Solioonensius - Gurdjieff

[Ðekel]

He speaks of appearances of the Absolute or God coming into the solar system which one can tune into; and, if several people tune into it together they can co-operate and be energized together. But he was always very careful about this. He had to hide it amongst his writings because he always saw the tendency of all of us to fantasize about it, to make something weird and wonderful about it.

Are we entering a time when accellerated spiritual development is possible? In Gurdjieff's teaching we find a union of the cosmological side of things and the inner-world psychological side of things that I am not aware of in any other teachings, at least not to this refined a degree. He would say that, yes, there are cosmological events like the "SOLIOONENSIUS" where inner development may be speeded up, but it is to no ultimate avail without one's speeding up one's inner conscious work. In other words, nothing is to be brought to you on a silver platter. You must make conscious efforts.

Gurdjieff's book, All and Everything was not really to show how clever Gurdjieff was at understanding the laws of the universe. Its purpose was to completely freak out your mind. He delved to the limit of what you could think, just right to the edge of what you could possibly conceive of. That was the point of the book. Take your thinking as far as you can. It cleans you out.

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i've often felt, personally, that one of the functions of The Wave series was to offer the reader a tool that could be utilized to thoroughly clean out their sub/unconcious.

 

[anart]

i've often felt, personally, that one of the functions of The Wave series was to offer the reader a tool that could be utilized to thoroughly clean out their sub/unconcious.

I don't think so. The C's have implied that how a person experiences the Wave depends on the person - their own development/FRV/assumptions/understanding. If this is the case, the Wave isn't going to do anything 'for us' - it is - as always - up to each of us to develop enough to ride the Wave and not be pulled under by it, hypothetically speaking.

 

[Ðekel]

i understand. i don't think our concepts necessarily clash.

maybe by emptying the mind of its old concepts, it can start to think in ways that are less limited or less based in limitation.

what i mean to say is; emptying the old content, the old ways of thinking; perhaps a type of preparatory work to be able to ride the Wave and not 'go under' it...

and btw- i wrote 'one of the functions' so it was not an attempt to close anything inside a box.

 

[stainlesssteve]

Solioonensius, as I recall, is represented in Beelzebub as a particular relationship of the planets in our Solar system; as I understand, it is conducive to a state of sadness highly valued by seekers. I got a whiff of this around the 2004 Christmas tsunami, when an inexplicable intense sadness came over me for three days. By the end of this, I was questioning whether I could get through another day. I was stopped in my tracks! Subsequent events brought relief, and an understanding of why this ordeal is highly valued.

 

[Psalehesost]

i've often felt, personally, that one of the functions of The Wave series was to offer the reader a tool that could be utilized to thoroughly clean out their sub/unconcious.

I don't think so. The C's have implied that how a person experiences the Wave depends on the person - their own development/FRV/assumptions/understanding. If this is the case, the Wave isn't going to do anything 'for us' - it is - as always - up to each of us to develop enough to ride the Wave and not be pulled under by it, hypothetically speaking.

transientP seems to have referred to the books (see words: 'series', 'reader'), not the phenomenon also called The Wave.

And as such, in that context, I think he may be right, at least as concerns a fair portion of it. Laura seems to suggest that in her remark in one part that she (following the analogy of the shamanic initiation) is stripping 'the bones' of the reader 'bare' - challenging the assumptions and old ways of thinking. And in general, that has also proven itself to be a function of the other writings produced by the team.

 

[Ðekel]

Psalehesost,

yes, thanks. i did mean reading material itself and not the 'event'.

though i was missing your specific correlation between the perceived 'cleaning out' of the sub/unconscious to 'stripping the bones bare', so thanks for that connection. :)

 

[whitecoast]

Solioonensius, as I recall, is represented in Beelzebub as a particular relationship of the planets in our Solar system; as I understand, it is conducive to a state of sadness highly valued by seekers. I got a whiff of this around the 2004 Christmas tsunami, when an inexplicable intense sadness came over me for three days. By the end of this, I was questioning whether I could get through another day. I was stopped in my tracks! Subsequent events brought relief, and an understanding of why this ordeal is highly valued.

Interesting. I had a rather intense spiritual moment right around this time... December 23rd if I recall. I felt thunderstruck, but I couldn't describe just what I learned (but that could just have been my mind's self-importance protesting though). G also said we are composed of different planetary influences, so maybe our composition also indicates what types of planetary interactions or alignments we respond to?

 

[Ðekel]

whitecoast,

G also said we are composed of different planetary influences, so maybe our composition also indicates what types of planetary interactions or alignments we respond to?

may very well be. well the sun affects all life on earth to very very large extent, even if only a physical one.

 

[paralleloscope]

There's also a mention in 'Struggle of the magicians' from a (1948) letter by Bennet

I am equally certain that within two or three years we shall enter that period of acute nervous tension which which Gurdjieff called 'soloonensius'. Such periods induce intense incentive to work in those who are capable of it, but they engender madness in those who have lost touch with the real aim of life. Whenever the process of Solioonensius occurs on earth, a state of tension is created in which it is impossible for people to exist like cows. They have either to work on themselves or they begin "to destroy everything within sight." As I understand it, the next Solioonensius will be the most intense of all. As an outcome, either mankind will change to a different mode of existence or there will occur the most terrible process of mutual destruction...

I think Gurdjieff saw the wave but didn't see it culminating just yet (back then). Where as Bennet was very drawn to the idea, his imagination seemed to be continuosly spinning around it, projecting the end coming every few years and whimsically preparing for it.