The sources of the Napoleonic Code and its links with the Book (Sharia)

MK Scarlett

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Hi,

And at first, I would like to say I did not know exactly where post this one: Religions? History? So I am sorry if this thread is not in the good subject. :-[

I was looking for something "unusual" (for me) on the Web and by going on my Facebook page I saw a link to this subject "The sources of the Napoleonic Code and the Civil Code" (in French): http://leprocesverbal.com/mag/les-sources-du-code-napoleon-et-du-code-civil/) and I was totally amazed because I ever had eared of something like this.

It is about the Napoleonic French Civil Code, followed by the French Civil Code which "would be" or "is" strongly inspired by the Sharia (the Book).
Reading this, my first thought was: "Hum... It would make sense with the Egyptian campaign of Napoleon..." I do not know why I told myself these specific words, but by surprising my curiosity, I decided to make some searches.

Names quoted in this little article found on the Web, are as following:

- Octave PESLE (in his book "Judicature", ed. 1942, p. 5: Le Code Napoleon et la Chariah (The Napoleon's French Code and the Sharia) who writes several books in French but I do not know if they is a translation in English.
A list of them can be found here: http://pkukmweb.ukm.my/~library/islawp.htm. I found this text about Octave Pesles (in French): http://www.abdelazizbenabdallah.org/Articles/Docs/articles_malekites.pdf.

- Napoleon's French Civil Code seems to be strongly inspired by the Sharia according to Christian Cherfils - Who is Christian Cherfils? I made some researchs about this man and we have 9,850 results on Google. He was an hislamophile (I'm not sure about translation here). He looks be known for this book: "Bonaparte et L'Islam : d'après les documents Francais et Arabes" (Bonaparte and the Islam: from French and Arabic files) (1914).


I found this little information about his book:

"Published on the eve of the 1st world war, this book reveals an essential aspect of the personality of Napoleon Bonaparte. The membership of this last one in the Islam is a historic fact brought back reported by the press of time. Here is the at once spiritual progress and the politics of its fate through underestimated documents." (Source in French: http://www.tilsafe.com/libfr/038-LIA-FP-ALC/Bonaparte+et+l%E2%80%99islam.html)


And this one:

"Which chronicles Napoleon Bonaparte's conversion to Islam in 1798, leading to the Code Napoleon, the French civil law adaptation of Islamic law"
(Source in English: http://www.islamicparty.com/textonly/textdavid.htm)


Pursuing my researches, I found this:

Napoleon Bonaparte
Quoted in Christian Cherfils, ‘Bonaparte et Islam,’ Pedone Ed., Paris, France, 1914, pp. 105, 125.
- Original References: “Correspondance de Napoléon Ier Tome V pièce n° 4287 du 17/07/1799...”
“Moses has revealed the existence of God to his nation. Jesus Christ to the Roman world, Muhammad to the old continent...”
“Arabia was idolatrous when, six centuries after Jesus, Muhammad introduced the worship of the God of Abraham, of Ishmael, of Moses, and Jesus. The Ariyans and some other sects had disturbed the tranquility of the east by agitating the question of the nature of the Father, the son, and the Holy Ghost. Muhammad declared that there was none but one God who had no father, no son and that the trinity imported the idea of idolatry...”
“I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of Quran which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness.”
(Source in English: http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/576/)


And here,

NAPOLEON & ISLAM - FROM FRENCH & ARAB DOCUMENTS - IT'S ENGLISH TRANSLATION by David Pidcock
prepared a new English Foreword for the original by Christian Cherfils, first published in 1914 and Arranged for it's translation and publication in 1999.

