The Kundabuffer, kundalini, chakras and yoga.
One of the concepts that I have not understood well is what Gurdjieff explains about Kundalini. In this post I should like to present some issues related to this
Contents:
1.0 The Kundabuffer and kundalini
1.1 More details about Gurdjieff's undestanding of kundalini
1.2 The origin of the Kundabuffer
1.3 The properties of the Kundabuffer
1.4 How to overcome the influence of the Kundabuffer
1.5 What Gurdjieff may mean by enduring the "displeasing-manifestations-of-others-towards-yourselves."'
1.6 Beelzebub's last thought on how to overcome the Kundabuffer
2.0 Gurdjieff's Kundalini and the Cassiopaean transcripts
3.0 The Cassiopaeans about chakras
3.1 Definitions of a chakra
3.2 Names of different chakras
3.3 Functions and descriptions of individual chakras
3.4 A possible role of chakras
Post two
4.0 The case of the Yogi
4.1 The dictionaries on vortex, chakra, kundalini, tantra, yoga, mantra, yantra, dharana, dhyana, samadhi, laya, tapas, shakti, sankalpa and iccha
4.2 Transcript that may relate to Yoga
5.0 Some questions
6.0 Other sources on kundalini
1.0 The Kundabuffer and Kundalini
Having introduced what Gurdjieff understands by the 'Kundbuffer' and how he relates it to 'Kundalina', it may be worthwhile mentioning what else he has said about Kundalini.
1.2 The origin of the Kundabuffer
Kenlee posted the following in "The Role of Meditation in the Work" thread page six:
The concept of death links Gurdjieff to some practitioners of Tantra, who sometimes do their practices in burial grounds. The reasons may be various, but contemplating the instability of life and living can be one.
Suffering and death was also what inspired Buddha to undertake his change of life. The Encyclopedia Americana, International Edition, of 1968 carries this description under Buddhism written by E. Dale Saunders from the University of Pennsylvania;
Having presented the above should be sufficient to have some idea of what Gurdjieff thinks of kundalini and what to do about it. The question is if it is really true that kundalini is responsible for all the qualities he mentions or is there another factor also. Consider the following from the transcripts:
Could it be that the qualities that Gurdjieff mentions are more a result of the DNA change that were done by the Lizards when they took over the earth's vibrational frequency and locked it into 3rd Density Service to Self?
Also one notes that where Gurdjieff considers the problem to be at the bottom of the spine, the Cassiopaeans suggest it is at the top. Gurdjieff's Beelzebub tells that the angles that created the problem repaired it shortly after they discovered the mistake, the Cassiopaeans say it is still there as are the Lizards. So what is actually going on with this kundalini? Is there a mixture of concepts? If one reads chapter 16 in the Bhagavad Gita one will see that the qualities of the demonic or wrathful names of God, match well with the qualities of STS and the Kundabuffer, but it is not the goal of all practitioners of Indian philosophy to develop these, often the divine qualities aspired for which are also detailed in chapter 16.
3.0 The Cassiopaeans about chakras
Next follow some excerpts from the Cassiopaean transcripts that mention the Chakras. They are grouped depending on whether they deal with chakras in general or relate to specific chakras. The purpose of bringing so many is to create a basis for someday find out if kundalini is what Gurdjieff says it is or possibly something different.
3.1 Definitions of a chakra
3.3 Functions and descriptions of individual chakras
Next are a sequence of quotes ordered according to what chakra they refer. The purpose is to give a more complete idea of what the chakras may be.
Lower moving center - basal chakra
Explaination of the value of grounding
and
Lower emotional center - sexual chakra
If a chakra as explained is:
"A: An energy field that merges density one, two, three or four with five."
And if the primary issue of a chakra is:
"A: The connection with physical imprint locator."
And if:
"A: […]The higher centers are only "seated" by being "magnetized."
And if:
"A: Chakras are like escalators, you choose your step and rise accordingly."
Then it can be that conscious connection to higher densities is through the chakras and as a result the ability to handle physicality becomes open to increasing variability. This is an idea one can explore.
Continued in post # 2.
One of the concepts that I have not understood well is what Gurdjieff explains about Kundalini. In this post I should like to present some issues related to this
Contents:
1.0 The Kundabuffer and kundalini
1.1 More details about Gurdjieff's undestanding of kundalini
1.2 The origin of the Kundabuffer
1.3 The properties of the Kundabuffer
1.4 How to overcome the influence of the Kundabuffer
1.5 What Gurdjieff may mean by enduring the "displeasing-manifestations-of-others-towards-yourselves."'
1.6 Beelzebub's last thought on how to overcome the Kundabuffer
2.0 Gurdjieff's Kundalini and the Cassiopaean transcripts
3.0 The Cassiopaeans about chakras
3.1 Definitions of a chakra
3.2 Names of different chakras
3.3 Functions and descriptions of individual chakras
3.4 A possible role of chakras
Post two
4.0 The case of the Yogi
4.1 The dictionaries on vortex, chakra, kundalini, tantra, yoga, mantra, yantra, dharana, dhyana, samadhi, laya, tapas, shakti, sankalpa and iccha
4.2 Transcript that may relate to Yoga
5.0 Some questions
6.0 Other sources on kundalini
1.0 The Kundabuffer and Kundalini
1.1 More details about Gurdjieff's undestanding of KundaliniGurdjieff in Beelzebubs Tales to his Grandson chapter 21: The First Visit of Beelzebub to India said:(> p. 249)"It is needless to say that from the truths indicated by Saint Buddha Himself absolutely nothing has survived and reached the beings of the present time.
"Half of one of the words, however, managed to reach even the contemporary beings of that unparallelled planet.
