Spirituality and the ASD spectrum

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TomSquared

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I'm new here and if I'm doing something wrong let me know, but I have a question -

What is the spiritual/metaphysical component of autism and aspergers? I'm asking here because I want to see what the Cassiopeians have to say on it. If people aren't born randomly and their souls actually choose what kind of incarnations they have, why would anyone choose to be autistic? What is there to learn from having an obsessive, intellectual perspective that makes socialising so difficult?

Are we a special "breed" of people with a deeper reason for being here other than a learning difficulty or what? Are we a form of those "organic portals" you spoke of a while ago?

What is autism on a non-physical, higher-density perspective?
 

bjorn

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Hi TomSquared

It is encouraged to introduce yourself in the Newbies section of the forum. It helps us to get to know you. :) Nothing personal need be posted, just a bit about you, how you found the forum and what you have read so far concerning Laura's work.


[quote author= TomSquared]I'm asking here because I want to see what the Cassiopeians have to say on it.[/quote]

I don't believe the Cassies ever said something about it? Or ever will, but if it helps, here is my take on it. Because sometimes I wonder about the same.


[quote author= TomSquared]What is the spiritual/metaphysical component of autism and aspergers? I'm asking here because I want to see what the Cassiopeians have to say on it. If people aren't born randomly and their souls actually choose what kind of incarnations they have, why would anyone choose to be autistic? What is there to learn from having an obsessive, intellectual perspective that makes socialising so difficult?[/quote]

I don't know. Perhaps it forces a person to ask questions about life that normally wouldn't occur by default. Being obsessive is suffering. If you don't want to keep on suffering. You have to find a way out, which requires and offers deeper insight about our Being.

Maybe something like that. I don't get the whole point of it either.


[quote author= TomSquared]Are we a special "breed" of people with a deeper reason for being here other than a learning difficulty or what? Are we a form of those "organic portals" you spoke of a while ago?[/quote]

I don't know, but I think for many people, autism occurs though the horrible possible effects caused by vaccines, pesticides and though our toxic environment in general. Which could mean a violation of free will, and a painfull life ahead. Something 4STS certainly benefits from. (Don't know if you read the whole wave series, otherwise it might be a bit confusing what I tried to say here)


Sorry I can't really answer your questions. But Iodine can be somewhat helpfull to lessen autistic tendencies. For that I think the following thread is helpfull, something that need to be read carefully: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13371.0

This video is also excellent if you aren't familiar with Iodine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58VAgCTXHPE
 

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Hi TomSquared,

If there is in fact any spiritual or metaphysical reason why some people suffer from ASD I guess it's the same as with any other difficulty: this is just something to struggle with and learn through. And you yourself indicated what that struggle is for people with ASD it in your post:

TomSquared said:
(...) What is there to learn from having an obsessive, intellectual perspective that makes socialising so difficult? (...)
So what have you learned from that so far?


As for ASD sufferers being OPs:

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=21637.0 (Session 13 July 2002)
Q: (L) I would say that the chief thing they are saying is that the really good ones - you could never tell except by long observation. The one key we discovered from studying psychopaths was that their actions do not match their words. But what if that is a symptom of just being weak and having no will? (A) How can I know if I have a soul?

A: Do you ever hurt for another?
(...)
So do you ever hurt for another TomSquared?

Of course that's a tough question to answer objectively. I myself have wondered whether what I'd classify as hurting for another is really that? Maybe other people experience empathy much more deeply and mine is just a shallow reflection of what this emotion really is? I guess you're not the only one here who has wondered about being an OP :)


Not to mention that sometimes a soul just goes for whatever it can get rather than having an opportunity to design a set of life circumstances and lessons for itself. As explained here:

Chu said:
(...) (T)here is also the possibility which was given by the Cs once, that "you get what you can get" when you come into this world. Say for example that you are a soul in transit, and you need a certain genetic combination, but that the family you will be born into is horrible in many aspects. Well, you get what you can get. So, just because a child is born, it doesn't necessarily mean that they CHOSE those parents in the full sense of the word. Maybe they saw that you may be "good" for them to learn really tough lessons, or simply for a genetic profile, or for selfish reasons because those souls haven't had enough of this density. (...)

