it,
hence many of his later predictions should be read with this in mind.

The third personality of Christ will indeed be known as a great psychic, for it is he
who will teach humanity to use those inner senses that alone make true spirituality
. Slayers and victims will change roles as reincarnational memories rise to the
surface of consciousness. Through the development of these abilities, the sacredness of
all life will be intimately recognized and appreciated.

Now there will be several born before that time who in various ways will rearouse
man's expectations. One such man has already been born in India, in a small province
near Calcutta, but his ministry will seem to remain comparatively local for his lifetime.
Another will be born in Africa, a black man whose main work will be done in
Indonesia. The expectations were set long ago in your terms, and will be fed by new
prophets until the third personality of Christ does indeed emerge.
He will lead man behind the symbolism upon which religion has relied for so many
centuries. He will emphasize individual spiritual experience, the expansiveness of soul,
and teach man to recognize the multitudinous aspects of his own reality

The second coming of Christ will be through the reincarnated portion of the Christ entity, historically know as Paul:
Seth says that reincarnated Paul will come to complete his work.....

The third historical personage, already born in your terms, and a portion of the
entire Christ personality, took upon himself the role of a zealot.
This person had superior energy and power and great organizing abilities, but it was
the errors that he made unwittingly that perpetuated some dangerous distortions. The
records of that historical period are scattered and contradictory.
The man, historically now, was Paul or Saul. It was given to him to set up a
framework. But it was to be a framework of ideas, not of regulations; of men, not of
groups. Here he fell down, and he will return as the third personality, just mentioned,
in your future.

In that respect, however, there are not four personalities. (ed. This is a response to a question brought up by Roberts)

Now Saul went to great lengths to set himself as a separate identity. His
characteristics, for example, were seemingly quite different from those of the historical
Christ. He was "converted" in an intense personal experience - a fact that was meant to
impress upon him the personal and not organizational aspects. Yet some exploits of his
in his earlier life have been attributed to Christ - not as a young man, but earlier.
All personalities have free will and work out their own challenges. The same applied
to Saul. The organizational "distortions," however, were also necessary within the
framework of history as events are understood. Saul's tendencies were known,
therefore, at another level. They served a purpose. It is for this reason, however, that he
will emerge once again, this time to destroy those distortions.
Now he did not create them on his own, and thrust them upon historical reality. He
created them in so far as he found himself forced to admit certain facts: In that world at
that time, earthly power was needed to hold Christian ideas apart from numberless
other theories and religions, to maintain them in the middle of warring factions.
It was
his job to form a physical framework; and even then he was afraid that the framework
would strangle the ideas, but he saw no other way.

When the third personality reemerges historically, however, he will not be called the
old Paul, but will carry within him the characteristics of all the three personalities.
Paul tried to deny knowing who he was, until his experience with conversion.
Allegorically, he represented a warring faction of the self that fights against his own
knowledge and is oriented in a highly physical manner. It seemed he went from one
extreme to another, being against Christ and then for him. But the inner vehemence
was always present, the inner fire, and the recognition that he tried for so long to hide.
His was the portion that was to deal with physical reality and manipulation, and so
these qualities were strong in him. To some extent they overruled him. When the
historical Christ "died," Paul was to implement the spiritual ideas in physical terms, to
carry on. In so doing, however, he grew the seeds of an organization that would smother
the ideas. He lingered after Christ, [just] as John the Baptist came before. Together the
three spanned some time period, you see.

John and the historical Christ each performed their roles and were satisfied that
they had done so. Paul alone was left at the end unsatisfied, and so it is about his
personality that the future Christ will form.
The entity of which these personalities are part, that entity which you may call the
Christ entity, was aware of these issues. The earthly personalities were not aware of
them, although in periods of trance and exaltation much was made known to them.
Paul also represented the militant nature of man, that had to be taken into
consideration in line with man's development at the time. That militant quality in man
will completely change its nature, and be dispensed with as you know it, when the next
Christ personality emerges. It is therefore appropriate that Paul be present.

Next Seth gives a beautiful exposition on the effects of this New Christianity and the effects it will have on the populace of the world..more or less a description of a world approacing or in 4D..

