STO vs STS

[FireH200]

Aloha!
i have been on our forum for awhile, but i couldnt get me old password to work on here with my old user name
(mr2k).

Anywho--


I been playin World of Warcraft. as a 'good guy' (alliance member). i have been playing this 'side for over a year...
and have been pretty good at it. My favorite 'Toon', subscribers call ther creations toons.
Is named Kantek! (you, can make as many characters as u want)
Named after, the knowledge here, ( when u search: wow.armory.com) thers only 2 guys with the name of kantek, out of 11million online players.

to me , that is very strange. when i play my Hunter Kantek, i bark out orders to the other 14 members of my team for the session, aiming to win! (arathi basin), [one of 3 battle grounds, both factions can play against.]

The bad guys, "The horde". is the other, 'side" (faction). Sometimes, these sessions will last , 5 too 20 minutes.
Depending on the, 'skill', of either faction. The end of which declares one faction the winner or the loser.


! - I-therway! (as me irish Ma' says)!! I get alot of 'hate' (game term for kill him at all costs) [hehe].

"hate' - meaning, kill him[me], at all costs. but in the game it is an awesome challenge to over come and win.

Especially when our side does win, i like to take credit for the win all to me self, but it aint so.

it took all 15 of us against all 15 of them too beat em.

And anywho- we have built a 'guild' around PVP(playerVSplayer), and have done - well.

My point is this. I have played alot of games, and barked alot of orders, as an "alliance" player. and have come out very well, as compared to the opposite faction.


Recently, i myself of my own accord , swaped sides to play the opposite faction on a different server. and i mite add.

Have come across the same if not more 'hate', even tho im not as tuff as my former toon!
too me, i seem to be killed the most often on both sides, regardless of 'level'.

and being on the 'bad side' for awhile, has made me see how cutthroat the good guys are!

where as i had been thinkin for awhile (a yr) that the Horde, (opposite faction) always wins!
and in a month, on the bad side,(horde faction), the other side always wins.


I'm trying to stretch my awareness as far as i can tell, ( i can do more...) but i was very struck by the amount of hate i got from both sides, without I-ether of them knowing who i am.
Either way no one knows, im both sides, except me.
is that the magnet of the attention?


ty

Steven

 

[Tigersoap]

Hello Steven,

I am not quite sure what you describe (from what I understand) could be linked to the STO or STS polarity because, well WOW is only a videogame and it will only reflect the reality of the STS orientation no matter what side you'll be on.

Maybe this post about videogames could interest you.

 

[anart]

Hello Steven,

I am not quite sure what you describe (from what I understand) could be linked to the STO or STS polarity because, well WOW is only a videogame and it will only reflect the reality of the STS orientation no matter what side you'll be on.

Maybe this post about videogames could interest you.

Exactly.

I'm trying to stretch my awareness as far as i can tell

Perhaps the first step would be to stop playing video games? Or at least cut down? Read the game thread tigersoap linked - it will give you an idea of why this might be a good idea.

 

[Renaissance]

This article seems relevant here:

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/half_of_26_year_olds_memories

Half Of 26-Year-Old's Memories Nintendo-Related

January 12, 2008 | Issue 44•02

BROOKLYN, NY—Nearly 50 percent of 26-year-old paralegal Philip Jenkins' encoded long-term memories involve button combinations, game-playing experiences, and spatial-cognitive maps of various levels and worlds from Nintendo's line of video-game consoles, a team of neuroscientists reported Tuesday.

The memory-evaluation study, headed by Dr. Franklin McCarroll of New York University's School of Psychology, revealed that approximately 47 percent of Jenkins' hippocampus is dedicated to storing notable video-game victories and frustrating last-minute defeats, while 32 percent of his amygdala contains embedded neurological scripts pertaining to game strategies, character back stories, theme songs, and cheat codes. In addition, his entire dorsolateral prefrontal cortex is devoted to remembering the time he did a helicopter dunk from half-court with Shawn Kemp at the buzzer to beat the Charlotte Hornets 82-81 in NBA Jam: Tournament Edition.

