Star-Faring Civilizations Map

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The Living Force
Star-Faring Civilizations Map:

Would the C's be so kind and mark the "major" star faring civilizations operating nowadays in the Milky Way galaxy? Indicating approximate regions or sectors of space is perfect. Within +/-100 years of our time (past, present, future) is okay, as much as it can be loosely translated into linear time.

For a choice of convenience I have prepared two - A4 printable size - maps in faint grey, so we can see black marks drawn on them. Use the links to download.

The constellation map, because people know it well and the Milky Way map, if the C's prefer that. Marking this way can give approximations, since the maps cannot represent depth in space.

Print these two out please. If the C's agree to draw points, grab with the planchette and stick the marker to the paper to draw a fat point or draw a circle. A fat felt marker pen is ideal, since a touch is enough to leave a visible mark.

Scan in the resulting drawing please or make a hi-res photo, then I can 'precision place' the marks back onto the color originals and post it here.

Milky Way map:
http://oi59.tinypic.com/11kw0ad.jpg
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Constellation map:
http://oi58.tinypic.com/5u2xkz.jpg
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Why on earth do you want this information? What will you do with it? Why does it matter? Do you plan on visiting these star systems? Sending them a radio message? What if their location is in "another realm"?

I am not at all getting your point, but it seems like you are thinking about this from a strictly Hollywood aliens perspective and not from the "infinite possibilities" perspective that the Cs constantly mention.
 
Hi,

Not really sure about the practical use you can make about such information. You could refine your question by specifying which densities are to be taken into account.
And even with such a criteria, the answer could be variable and potentially infinite. It reminds me of the following quote from the C's:

Q: (L) Are there any positive Extra-terrestrials from the
area of Sirius interacting with human beings at the
present time?

A: Well, now! First off, it is important
for you to know that the term you use: Extra Terrestrial,
which of course, is one of the most correct terms used at
your level, all that is NOT of the Earth is Extra-
Terrestrial. And, for those on your surface earth
environment to refer to themselves as the supreme species,
or alone in the universe, or the one and only in the
cosmos, is laughable in the extreme. It is akin to a
microbe on a grain of sand referring to itself as the only
form of life on the beach. Would it not? Now, when you
ask are there any beings in the vicinity of Sirius, it
would be something like that same microbe, located on the
grain of sand, on the beach, which is, of course, but one
of the beaches located on the surface of the earth, after
all, asking if there is, in fact, any life located over in
the vicinity of that seashell...


Q: (L) But I asked if there were any interacting with
Earth...

A: And we are answering that question. We have
chosen to take this opportunity to put things into better
focus for you, and we are hoping that these messages will be
heard by others, and not just you. While YOU may understand
these concepts perfectly well, not all do. Certainly you
know that? Therefore, that is why we are giving this
information. Now, to answer your question: Are there any
beings who reside in the vicinity of Sirius who are
positively oriented, or STO as it were, again it is
difficult to answer that because we do not know how to
define the "vicinity of Sirius." But, if you mean within
a light year or so of Sirius, as you measure distance,
then we can say there are no such beings in that area in
3rd density. But that leaves open 4th through 6th
density. So, you see, as you already know, but we wish to
reinforce this, there is so much to contemplate here that
it is laughable when those around you refer to certain
areas or star systems and claim that there are beings from
here or there or wherever, and that their objective is
this or that or the other. Because if you knew the TRUE
nature of the universe, of All of the universe, of all
possible realms, you would also know that any and all
things are possible, and, in fact, DO exist! You must
NOT forget this.


Q: (L) So, in other words, these people are right?

A: All of these people are right, and all of these people are
wrong. Because it is silly to point to some section of
the sky, to ascribe any area as being the "Home" of this
that or the other.

Q: (L) But what if that is, in fact, the case? The Orions
live in some star system in Orion, right?

A: So are you.

Q: (L) Well, we aren't living there now!

A: That's not the point. If you were to stay in 3rd density
and view your star, which you know as the sun, from
another point in your galaxy, it would appear to be a part
of the Orion system. Would it not?

Q: (L) Probably.

A: Well, now perhaps you are beginning to understand what we
are talking about??? At one level, and in one sense.

