The reality of the Jewish Holocaust


Jedi Master
It is illegal in most countries to deny the Holocaust. I'm not doing that here.

I am posting this link for people who ever encounter Holocaust deniers, to provide people with the knowledge they may need in order to argue with a Holocaust denier.

It surprised me to find that somehow, scientific evidence of the gas chambers used by the Germans to exterminate 6 million Jews (leading to the 4 million Jews living in german occupied Europe - according to available cencus information- to sue the german government 8 million times, for those 6 million deaths post world war 2) was apparently fabricated.

So , these alleged 'facts' determined by scientific research of the gas chambers used at Auswitch are patently absurd.

gas chamber expert Fred Leuchter:_


Padawan Learner
Hi Inquorate,

I'm not a denier of the massive killing that went on during this time throughout Europe either. As I'm a blond and blue-eyed German I still don't feel to be allowed to think and speak about this twisted subject. By now I think some of these alleged 'facts' like the numbers of exterminated jews and the killing through gas chambers are zionistic propaganda. To get a more balanced few of what might really have happened back then I watched some parts of this english documentary a while ago, which gets deleted regularly on youtube:

I think it's an interesting talk, but I haven't watched it fully yet:

When I tried to find an english version of the book "Die deutsche Karte" I somehow ended up reading this:


Padawan Learner
After all, "we" are still occupied, paying and guilty...

The C's once said "it" was a test run and I can't help seeing history repeating.

Please excuse me and delete my post, if you feel it to be inappropriate but I feel the need to copy the article I linked above, as it's not german textbook history:

Thomas Goodrich
Hellstorm: The Death of Nazi Germany, 1944–1947 [2]
Sheridan, Colorado: Aberdeen Books, 2010

What is hell?

I’ve often pondered what the concept “hell” entailed; what it means to be living in the absence of “God,” the supreme creative force behind all life. After reading Thomas Goodrich’s breathtaking and physically nauseating analytical narrative of the burnt offering – Holocaust – of Germany I now know what hell looks like and how its inhabitants live and behave.

Relentless, reckless, and senseless hate of a magnitude so profound, so immense, that I am still unable to understand it. And then the irony of it all: that former inhabitants of Europe – Europeans – were responsible for inculcating hell in their own Heimat (homeland).

Who but the Devil itself could make a family turn on itself, causing it to tear itself apart in such a murderous, inhuman fashion that the victims are left unrecognizable after all the torture, abuse, burning, systematic rape, and beatings subsides?

Who or what could inspire such madness? Thomas Goodrich answers this question silently, subtly, but matter-of-factly – the Jews in Communist Russia (the former USSR) and Capitalist America and Britain.

Hellstorm is the type of book that changes lives. Goodrich is the type of author who literally puts you, the reader, there in the midst of hell. And what is this hell that he forces you to experience page after page, torture after torture, and rape after rape? One that has been all but forgotten; the only hell the modern age really knows:

The Allied Holocaust of National Socialist Germany

The Propaganda

Goodrich describes the Allied-induced inferno in more detail than most need to know to gain an understanding of the depths of Allied criminality and hatred, but the detail is necessary. Without the detail no one will really know what hell is. Here’s a taste of it.

A German woman has her jaws forced open by the filthy brutish hands of a Soviet serial rapist. He literally spits into her mouth and forces her to swallow his salivary filth as he rams her body again . . . and again . . . and again – until he’s satisfied fulfilling his oath to Stalin and his chief Holocaust propagandist, Ilya Ehrenburg. Stalin officially sanctioned the systematic rape of German women. Ilya Ehrenburg, for his part as the lascivious advocator of rape of German women, helped the Red Army perpetrate the largest gynocide and mass rape in recorded history.

Commissar Ehrenburg’s pamphlet — distributed in the millions among Red Army troops on the front lines of battle who were already intoxicated with hate and vengefulness as a result of over two decades of Bolshevik oppression, mass murder of their families and mass collectivization — urged Soviet troops to plunder, rape and KILL.

