Stop The War .... Buy Canadian Dollars

[Calm]

If the politicians refuse to cut the Iraq War funding, then why don’t the anti-war folks just walk down to their local bank and ask for their money in Canadian dollars? It would bring Bush and The Clowns to their knees overnight.

Nobody would lose any money because the more people who demanded Canadian dollars, the higher the value of the Canadian dollar would become.

It sure beats depending on street protests and having to schedule time to attend protests.

By exchanging funds at the bank, you could do it on your own time and quietly without much scheduling problems.

The U.S. dollar is worth about 1.01 Canadian. (Canadian Dollar worth a penny more at the moment.)

The more demand for Canadian dollars would mean that the Canadian dollar would rise in value against the U.S. dollar. So, nobody would lose any money when they cashed back into U.S. funds after the "banking protest" made it's point.

The effect would be immediate. I would think that once the word was out, it would become major talking points all over the globe. The U.S. would need to react immediately. All the big financiers would loose if it were not nipped in the bud.

I sincerely believe that an action like this would be quite easy to accomplish and quite noteworthy or quite a strong statement by the average Joe.

It requires no organizational efforts except to encourage people to do it. You can't get arrested for it and there is no possibility of violence. A person would not need to travel any great distance and could do it on any day they please, thus no scheduling problems.

I would think that any anti-war protest has the "solid" support of at least 25% of the population. But, only .0000001 percent of people actually find the time to particpate because it is a "scheduled" event. But, exchanging U.S. dollars for some other type of currency could be done by a short walk to your local bank and at the time of your choosing.

My real question is ... would it work?

It would certainly have a larger impact then a one-day event of 10 thousand protester picket signs. I would think that the U.S. government would need to respond and not simply sluff-it-off like they do with any street protest.

I'm not tryin' to be an idiot. I seriously think that it would bring this war to an end within 60 or 90 days.

Honestly .... I'm not seeking to destroy the U.S. economy nor the empire itself.

I'm trying to think of a way where ordinary folks can protest in a much more feasible or appropriate fashion .... Protest marches are "scheduled" events, and that is a major problem for many people who have other commitments.

I would think that if this idea was to go mainstream, just the threat itself would bring the political parties to their knees. They would have to get out front and pronto.

I believe that if people just went to their local bank and asked for their funds in Canadian currency, the impact would be huge!

It would be very simple to do. No planning or scheduling .... just a simple request at the bank next payday. I don't mean that everybody should take their zillion dollars in savings accounts and exchange it for Canadian funds. (Although the more the merrier.) Just the Ordinary Joe turning their backs on the U.S. Greenback on payday.


Calm

 

[Redrock12]

Well Calm, there could be one problem. Canada's Prime Minister takes his marching orders from Bush, and if Liberal Michael Ignatieff, who is most certainly a ziocon, becomes leader of the Opposition, it's just a short hop and jump to the Prime Minister's office, and further submergence of a separate Canadian political and economice identity into the American empire.
As well, it just seems a little too easy, and with the lockdown on the American public (not to mention their ignorance), such an action could be sufficient reason for Bush to declare a state of emergency, and start filling the detention camps with "terrorists" and anyone who opposes his policies.
If Canada was truly a sovereign nation, it might work. But such is not the case.

 

[Calm]

Hi! Redrock12

When American's plan a vacation to mexico or whatever, most convert some cash to Mexican funds prior their departure from the U.S.. So, Americans know how to do this and it is a very simple task. It has very little to do with whether Mexico/Canada is not a sovereign state or whether Canada takes it's marching orders from Bush and The Clowns.

The impact of enacting my proposal would be felt immediately within the U.S.. Most embarassing for Bush. It could cost bankers and financial houses who have zillions invested in the Greenback to lose huge money as these conversions took place and the American dollar crashed as a direct result of the protest .... but not the average Joe.