"And this half of a word reached them in the following way:
"Saint Buddha among other things explained to the beings of Pearl-land how and to what part of the body of their ancestors the said famous organ Kundabuffer had been attached.
"He told them that the Archangle Looisos had by special means made this organ grow in their ancestors at the extremity of that brain in which in them, just as in you, Nature has placed along their back in what is called the 'spinal column.'
"Saint Buddha, as I also made clear, then also said that though the properties of this organ had been entirely destroyed in their ancestors, yet the material formation of this organ had remained at the lower extremities of this brain; and this material formation, being transmitted from generation to generation, had also reached them.
(> p. 250)"'This material formation,' he said, 'now has no significance whatever in you, and it can be completely destroyed in the course of time, if your being -existence proceeds as is becoming to three-brained beings.'
"It was just when they began wiseacring and inventing various forms of that famous'suffering' of theirs that they also played their usual 'tricks' with this word.
"Namely, first of all, as the root of the second half of this word chanced to coincide with a word in the language of that time which means 'Reflection,' and as they had also invented a means for destroying this material formation rapidly and not merely in the course of time as Saint Buddha had told them, they also wiseacred about this word according to the following rumination of their bob-tailed Reason. Of course, when this organ is in action, it ought to have in its name also the root of the word to 'reflect'; now, since we are destroying even its material basis, the name must end with a word whose root means 'former,' and because 'former' in their current language was then pronounced 'lina,' they changed the second half of this word, and instead of 'reflection,' they stuck in the mentioned 'lina,' so that instead of the word Kundabuffer, they obtained the word 'Kundalina,'
"Thus it was that a half of the word Kundabuffer survived and, being transmitted from generation to generation, finally reached your contemporary favorites also, accompanied, of course, by a thousand and one different explanations.
"Even the contemporary 'learned beings' also have a name made up of very obtruse Latin roots for that part of the spinal marrow.
"The whole of what is called 'Indian-philosophy' now existing there is based also on this famous Kundalina, and about the word itself there exist thousands of various occult, secret and revealed 'sciences' which explain nothing.
Having introduced what Gurdjieff understands by the 'Kundbuffer' and how he relates it to 'Kundalina', it may be worthwhile mentioning what else he has said about Kundalini.
Next are some excerpts from Beelzebubs Tales which describes why the Kundabuffer was created, what it resulted in and how its influence may be overcome?Kenlee in post # 33 of "The Role of Meditation in the Work" thread said:In P.D.Ouspensky's book 'In Search Of The Miraculous' his teacher Gurdjieff says as follows regarding Kundalini or 'pseudo (imaginary) creativity.'
"In so-called 'occult' literature you have probably met with the expression 'Kundalini,' 'the fire of Kundalini,' or the 'serpent of Kundalini.' This expression is often used to designate some kind of strange force which is present in man and which can be awakened. But none of the known theories gives the right explanation of the force of Kundalini. Sometimes it is connected with sex, with sex energy, that is with the idea of the possibility of using sex energy for other purposes. This latter is entirely wrong because Kundalini can be in anything. And above all, Kundalini is not anything desirable or useful for man's development. It is very curious how these occultists have got hold of the word from somewhere but have completely altered its meaning and from a very dangerous and terrible thing have made something to be hoped for and to be awaited as some blessing. In reality Kundalini is the power of imagination, the power of fantasy, which takes the place of a real function. When a man dreams instead of acting, when his dreams take the place of reality, when a man imagines himself to be an eagle, a lion, or a magician, it is the force of Kundalini acting in him. Kundalini can act in all centers and with its help all the centers can be satisfied with the imaginary instead of the real. A sheep which considers itself a lion or a magician lives under the power of Kundalini. "Kundalini is a force put into men in order to keep them in their present state. If men could really see their true position and could understand all the horror of it, they would be unable to remain where they are even for one second. They would begin to seek a way out and they would quickly find it, because there is a way out; but men fail to see it simply because they are hypnotized. Kundalini is the force that keeps them in a hypnotic state. 'To awaken' for man means to be 'dehypnotized.' In this lies the chief difficulty and in this also lies the guarantee of its possibility, for there is no organic reason for sleep and man can awaken. "Theoretically he can, but practically it is almost impossible because as soon as a man awakens for a moment and opens his eyes, all the forces that caused him to fall asleep begin to act upon him with tenfold energy and he immediately falls asleep again, very often dreaming that he is awake or is awakening. "There are certain states in ordinary sleep in which a man wants to awaken but cannot. He tells himself that he is awake but, in reality, he continues to sleep-and this can happen several times before he finally awakes. But in ordinary sleep, once he is awake, he is in a different state; in hypnotic sleep the case is otherwise; there are no objective characteristics, at any rate not at the beginning of awakening; a man cannot pinch himself in order to make sure that he is not asleep. And if, which God forbid, a man has heard anything about objective characteristics, Kundalini at once transforms it all into imagination and dreams".
1.2 The origin of the Kundabuffer
(> p. 88)
"The sacred members of this Most High Commission then reasoned that if the said mechanical instinct in these biped three-brained beings of that planet should develop towards the attainment of Objective Reason - as usually occurs everywhere among three-brained beings - then it might quite possibly happen that they would prematurely comprehend the real cause of their arising and existence and make a great deal of trouble; it might happen that having understood the reason for their arising, namely, that by their existence they should maintain the detached fragment of their planet, and being convinced of this their slavery to circumstances utterly foreign to them they would be unwilling to continue their existence and would on principle destroy themselves.