The final paragraph of his pamphlet entitled “Kill” reads:

The Germans are not human beings. From now on, the word ‘German’ is the most horrible curse. From now on, the word ‘German’ strikes us to the quick. We have nothing to discuss. We will not get excited. We will kill. If you have not killed at least one German a day, you have wasted that day… If you cannot kill a German with a bullet, then kill him with your bayonet. If your part of the front is quiet and there is no fighting, then kill a German in the meantime…If you have already killed a German, then kill another one — there is nothing more amusing to us than a heap of German corpses. Don’t count the days, don’t count the kilometers. Count only one thing: the number of Germans you have killed.

Kill the Germans!…

– Kill the Germans!


And in another leaflet:

The Germans must be killed. One must kill them…Do you feel sick? Do you feel a nightmare in your breast?…Kill a German! If you are a righteous and conscientious man –

kill a German!

. . . Kill!

Ehrenburg, like any skilled propagandist with a penchant for revenge and training in human psychology, appealed to the basest instincts of his men, urging them to rape and wantonly slaughter other human beings at will. There would be no penalties for this injustice as it was all officially sanctioned.


Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil! Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin. Stamp out the fascist beast once and for all in its lair! Use force and break the racial pride of these German women. Take them as your lawful booty. Kill! As you storm onward, kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army.

The Gynocide

I went into Goodrich’s book expecting to read little more than I already knew about the worst gynocide and mass rape of womankind in recorded history, but I was in for a shock. As an individual who looks out for women’s interests, I was repeatedly overcome with emotion while reading of the indescribable genital mutilations, deliberate and systematic terrorism, gang-rape and wanton mass murder of women.


From eight to eighty, healthy or ill, indoors or out, in fields, on sidewalks, against walls, the spiritual massacre of German women continued unabated. When even violated corpses could no longer be of use, sticks, iron bars, and telephone receivers were commonly rammed up their vaginas. (p. 155)

Brazilian German Leonora Cavoa:

“Suddenly I heard loud screams, and immediately two Red Army soldiers brought in five girls. The Commissar ordered them to undress. When they refused out of modesty, he ordered me to do it to them, and for all of us to follow him. We crossed the yard to the former works kitchen, which had been completely cleared out except for a few tables on the window side. It was terribly cold, and the poor girls shivered. In the large, tiled room some Russians were waiting for us, making remarks that must have been very obscene, judging from how everything they said drew gales of laughter. The Commissar told me to watch and learn how to turn the Master Race into whimpering bits of misery.”

The horror that ensued nearly defies written description, as no written description can actually make a reader of either sex feel and genuinely know the pain and suffering inflicted in this neverending horror show. The victims’ pain and suffering must have seemed like hours and hours . . . an entire lifetime . . . I can’t imagine. I try not to imagine it because about 2,000 women in the Nemmersdorf area alone suffered a similar fate.

“. . . Now two Poles came in, dressed only in their trousers, and the girls cried out at their sight. They quickly grabbed the first of the girls, and bent her backwards over the edge of the table until her joints cracked. I was close to passing out as one of them took his knife and, before the very eyes of the other girls, cut off her right breast. He paused for a moment, then cut off the other side. I have never heard anyone scream as desperately as that girl. After this operation he drove his knife into her abdomen several times, which again was accompanied by the cheers of the Russians.”


Picture it.

Imagine it.

Live it.

Force yourself to see your own body mutilated in similar fashion; force yourself to picture a knife plunging into your abdomen again . . . and again . . . your short lifetime come to this end: you know you are about to die. You are being murdered; your body brutally tortured by a mob of brutal sadists. Try to imagine the horror and the helplessness you would feel as your person was mutilated and your very life bleeding away on a table.

Can a human being really suffer a worse injustice than this?

Now . . . step back out of the scene and analyze this needless, inhuman horror with the gift of hindsight. This victim was not just the victim of these Red Army men, reduced to base animal instinct and mentality, but she was also the victim of an ideology inspired by Judaism and a Jewish propagandist named Ilya Ehrenburg.


The next girl cried for mercy, but in vain—it even seemed that the gruesome deed was done particularly slowly because she was especially pretty. The other three had collapsed, they cried for their mothers and begged for a quick death, but the same fate awaited them as well. The last of them was still almost a child, with barely developed breasts. They literally tore the flesh off her ribs until the white bones showed.

Loud howls of approval began when someone brought a saw from a tool chest. This was used to tear up the breasts of the other girls, which soon caused the floor to be awash in blood. The Russians were in a blood frenzy. More girls were being brought in continually.