Also, like bjorn said:

bjorn said:
(...) I don't know, but I think for many people, autism occurs though the horrible possible effects caused by vaccines, pesticides and though our toxic environment in general. (...)
Is it possible that this is what caused your condition?
 

Curious Beagle

Padawan Learner
I think it has to do with your soul vibration. your body is your vessel serve your mind(emotion included) serve spirit. I don't know you very well to make any personal comment. But if you have severe imbalance maybe you should purify or meditate on it (I posted pathwork in books sections very useful). It is said if you almost graduate in 3d (karma payment time you don't do evil but target of evil/learn forgiveness), you will naturally very loving and truthful (unwilling to be harmful) but you still have traces of desire to be cruel or can be distracted by material things (revenge, blame etc). Explanation, lucifer/evil can't influence your free will to do evil (kill, steal, etc) but arihman/material will still be able to influence you (technology, sex, food, etc) so you are too distracted for personal development or return to heaven. Not a lot of things will get to you because happiness is inside not cause by external events. Everything that happen has a purpose and you need to learned it (knowledge, not just intellectually reading book). Remember due to separation you need to re balance your 7 chakras. Your action, thought and emotion should be align/non distorted. Emotion+ right knowing+ will create your intention so everything matter (thinking inside your head or emotion matter more than action) . If your intention is driven by darkness quite different result compare to love. If you are too aggressive & controlling (manipulating) very different with apathy/passive. I hope it help :)
 

monotonic

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I think one aspect is that the social difficulties make it harder to be swept up in the flow of life. I think it was Ra that mentioned some higher-density beings incarnating despite the risk of getting swept up in the confluence of life on earth. Social awkwardness helps a bit with this problem, and perhaps the downside of difficulty in connecting with others was considered to be less of a risk?

It make me think of something that's been going through my head recently. I suspect that true conscience would perhaps by necessity change our social programs inside and out, and perhaps the goal of ASD suffers should be to get their conscience running. But I guess that just applies to everyone?
 
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TomSquared

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Hmmmm. I've thought long and hard about being able to "hurt for another" and I can't really say for sure. The best answer I can come up with is something like "Kind of, but not really".

As a kid I used to get upset to a massive extent really easily - I remember plenty of embarrassing situations during my childhood, like when we were showed the titanic movie before we broke up for holidays and I cried my eyes out. Or each time I heard a baby crying it would make me cry too. I've no idea if it's to do with empathy or just being upset from having my own comfort infringed upon, but hey.

I actually went through a phase as a teenager where I hated being so sensitive to everything, so I made a point to watch as much nasty stuff on the internet as I could to desensitise myself to it all and it actually worked. Now, the best I can do in terms of empathy is when I see someone suffering I try to imagine how I felt when I had that same problem. But having said that, there have been countless times where I come across as blunt and uncaring and it's caused a lot of issues within friendships that I now don't have.

So I don't know, maybe I'm here to learn empathy? I feel like a flesh robot a lot of the time, like I'm not "supposed" to be here. On Earth.

As for the "vaccines causing autism" thing - I have no idea. Some say it's a myth and that there have been studies done to disprove it, but if there *is* some kind of conspiracy behind it - that it actually causes autism and aspergers as a way of making people's lives difficult - then I wouldn't entirely dismiss it. Looking at statistics for things like unemployment and suicide, I'd say people on the spectrum are more easily affected by bullying and segregation.

But aside from all that - (I read the books "Conversations with God) a lot - on some level of awareness above what I have now I *chose* this. Why? Is there a way I can find out or do I just have to keep sucking and being alone until I find out there's more to my life than playing videogames and growing pumpkins in the back garden?
 

chaps23

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But aside from all that - (I read the books "Conversations with God) a lot - on some level of awareness above what I have now I *chose* this. Why? Is there a way I can find out or do I just have to keep sucking and being alone until I find out there's more to my life than playing videogames and growing pumpkins in the back garden?