"So, my boy, in view of this the Most High Commission then decided among other things provisionally to implant into the common presences of the three-brained beings there a special organ with a property such that, first, they should perceive reality topsy-turvy and, secondly, that every repeated impression from outside should crystallize in them data which would engender factors for evoking in them sensations of 'pleasure' and 'enjoyment.'
"And then, in fact, with the help of the Chief-Common-Universal-Arch-Chemist-Physicist Angel Looisos, who was also among the members of this Most High Commission, they caused to grow in the three-brained beings there, in a special way, at the base of their spinal column, at the root (>p. 89) of their tail - which they also, at that time, still had, and which part of their common presences furthermore still had its normal exterior expressing the, so to say, 'full-ness-of-its-inner-significance' - a 'something' which assisted the arising of the said properties in them.
"And this 'something' they then first called the 'organ Kundabuffer'
[…]
"Now, in order that you may have at least an approximate understanding of the results of the properties of the organ devised and actualized by the incomparable Angel Looisos - blessed be his name to all eternity - it is indispensable that you should know about the various manifestations of the three-brained beings of that planet, not only during the period when this organ Kundabuffer existed in their presences, but also during later periods when, although this astonishing organ and its properties had been destroyed in them, nevertheless, owing to many causes, the consequences of its properties had begun to be crystallized in their presences.
"But this I will explain to you later.
" Meanwhile you must note that there was still a third descent of that Most High Comission to that planet, three years later according to objective time-calculations, […]
(> p. 90)"And during this third descent there, when it was made clear by the thorough investigations of the sacred members of this third Most High Commission that for the maintenance of the existence of those said detached fragments there was no longer any need to continue to actualize the deliberately taken anticipated measures, then among the other measures there was also destroyed, with the help of the same Arch-Chemist-Physicist Angel Looisos, in the presences of the three-brained beings there, the said organ Kundabuffer with all its astonishing properties.
[…]
1.3 The properties of the Kundabuffer
(> p. 91) "The process of existence on this planet also began gradually to be established and it seemed, from all appearances that the process of existence was proceeding there just as on all other planets.
"But by close observation, first, it could be clearly seen that the numbers of these three-brained beings were gradually increasing and, secondly, it was possible sometimes to observe very strange manifestations of theirs; that is, from time to time they did something which was never done by three-brained beings on other planets, namely, they would suddenly, without rhyme or reason, begin destroying one another's existence.
[…]
"To this peculiarity of theirs we gradually got used, having explained it to ourselves that obviously, for certain higher considerations, these properties also must deliberately have been given to the organ Kundabuffer by the Most High commission;
(> p. 104) "It was only because they failed to realize 'being-Partk-dolg-duty,' which realization alone enables a being to become aware of genuine reality, […]
"This strange trait of their general psyche, namely, of being satisfied with just what Smith and Brown says, without trying to know more, became rooted in them already long ago, and now they no longer strive at all to know anything congnizable by their own active deliberations alone.
"Concerning all this it must be said that neither the organ Kundabuffer which their ancestors had is to blame, not its consequences which, owing to a mistake on the part of certain Sacred Individuals, were crystallized in (> p.105) their ancestors and later began to pass by heredity from generation to generation.
"But they themselves were personally to blame for it, and just on account of the abnormal conditions of external ordinary being-existence which they themselves have gradually established and which have gradually formed in their common presences just what has now become their inner 'Evil-God,' called 'Self-Calming'
[…]
(> p. 107) As regards their general psyche itself and its fundamental traits, no matter upon what part of the surface of their planet they arise, these traits in all of them have precisely the same particularities, among them being also that property of the three-brained beings there, thanks to which on that strange planet alone in the whole of the Universe does that horrible process occur among three-brained beings which is called the 'process of the destruction of each other's existence,' or, as it is called on that ill-fated planet, 'war.'
"Besides this chief particularity of their common psyche, there are completely crystallized in them and there unfailingly become a part of their common presences - regardless of where they may arise and exist - functions which exist under the names of 'egoism,' 'self-love,' 'vanity,' 'pride,' 'self-conceit,' 'credulity,' 'suggestibility.' And many other properties quite abnormal and quite unbecoming to the essence of any three-brained beings whatsoever.
"Of these abnormal being-particularities, the particularity of their psyche the most terrible for them personally is that which is called 'suggestibility.'
Gurdjieff in Beelzebubs Tales to his Grandson chapter 30 said:(> p.512)
"Just in regard to such unfortunate three-brained beings the surrounding abnormal conditions of ordinary being-existence are already so established that there are bound to be crystallized in their common presences and to become an inseparable part of their general psyche those of the consequences of the organ Kundabuffer which they now themselves call 'swagger,' 'pride,' 'self-love,' 'vanity,' 'self-conceit,' self-enamouredness,' 'envy,' 'hate,' 'offensiveness,' and so on and so forth.
[…]
(> p. 516) "[…] consequences of the properties of the organ Kundabuffer unfailingly crystallized in them and which I have already enumerated, namely 'envy,' 'pride,' 'self-love,' 'vanity,' 'lying,' and so on.
1.4 How to overcome the influence of the KundabufferGurdjieff in Beelzebubs Tales to his Grandson chapter 39 said:(> p.782) "At the present time there, your favorites already know only of one, the first being-food, and they know about that only because, in the first place, even without their wish, they could not help knowing about it; and secondly the process of its use there has already become for them also a vice and occupies an equal rightful place alongside other of their weaknesses, which were gradually crystallized in them as consequences of the properties of the, maleficent for them, organ Kundabuffer.
1.5 What Gurdjieff may mean by enduring the "displeasing-manifestations-of-others-towards-yourselves."'Gurdjieff in chapter 21: "The First Visit of Beelzebub to India" said:It turned out, indeed, that Saint Buddha Himself had, in the curse of His explanations to some of His closest initiates initiated by Himself, very definitely expressed Himself concerning the means of the possible destruction in their nature of the mentioned consequences of the properties of the organ Kundabuffer transmitted to them by heredity.