I saw these grisly proceedings as through a red haze.

Leonora tried to dissociate from the situation, which is one of the brain’s foremost methods for dealing with psychological and physical trauma. But to no avail, the Russian and Polish “soldiers” disallowed it.

. . . Over and over again I heard the terrible screams when the breasts were tortured, and the loud groans at the mutilation of the genitals. . . . t was always the same, the begging for mercy, the high-pitched scream when the breasts were cut and the groans when the genitals were mutilated. The slaughter was interrupted several times to sweep the blood out of the room and clear away the bodies. . . . When my knees buckled I was forced onto a chair. The Commissar always made sure that I was watching, and when I had to throw up they even paused in their tortures. One girl had not undressed completely, she may also have been a little older than the others, who were around seventeen years of age. They soaked her bra with oil and set it on fire, and while she screamed, a thin iron rod was shoved into her vagina . . .

. . . until it came out her navel.

In the yard entire groups of girls were clubbed to death after the prettiest of them had been selected for this torture. The air was filled with the death cries of many hundred girls” (pp. 156–57).

And this is where I have to stop transcribing.

The Holocaust

The thought of being burned alive is horrific, but the thought of being burned alive because you are trapped in melted asphalt and literally stuck by your own disfigured hands and knees and screaming — in either agony or for salvation from passers-by, or perhaps both — is worse; perhaps even worse than that is being boiled alive in the air raid shelters designed to keep you safe because steam pipes have burst open, unleashing their scorching wrath upon you – just one of millions of victims of Allied “morale bombing”: Victims of your own White racial brethren driven to absolute base madness and inhumanity by Jewish propagandists in the “liberal democracies”.

What did you do to be burned or boiled alive? What was your crime?

You supported Adolf Hitler, the man who dared to stand up to international finance and the Jewish system of systematic international monetary and spiritual enslavement.

THAT was your “crime” and the “crime” of millions of other “statistics” in Germany and Europe who were incinerated, melted, tortured, strafed, raped or blown into body parts by their own racial and cultural kindred in the USSR, Britain and America.

The core of the firestorms often reached 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit; the flames 1,300 to 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit. A Holocaust in the truest sense of the word: a burnt offering of the Germanic race – women, children, refugees, POWs, the elderly, and even animals at the Berlin Zoo – to the Christian-Jewish “god” Jahve. The truth is that this was the single largest burnt offering of human flesh to the Devil in recorded history. And for what? For what did hundreds of thousands of German victims suffer: international finance Capitalism.

So that a few people, mostly ethnic Jews, could continue to make money from money; so that a handful of international “bankers” could continue to enslave and exploit hundreds of millions of human beings.

Western man literally burnt and buried his collective spirit, soul and value system in Germany. Germany became the tomb of the West.

The Viricide

Systematic murder of German women and female Axis collaborators was not the only European gendercide from 1944 to 1950. German men and their Cossack and Slavic collaborators became deliberate targets of Anglo-Soviet viricide in the postwar years. German men and boys were reduced to corpses or skeletons by the millions in Eisenhower’s Holodomor (death by famine). Eisenhower’s camps were designed with one purpose in mind: mass death. Millions of German men and boys died from starvation, disease, exposure, heat exhaustion, thirst, and of course torture, slave labor, random massacre, and systematic execution. After having served in the worst war in Western history, and one of the worst in world history, German men came “home” to nothing more than rubble. Their wives, girlfriends, and children were dead, enslaved, mutilated, driven to madness, missing, lost, or had gone with the enemy to survive and prevent further systematic rape by Polish, Russian, and Mongolian “men.” There were very few “homes” to return to, so thousands of men ended their lives in despair. They had survived six years of horror and warfare only to end it all in the street rubble once called “Germany.”


Because their own blood kindred in America, Britain, the British Commonwealth, and even much of Europe had betrayed them: had turned on them to please their Jewish overlords.