Although these percentages are only slightly above the average for males in Jenkins' age bracket, McCarroll said that the memories most closely associated with the interactive gaming systems can be accessed far more quickly than any of his memories involving school, work, or family.

"It takes Mr. Jenkins 4.33 milliseconds to retrieve the memory of holding his newborn sister for the first time, but just 1.09 milliseconds to retrieve the memory of knocking Pikachu off the Sector Z platform with Donkey Kong's 'ground pound' maneuver in Super Smash Bros.," McCarroll said. "In fact, the only school-related memory he is able to review as vividly as the underwater-bomb-defusing level of Nintendo Entertainment System's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is his first day of college, which was spent playing multiplayer GoldenEye 007 with his roommates."

According to an fMRI of Jenkins' brain regions during the process of memory recall, his parietal lobe registers the same amount of activity when he hears the word "mother" as it does when he hears the words "Banjo Kazooie."

"Due to sheer repetition in his peak synaptic years for processing new information, every neural strand in Philip's basal ganglia is embedded with the Konami Code: up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, select, start," McCarroll said.

Nintendo-based memories are also among Jenkins' most frequently retrieved, researcher Dr. Francis Holbrook said. A series of recent tests suggest that when Jenkins accesses stored information in response to visual or mental cues, he is most likely to remember his family's trip to Disney World, followed by the time he beat the dreaded Stage 57 on Bubble Bobble without losing a life, the first time he rode a bike, the exact route he made Bo Jackson run to defeat his friend Jason Whitner at Tecmo Bowl, hiding underneath his covers while his parents fought noisily in the adjoining room, and the locations of the three warp whistles in Super Mario Bros. 3.

"On Friday, we showed Mr. Jenkins a series of images meant to elicit memories of times of great pain and confusion in his life," Holbrook said. "The first two events that came to the fore of his psyche were an incident in late 2000 when the screen froze just as he was about to set a new 'best lap' record on Wave Race 64, and his great-grandmother's funeral."

Holbrook also suggested that as much as 17 percent of Jenkins' cerebellum capacity may be filled with motor-coordination skills of the various Nintendo system controllers, including the Power Glove, the Power Pad mat, and the special joystick issued by Capcom for the Super NES edition of Street Fighter II.

Some researchers have theorized that the amount of space Jenkins' brain allocates for Nintendo-based memories has resulted in damage to or the complete loss of his non-Nintendo-based memories. They note that although Jenkins cannot remember his father's cell phone number (415-547-6823) off the top of his head, he can recite without hesitation the password that allows you to view the credits in Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! (106-113-0120).

In a parallel study, a team of Columbia University behavioral psychologists suggested that Nintendo-related feats and accomplishments also account for approximately 75 percent of Jenkins' self-esteem.

"Unsurprisingly, Mr. Jenkins' self-perception draws from the most important moments in his life, and is framed largely by the time he hit a game-winning grand slam with Saul in NES's Little League Baseball to help the New York team win the tournament," Dr. Gary Nordstrom said. "It is not uncommon for men his age to measure themselves by their greatest athletic achievements, and this is without a doubt Mr. Jenkins'."

The findings also revealed that about 60 percent of Jenkins' repressed memories may involve Nintendo. In a Rorschach inkblot test administered to him, Jenkins compared a series of amorphous shapes to a bird eating its young, his mother brandishing a broadsword, and the entire cast of characters from Castlevania II: Simon's Quest.

For those who don't know, "The Onion" is a satire based 'news' source (which imo, often depicts reality a lot better than MSM)

 

[Ruth]

Perhaps the first step would be to stop playing video games? Or at least cut down? Read the game thread tigersoap linked - it will give you an idea of why this might be a good idea.