"He then, among other things, told them very definitely the following:
"One of the best means of rendering ineffective the predisposition present in your nature of the crystallization of the consequence of the properties of the organ Kundabuffer is "intentional-suffering"; and the greatest intentional-suffering can be obtained in your presences if you compel yourselves to be able to endure the "displeasing-manifestations-of-others-towards-yourselves."'
Kenlee posted the following in "The Role of Meditation in the Work" thread page six:
1.6 Beelzebub's last thought on how to overcome the KundabufferKenlee in post #55 of "The Role of Meditation in the Work" thread said:To add to what has already been said above I quoted an excerpt from the book Views From The Real World. One important tool that Gurdjieff mentions is 'active reasoning' which takes much practice (emphasis in quote is mine).
Liberation leads to liberation.
These are the first words of truth—not truth in quotation marks but truth in the real meaning of the word; truth which is not merely theoretical, not simply a word, but truth that can be realized in practice. The meaning behind these words may be explained as follows:
By liberation is meant the liberation which is the aim of all schools, all religions, at all times.
This liberation can indeed be very great. All men desire it and strive after it. But it cannot be attained without the first liberation, a lesser liberation. The great liberation is liberation from influences outside us. The lesser liberation is liberation from influences within us.
At first, for beginners, this lesser liberation appears to be very great, for a beginner depends very little on external influences. Only a man who has already become free of inner influences falls under external influences.
Inner influences prevent a man from falling under external influences. Maybe it is for the best. Inner influences and inner slavery come from many varied sources and many independent factors—independent in that sometimes it is one thing and sometimes another, for we have many enemies.
There are so many of these enemies that life would not be long enough to struggle with each of them and free ourselves from each one separately. So we must find a method, a line of work, which will enable us simultaneously to destroy the greatest possible number of enemies within us from which these influences come.
I said that we have many independent enemies, but the chief and most active are vanity and self-love.
One teaching even calls them representatives and messengers of the devil himself. For some reason they are also called Mrs. Vanity and Mr. Self-Love.
As I have said, there are many enemies. I have mentioned only these two as the most fundamental. At the moment it is hard to enumerate them all. It would be difficult to work on each of them directly and specifically, and it would take too much time since there are so many. So we have to deal with them indirectly in order to free ourselves from several at once.
These representatives of the devil stand unceasingly at the threshold which separates us from the outside, and prevent not only good but also bad external influences from entering. Thus they have a good side as well as a bad side.
For a man who wishes to discriminate among the influences he receives, it is an advantage to have these watchmen. But if a man wishes all influences to enter, no matter what they may be—for it is impossible to select only the good ones—he must liberate himself as much as possible, and finally altogether, from these watchmen, whom some consider undesirable.
For this there are many methods, and a great number of means. Personally I would advise you to try freeing yourselves and to do so without unnecessary theorizing, by simple reasoning, active reasoning, with yourselves. Through active reasoning this is possible, but if anyone does not succeed, if he fails to do so by this method, there are no other means for what is to follow.
Take, for instance, self-love, which occupies almost half of our time and our life. If someone, or something, has wounded our self-love from outside, then, not only at that moment but for a long time afterwards, its momentum closes all the doors, and therefore shuts out life.
When I am connected with outside, I live. If I live only inside myself, it is not life; but everybody lives thus. When I examine myself, I connect myself with the outside.
For instance, now I sit here. M. is here and also K. We live together. M. called me a fool—I am offended. K. gave me a scornful look—I am offended. I consider, I am hurt and shall not calm down and come to myself for a long time.
All people are so affected, all have similar experiences the whole time. One experience subsides, but no sooner has it subsided than another of the same nature starts. Our machine is so arranged that there are no separate places where different things can be experienced simultaneously.
We have only one place for our psychic experiences. And so if this place is occupied with such experiences as these, there can be no question of our having the experiences we desire. And if certain attainments or liberations are supposed to bring us to certain experiences, they will not do so if things remain as they are.
M. called me a fool. Why should I be offended? Such things do not hurt me, so I don't take offense—not because I have no self-love; maybe I have more self-love than anyone here. Maybe it is this very self-love that does not let me be offended. I think, I reason in a way exactly the reverse of the usual way. He called me a fool. Must he necessarily be wise? He himself may be a fool or a lunatic. One cannot demand wisdom from a child. I cannot expect wisdom from him. His reasoning was foolish. Either someone has said something to him about me, or he has formed his own foolish opinion that I am a fool—so much the worse for him. I know that I am not a fool, so it does not offend me. If a fool has called me a fool, I am not affected inside.
But if in a given instance I was a fool and am called a fool, I am not hurt, because my task is not to be a fool; I assume this to be everyone's aim. So he reminds me, helps me to realize that I am a fool and acted foolishly. I shall think about it and perhaps not act foolishly next time.
So, in either case I am not hurt.
K. gave me a scornful look. It does not offend me. On the contrary, I feel sorry for him because of the dirty look he gave me. For a dirty look must have a reason behind it. Can he have such a reason?
I know myself. I can judge from my knowledge of myself. He gave me a dirty look. Possibly someone had told him something that made him form a bad opinion of me. I am sorry for him because he is so much a slave that he looks at me through other people's eyes. This proves that he is not. He is a slave and so, he cannot hurt me.
I say all this as an example of reasoning.
Actually, the secret and the cause of all such things lies in the fact that we do not possess ourselves nor do we possess genuine self-love. Self-love is a great thing. If we consider self-love, as we generally understand it, as reprehensible, then it follows that true self-love—which, unfortunately, we do not possess—is desirable and necessary.