The Spiritual Slaughter

Soviet tanks drive right over German refugees who have survived hell and come so close to salvation, or so they think, in the Allied occupation zone – more aptly described as the Allied destruction zone. The refugees are now just bloodied pulps in the snow, flattened like dough by the tank treks. The Soviet tanks trudge on without even so much as a pause. A German refugee ship capsizes after it is hit by a Soviet torpedo or bombed in an American air strike. All aboard scream and struggle to stay alive; they’ve made it so far, but the vast majority are forced to call the sea their final resting place. Bodies are everywhere in the water. There are literally thousands. Mothers, brothers, sisters, cousins, POWs, and even tiny infants who have just transitioned to life outside the womb and have breathed air for the first time — all dead in a matter of minutes. Some drowned. Many were crushed or torn apart by the rudders. Others froze to death. The sea was awash in human blood and body parts after each and every one of these attacks on refugee ships. No German was innocent. Not one.

This happened to numerous refugee ships. Many aboard were Allied POWs and Jewish camp refugees who had been protected by the fleeing German SS andWehrmacht men – murdered by their own nation; murdered by their own race.

American pilots swoop down on exposed civilians and refugees in the vast clearing below. They open fire. They actually shoot individual human beings as though they are hunting wild horses or wolves in order to cull them. Machine gun bullets rip into the backs of civilians who had just barely escaped with their lives from the fiery Holocaust that was the city. The holes are the size of baseballs. Hundreds are mowed down instantly or are injured by the fire and debris — nearly all are left to die slow, agonizing deaths in that clearing. All the while Churchill and Roosevelt assure their self-absorbed, apathetic, hedonistic publics,We do not shoot civilians. We do not target civilians.

An older German woman is approached by filthy Soviet soldiers. She knows what awaits her because Goebbels did not lie. She tries to talk them out it. She has children with her. They dispose of the children rapidly, viciously: their heads are rammed into the side of the building. The woman is gang-raped. What does she recall . . . the rape? No. The sound of a child’s skull when it is crushed against a wall. She’ll never forget that sound. Nor will I because I too can hear it. I too witnessed it. I witnessed it through Goodrich.

And then there were the death camps where over a million German men perished because Eisenhower hated Germans: “God I hate the Germans,” he said. His racism and hate became official policy, a policy of genocide – an American orchestrated Holodomor. Countless thousands of German men were shipped off to Britain and Siberia to serve as slave laborers for the “victors”. Victors of what? Total destruction.

They aren’t paid and most die.

Most white American GIs rob the Germans, starve the Germans, plunder and destroy what remains of the German people’s homes, gang-rape German women, and beat and kill German children and honorable SS men. In the meantime most African GIs act kindly and distribute candy and food to German women and children. It is a bitterly confusing and deplorable world when the alleged “monsters” are the kind ones, and the members of your own race — your own blood brethren — act like deplorable beasts with no conscience. And yet this was the reality of Germany after 1945: an unpredictable dichotomy; an alien world.

While this horror is unfolding, Roosevelt (and later Truman) and Churchill cheerily offer Stalin half of Europe. They are more than happy to accommodate nearly every demand drafted up by this “Man of Steel.” The result of these Anglo accommodations nearly defies description: the greatest mass expulsion and deportation in history (upwards of 13 million); the mass murder of millions of Germans and their allies in Russian, French, Jewish, and Polish retribution camps and prisons dotted all throughout Europe and the USSR; the systematic mass rape and murder of German and collaborator women (an estimated two million); and the deliberate secret starvation of the Germanic race as spelled out by the Jewish advisor to Roosevelt and Truman, Henry Morgenthau.

The Toll

Between 20 and 25 million Germans and collaborators perished in the years AFTER the war had officially ended. It is a crime that will never be forgotten, and it is a crime that will forever stain the hands and national consciences of the former USSR, the United States of America, Great Britain and her Commonwealth nations, and perhaps more pointedly the Anglo and Slavic races of the White supra-race.

A little German boy holds a lantern as he sits in a wagon en route to the Allied lines in the bitter winter snow. He’s with his mother. She’s bleeding profusely; she’s dying. The German doctor who the little boy was lucky enough to hunt down is doing his best to perform a tamponade (a blockage) of her uterus. She was brutally, viciously raped. Did she survive? Goodrich doesn’t say, but the prognosis and tone suggests she didn’t make it. She was a German. She supported Hitler. She was a Nazi. She deserved it.

She deserved it.

So said the Allies in the years following the war: Germany merely got what she deserved. The ‘morally superior’ White nations of the globe had smashed ultimate evil: the Nazis; the German race.