NEW FOREWORD - 1999

As the prevailing accounts of history were authored by the victors of past disputes, it is often difficult, in some cases impossible, to discover where those conflicts (together with the ones of today), found their origins. Prompting Napoleon’s remarks that: “History is constructed from lies which are no longer contested “ and that “the police invent more than they discover…”

The perennial strife in Northern Ireland and Palestine serve to illustrate the folly of trying to impose peace settlements without first establishing justice – by placing blame where it truly belongs. This difficulty also extends to locating, let alone obtaining, impartial accounts of Napoleon and the Napoleonic wars providing further evidence that they too have been doctored to suit the official line accommodating to the beneficiaries of the conflict - who were not the common folk of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales, but, rather, those who financed Wellington and the negative programme of black propaganda which succeeded in preventing a clear picture of Napoleon’s beneficial reforms reaching the poor, down-trodden masses, in the United Kingdom. Masses, who, following Wellingon's victory at Waterloo, and his subsequent appointment as Prime Minister, fared even worse than before. The bad harvests of 1829, the hardship among the weavers of Northern England, together with the overall national suffering were referred to in the King’s speech as being:”…beyond the reach of legislative control or remedy”, were clearly laid at Wellington’s door. As Prime Minister, he had to bear the brunt of popular outrage and like Napoleon before him became the butt of fickle political cartoonists like William Heath who, in 1830, depicted him with eyes closed: ‘Playing Blind Mans Buff - With The Poor.’ The caption at the bottom of the picture reads: “There is none so blind as Him who will not see.” The important lesson to draw from this situation is the fact that the usurers in the City of London, such as Baring and Rothschild, together with the entire Court of the Bank Of England, had successfully used Wellington, Nelson and British troops to prevent Napoleon’s policies taking effect. I believe it was Lord Acton, a little later on in the 19th century, who endorsed Napoleon's view - together with those of David Ricardo and Abraham Lincoln, that the world would not be free-of-war until the tables of the money changers were overturned once and for all. Unfortunately, as the history of war clearly demonstrates, his call went unheeded, as time and again they succeeded to getting nation to fight against nation rather than to fight against them and their pernicious monetary policies. Leaving us to ponder the fact that: “The issue which has swept down the centuries and must be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.”

Many of the myths created by Britain’s black propaganda agency were comprehensively demolished in a feature by Jess McAJee, in the April 1996 edition of ‘Focus’ The Magazine of Discovery. Myth number one being that Napoleon was a foul despot who cared nothing for his people: “It is tempting to conclude” he says, “that seeing as Boney spent millions on the war effort, he did little for ordinary Frenchmen. The truth is that his legal and constitutional reforms were a century ahead of their time. One of the acts of his rule was to draw up a revolutionary constitution: three elected assemblies to vote in new laws, an independent court of appeal, and three consuls to be elected every three years. The constitution was even put to a national referendum - and approved by an astonishing majority of 3,011,007 votes to 1,562. Another lasting Napoleonic legacy is the Code Civil - also known as the Code Napoleon - still predominantly the law of France, Belgium and Luxembourg. The fundamentals it grants are equality under the law, the ending of feudal rights, the inviolability of property, the freedom of conscience, and the right to divorce. Napoleon inserted a clause obliging parents to feed children if required - even when they were adult. He was only just dissuaded from giving grandparents the right to protect grand children from parental abuse”. For Muslims this will come as no surprise when they realise that 96% of the Code-Civil i.e. The Code Napoleon is drawn entirely from Islamic jurisprudence based on the Fiqh or rulings of Imam Malik...McAree goes on to successfully counter a number of other myths. For example the myth that Napoleon was a cheat and a liar and could not be trusted: “The standard view has Boney as the ultimate aggressor who broke all treaties and refused to make peace. But in reality the real cheats were Britain and her allies. Far from refusing peace, Napoleon repeatedly sought it - but was rebuffed by Europe’s crowned heads. They gave him an untrustworthy reputation because they despised him and feared that France’s revolutionary republicanism might be contagious. As the Whig statesman Edmund Burke wrote to foreign minister William Grenville: “It is not the enmity but the friendship of France that is truly terrible. Her intercourse, her example, the spread of her doctrines are the most terrible of her arms.” Another major myth is that his reforms achieved nothing: “Wrong again: most of them still work well to this day. Napoleon opened primary schools and founded the modern lyc’ee system. He also created new universities, a dozen schools of law and teacher training colleges. More money was spent on education in Napoleon’s empire than on anything else - and this at a time of almost perpetual war. Surprising for a “Jacobin terrorist”, he even encouraged private schools, which eventually outnumbered their state counterparts. Today the French education system is streets ahead of our own - all thanks to Boney, the thinking man”