Q: (L) Well, how do these beings get here crossing such vast
reaches of space?

A: As we have told you, there are seven levels of density
which involves, among other things, not only state of
being physically, spiritually and etherically, and
materially, but also, more importantly, state of
awareness. You see, state of awareness is the key element
to all existence in creation. You have undoubtedly
remembered that we have told you that this is, after all,
a grand illusion, have you not? So, therefore, if it is a
grand illusion, what is more important, physical structure
or state of awareness???

Q: (L) State of awareness?

A: Exactly. Now, when we go from the measuring system, which
of course has been nicely formulated so that you can
understand it, of density levels one through seven, the
key concept, of course, is state of awareness. All the
way through. So, once you rise to a higher state of
awareness, such things as physical limitation evaporate.
And, when they evaporate, vast distances, as you perceive
them, become non-existent. So, just because you are
unable to see and understand has absolutely no bearing
whatsoever on what is or is not possible. Except within
your own level of density. And this is what almost no one
on your current level of density is able to understand.
If you can understand it and convey it to them, you will
be performing the greatest service that your kind has ever
seen. Think about that for a moment. Let it seep into
your consciousness. Analyze it. Dissect it. Look at it
carefully and then put it back together again.

Q: (L) What is it that limits our awareness?

A: Your environment. And it is the environment that you have
chosen. By your level of progress. And that is what
limits everything. As you rise to higher levels of
density, limitations are removed.

Q: (L) What creates this environment of limitation?

A: It is the grand illusion which is there for the purpose of
learning.

Q: (L) And who put the illusion into place?

A: The Creator who is also the Created. Which is also you
and us and all. As we have told you, we are you and vice
versa. And so is everything else.
*******************