Never has a greater lie been told. Never has so much hatred and vengeance been poured forth onto one people and one nation that had chosen not to abide by the laws of international bankers and financiers who wish only to enslave, plunder, steal and when necessary, kill. And most of the White races of the world were more than willing and eager to take up the flag of international Jewish money power and to smash the one White race that opposed it with such honor, valor and sheer might – so much so that it took all the best brain- and material-power of the entire White supra-race and all the monetary power of its Jewish financiers and overlords to break its back. And yet . . . and yet . . . it still was not broken. Goodrich ends the book with a tone of hope.

Beyond Hell

When all had been destroyed, when all seemed to have been lost forever in Year Zero, the Germans proved once again that such was just not the case. Brick by brick and hour by hour they rebuilt upon the ruins of God’s Empire a new Germany. No Holocaust by fire, no gynocide, no viricide, no famine, and no other inhuman atrocities could obliterate or subdue the Germanic element of the White race of humankind.

Even though Germany today is still an occupied nation with a hurting people, she still possesses that flicker of life and spirituality that the other White races and nations lost long ago when they sold their souls to Judaism and the Jewish “god” of hatred and revenge, Jahve. “Unbowed, unbent, unbroken.” Such are the words of an album released by a European band named Hammerfall. And such are the words that describe the German people, the German folk, and the German race. The only ones who bear the burden of bloodstain and guilt are the Allies. No crimes in recorded human history surpass those inflicted against Germany and Europe by the United States, Great Britain and the former United Soviet Socialist Republics – all with Jewish spiritual, media and financial backing and support.

The death of National Socialist Germany was the death of Western man and everything he once stood for.

I must thank Thomas Goodrich. Hellstorm has changed my life.


Dagobah Resident
FOTCM Member
I found this little book that some might find interesting.

I haven`t had a chance to read the whole thing yet, but here is an excerpt below.. and considering what`s
happening in Odessa etc, right now, it really makes you wonder.

Zionism and Russia – Lecture 1
May 12, 2006

Leon Trotsky, whose real name was Leyba Davidovich Bronstein, said:

“We must turn Russia into a desert populated by white negroes upon whom we shall impose a tyranny such as the most terrible Eastern despots never dreamt of. The only difference is that this will be a left-wing tyranny,
not a right-wing tyranny. It will be a red tyranny and not a white one.

We mean the word ‘red’ literally, because we shall shed such floods of blood as will make all the human losses suffered in the capitalist wars quake and pale by comparison. The biggest bankers across the ocean will
work in the closest possible contact with us. If we win the revolution, we shall establish the power of Zionism upon the wreckage of the revolution’s funeral, and we shall became a power before which the whole world will
sink to its knees. We shall show what real power is.
By means of terror and bloodbaths, we shall reduce the Russian intelligentsia to a state of complete stupefaction and idiocy and to an animal existence... At the moment, our young men in their leather jackets, who are the sons of watchmakers from Odessa, Orsha, Gomel and Vinnitsa, know how to hate everything Russian!

What pleasure they take in physically destroying the Russian intelligentsia — officers, academics and writers!...”

[As recorded in the Memoirs of Aron Simanovich, a jeweler at the court of the Tsar’s Imperial Majesty, secretary of Rasputin and quoted in numerous Russian scholarly works, including The Nature of Zionism By Vladimir Stepin, published (in Russian) in Moscow, 1993 and translated into English (for Radio Islam) by Clive Lindhurst.]


The Living Force
I thought i would add for those who hadnt seen it that there is a great documentary on youtube called " Hitler- the greatest story never told." it is well done and well researched.


The Living Force
davey72 said:
I thought i would add for those who hadnt seen it that there is a great documentary on youtube called " Hitler- the greatest story never told." it is well done and well researched.

The documentary has been discussed before here,31080.30.html


Padawan Learner
Thanks obyvatel, for your link. It really helps me to read and learn, that others had the same strong emotional (adverse) reaction while watching it.

Danse la vie

Padawan Learner
"I'm a blond and blue-eyed German I still don't feel to be allowed to think and speak about this twisted subject"

Hi Inquorate. As I am French with dark eyes and white hair that used to be black as well, I come back to this forum to tell you that it is more than time to feel you are allowed. It is highly time for us all Europeans to stand up for what we want and deserve : peace.