You're never alone @TomSquared. Thats why you found this place. I know its been a while since this was posted. But i do hope you have found what you were looking for.

Perhaps "needing" to know why was half the issue. You might search your whole life trying to find an answer to a question that is irrelevant to your growth (since its likely you made the choice and therefore will find out back on the 5th). Or perhaps everything happens for a reason and seeking this answer will/has opened new doors for you.

Life is lessons is it not? Perspective is everything. There is much to learn from suffering be it karmic or otherwise as the guys here said. Heres a little quote from the c's last century that i remind myself, my friends & my family about often.
Session= October 10, 1998
Q: (L) I have known a lot of people who had pain who are just unhappy people.
A: But why unhappy? Think, my dear… and remember, your consciousness operates on four levels, not just one! Physical body, consciousness, genetic body and spirit-etheric body.

Q: (L) Are those the four composites of the human manifestation in third density?
A: 3rd and 4th. One leads oneself, through physical actions, as well as psychic ones, to develop these “problems” when one is preparing to “bump it up” a notch.
Regards, Brent

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TomSquared

You were probably clairsentient, and you desensitise yourself.
That was not a realy smart thing to do, although i can understand.

I have asperger too, and what i learned is, that its not a handicap, but a gift, if you know how too use it.
And if you understand what it means.
We are way more sensitive in all aspects, i think you already noticed that.
Because our society is so messed up, we also have trouble communicating, because what "normal" people consider normal in this society is far from normal.
What they consider normal communication, is painful communication for us, it hurts our feelings.
I personally have no trouble with eye contact.
On the contrary, I use it to fathom people whether I can trust them or not.
eyes say a lot about someone.
If you have trouble with eye contact, try it and use it to your benefit.
After a while you learn how to read eyes, and it will save you from a lot of grief and suffering, because you become less cheated, because you can immediately expose wrong people, and kick them out of your life.

And everyone has strong and weak qualities, including "normal" people.
But do you have any idea what your brain is capable of?
You can link your brain functions, and improve a weak quality with a good quality.
For example, my motor skills are weak, but I have a very fast response.
And if, for example, I drop a glass, I immediately catch it again.
A weak characteristic of mine is math, but a strong one is logic.
And by linking logic to math, I can do math a bit better.
And language is a strong quality of mine.
I am Dutch and write and speak English fluently as you can see, lol

If more comes to mind, I'll post it.
Or if you have questions, just ask them.

Greetings Els.
 

Franco

Jedi Master
I was going to say what Jasphoria said above. The C's told Laura that to be sensitive/psychic your actual nervous system is more sensitive which is part of the issue with autism and adhd.

It seems like a double edged sword, you can't be psychically sensitive without having a sensitive nervous system, so it guess it's how and when you use it and for what purpose. Balance must usually be the most important goal which is a constant task everyone must do including the C's.

The difference between adhd and autism is there is effective medication for adhd when needed, a lot of neurofeedback is focused on improving autism though. I'm diagnosed with adhd but my brain scans show patterning towards asd currently along with the high theta and high high beta for adhd, eyes closed and open makes no difference for me.

There's definitely things we are much better at than the average person and others we struggle with, when I'm sick and tired I could read very technical writing from computers to philosophy to Laura's work and I don't get tired.

Doing boring repetitive work where I don't learn anything new will tire me out quickly as does dealing with negative emotions off others.
 

Chrístofir

Padawan Learner
So I don't know, maybe I'm here to learn empathy? I feel like a flesh robot a lot of the time, like I'm not "supposed" to be here. On Earth.
Hello!

It's a pity TomSquared does not seem to still be a part of the forum as far as I can gather. Yet, I'm going to share my reflections after having read through the thread. This thread began in 2017, and I guess since then some development and inner reflections and insights may have happened in his life concerning his initial query.