Self-love is a sign of a high opinion of oneself. If a man has this self-love it proves what he is.
As we have said earlier, self-love is a representative of the devil; it is our chief enemy, the main brake to our aspirations and our achievements. Self-love is the principal weapon of the representative of hell.
But self-love is an attribute of the soul. By self-love one can discern the spirit.
Self-love indicates and proves that a given man is a particle of heaven. Self-love is I—I is God. Therefore it is desirable to have self-love.
Self-love is hell, and self-love is heaven. These two, bearing the same name, are outwardly alike, but totally different and opposite to one another in essence.
But if we look superficially, we can go on looking throughout our whole life without ever distinguishing the one from the other.
These were 'grandfathers" last words. Gurdjieff has detailed what he meant in the talk called "The Last Hour of Life", I found it in Russian on a website Ark gave.Gurdjieff in chapter 47: "The Inevitable Results of Impartial Mentation" said:"The sole means now for the saving of the beings of the planet Earth would be to implant again into their presences a new organ, an organ like the Kundabuffer, but this time of such properties that every one of these unfortunates during the process of existence should constantly sense and be congnizant of the inevitability of his own death as well as of the death of everyone upon whom his eyse or attention rests.
"Only such a sensation and such a congnizance can now destroy the egoism completely crystallized in them that has swallowed up the whole of their Essence and also that tendency to hate other which flows from it - the tendency namely, which engenders all those mutual relationships existing there, which serve as the chief cause of all their abnormalities unbecoming to three-brained beings and maleficent for them themselves and for the whole of the Universe,"
The concept of death links Gurdjieff to some practitioners of Tantra, who sometimes do their practices in burial grounds. The reasons may be various, but contemplating the instability of life and living can be one.
Suffering and death was also what inspired Buddha to undertake his change of life. The Encyclopedia Americana, International Edition, of 1968 carries this description under Buddhism written by E. Dale Saunders from the University of Pennsylvania;
2.0 Gurdjieff's kundalini and the Cassiopaean transcriptsSiddhartha leads a life of royal ease in his father's palace, protected from all contact with the outside world. Four times, however, he succeeds to leave the palace and on each occasion, respectively, meets an old man, a sick man, a dead man, and a religious. Those encounters are known as the Four Meetings. From them the bodhisattva realises four essential verities: old age is inescapable, as are sickness and death, and the ultimate solution to suffering lies in following the religious way.
Having presented the above should be sufficient to have some idea of what Gurdjieff thinks of kundalini and what to do about it. The question is if it is really true that kundalini is responsible for all the qualities he mentions or is there another factor also. Consider the following from the transcripts:
941126 said:A: Partly. The mark of Cain means the "jealousy factor" of change facilitated by Lizard takeover of earth's vibrational frequency. Knot on spine is physical residue of DNA restriction deliberately added by Lizards. See?
Q: (L) Okay, J** is going to move her hand up my back and you tell her when to stop at the "knot".
A: Okay.
Q: (L) You mean the occipital ridge?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What was the configuration of the spine and skull prior to this addition?
A: Spine had no ridge there. Jealousy emanates from there, you can even feel it.
Q: (L) Do any of these emotions that we have talked about that were generated by DNA breakdown, were any of these related to what Carl Sagan discusses when he talks about the "Reptilian Brain"?
A: In a roundabout way.
Q: (L) Okay, at the time this "Mark of Cain" came about, were there other humans on the planet that did not have this configuration?
A: It was added to all simultaneously.
Q: (L) How did they physically go about performing this act? What was the mechanism of this event, the nuts and bolts of it?
A: Are you ready? DNA core is as yet undiscovered enzyme relating to carbon. Light waves were used to cancel the first ten factors of DNA by burning them off. At that point, a number of physical changes took place including knot at
top of spine. Each of these is equally reflected in the ethereal.
000923 said:A: Ego is a terrible thing!
941119 said:A: Close. They are aware but in denial.
Q: (T) Are these earth changes going to occur prior to the arrival of the cometary cluster?
A: No. But "time" frame is, as of yet, undetermined.
Q: (T) Am I correct in saying that if they knew what was really going to happen that they would still continue with their stupid little plans to make money and try to control the world?
A: Yes. Greed is a sickness.
Could it be that the qualities that Gurdjieff mentions are more a result of the DNA change that were done by the Lizards when they took over the earth's vibrational frequency and locked it into 3rd Density Service to Self?
Also one notes that where Gurdjieff considers the problem to be at the bottom of the spine, the Cassiopaeans suggest it is at the top. Gurdjieff's Beelzebub tells that the angles that created the problem repaired it shortly after they discovered the mistake, the Cassiopaeans say it is still there as are the Lizards. So what is actually going on with this kundalini? Is there a mixture of concepts? If one reads chapter 16 in the Bhagavad Gita one will see that the qualities of the demonic or wrathful names of God, match well with the qualities of STS and the Kundabuffer, but it is not the goal of all practitioners of Indian philosophy to develop these, often the divine qualities aspired for which are also detailed in chapter 16.
3.0 The Cassiopaeans about chakras
Next follow some excerpts from the Cassiopaean transcripts that mention the Chakras. They are grouped depending on whether they deal with chakras in general or relate to specific chakras. The purpose of bringing so many is to create a basis for someday find out if kundalini is what Gurdjieff says it is or possibly something different.
3.1 Definitions of a chakra
An escalator is a self-moving staircase, a word which will appear later.950101 said:Q: […] (V) What chakra level is G*** operating at?
A: Chakras are like escalators, you choose your step and rise accordingly.