And I understand that other European people must tell you so, Germans, due to the magnitude of the propaganda storm that smashed your folk after the "saviors" began to occupy it and to implement their planned "Umerziehung" of the German folk, in order to make it loose its soul.

It is more time than ever, if you look at the filthy anti-German propaganda that is currently being spread by false 'dissident' sites like for exemple Vineyard of the Saker (which nobody seems to check the real identity of) : war propaganda again, but in slightly more subtle disguise, to destroy Europe once again and perpetrate a new holocaust of the continental European youth.

Actually I am happy to read you and Camino, because having lived in Germany in the 1970s, I did not succeed with the generation of your parents to convince them that they were still being destroyed, although coming fresh from France I could so clearly observe it. That was hartbreaking to look at : they did not want to believe me, so absolute the post-war trauma had been. And even recently so.

I heard in Berlin some stories about the Russian soldiers, but most reports I heard are by French, about the Anglo-American "saviors" on the western side. French men who were forced workers or war prisoners (jews among them) working in german farms, and later French soldiers, have written about the horror perpetrated against the German folk to exterminate as many of them by fire storms, murder and by starvation.

This is documented in French and I transmitted as much as I could.
French people also remember that several of their cities were carped bombed by the "allies", "unnecessarily" they thought at the time, and still do, if they don't see the aim.

Years ago (years before the Sarkozy coup) there was a documentary film on TV about the German Children who had been saved from starvation thanks to Irish families taking them in Ireland, and German mothers who had lost many members of their families still prefering to loose those children too, rather than let them starve in Germany.

The same method of calorie count for starvation was applied then, as to the Palestinians today, and we know it. It is time to connect the dots. We also know from French men that German women who tried to feed the German prisoners through the barbed wires were shot down on official American order.

About the rapes, there is a documentary film too, more recent, also stressing the racism of the US army leadership, that convicted way more black Americans than white in France, and showing how the American soldiers were brainwashed to think they could help themselves in France as much as they wanted for their human consume, France being a simple women-supermarket. But it says clearly that once they crossed the border east, in Germany it became incredibly worse, all hell was allowed against the women.

It is urgently time that all continental European folks, you Germans included, live with the PRIDE again, of who they are. We won't free our continent from the occupation otherwise than all together. There is no peace where there is no pride.
Pride must replace guilt now, it is more than time.

But that is not all. I propose you to take a look at that book and commentaries :
Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War ...

"Hidden History uniquely exposes those responsible for the First World War. It reveals how accounts of the war's origins have been deliberately falsified to conceal the guilt of the secret cabal of very rich and powerful men in London responsible for the most heinous crime perpetrated on humanity. FOR TEN YEARS, THEY PLOTTED THE DESTRUCTION OF GERMANY AS THE FIRST STAGE OF THEIR PLAN TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE WORLD.
The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand was no chance happening. It lit a fuse that had been carefully set through a chain of command stretching from Sarajevo through Belgrade and St Petersburg to that cabal in London.

Our understanding of these events has been firmly trapped in a web of falsehood and duplicity carefully constructed by the victors at Versailles in 1919 and maintained by compliant historians ever since. The official version is fatally flawed, warped by the volume of evidence they destroyed or concealed from public view.
Hidden History poses a tantalising challenge. The authors ask only that you examine the evidence they lay before you . . ."
End quote

(An translation in French will be published to-morrow on the site Bistrobarblog.)

For those of you who still don't speak, they can for example transmit the 1961 speech by Benjamin Freedman to begin with. And certainly reviewing some of Hitler's speeches can be useful, free of brainwashed ears, as well as some accounts of the Nünberger trials.

Take care


Jedi Master
War breeds monsters, and makes psychopaths rejoice. Terrible things happened in ww2, rape and genital mutilations, torture and mass murder among them.

One must however face the evidence and decide for one's self wether one has been duped or wether one has seen rightly the spoils of war.

Humans are machines, and programmed correctly will do damn able things, even to the injury of their own psyche.

And yet lies about the same can wound the psyche of every soul in the world.

It is a troublesome business, discerning truth from a psycopathically projected reality.


FOTCM Member
I would suggest reading Sebastian Haffner's book "Defying Hitler" and Percy Schramm's book "Hitler: The Man and the Military Leader".