Q: (L) Okay, a year ago we talked about the quorum and I did
not understand. Now, what I would like to know is, is the
understanding I have acquired in the past two weeks
regarding this group...
A: You need some review.
Q: (L) Okay.
A: Not just about the "Quorum," but about many important
subjects, and tonight, we intend to have some free flowing
energy, if you don't mind. In other words, we may
supercede questions, when appropriate. However, it may be
necessary for you to begin the process by asking a
question.
Q: (L) I am curious about what I call the "Scottish
Question." Why is it that everytime I start a paper trail
on any issue of conspiracy, there always seems to be a
link to Scotland and Scots?
A: "Celtic," what does it mean?
Q: (L) Well, the word "kilt" comes from "Celtic," but no one
seems to know where they originated... they just sort of
appeared on the landscape, so to speak.
A: Exactly!
Q: (L) Are you going to tell us?
A: No, not just as of yet.
Q: (L) So, there is some interesting connection! (RC) Does
it mean "warrior race?"
A: If you prefer! We have close affiliation with the
"Northern Peoples." Why? Because we were in regular,
direct contact with them on Kantek, before they were
"lifted" to Earth by Orion sts.
Q: (L) If you were in direct contact with them, how come they
were in cahoots with the Orion STS bunch?
A: Who says they are in "kahoots?"
Q: (L) Weren't they rescued by the Orion STS?
A: Yes. But one need not be in "kahoots" to be rescued!!!
Q: (L) Well, if the Orion STS brought the Celts here, they
must have brought them for their own purposes, am I
correct?
A: Essentially, but herein lies the reason why you need a
review. You see, you have some gaps in your knowledge
base which are caused by channeling, absorbing and
analyzing information out of sequence with what we have
given you and mixing it all together!
Q: (L) Okay, what's my problem?
A: You are doing wonderfully, my dear, but it is difficult
for you to keep up this way, because your natural drive
for the truth makes you impatient, and therefore you tend
to fill in the gaps with simple reasoning and assumptions.
While these are often correct, they can tend to allow you
to get ahead of yourself.
Q: (L) Okay, square one: Is the quorum composed of humans who
have been alchemists, who are presently in possession of a
substance called "the elixir of life" and which David
Hudson calls "monoatomic gold?"
A: And much, much more! Monoatomic gold is but one minor
issue here. Why get lead astray by focusing upon it
solely. It would be akin to focusing on the fact that
"Batman" can fly! Is that the only important thing that
"Batman" does in the story? Is it?
Q: (L) Of course not! (R) Batman fights crime!
A: What we mean is that alchemy is but one minor piece of the
puzzle.
Q: (L) Okay, I understand. But, understanding the alchemical
connection, and its potential for extending life and
opening certain abilities, makes it more feasible to think
of a group that has been present steadily and consistently
for many thousands of years on earth.
A: They are not the only ones!
Q: (L) Oh! I knew I was opening a can of worms!
A: Let us go to the root.
Q: (L) What is the root?
A: Who, or what made you?
Q: (RC) The Creator. (L) Prime Creator.
A: How? And who is Prime Creator?
Q: (L) Everything, I guess.
A: You are "Prime Creator."
Q: (L)Well, we know we are... (RC) We are creators, but we
aren't the Prime Creator...
A: Prime Creator Manifests IN you.
Q: (L) Okay, so at the root is Prime Creator.
A: But... who was secondary?
Q: (RC) The Sons of God? The Elohim?
A: Who is that? Remember, your various legends are "seen
through a veil."
Q: (L) Okay, the secondary creators are the ones interacting
with us directly?
A: Okay.
Q: (L) Is this the source of the stimulation to discover
knowledge?
A: Basically, but, let us take this step by step.
Q: (RC) Okay, getting back to the Celts, were the Pleiadians
the secondary creators who brought in the Celts?
A: Review what we have just said!
Q: (L) They said it was the Orions. Are the Orions these
secondary creators? (RC) Well, I read that it was the
Pleiadians. And the Hebrews were originally the Hoovids
who came from Sirius...
A: Here comes a shocker for you... one day, in 4th density,
it will be your descendants mission to carry on the
tradition and assignment of seeding the 3rd density
universe, once you have the adequate knowledge!!!
Q: (L) If the Orion STS brought the Celts here, were the
Celts, while they lived on Kantek, in the form they are in
now?
A: They were lighter in appearance.
Q: (L) You have told us on other occasions that the Semitic
peoples were remnants of the Atlanteans, and yet they are
quite unlike...
A: Whoa!! Wait a minute, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
First things first. What Roxanne said was not entirely
factual. Remember, there is much disinformation to weed
through.
Q: (RC) What did I say that was not factual?
A: In this part of your 3rd and 4th density universe,
specifically your "galaxy" it is the region known as Orion
that is the one and only indigenous home of human type
beings... reflect on this! Indigenous home base, not sole
locator. What you are most in need of review of is the
accurate profile of "alien" data.
Q: (RC) I thought that humans originated in Lyra and then a
war broke out there and
 
I always thought this would be a "fun" idea in an elementary school kid sort of a way. Being sort of a sci-fi fan, I got kind of excited when hearing of the Cassiopaeans talk of all of these intelligent civilizations situated on different planets. As the others have stated, the map is rather useless without a couple of extra dimensional coordinates added to it. Most of the star-faring civilizations that we hear about are going to be time-faring as well, so you would have to be able to find what time they exist in. There is also the fact that these civilizations may exist in some timelines and not others, so maybe they travel from a parallel universe. Then, as others stated, they may exist in different densities which would be imperceptible to you. There also seems to be different planes surrounding a planet where you have various critters that come in and out such as window fallers and discarnate spirits, so you would have to factor that in as well. So if you could overlay all of these different dimensions on the map, it might be somewhat useful but would probably become so complicated it would be more or less incomprehensible.

The fact of the matter is, the universe is much more complicated than Star Trek depicts and the technology required to access all of these different levels is probably 10000x greater. Dr. Who comes a lot closer, but is still overly simplified. If you got your starmap and travelled to one of the "confirmed" star systems, you would probably be disappointed to find that there was nothing there. The only races you would stand a chance of meeting with just a 3D starmap and starship are 3rd density, relatively analogous to humans, existing in the same sort of physical realm, during the same relative "time" as Earth. Just having the physical locator without the "realm" is kind of an exercise in futility.
 
rs said:
Why on earth do you want this information? What will you do with it? Why does it matter? Do you plan on visiting these star systems? Sending them a radio message? What if their location is in "another realm"?