If this protest action as I explained became the conversation within the U.S. media, Bush would need to act quickly and even before the proposed or planned protest event. Because it is a certainty that Bush would need to rethink his Iraq policy or suffer the consequences of a diving dollar, I'm quite postive that the protest would not even need to take place. That just the threat would bring Bush and The Clowns to their knees.

The cost to those participating is very small. Much less then what it would cost to travel to take part in a protest in Washington or some other city. I believe the cost is about 2 or three bucks per hundred dollars. It costs 5 bucks in transit fare to particpate in a local protest event and much more if yuh gotta travel to a scheduled even in Washington. You'd even need to pack a lunch. To convert 100 or 500 bucks to Canadian funds is quick and easy.

In fact, people could make money on it, because the value of the U.S. dollar would fall and the value of the Canadian dollar would rise because of demand. Thus; after the protest, those converting funds back into U.S. dollars would be making a gain in the process.


Calm

 

[anart]

Calm, you are assuming that Bush and those who direct him care in the least if or when the dollar crashes completely. They don't - in fact, they are engineering such a collapse for control.

Those directing the flow of global events are wholly unaffected by the crash of any currency - the only people this idea would harm are the people at the bottom, as usual. The rules that apply to 'us' simply do not apply to 'them' (the elites). Aside from that fundamental flaw in your plan, since Americans cannot purchase goods and services with Canadian dollars in America, they would be most reticent to consider trading in their USD since 'making a point' will not put food in their stomachs and no USD means no food in the US.

 

[Calm]

Hi! anart

You are assuming that American's don't have a hundred or 5 hundred in the bank just sitting there collecting interest in a savings account. There are millions of people who could convert a hundred bucks (or whatever) into Canadian dollars without wondering how they are gonna buy food with Canadian money. The money would remain in the bank, as it is right now. The only difference being is that the bank account would hold Canadian dollars instead of American dollars.

Poor people couldn't do this, I agree. But, poor folks can't afford a trip to Washington for a protest either.

Imagine if the 100 thousand protesters of this past September protest/march in Washington had of just stayed home and quietly visited their bank and used the funds intended for a trip to Washington for the "Conversion-Protest"? I'm quite sure that if a hundred thousand turned up for the recent protest in Washington, there were at least 5 or 10 million who wished to attend but were too busy.

Let me tell yuh .... the fall in the dollar's value is a "controlled" devaluation. What I'm suggesting is quite different.

Calm

 

[Cyre2067]

Converting currency isn't as easy as going to your local bank and requesting it. Only certain banks do it, and most of them are either on a border or are "international" banks. I had to learn this the hard way when i returned from a trip to toronto only to discover my local banks wouldn't change my currency back into dollars. You could only get dollars if you deposited it to an account and even then they charge a 15% fee to change it over.

Maybe it's different in other locations, but around Philly that's how it goes.

As an aside i think the most valuable form of protest is a strike. If enough people strike, then the economy stops dead in its tracks. Again we have the problem feeding those who depend on each hour's work for food/water/shelter as well.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Well if you're a bunch of psychopaths trying to retain control, what do you do in the event that citizens are undermining their own economy - that they depend on just to hold their own heads above the water? You laugh, and let them do it. There is nothing easier to control than a bunch of angry people demanding solutions. You provide them their hero who will lead them into promised land, and all the "solutions" to last them a few millenia.

What it is that we are accomplishing by this "currency conversion"? The idea is to threaten the elites somehow? To make them tremble in their boots and comply with our demands? What happens when they then proceed to kill our soldiers in Iraq with false flag attacks? How about terrorist threats or a false flag in the US? They have ways to "demonstrate" the necessity of defense funding and make us fall back in line. Nevermind that we are the ones who depend on the economy, not them. The problem is that the system is very deep, just because people may believe that the war is unnecessary doesn't mean they're ready to understand that their own government are also engineering the terrorists. And if they discover this, it doesn't mean they're ready to understand that their government who was engineering terrorists are also themselves puppets of a greater power, and so replacing the government is also totally futile. There is layer upon layer upon layer, and if you don't get the ROOT, the fundamentals that define evil/STS/pathocracy itself, you will simply be cutting off branches off of a rotten tree that grows in the rotten root, a root that surrounds us all, and is inside us all as well making us blind to its true nature.