Q: (G) Well, I was hoping they would give me a number. I don't know much about chakras.
A: Learn.
Q: (T) The whole thing is that we are supposed to learn for ourselves. They will point us in the right direction, but then we are supposed to go out and do it. If you don't learn it on your own, you don't really learn. You have to go out and fall off the log a couple times to learn to walk the log.
950101 said:Q: (V) With meditation and metaphysical exercise, I can lift my chakras higher, is this correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (V) Dedication?
A: Yes.
Q: (V) Is it all in what I perceive my purpose to be?
A: Yes.
3.2 Names of different chakras950603 said:Q: (T) I don't even know what I said! (L) Try it this way. We are talking about an aura. In an aura system in the physical body, it can sometimes reflect both the spiritual and physical state of the person. Is this location similar to a chakra?
A: If you prefer or other.
Q: (L) Similar to a chakra?
A: These ar all merely labels.
Q: (L) Okay, so it is like an energy vortex?
A: Okay...
Q: (L) An energy vortex in the body, a chakra in the body, is a place where the body energy interfaces with the universe. Tell us about chakras, S***. (SV) There are all different kinds. There are the seven major chakras, the ones in the palms, almost every joint in the body has a chakra... (T) What do they do? (L) An interface point? (SV) Yes. (L) Is this what we are talking about here? An interface between this density and other densities?
A: First of all, "chakras" are a little understood and nonproven phenomenon. Now, it just so happens they do exist, but in different form than reported by many in the so called "psychic" community. So you see, you have opened yet another "can of worms."
Q: […] (L) ...what, exactly, is a chakra?
A: An energy field that merges density one, two, three or four with five.
Q: (T) A focus point that merges densities to fifth density contemplation level?
A: Close.
Q: (T) What purpose do we merge to the contemplation level through the chakras?
A: You are all connected with level five on a short wave cycle, reference text.
Q: (L) Does each chakra relate to a color as we have been told?
A: In a sense, but not primary issue.
Q: (L) What is the primary issue?
A: The connection with physical imprint locator.
Q: (L) So, that has to do with this area right here? Are we back to the house?
A: On a physical body, density levels one through four.
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Q: […] (SV) I wonder if there are seven major chakras in the same place as described by others. […]
Q: […] (L) SVwants to know if there are seven major chakras related to the physical body as has been taught by many sources?
A: It varies according to individuals.
Q: (SV) You mean some people have more chakras than others?
A: Name a "chakra."
Q: (L) Is there a base chakra, the root chakra?
A: We asked you to name one.
Q: (L) Well, we named one. (SV) There's the heart chakra, the third eye, I don't know the Hindu names for them... (L) Name a person?
A: No.
Q: (SV) The lady who wrote "Hands of Light" said that when she does healings, spirit guides...
A: What happens to those who have major body parts missing?
Q: (J) Oooh! (SV) But the etheric field is still there! They have proven that with Kirlian photography...
A: Is that the same thing?
Q: (L) Well, is that which is photographed by Kirlian photography the same thing that makes up the chakras? (SV) Well, you would have the seven major ones... you can't live without a head and torso... (L) What happens when you have organs, the glands related to the chakras, taken out. Women have hysterectomies all the time...
A: Good question!
Q: (SV) But the energy's still there even though the body parts are gone! That's what I have been taught.
A: Who says?
Q: (SV) Do you want to know the names of my instructors?
A: All we are trying to point out to you, is that you are delving into an area where purported fact is not proven, and the entire subject is only slightly understood at your level. It is better to get facts before proclaiming knowledge, lest you make serious mistakes!
[…]
(T) They have been saying that the chakras as they have been taught may not be entirely accurate. The information about these energy points is that they do not exist as they have been laid out by others, but that they exist in different people in different places because of the way the energ flows in each individual. They don't always exist in the same place just as the energy vortexes on the planet fluctuate and change. So, within the person the energy changes and fluctuates... (J) Do the chakras move around?
A: They may.
Q: (T) Do different people have different numbers of chakras?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) So, the whole idea of chakra work, not to take anything away from what SVhas been doing, is very much incorrect as it is laid out?
A: Maybe.
Q: (SV) Okay, if you sensitize your hands, could you pick up on this energy on the body? Could you detect the chakras?
A: Maybe.
Q: (T) Will Reiki allow you to find the chakras as they move about?
A: Maybe.
Q: (SV) What about Therapeutic Touch?
A: Maybe.
[…]
Q: (T) Is it that this energy will move just like the energy in a body will move. We are working at this point because, at this time, this is where the localized energy is in this area, but that this is going to be moving?
A: Again, you have touched upon a group of subjects that require massive study to accurately explain.
Q: (J) Does this mean that we have to study and learn more before we can even discuss this with you?
A: Close.
Q: (SV) Would Edgar Cayce's material be a good place to start?
A: This is a good place to start, but it will take much "time" and effort.
Q: (L) Are you suggesting that perhaps this is a subject that we don't need to go into?
A: Up to you.
First we had escalator and now staircase. Would the experiences of the escalation on the staircase sometimes match those who speak in terms of Kundalini? One may need to consider that there were few staircases or escalators in the Himalayas or rural Hindustan. Further down there is a word study of some yogic terms, the idea was that if there is a relationship, then one might be able to find it in the meaning of the words. If some of the terms the yogis use match the descriptions the Cassiopaeans and others have given in English, then there is a chance they are speaking of something similar.020713 said:Q: (V) What is the "origin" of these organic portal human types? In the scheme of creation, where did they come from?
A: They were originally part of the bridge between 2nd density and 3rd density. Review transcripts on the subject of short wave cycles and long wave cycles.