So, according to him, he desensitized himself because he was under the impression it was difficult and embarrasing for him to handle his sensitivity. Why difficult? Why embarrasing? To me the reason why he chose this action is a crucial one. Why was it so hard for him to be sensitive? And does he know how his mindset was working at the time in order to find sensitivity such a burden? What, and/or who, gave him the idea that desensitizing himself, ridding him of an inherently sound sensitivity was such a good idea?

If one has deliberately desensitized oneself, it's also possible to re-sensitize oneself.

What is his lesson being sensitive? And what is his lesson desensitizing himself?

And what exactly is a diagnosis? The Universe has no diagnoses, because everything is lessons. Only society has a need to categorize in terms of diagnoses. And what kind of a society is it we're talking about? The malign, ponerised society or the benign, empathic? What purpose does a ASD diagnosis serve the individual vs. what purpose does it serve society to put such a diagnosis, that label, on someone?

It seems to me that by shutting off that which seems to be his very lesson by using his free will to give in to "circumstances" desensitizing himself, he actually did the opposite of what he was thinking he was doing. What he in fact did was to put an even stronger emphasis on his lesson, i e sensitivity, and everything connected to this topic, where empathy is one part.

And thus he plunged himself into a "new" lesson, but in effect on the same theme, to experience the flip side of sensitivity, and having to examine being desensitized as another way to come to grips with the nature of his lesson. The lesson of finding out the nature of sensitivity by putting oneself in a situation where one tries to cut oneself off of it in order to be putting an even stronger focus on it.

One cannot escape one's lessons. No matter what one does to avoid it, the lesson keeps popping up, because the lesson is the reason why we're here on Earth. And if trying to escape the true purpose of one's lesson, that may be the reason why he was feeling like he was not "supposed" to be here on Earth, and that feeling is a key to understanding the true meaning of his lesson.

So, now that he has experienced both sides of the coin, would he be able to tell what sensitivity is and the full nature of his lesson?

And what does it mean to inflict on oneself the cutting off of sensitivity? From what kind of mindset is this impulse originating? Under what influence? (I'm not asking for myself, I would have loved to hear his reasoning)

What his approach to the above reflections would be, we won't find out. But I'm sharing this nevertheless because my reflections may be relevant to someone else reading.

Thank You!
 

mb

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Interesting. I don't drop by often anymore, but I peeked at this thread because of the title. To my knowledge, autism/autistic spectrum is somewhat associated with lack of spirituality. I am on the spectrum evidently because of birth trauma -- brain damage during birth -- and I certainly don't experience such a lack.

I am surprised at TomSquared's efforts to desensitize himself. I have done that very selectively myself, and primarily with sensory overload issues. For example, I have been working with elementary school kids for the past year, and I had to desensitize myself to the loud noises they make by immersing myself in the environment and focusing on what I was there to do. Single focus -- call it obsession if you'd like (I prefer "hyper-focus) -- is the key, and the effect seems to be temporary for as long as the focus lasts. It takes practice.

To do something like TomSquared did is unthinkable to me. If he really did that, I think there must have been something more going on than "desensitization." I'm not sure what to call it or what would be altered, but I am careful not to go there. I avoid direct desensitizing influences, although I might study them indirectly. Being overly sensitive to the point of obsession (now I am talking about obsession, not hyper-focus, and not compulsion) is a pain, but a useful one. If one is thinking only of oneself, I can see "wanting to make the pain go away," and what trouble that might lead to.

If one's focus is service to others then the usefulness becomes apparent, as long as the tendency toward obsession is recognized and dealt with. When I work with other people closely, I tell them about it and ask them to say something if I start to go overboard. It seems to work. I don't need to explain that I tend to see differently -- they already know that.

I find that I have to center my life around a spiritual practice. There are so many things off-kilter about this body that I wouldn't be able to stand it otherwise. But in the right interior context, it can be beneficial. I have experimented with different things over the years, finally coming home to a different version of what I started out with, similar in outward appearance but different in what goes on inside. It's not a practice that would seem to be held in particularly high regard in this forum, and I will leave it at that. But always it has been important to practice something, which leads to something else, which leads to something else. I don't imagine that I am at the end of it yet.
 