Yes, indeed. I've heard these games can be quite addictive and can stop a person from really seeing reality. It must be quite a shock to realise it too.

 

[Nawd]

Wow, I knew that video games were dangerous, and now I'm glad that they never held any appeal to myself.

Reading that above study, chances are that now my young children will never learn of these games through me.

Good thing I am home schooling.

The first post about threw me off my chair. Making fiction into reality much? Shocking.

 

[anart]

Wow, I knew that video games were dangerous, and now I'm glad that they never held any appeal to myself.

Reading that above study, chances are that now my young children will never learn of these games through me.

Good thing I am home schooling.

The first post about threw me off my chair. Making fiction into reality much? Shocking.

Hi Nawd,

The 'above study' is actually satire, as Shane made clear at the bottom of his post. As such, it is an exaggeration - though, quite frankly, probably not much of one. fwiw.

 

[WhiteBear]

STS vs. STO

I've been reading the Wave, just finished Chapter 8, and there's something that's been bugging me for the last couple chapters. STS vs. STO. I understand that it's desirable to be STO...that if given a choice between an STS action and an STO action, the STO action will be beneficial for my spiritual growth. My problem is, when decisions need to be made quickly, what fast method, if any, will tell me which is which? Here's a hypothetical example of my dilemma:

Girl Scout is on the front step, selling cookies. If I buy cookies to make myself feel "generous" and a "better person" by helping their fund-raising activity, it's STS. If I buy cookies because I desire the taste of those particular cookies, it's STS. If I buy cookies and then throw them out, is it STO? Either way, the cookies get bought, the action is the same, but the intent is different.

As I'm standing there, slack-jawed and pondering the ramifications of my decision, the little girl turns around and leaves, obviously creeped-out. I breathe a sigh of relief that the decision no longer needs to be made, which gives positive reinforcement to the behavior of indecision. I'm happy because the little girl took the decision away from me...is that an STS reaction? Am I more likely to be indecisive in the future as a result?

I know this is a silly example, but my thoughts lately about STS vs. STO have been distracting me, and I'd like to take care of this mental speedbump.

 

[EmeraldHope]

Re: STS vs. STO

WhiteBear,

STO is only "better" if you choose for yourself the STO path. STS is better for those that choose the STS path. To really choose you have to undertsand the differences. There is no particular set of rules- there is the third force:

http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=39&lsel=T

In the spirit of a duality defined by STO/STS, Creation/Entropy, Ascending/Descending, B-influence/A-influence, etc, one has a decision to make in every given moment. The choice one makes in this decision aligns one with either the Creative principle or Entropic principle. The Third Force is the configuration of circumstances, structures, and characters in that given moment that define the alignment of the choices one has. Truly one of the most dangerous occult truths, the Third Force implies that no moral dogma is comprehensive enough to inform one involved in The Work on how to act in alignment with the Creative principle in every possible situation. This idea is closely related to the principle of "perspicacity", which is the discernment of what the Third Force can reveal about the nature of the choices in that given moment.

From "Jupiter, Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, and the Return of the Mongols" by Laura Knight-Jadczyk:

`There are those who think that truth or lies are always static, that a lie is a lie is a lie and that to be "good," one must ALWAYS tell the "truth." However, it is not always that easy. For example, consider France during the Nazi occupation. Undoubtedly, many of those involved in the resistance lied daily and regularly about their plans and activities. What was different about their lies was the INTENT and the SPECIFIC SITUATION. In such a situation, speaking the truth to a Nazi soldier who would use that truth to destroy one's fellow resistance fighters would be "evil," so to say, and lying would be "good." The greater truth that the lie served was Freedom from Tyranny. The "observer" of the situation knew the objective truth that revealing his plans or betraying his brothers would bring their deaths. The reality of the Nazis was based on subjective lies, and by responding to these lies leading to tyranny with an opposite lie that led to freedom was then an effective canceling of the subjectivity leaving the field clear for objectivity. This simple example ought to give the reader much to think about in terms of the socialized belief in a "black and white" exposition of "truth or lies" and "good and evil".'