In the next century, the inner nature of man, with these developments, will free itself
from many constraints that have bound it. A new era will indeed begin - not, now, a
heaven on earth, but a far more sane and just world, in which man is far more aware of
his relationship with his planet and of his freedom within time.
I would like to make certain points clear. The "new religion" following the Second
Coming will not be Christian in your terms, although the third personality of Christ will
initiate it.
This personality will refer to the historical Christ, will recognize his relationship with
that personality; but within him the three personality groupings will form a new psychic
entity, a different psychological gestalt. As this metamorphosis takes place, it will
initiate a metamorphosis on a human level also, as man's inner abilities are accepted
and developed.
The results will be a different kind of existence. Many of your problems now result
from spiritual ignorance. No man will look down upon an individual from another race
when he himself recognizes that his own existence includes such membership also.
No sex will be considered better than the other, or any role in society, when each
individual is aware of his own or her own experience at many levels of society and in
many roles. An open-ended consciousness will feel its connections with all other living
beings. The continuity of consciousness will become apparent. As a result of all this the
social and governmental structures will change, for they are based upon your current
Human personality will reap benefits that now would seem unbelievable. An open ended consciousness
will imply far greater freedom. From birth, children will be taught
that basic identity is not dependent upon the body, and that time as you know it is an
illusion. The child will be aware of many of its past existences, and will be able to
identify with the old man or woman that in your terms it will become.
Many of the lessons "that come with age" will then be available to the young, but the
old will not lose the spiritual elasticity of their youth. This itself is important. But for
some time, future incarnations will still be hidden for practical reasons.
As these changes come about, new areas will be activated in the brain to physically
take care of them. Physically then, brain mappings will be possible in which past life
memories are evoked. All of these alterations are spiritual changes in which the
meaning of religion will escape organizational bounds, become a living part of individual
existence, and where psychic frameworks rather than physical ones form the
foundations for civilization.

Man's experience will be so extended that to you the species will seem to have
changed into another. This does not mean there will not be problems. It does mean that
man will have far greater resources at his command. It also presupposes a richer and
far more diverse social framework. Men and women will find themselves relating to their
brethren, not only as the people that they are, but as the people that they were.
Family relationships will show perhaps the greatest changes. There will be room for
emotional interactions within the family that are now impossible. The conscious mind
will be more aware of unconscious material.
I am including this information in this chapter on religion because it is important
that you realize that spiritual ignorance is at the basis of so many of your problems,
and that indeed your only limitations are spiritual ones.

The metamorphosis mentioned earlier on the part of the third personality, will have
such strength and power that it will call out from mankind these same qualities from
within itself. The qualities have always been present. They will finally break through the
veils of physical perception, extending that perception in new ways.
Now, mankind lacks such a focus. The third personality will represent that focus.
There will be, incidentally, no crucifixion in that drama. That personality will indeed be
multidimensional, aware of all its incarnations. It will not be oriented in terms of one
sex, one color, or one race.
For the first time, therefore, it will break through the earthly concepts of personality,
liberating personality. It will have the ability to show these diverse effects as it chooses.
There will be many who will be afraid to accept the nature of their own reality, or to be
shown the dimensions of true identity.

For several reasons, as mentioned by Ruburt (Jane), I do not want to give any more detailed
information as to the name that will be used, or the land of birth. Too many might be
tempted to jump into that image prematurely.
Events are not predestined. The framework for this emergence has already been set,
however, within your system of probabilities. The emergence of this third personality
will directly affect the original historical drama of Christ as it is now known. There is
and must be interactions between them.
The exterior religious dramas are of course imperfect representations of the ever unfolding interior
spiritual realities. The various personages, the gods and prophets
within religious history - these absorb the mass inner projections thrown out by those
inhabiting a given time span.
Such religious dramas focus, direct, and, hopefully, clarify aspects of inner reality
that need to be physically represented. These do not only appear within your own
system. Many are also projected into other systems of reality. Religion per se, however,
is always the external facade of inner reality. The primary spiritual existence alone gives
meaning to the physical one. In the most real terms, religion should include all of the
pursuits of man in his search for the nature of meaning and truth. Spirituality cannot
be some isolated, specialized activity or characteristic.
Exterior religious dramas are important and valuable only to the extent that they
faithfully reflect the nature of inner, private spiritual existence. To the extent that a
man feels that his religion expresses such inner experience, he will feel it valid. Most
religions per se, however, set up as permissible certain groups of experiences while
denying others. They limit themselves by applying the principles of the sacredness of
life only to your own species, and often to highly limited groups within it.
At no time will any given church be able to express the inner experience of all
. At no time will any church find itself in a position in which it can effectively
curtail the inner experience of its members - it will only seem to do so.
The forbidden
experiences will simply be unconsciously expressed, gather strength and vitality, and
rise up to form a counter projection which will then form another, newer exterior
religious drama.
The dramas themselves do express certain inner realities, and they serve as surface
reminders to those who do not trust direct experience with the inner self. They will take
the symbols as reality. When they discover that this is not so, they feel betrayed. Christ
spoke in terms of the father and son because in your terms, at that time, this was the
method used - the story he told to explain the relationship between the inner self and
the physically alive individual. No new religion really startles anyone, for the drama has
already been played subjectively.
What I have said, of course, applies as much to Buddha as it does to Christ: Both
accepted the inner projections and then tried to physically represent these. They were
more, however, than the sum of those projections. This also should be understood.
Mohammedanism fell far short. In this case the projections were of violence
predominating. Love and kinship were secondary to what indeed amounted to baptism
and communion through violence and blood............

Attached is the complete Chapter quoted from....
( I Hope the font size is okay...was having some issues adjusting it )


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