It's also important to keep in mind the principles of ponerology and to understand how a characteropath such as Hitler, could snake charm people. This becomes quite clear in Schramm's book where he describes it in detail.

There are individuals with RW Authoritarian follower natures who adored Hitler to the end and beyond. If you don't understand psychopathology, you cannot navigate your way through the testimonies of these people. Just think of all the Zionists nowadays who adore the criminals running Israel and who gathered to cheer and eat popcorn while watching Gaze bombing and you'll have a real-life example.

ALWAYS keep in mind that Hitler was a snake-charmer which is actually a bit more complicated than just a plain psychopath because the snake charmer can actually engage emotionally to a limited extent, always twisted in some way. With that in mind, consider a bit about psychopaths from :

Psychopaths make their way by conning people into doing things for them; obtaining money for them, prestige, power, or even standing up for them when others try to expose them. But that is their claim to fame. That's what they do. And they do it very well. What's more, the job is very easy because most people are gullible with an unshakable belief in the inherent goodness of man.

Manipulation is the key to the psychopath's conquests. Initially, the psychopath will feign false emotions to create empathy, and many of them study the tricks that can be employed by the empathy technique. Psychopaths are often able to incite pity from people because they seem like "lost souls" as Guggenbuhl-Craig writes. So the pity factor is one reason why victims often fall for these "poor" people.

Psychologist Robert Hare cites a famous case where a psychopath was "Man of the Year" and president of the Chamber of Commerce in his small town. (Remember that John Wayne Gacy was running for Jaycee President at the very time of his first murder conviction!) The man in question had claimed to have a Ph.D. from Berkeley. He ran for a position on the school board which he then planned to parlay into a position on the county commission which paid more.

At some point, a local reporter suddenly had the idea to check up on the guy - to see if his credentials were real. What the reporter found out was that the only thing that was true about this up and coming politician's "faked bio" was the place and date of birth. Everything else was fictitious. Not only was the man a complete impostor, he had a long history of antisocial behavior, fraud, impersonation, and imprisonment. His only contact with a university was a series of extension courses by mail that he took while in Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary. What is even more amazing is the fact that before he was a con-man, he was a "con-boy." For two decades he had dodged his way across America one step ahead of those he had hoodwinked. Along the way he had married three women and had four children, and he didn't even know what had happened to them. And now, he was on a roll! But darn that pesky reporter!

When he was exposed, he was completely unconcerned. "These trusting people will stand behind me. A good liar is a good judge of people," he said. Amazingly, he was right. Far from being outraged at the fact that they had all been completely deceived and lied to from top to bottom, the local community he had conned so completely to accrue benefits and honors to himself that he had not earned, rushed to his support!

I kid you not! And it wasn't just "token support." The local Republican party chairman wrote about him: "I assess his genuineness, integrity, and devotion to duty to rank right alongside of President Abraham Lincoln." As Hare dryly notes, this dimwit was easily swayed by words, and was blind to deeds.

What kind of psychological weaknesses drive people to prefer lies over truth?

You find the answer to that question in Ponerology also.

ADDED: I would also like to mention, though it cannot be considered proof of anything, that I have very extensive and deep past-life memories of Nazi Germany and the violent deaths of my family and myself there, in that time. From that perspective, you might want to read "Beyond the Ashes: Cases of Reincarnation from the Holocaust" by Yonassan Gershom. Besides my own, I have encountered similar cases in my work as a hypnotherapist.

Also, it is clear from the works of Hannah Arendt and Douglas Reed, that a certain segment of Jewry was complicit in the Holocaust, that the objectives of Hitler and the Jews coincided. It is true that Hitler was financed by Western banks and supported by Western corporations, many of them Jewish owned, and one of the objectives was to get the land of Israel for a Jewish state and use the overblown Holocause Industry for political purposes. In that sense, Hitler was a complete dupe. But the dupe was also a madman and nearly destroyed Germany. (See Schramm for descriptions of meetings and things said as Berlin was being bombed.)

The issue of whether or not there were gas chambers and the numbers is irrelevant though it is obvious that there is a lot of politicization and manipulation of facts and figures. It's a tar-baby and we won't be going there here. Suffice it to say that there WAS a planned program of de-humanization, death and destruction of large groups of people just as we see nowadays in respect of Muslims. You could even say that this is just a continuation of the Hitler/Zionist program by Hitler's heirs, the Ashkenazi Jews, since most present day Muslims are descendants of Jews who did not join the diaspora from Palestine, but rather converted.