I think that's why we're trying to address the root of the issue here. Getting to it involves working on yourself, understanding how it has infested your own mind, your programs, your sacred cows, assumptions, manipulativeness, etc. Understanding the pathocracy inside and out is really the only way to "clean house", because the disease is everywhere, there is no one centralized physical source of control that you can just "get rid of" and fix the problem. Sure the system is hierarchical, but the whole hierarchy only exists because humanity has allowed it, due to its own ignorance. Pointing the finger at the control room wouldn't teach anybody about the nature of how it all came to be and why it works to control us, and the cancer would easily start all over with difference superficial flavors and masks, fooling and manipulating everyone once again.

Unfortunately there is no easy way out, especially not by trying to use the system "against itself".

 

[Calm]

Hi! Cyre2067

You Wrote
"then they charge a 15% fee to change it over."

Then You Wrote:
"I think the most valuable form of protest is a strike."

A strike (loss of a day's pay) would cost the individual much more then the 15% exchange rate charge.

People around the world exchange money each and every day, and I find it quite astounding that you had to fork-out 15% to exchange Candian bucks to American. There are a zillion Rich Folks who play the currency markets every day, so it is not such an unusual event.

Hi! ScioAgapeOmnis

Holy Jeeze! You sure sound like the "Great-Defeatist". I suppose you don't bother to vote either.

I'm nearly 60 years old, and I'm a news-political junkie who has been following world events quite closely for 40 years or more. I know the "System" which you mentioned or screamed about. I'm quite aware of the "Powers" within the system.

I'm sort of like you .... I recognize the "Powers" which we are up against, but rather then give up the ghost, I prefer to revolt.

This is just a discussion or a conversation.

Black Wednesday
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Calm

 

[Cyre2067]

Hi! Cyre2067

You Wrote
"then they charge a 15% fee to change it over."

Then You Wrote:
"I think the most valuable form of protest is a strike."

A strike (loss of a day's pay) would cost the individual much more then the 15% exchange rate charge.

People around the world exchange money each and every day, and I find it quite astounding that you had to fork-out 15% to exchange Candian bucks to American. There are a zillion Rich Folks who play the currency markets every day, so it is not such an unusual event.

Right, but you missed my bit about local banks not doing it, thus it being much more difficult then you originally posit.. The reason rich folks can do it is that they're playing the market, they're not physically going to a local bank and requesting the change be made.

And while loss of a day's pay would cost more, en masse it would be much more effective, for reasons already pointed out above.

I also think you brush aside Scio's point. True change can only come from work on the self.

 

[vinny]

Hi! ScioAgapeOmnis

Holy Jeeze! You sure sound like the "Great-Defeatist". I suppose you don't bother to vote either.

'not voting' would only be defeatist in a system where the vote did what it said.
Today, in pretty much any country in the world, but especially the 'axis of evil' that is the USA, voting is defeatist - it perpetuates and endorses the lie.

I'm nearly 60 years old, and I'm a news-political junkie who has been following world events quite closely for 40 years or more. I know the "System" which you mentioned or screamed about. I'm quite aware of the "Powers" within the system.

I'm sort of like you .... I recognize the "Powers" which we are up against, but rather then give up the ghost, I prefer to revolt.

Perhaps you are harboring some secret 'sacred cows' about the extent and the workings of the powers that be? And maybe you also have an attachment to an idea, which makes you then unable to see any flaws in it.

Your original post also reads in a kind of NLP style of repeating assertions.

You seem to be seriously underestimatingthe power elite. US dollars are fake. So, if I had an account with 100USD and I converted it to some other curreny this makes no difference whatsoever to the PTB: Are you aware of the multi-trillion dollar deficit, or the fact that it was announced by Rumsfeld that the pentagon officially had 'mislaid' 2.6 trillion dollars (8 times its annual budget!) at the time of the Bush takeover?