I am not at all getting your point, but it seems like you are thinking about this from a strictly Hollywood aliens perspective and not from the "infinite possibilities" perspective that the Cs constantly mention.

What could we do with mere unnamed dots on a map that have no additional data, like civilization name and home planet and U for Utopia (good guys) or D for Dystopia (psychopaths mostly), and the numbers 3, 4, 5, 6 for density?
Example data:
dot D4 = in the direction of loosely Sirius (somewhere) a 4th Density dystopian civilization exists or existed. Time doesn't really matter.

Or the answers could be:
- Too many!
- No sense for such a map.
- Do you wanna be depressed? - "Why?" - Because it would involve drawing 21 D4 dots, 13 D3 dots and only 2 U3 and 1 U4 dots.. :)
First of all:
- It would serve as a psychological support: "We might not be alone after all, dear SETI!"

- look at the map and see the dots, "where" they are, or at least in which direction these civilizations could be located.

- their mere existence is some assurance that another civilization is having or had same problems we are dealing with right now, e.g. psychopaths.

- Star-faring means a civilization that at least could make it to the next nearest star: in our case it's Alpha Centauri, a triple-star system — three stars bound together by gravity.

- Their life could be not much different from ours on the scale of Being. Even if they are silicon based and have wings or live underwater - or in liquid methane oceans - , they still have to work and suffer to reach their goals just like us. They probably face the same larger or smaller extinction events periodically, just like us. They have to survive, overcome their nature, work on themselves, just like us.

- the number of the dots would help place ourselves on a universal scale: have we reached Alpha Centauri or a remote star yet? Well, they at least got to the next nearest star! Maybe they became a totalitarian system and 98% of their population is working as slaves to serve their nobility the self-declared "Star Overlords"
or
maybe they didn't kill their John Lennons and Kennedies and Wallaces and became a Sister & Brotherhood, Children of the Stars, embracing their birthright.

Do the nations - under the dots on the map - live in an Utopia or Dystopia?

Could be food for thought, I think.
 
Well, if artofdream would have continued with that session or a following one, some of the data apropos to the 'human' section of our galaxy was given.
Elsewhere the C's confirmed some of the Ra groups data on planet count, sort of... and since some of them come and go all the time in different realities, does a precious count of how many millions of planets exist of a certain type really matter? Though it does give us a glimpse of the situation, but they chose not to give the 4, 5 STS numbers that would indicate the fallout rate, but perhaps that was then and this is now? :/ Of course, that is assuming it really matters, but then it's always hard to tell what matters at any particular moment anyway, and 'different strokes for different folks' allows almost anything to be of interest to someone, somewhere allowing another piece of the puzzle to be acquired... perhaps, in time, assuming there is enough of that, given our situation.

The C's did mention the possibility potentials measured rather high, decicillion or whatever that term was... always subject to collapse upon individual and group choices of course, all of which reminds me of "Qualia the Purple" storyline, which brings us back to where we started in the here and now or everpresent. Even NASA is finding habitable planets everywhere these days, as well as binary stars and whatnot that always seems to surprise them, at least in their press releases. ;)

As already mentioned, one problem with such data is relevance to your 'work', and how this factors in, as well as acquisition of the data, which is under the interests of the group channeling this source of data, the C's. Perhaps they don't have any such interest? Or feel it isn't important to their 'work'? What was the statement about 'curiousity killed the cat'? Such a death might be done through distraction, such as an overload of data, which is like having many pieces of a puzzle you don't understand, with some pieces being added and subtracted all the time, so that you have enough trouble just keeping track of their number, let alone their use in conjunction with all the other pieces... like that famous Bush official's statement about how they make history and all we can do is follow behind...how does the song go? "Forever chasing rainbows"... Wall Street does the same, as well as all the official state historians, scientists, or any other sort of state priest. Obfuscation, confusion and distraction, which nicely keeps one's eyes off the prize, but then that is a question of free will after all.