The major Holocaust occurred in Poland and Russia, by the way, and was not restricted to Jews but rather, was created and caused by Zionists; the rank and file of average Jews, normal people with conscience, were victims too. See Trotsky above.

So, keep in mind that the Zionists worked hand in glove with Hitler and his minions and Hitler was not the good guy some people try to paint him after the fact because they have a beef against Israel and the Zionists. Nothing really has changed: it was Zionists then, Zionists now, and Hitler was their tool and too stupid to realize it...or, horrifyingly, knew it but thought he could outmaneuver them.


The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Yes, the Zionists collaborated with Hitler and the Nazis extensively. The Zionists were also dead set against rescuing Jews from the camps and collaborated in that way too, doing everything to stop any rescue efforts and choosing who lives and who dies. Without the Holocaust, there would be no Israel.

All that said, Hitler WAS definitely totally pathological and the whole Nazi phenomenon is a textbook example of ponerization on a macrosocial scale and the forming of a Pathocracy. Just like so much happening today.

Oh, and besides all the other war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Middle East and around the world, now we have Nazis that hate Russians in Ukraine (who are basically Russians themselves, but deny it) wanting to kill and displace as many ethnic Russians / Russian speakers as possible. And now the Anglo-American-Zionist axis is using THEM to do their dirty work. Ideologies are just masks the psychopaths hide behind to be able to pursue their murder, destruction, and plunder, as Lobazcieski made clear. The same evil and insanity repeats over and over again.

Danse la vie

Padawan Learner
Inquorate said:
Humans are machines

Humans are souls.

I know “Humans are machines” is one dogma of this forum, so I am not here to enter any discussion about the subject, only trying to leave a message for those who will come across my words.

Coincidentally, “Humans are machines” is also the dogma in the Cavern of Platoon.

If “Humans are machines”, they will keep sitting, back to light, depressed, and watch paralyzed and powerless the movie playing on the wall, and they will keep on thinking that “Humans are a cancer to this planet” : the very mind-programming of the Club of Rome et al. of the anglo-american sionist ‘empire’, with their agenda of world dictatorship and destruction of Human soul.

The pride then will stay on the side of the psychopaths : “gay pride”, “war pride”, "better race pride", and so on.

If Humans are souls, they will stand together, powerful with Love, and get the world they want to live in.
Pride and peace will be on their side.

As you said : one must decide for one’s self.

Take care


FOTCM Member
Danse la vie said:
Inquorate said:
Humans are machines

Humans are souls.

I know “Humans are machines” is one dogma of this forum, so I am not here to enter any discussion about the subject, only trying to leave a message for those who will come across my words.

Create your own forum, then. :wrongbar: :bye:


Danse la vie said:
Inquorate said:
Humans are machines

Humans are souls.

Yes, and yes
Danse la vie said:
I know “Humans are machines” is one dogma of this forum

and no. I believe you have misunderstood a little. "Humans" are beings that have a soul (as opposed to a psychopath) and the potential to develop it, but most people are not "conscious" or even aware that there might be anything more than the dream they are having/living. Therefore, they are "machines" in that only a conscious person can act consciously as opposed to reacting mechanically.

So it is not a "dogma", either- merely an observation of how the vast majority of humans live their lives. The only dogma we have here is "No Sacred Cows". :lol: There is not a single idea on the entire forum that could not be shot down by any hypothesis or theory that explains the facts better. So to speak. We're devoted to knowledge here, and to quote Stephen Donaldson (an author I like), "Knowledge is chimaera, for beyond it ever lies other knowledge, and the incompleteness of what is known renders the knowing false."

If you haven't already, have a read of "In Search of the Miraculous" by P.D. Ouspensky for a good explanation of the how and why "man is a machine".

Also, I would like to especially thank Kamino, Inquorate, Danse la vie and Laura for your posts. Very thought provoking indeed.


P.S: Laura's comment came in while I was typing and I thought "Bugger it, I'll post it anyway."


FOTCM Member
What you wrote needed to be said, Fester, so thanks.
Top Bottom