Q: (A) Now, I was reading in the transcripts that sleep is necessary for human beings because it was a period of rest and recharging. You also said that the SOUL rests while the body is sleeping. So, the question is: what source of energy is tapped to recharge both the body and the soul?
A: The question needs to be separated. What happens to a souled individual is different from an organic portal unit.
Q: (L) I guess that means that the life force energy that is embodied in Organic Portals is something like the soul pool that is theorized to exist for flora and fauna. This would, of course, explain the striking and inexplicable similarity of psychopaths, that is so well defined that they only differ from one another in the way that different species of trees are different in the overall class of Tree-ness. So, if they don't have souls, where does the energy come from that recharges Organic Portals?
A: The pool you have described.
Q: Does the recharging of the souled being come from a similar pool, only maybe the "human" pool?
A: No - it recharges from the so-called sexual center which is a higher center of creative energy. During sleep, the emotional center, not being blocked by the lower intellectual cener and the moving center, transduces the energy from the sexual center. It is also the time during which the higher emotional and intellectual centers can rest from the "drain" of the lower centers' interaction with those pesky organic portals so much loved by the lower centers. This respite alone is sufficient to make a difference. But, more than that, the energy of the sexual center is also more available to the other higher centers.
Q: (L) Well, the next logical question was: where does the so-called "sexual center" get ITS energy?
A: The sexual center is in direct contact with 7th density in its "feminine" creative thought of "Thou, I Love." The "outbreath" of "God" in the relief of constriction. Pulsation. Unstable Gravity Waves.
Q: Do the "centers" as described by Mouravieff relate at all to the idea of "chakras?"
A: Quite closely. In an individual of the organic variety, the so-called higher chakras are "produced in effect" by stealing that energy from souled beings. This is what gives them the ability to emulate souled beings. The souled being is, in effect, perceiving a mirror of their own soul when they ascribe "soul qualities" to such beings.
Q: Is this a correspondence that starts at the basal chakra which relates to the sexual center as described by Mouravieff?
A: No. The "sexual center" corresponds to the solar plexus.
Lower moving center - basal chakra
Lower emotional - sexual chakra
Lower intellectual - throat chakra
Higher emotional - heart chakra
Higher intellectual - crown chakra
Q: (L) What about the so-called seventh, or "third eye" chakra?
A: Seer. The union of the heart and intellectual higher centers.
[Laura's note: This would "close the circuit" in the "shepherd's crook" configuration.]
Q: (V) What about the many ideas about 12 chakras, and so forth, that are currently being taught by many new age sources? [Barbara Marciniak, for one.]
A: There are no such. This is a corrupted conceptualization based on the false belief that the activation of the physical endocrine system is the same as the creation and fusion of the magnetic center. The higher centers are only "seated" by being "magnetized." And this more or less "External" condition [location of the higher centers] has been perceived by some individuals and later joined to the perceived "seating" locations, in potential. This has led to "cross conceptualization" based on assumption!
Q: Are the levels of initiation and levels of the staircase as presented by Mouravieff fairly accurate?
A: Yes, but different levels accessed in other so-called lives can relieve the intensity of some levels in "another" life.
Q: (L) So work on the self in different incarnations - assuming one is not an organic portal - can be cumulative? You can pick up where you left off if you screw up?
A: Yes. To some extent. For now, then, good night.
3.3 Functions and descriptions of individual chakras
Next are a sequence of quotes ordered according to what chakra they refer. The purpose is to give a more complete idea of what the chakras may be.
Lower moving center - basal chakra
991023 said:Q: I want to you have lost a fan because he was not happy with what he considered to be "internal inconsistencies" in that you were NOT favorably disposed toward hallucinations produced by substances such as Mescaline and Ayahuasca, but yet you recommend Melatonin because it is a hallucinogen. Then, you said that spiritual powers could not be obtained through chemicals or plant type means, but then said that Melatonin exercises psychic abilities. Could you comment on this?
A: Several comments: First of all, "fan" is short for "fanatic." Secondly, melatonin does not force an alteration in physiological brain chemicals, as do mescaline, peyote, LSD, etc. Accessing the higher levels of psychical awareness through such processes is harmful to the balance levels of the prime chakra. This is because it alters the natural rhythms of psychic development by causing reliance on the part of the subject, thus subjugating the learning process. It is a form of self-imposed abridging of free will. Melatonin simply allows the system to clear obstructions in the brain chemistry naturally, thereby allowing the subject to continue to learn at a natural pace. And, it is by no means unimportant that melatonin is a natural body hormone. The other substances mentioned are, at least in part, synthetic, with the exception of peyote. But even that is not a natural ingredient of the human physiological being. And besides, we have already discussed the importance, or lack thereof, of those who pass judgment upon this exercise, or communication.
The above could make one think that some kundalini experiences are created by mixing state of mind with expectation and who with the aid of some 4th D. STS941107 said:Q: (L) Carlos Casteneda writes about the peyote beings called "Mescalitos." This being supposedly is part of the peyote plant, a sort of being from the plant. Is this true?
A: No.
Q: (L) What beings does one encounter when one eats a bunch of peyote?
A: Hallucination.
Q: (L) Why are these hallucinations so consistent?
A: Because those that do have that expectation. If you ate enough peyote you would encounter Santa Claus if that was your expectation. (Much laughter)
Explaination of the value of grounding
Lower moving center - basal chakra980221 said:Q: Okay, thank you. Now, in this other book, 'The White Goddess' about the Triple Goddess, alphabets, trees, which this author tracks back to the goddess Danu who Rhys identifies as Cassiopaea... but, in this particular section, it brings up something about which I have been EXTREMELY curious... the lame king, the wounded thigh, and the heel issue which is connected to the thigh issue... the thigh of Zeus and the heel of Achilles. Well, it seems that a LOT of heroes or 'gods' had this thigh or heel issue and that later, the divine right of kings was connected to this and often a king was ritually lamed. It seems that the wound in the thigh led to an inability to place the heel on the ground which then led to a taboo against the king putting his feet on the ground altogether. Why the ban against the king putting his feet on the ground? Why did the heel have to be protected from contact with the earth?