Perhaps this desire for more 'food for thought' should be better explained in an attempt to attract the interest of the channelers? Isn't that the first thing to do besides requesting the kindness of strangers? :D
Thus a better request for 'funding' for your project or interest is needed. Make your case. I think a little more than 'food for thought' might be required when requesting such free services from others, as this is usually done late at night, if I remember correctly, and people get tired by then... and it is such a slow process, that I've surprised they can stay awake.... which is sort of symbolic of course. ;D


Mod's note: Changed the title of the post from uiauiaaa to Re: Star-Faring Civilizations Map
 
A: Exactly. Now, when we go from the measuring system, which
of course has been nicely formulated so that you can
understand it, of density levels one through seven, the
key concept, of course, is state of awareness. All the
way through. So, once you rise to a higher state of
awareness, such things as physical limitation evaporate.
And, when they evaporate, vast distances, as you perceive
them, become non-existent. So, just because you are
unable to see and understand has absolutely no bearing
whatsoever on what is or is not possible. Except within
your own level of density. And this is what almost no one
on your current level of density is able to understand.
If you can understand it and convey it to them, you will
be performing the greatest service that your kind has ever
seen. Think about that for a moment. Let it seep into
your consciousness. Analyze it. Dissect it. Look at it
carefully and then put it back together again.

Let's just focus on the sate of awareness. Everything boils down to your own conscious awareness. If you ask me, it does not make any sense looking deeper into space by tossing money away in search for some proof of organic life that might or might not be there in 3D at all.
Let's think for a bit if we had the awareness of the whole Universe? Let's assume we know everything, were are aware of everything that's being going on in this Universe at all times. We cannot miss anything because we know that the event had already happened and not only were we aware of this fact, but we acknowledged the effect of it. It is scale of perception. Let's assume our consciousness is far larger than this 3D Universe of ours?

If we keep thinking in a linear 3D space/time paradigm, we'll always struggle understanding the true nature of reality which is precisely the reason why we are here, and that is our environment imposes limitations to our awareness. If we break these limits, we will rise to a higher density. Apparently we chose this environment based on our own level of progress. Our purpose here is to be able to ascend to a higher state of consciousness and not the other way around.

A: Let us go to the root.
Q: (L) What is the root?
A: Who, or what made you?
Q: (RC) The Creator. (L) Prime Creator.
A: How? And who is Prime Creator?
Q: (L) Everything, I guess.
A: You are "Prime Creator."
Q: (L)Well, we know we are... (RC) We are creators, but we
aren't the Prime Creator...
A: Prime Creator Manifests IN you.
Q: (L) Okay, so at the root is Prime Creator.
A: But... who was secondary?
Q: (RC) The Sons of God? The Elohim?
A: Who is that? Remember, your various legends are "seen
through a veil.
"
Q: (L) Okay, the secondary creators are the ones interacting
with us directly?
A: Okay.
Q: (L) Is this the source of the stimulation to discover
knowledge?
A: Basically, but, let us take this step by step.
Q: (RC) Okay, getting back to the Celts, were the Pleiadians
the secondary creators who brought in the Celts?
A: Review what we have just said!
Q: (L) They said it was the Orions. Are the Orions these
secondary creators? (RC) Well, I read that it was the
Pleiadians. And the Hebrews were originally the Hoovids
who came from Sirius...
A: Here comes a shocker for you... one day, in 4th density,
it will be your descendants mission to carry on the
tradition and assignment of seeding the 3rd density
universe, once you have the adequate knowledge!!!

Very good question! Who is secondary?
 
Can't make a better case than a possibility to see if "other Putin's" are operating somewhere amongst the stars in the night sky that we all like to watch lovingly and the opportunity to place 'dots' in our minds eye in our maybe favorite constellations to get at least the general direction of the others 'right'.

I also have to consider the channelers' available energy: if 5% or 10% or more loosh would be used up to pinpoint at least the major civilizations on the map and attach a letter and a number to each, then this isn't worth asking. The possible consolation would be that utopian civilizations have beaten their psychopaths and have made it.

I don't crave or desire this info nor I'm invested in it: this idea was the result of watching inane news articles appearing in media about SETI and news pieces with scientist constantly debating the validity of recently detected Super-Earths and the ridiculous pieces about the Mars rover finding - or not - organic molecules that "Oh my god" could lead to detection of life in space.. What a continually rolling media farce!
 

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