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For example, I have been working with elementary school kids for the past year, and I had to desensitize myself to the loud noises they make by immersing myself in the environment and focusing on what I was there to do. Single focus -- call it obsession if you'd like (I prefer "hyper-focus) -- is the key, and the effect seems to be temporary for as long as the focus lasts. It takes practice.
I've got ear issues - at one time an ENT proposed hyperacusis, but I don't think it's that when I read first hand accounts from hyperacusis sufferers. A more recent ENT suggested that since I used to have migraines up until my teens, I probably have silent migraines. Apparently that can happen with chronic migraines - you don't get the pain so much any more, but you get the other symptoms like noise and light sensitivity, .

I only bring this up because of something that I've found helpful with mitigating noise sensitivity. An audiologist suggested I try custom ear plugs - they very similar to musicians ear plugs if not exactly the same. They are moulded to the shape of your ear canal and are made from clear silicon so they are very discreet and much more comfortable to wear than any other ear plug that I've tried. They also have attenuators/or filters. They don't block noise entirely, but they mute and filter background noise. There is also a selection of the strength of attenuators/filters. I've found them to bring a great deal of comfort to environments that I was very uncomfortable in - some that I didn't realise that were uncomfortable, like the hardware shop, until after I got the ear plugs - there were some 'wow' moments. You do hear internal noises like the sounds of breathing or joints creaking etc more clearly though.

I've worn them driving and found that I can still hear things like car horns and sirens, but the drone of road noise, the engine of the car and air conditioner etc is muted to a more comfortable level. For conversations in noising places, I've found it easier to hear someone who is talking to me if they are facing me because the back ground noise is muted. This is with the 25db attenuator/filter though you can get various attenuators/filters to suit various environments.

Maybe you'd find them helpful. The ones I have are similar to the ones in the link below, though I had them made up by the Audiologist so they took care of taking the imprint of my ear canals. I also had them joined by an approx 20cm clear plastic cord so they're not so easy to lose. This goes around the back of my neck under my hair.

 

mb

The Living Force
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That's interesting too. Thanks! Those might help onstage, too. I'm planning to see an audiologist soon -- the hearing started going when I turned 69.

I've got ear issues - at one time an ENT proposed hyperacusis, but I don't think it's that when I read first hand accounts from hyperacusis sufferers. A more recent ENT suggested that since I used to have migraines up until my teens, I probably have silent migraines. Apparently that can happen with chronic migraines - you don't get the pain so much any more, but you get the other symptoms like noise and light sensitivity, .

I only bring this up because of something that I've found helpful with mitigating noise sensitivity. An audiologist suggested I try custom ear plugs - they very similar to musicians ear plugs if not exactly the same. They are moulded to the shape of your ear canal and are made from clear silicon so they are very discreet and much more comfortable to wear than any other ear plug that I've tried. They also have attenuators/or filters. They don't block noise entirely, but they mute and filter background noise. There is also a selection of the strength of attenuators/filters. I've found them to bring a great deal of comfort to environments that I was very uncomfortable in - some that I didn't realise that were uncomfortable, like the hardware shop, until after I got the ear plugs - there were some 'wow' moments. You do hear internal noises like the sounds of breathing or joints creaking etc more clearly though.

I've worn them driving and found that I can still hear things like car horns and sirens, but the drone of road noise, the engine of the car and air conditioner etc is muted to a more comfortable level. For conversations in noising places, I've found it easier to hear someone who is talking to me if they are facing me because the back ground noise is muted. This is with the 25db attenuator/filter though you can get various attenuators/filters to suit various environments.

Maybe you'd find them helpful. The ones I have are similar to the ones in the link below, though I had them made up by the Audiologist so they took care of taking the imprint of my ear canals. I also had them joined by an approx 20cm clear plastic cord so they're not so easy to lose. This goes around the back of my neck under my hair.

 
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