See In Search of the Miraculous, Jupiter, Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, and the Return of the Mongols by Laura Knight-Jadczyk at the Cassiopaea web site for more commentary about the Third Force.

See Active, Passive, Neutralizing Force

So, for example, how would your decision be affected if you knew the girl scout leader of the scout at your door was likely stealing funds from the sale to buy drugs? Or, if you knew the cookies were very bad for your health and the health of all the girl scouts and everyone who ate them? What is the highest good? It is different in each situation. Learing to tell the difference is a process and your ability to do so increases with your knowledge and through working on yourself.

 

[Meager1]

I`ll jump in because this is still a tough one for me to.

I guess knowing that your telling a lie at the time, but that it is for the best outcome is one thing, like with the friend asking "does this dress make me look fat".

We have all been there with that one. And have probably all lied in a situation like that.

And I think that is more STO in the sense that you are giving what was asked, since no one "really" wants to hear that the dress makes them look like a red checkered cow.

What I have the most difficult time with is sensing the bigger deeper lie coming from someone you respect, or have looked up to, and yet who deliberately and blatantly lies to you, for no reason that you can understand.

But you know immediately that your being lied to and it makes you feel like your suffocating or starving for air.
And Telling a lie, makes you feel the same way or even worst but you do it anyway!

Yes I understand that there are times when lying has to happen for the best outcome, but what about those other times when you know your being lied to, or that you are the one lying, but can`t find any good reason for it?

I have done it myself, and lied for no good reason that I can think of, afterward I would almost always cry when I was alone and ask myself why I did that?

Why did I lie, I didn`t have too, yet I have done it, and I can`t for the life of me, even now understand why, or what the motivation really was.

Sure, I could say oh that wasn't "really me".. the truth though, is somewhat different.

It was me, lying for the sake of lying, nothing more.

But for heavens sake why?

Seems to me, that if I had just told the truth to begin with, it would have saved me a lot of unnecessary suffering afterward.


I went to a shrink once, when I was about 20 years old.

I walked in there and took one look at that guy and found that I could not say a thing.


Not a single thing! I sat there, for the whole 30 minutes or whatever it was, just staring out the window and never said a single word! Nor did he, which was probably even more peculiar!

When I got home, I Lied through my teeth about how it went and told everybody that everything went fine and I didn`t have to go back! But I already knew I wouldn`t go back, since this "experience" had been totally a waste of time and money anyway.

Why would I have done such a thing? Even all these years later, I still don`t get it.
And that`s only one example!

 

[Oxajil]

Dear Meager1,

Your post reminds me a lot of someone who has been raised in a narcissistic family. Have you started reading the Psychology books?

There is a lot I could tell you from what I've read so far from the book "The Narcissistic Family: Diagnosis and Treatment", but I think it's best if you start reading it yourself.
I think you would find chapter 6 quite interesting.

You basically have a hard time setting boundaries and recognizing the legitimacy of your own feelings and needs. Instead of expressing your feelings (you might not even know you have them) and thoughts in a respectful and adult manner, you instead, lie.

If you also have troubles saying 'no' in certain situations, or refusing, and also have troubles making certain decisions, I think that would also be the more reason for reading this book! You could also read "The Myth of Sanity" first.

 

[WhiteBear]

Re: STS vs. STO

WhiteBear,

STO is only "better" if you choose for yourself the STO path. STS is better for those that choose the STS path. To really choose you have to undertsand the differences.

My apologies that I wasn't clear about the path I chose. It seemed a clear-cut decision for me to choose STO when I read the C's statements that 4th density is the highest density possible for STS, and that 4th density STS needs to take in negative energy, their race is dying out, and they will ultimately fail. Is it not that simple? Do you have many folks here on the board who have chosen the STS path?