100USD per US citizen is a drop in the ocean compared to the size of these financial 'magic lies' going on, The PTB have basically infinite resources at this point.

This is just a discussion or a conversation.

I can't see any real reason why you wrote that. it sounds as though you are self 'calm'ing.
All that stuff about challenging how much it costs Cyre to change his dollars is also deflecting from the main point.

 

[Calm]

Hi! Cyre2067 and SleepyVinny

I thank you for your comments or participation in my discussion.

I got nothing more to add.

Calm

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Hi! ScioAgapeOmnis

Holy Jeeze! You sure sound like the "Great-Defeatist". I suppose you don't bother to vote either.

Of course not, why would I vote when it makes no difference? A defeatist is one who does not seek solutions to a problem. I have done no such thing - instead, I seek objective and real solutions by analyzing the true nature of the problem. Is this not simply logical - that you cannot cure a disease if you don't study the disease? You seem to be under the illusion that "doing something" is always better than "doing nothing". This is not logical - because very often doing the *wrong* thing actually worsens the problem, leading you even farther away from the solution than doing nothing would. Similarly, false knowledge is worse than no knowledge at all. "Knowing something" is not better than "knowing nothing" if that something is false.

But it can be said that someone who tries to use their own illusions and assumptions to fix a problem is in fact a defeatist. A defeatist has no faith in himself, no hope in finding a real solution, has no faith in his interaction with the creation. He has given up on figuring out the problem and resigned to the illusion that he can make his subjective square peg fit into the objectively round hole. As such, a defeatist is both, someone who assumes there are no solutions, and someone who accepts lies and false solutions and assumes they are real. In both cases because he has lost hope in himself and his interaction with the creation and resorts to assumption instead.

I'm sort of like you .... I recognize the "Powers" which we are up against, but rather then give up the ghost, I prefer to revolt.

As such, a defeatist is both, someone who assumes there are no solutions, and someone who accepts lies and false solutions and assumes they are real. In both cases because he has lost hope in himself and his interaction with the creation and resorts to assumption instead.

This is just a discussion or a conversation.

Indeed, are you aware of self-calming? From Cass glossary: http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=667&lsel=

This is the process of pushing aside thoughts or emotions that are uncomfortable.

This is a pervasive characteristic of the human condition and is found at many levels.

In the most basic sense, self-calming takes place when one rationalizes and self-justifies actions or inactions which one is not comfortable with. This amounts to putting one's conscience to sleep. This action is opposed to consciousness or conscience and is a way of furthering sleep. Systematic self-calming makes buffers.

However, the more complex forms of self-calming go far beyond simply excusing one's behavior because one was lazy/tired/drunk/in lust/under some other mechanical influence or because everybody does the same thing or because the human is imperfect.

In a spiritual sense, self-calming can take many forms of denying reality. Blind belief in a fundamentalistic deity can be an extremely potent agent of self-calming. It is apt to rationalize murder, genocide, pillage and rape. No human debasement is such that the committed true believer could not do it if the hypnosis of blind belief is potent enough.

A still subtler form of this is found in some practices that seek to induce a state of spiritual bliss as an end in itself. In these practices, self-calming hides behind the noble goal of seeking contact with 'higher realities.' A lot of the New Age talk about 'space brothers' being here to save us or that all is right with the world or that one only needs to think nice to have a nice world are agents of self-calming.

Much of pop psychology teaches ways of self-calming.

In all its forms, self-calming promotes subjectivity and further divides the personality from reality as well as promotes the further factionalization of little I's.

Man cannot function in a state of abject horror. Therefore some means of emotional regulation are necessary. The human organism is wired to naturally provide these through mechanisms of dissociation, repressing memories and so forth. These are to a degree necessary for life in the world.

The division between what is self-calming and what is a survival response is not always clear cut. Generally, self-calming is done for comfort and with a degree of deliberateness, even if self-calming itself were rationalized as yet something else, whereas trauma responses are automatic and in real time.