A: In order to interrupt grounding of chakras.
Q: What happens when the chakras are grounded?
A: What happens to you?
Q: Well, a circuit is closed and energy flows out of you. When you are grounded energy flows out of you or through you...
A: Or in.
Q: Why?
A: Would you do Reiki with high heels on?
Q: No. You take your shoes off.
A: Why?
Q: So that you complete the circuit so the energy comes into you to give to another person.
A: Yes.
Q: So, if you have a king whose feet are not allowed to touch the ground, that becomes an altogether STS mode of existence, I would think...
A: Puppetry, as one sees today.
Q: Then, when the individual has been lamed, they have become a puppet.
A: Yes, and who is the puppeteer?
Q: They have become part of the Chain of Command... STS.
A: Yes.
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Lower emotional center - sexual chakra
Learning Chakra = Lower intellectual - throat chakra941106 said:Q: (L) I have drawn a sort of conclusion about some of the activities of the Lizzies and their abductions through the Grays and so forth, and it seems to me that these excessive numbers of exams, gynecological, reproductive or whatever exams might possibly be a screen for a process that is used to extract life force or energy from the human being, through the basal chakra, the sexual chakra, as I understand where the life force enters in. Is this idea correct or on track?
A: Close.
Q: (L) It does seem that the Grays and Lizzies are abnormally interested in sexual activities of human beings, is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Why are they so inordinately interested in this and why do they practice sex, sexual aberrations, or do they have a tremendous sex drive even though they are fourth density beings?
A: Too many questions; one at a time.
Q: (L) Do they have tremendous sex drives even though they are in fourth density?
A: No.
Q: (L) Are they interested in sexual energy simply because it is life force?
A: Partly and also desperately to stave off change in order to retain control.
Q: (L) What changes are they desperate to stave off?
A: To 4th level.
Q: (L) They are trying to stave off the 4th level change. Can they do that?
A: No. Also hoping to retain control even if change occurs.
Higher emotional - heart chakra950114 said:Q: (L) Why do I have this gripping and pinching sensation on the back of my neck right at this moment?
A: We are blasting open your learning chakra.
Higher intellectual - crown chakra981212 said:Q: (BRH) I have been thinking about arranging to work fewer hours so that I can have time to write a book...
A: Use your heart chakra to answer this. […]
The expression "tranceiving system" may relate to the following also?002119 said:A: Stonehenge used to resonate with tonal rill, teaching the other wise unteachable with wisdoms entered psychically through crown chakra transceiving system. [Note: the word "rill" is new to me. Webster defines it as a small stream or a little brook; to flow in or like a rill.]
020713 said:Q: (L) What about the so-called seventh, or "third eye" chakra?
A: Seer. The union of the heart and intellectual higher centers.
000415 said:Q: (J) What exactly is the function of the pituitary gland in your references to Stonehenge?
A: This gland is your uplink.
Q: (L) Is it possible that the pituitary can be stimulated by external sources such as radio waves, waves from a supernova, or other frequencies in the environment?
A: Yes and experiments have ensued.
Q: (L) Would it be beneficial for us to experiment with such things?
A: Not wise. You could fry yourself in your zeal.
Q: (J) Are you guys actually channelling through your pituitary via radio waves?
A: This channeling process is comprehensive. Spiritual/psychic/physical.
Q: (L) I guess we aren't supposed to do any experimentation with it though.
A: You can experiment, but not technologically.
And if a lot of people are being prevented/preventing it from happening then what?950311 said:Q: […] (L) Okay, guys, let's connect our brain cells here!
A: No need to connect "brain cells," using your chakras will do!
Q: (L) Don't connect your brain cells, connect your chakras. How do we connect our chakras? (T) I didn't know that you could connect them? (S) They are all connected always. (L) But I mean how do we connect them with each other? (S) Think it, I guess.
A: Discover.
Q: (L) Can you give us a clue on this? (T) Meditation?
A: You are missing the point, don't search, just let it happen when it is ready.
3.4 A possible role of chakras20050109 said:Q: Regarding the recent earthquake and tsunami, there is a huge buzz on the net that this was not a natural phenomenon. Some say that it could have been a meteor; others say it was a US nuke; others say it was India and Israel playing around in the undersea trenches. Then there is the speculation on an EM weapon of some description. The New agers are saying it was the start of the final 'Earth Changes'. So what really caused this earthquake that happened one year minus one hour after the earthquake in Iran?
A: Pressure in earth. Not any of the proferred suggestions. But remember that the human cycle mirrors the cycle of catastrophe and human mass consciousness plays a part.
Q: In what way does mass consciousness play a part?
A: When those with higher centers are blocked from full manifestation of creative energy, that energy must go somewhere. If you cannot create "without" you create "within".
If a chakra as explained is:
"A: An energy field that merges density one, two, three or four with five."
And if the primary issue of a chakra is:
"A: The connection with physical imprint locator."
And if:
"A: […]The higher centers are only "seated" by being "magnetized."
And if:
"A: Chakras are like escalators, you choose your step and rise accordingly."
Then it can be that conscious connection to higher densities is through the chakras and as a result the ability to handle physicality becomes open to increasing variability. This is an idea one can explore.
Continued in post # 2.