I understand the difference between the two, but at this point, it's like understanding the difference between "3" and "4". Substitute "3" for "STS" and "4" for "STO", and the information I've received so far is similar to "||| <<<this is "3"" and "|||| <<<this is "4"". That much, I -have- sorted. What I'm really looking for is more in the lines of, "What are the ramifications of "4" in my life?" "How can I more easily see "4"?" Contemplating whether the Scout Leader is funneling money into a drug habit seems like more stirring of an already muddled pot. The Third Force sounds like a "spiritual conscience" to me...sort of like "moral compass", but rather than pointing to a dogmatic, structured North, it guides me towards the greater good, which I cannot discern any other way because of lack of data points? Is that close?

 

[EmeraldHope]

Whitebear,

Actually, STS is eternal just like STO, and exisist throughout the whole of the denisity levels, even id they do so in a different way. I doubt we have any STS's in here except for a few trolls now and then. I was just making a point to be aware of the context of " better" .

In regards to the third force, the more you learn and the more you work on yourself, the more you can " see" and the easier it is to know what to do. In the beginning all you can do is use your moral compass the best you can, and use the network for help.


I did not necessarily mean to actually sit there and just contemplate if the scout leader was using funds for drug money. I was saying that if you were already aware that may be the case from prior knowledge, it would have affect your decision. Each instance is different. I was trying to show in what we your stated example could be different.

 

[WhiteBear]

Whitebear,

Actually, STS is eternal just like STO, and exisist throughout the whole of the denisity levels, even id they do so in a different way.

I'm using this section of The Wave, Chapter VIII as my basis for debate on this:
[quote author=The Wave, Chapter VIII]
...And those who are described as the Lizards have chosen to firmly lock themselves into service to self. And, since they are at the highest level of density where this is possible, they must continually draw large amounts of negative energy from those at the third level, second level, and so on, which is why they do what they do. This also explains why their race is dying, because they have not been able to learn for themselves how to remove themselves from this particular form of expression to that of service to others. And, since they have such, as you would measure it, a long period of time, remained at this level and, in fact, become firmly entrenched in it, and, in fact, have increased themselves in it, this is why they are dying and desperately trying to take as much energy from you as possible and also to recreate their race metabolically.
[/quote]

Can you tell me in what way STS is expressed in the higher density levels?

 

[Tigersoap]

Re: STS vs. STO

My apologies that I wasn't clear about the path I chose. It seemed a clear-cut decision for me to choose STO when I read the C's statements that 4th density is the highest density possible for STS, and that 4th density STS needs to take in negative energy, their race is dying out, and they will ultimately fail. Is it not that simple? Do you have many folks here on the board who have chosen the STS path?

Hi Whitebear,

As long as we are living in 3D, we are all STS because we belong here, that's where we fit at the present time.
We can become STO oriented through working on the self and to my understanding, by getting rid of the predator's mind.
I won't say I understand all the subtleties of the STO pathway because like Emeraldhope said, there is always good, bad and the situation which will determines which is which.


[quote author=WhiteBear] What I'm really looking for is more in the lines of, "What are the ramifications of "4" in my life?" "How can I more easily see "4"?" Contemplating whether the Scout Leader is funneling money into a drug habit seems like more stirring of an already muddled pot. The Third Force sounds like a "spiritual conscience" to me...sort of like "moral compass", but rather than pointing to a dogmatic, structured North, it guides me towards the greater good, which I cannot discern any other way because of lack of data points? Is that close?
[/quote]

To my current understanding, without knowing your machine aka your "inner workings", it will be difficult to see when you're being STS or STO oriented as you cannot see yourself clearly.
You may think you're doing good to someone but you might not see how it turns out to be wrong in the end.
We must be able to see things as they are to really make a conscious choice, otherwise we just let our machine decide for us.

This threads might give you food for thoughts ;)

Helping:STS or STO

How to be STO in a STS world

You can always use the search function ;)