On the subject of Nelson and Wellington McAree states. “Nelson may have died a hero’s death at Trafalgar in 1805. But his victory set back European freedom a century… Although brilliant commanders, both were on the wrong side. By beating Napoleon on land and sea, they denied the world the prosperity and political freedom it could have enjoyed under his rule”. From a Judeo-Christian perspective the antipathy towards Napoleon is perhaps more understandable - particularly in the light of his 'official' conversion to Islam at the end of the 18th century. Following which, the caricaturist, James Gillray, depicts him wearing a turban with the caption reading: “Democratic Religion - Napoleon turning Turk.” This may well have been in response to the official headlines in the Gazzette National ou Le Moniteur Universel which announced Napoleon’s conversion to Islam on the 6th of the 12th 1798, and his adoption of the name Ali Boneaparte. Which brings us to a significant bone of contention regarding the contents of this book. It is clear, from reading the original Preface by Sherif Abd el-Hakim, that he must have been commenting on selected extracts unaware of the entire contents of the book for he speaks uncritically of Napoleon's "love" for Islam and his "blissful sojourn" amongst the Muslims. On the other hand we have the attitude of, allegedly, “well informed Muslims” who have tried to dismiss, out of hand, his conversion as a purely cosmetic exercise: “The pragmatic gamble of an astute, cynical operator who, when it suited him, professed whatever creed was necessary to achieve his political objectives.” ISBN 967-61-0898-7
(Source: http://independent.academia.edu/DavidPidcock/Books/259908/NAPOLEON_and_ISLAM_-_FROM_FRENCH_and_ARAB_DOCUMENTS_-_ITS_ENGLISH_TRANSLATION)


Looking for about Napoleonic Code on Wikipedia, I found this:

The Napoleonic Code — or Code Napoléon (originally, the Code civil des français) — is the French civil code, established under Napoléon I in 1804. The code forbade privileges based on birth, allowed freedom of religion, and specified that government jobs go to the most qualified. It was drafted rapidly by a commission of four eminent jurists and entered into force on March 21, 1804. The Napoleonic Code was not the first legal code to be established in a European country with a civil legal system — it was preceded by the Codex Maximilianeus bavaricus civilis (Bavaria, 1756), the Allgemeines Landrecht (Prussia, 1794) and the West Galician Code (Galicia, then part of Austria, 1797). It was, however, the first modern legal code to be adopted with a pan-European scope and it strongly influenced the law of many of the countries formed during and after the Napoleonic Wars. The Code, with its stress on clearly written and accessible law, was a major step in replacing the previous patchwork of feudal laws. Historian Robert Holtman regards it as one of the few documents that have influenced the whole world. (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Code)

And more:

Codes in other countries

Even though the Napoleonic Code was not the first civil code and did not represent the whole of his empire, it was one of the most influential. It was adopted in many countries occupied by the French during the Napoleonic Wars and thus formed the basis of the private law systems also of Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Portugal (and their former colonies), as well as Poland (1808–1946). In the German regions on the left bank of the Rhine (Rhenish Palatinate and Prussian Rhine Province), the former Duchy of Berg and the Grand Duchy of Baden, the Napoleonic code was in use until the introduction of the Bürgerliches Gesetzbuch in 1900 as the first common civil code for the entire German Empire. A number of factors have been shown by Arvind and Stirton to have had a determinative role in the decision by the German states to receive the Code, including: territorial concerns, Napoleonic control and influence, the strength of central state institutions, a feudal economy and society, rule by liberal (enlightened despotic) rulers, nativism (local patriotism) among the governing elites and popular anti-French sentiment.[9]
The Napoleonic Code was also adopted in 1864 in Romania (with some modifications), which is still in force as of 2011 (articles 461 to 1914). The Code was also adopted in Egypt as part of the system of mixed courts introduced in Egypt after the fall of Khedive Ismail. The Code was translated into Arabic from the French by Youssef Wahba Pasha between 1881-1883. Other codes with some influence in their own right were the Swiss, German, and Austrian ones, but even there some influence of the French code can be felt, as the Napoleonic Code is considered the first successful codification. Thus, the civil law systems of the countries of modern continental Europe, with the exception of Russia and the Scandinavian countries have, to different degrees, been influenced by the Napoleonic Code. The legal systems of the United Kingdom other than Scotland, as well as Ireland and the Commonwealth, are derived from the English common law rather than from Roman roots. Scots law, though also a civil law system, is uncodified; it was strongly influenced by Romano-Dutch legal thought, and — after the Act of Union 1707 — by English law. In the Gulf nations of the Middle East, the influence of the Napoleonic code mixed with hints of Islamic law is clear, even in Saudi Arabia (which abides more towards Islamic law). In Kuwait for example, property rights, women's rights, and the education system can be seen as Islamic reenactments of the French civil code. Some of these aspects can be seen in other Gulf states, although less pronounced than in Kuwait, this primarily being due to the democratic nature of Kuwait, rather than the absolutist nature of many other Gulf nations.
The term "Napoleonic code" is also used to refer to legal codes of other jurisdictions that are influenced by the French Code Napoléon, especially the civil code of Quebec, which was derived from the Coutume de Paris, which the British continued to use in Canada following the Treaty of Paris in 1763. Most of the laws in Latin American countries are also heavily based in the Napoleonic Code, such as the Chilean Civil Code and the Puerto Rican Civil Code. Despite being surrounded by Anglo-Saxon Common Law territories, Louisiana's civil code has kept its Roman roots and some of its aspects feature influences by the Napoleonic Code, but is based more on Roman and Spanish civil traditions. As a result, the bar exam and legal standards of practice in Louisiana are significantly different from other states, and reciprocity for lawyers from other states is not available.
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Code)


What to think about this information? Has anyone made searchs about this subject? What do you think of it? What does it mean in the global Truth researchs?
 
Fascinating. I'll have to look into it more deeply when I have time. Meantime, hope others will do some research on this; it might explain why French law is so bizarre.
 
Laura said:
Fascinating. I'll have to look into it more deeply when I have time. Meantime, hope others will do some research on this; it might explain why French law is so bizarre.

I gonna continue to make researches and try to understand better what can be hidden behind this, and for sure, some help would be great! I miss a lot of information and I work each day to more forward farthest possible.
I found so many subjects by discovering Sort on last June and I feel so grateful for this, it would be great if I could be able to give "a little bit", "bring a stone to the Cathedral" coming from my personal researches.

Thank you again Laura, by sharing with us all your works, you give us the opportunity to live in Truth. It means.
 
Laura said:
Fascinating. I'll have to look into it more deeply when I have time. Meantime, hope others will do some research on this; it might explain why French law is so bizarre.

... maybe cause they always want to do everything opposite to everybody else (particularly the British and American) ... logic does not count when spite is playing a mayor role ... They are Mediteranians after all - emotions prior to common sense
 
Yozilla said:
Laura said:
Fascinating. I'll have to look into it more deeply when I have time. Meantime, hope others will do some research on this; it might explain why French law is so bizarre.

... maybe cause they always want to do everything opposite to everybody else (particularly the British and American) ... logic does not count when spite is playing a mayor role ... They are Mediteranians after all - emotions prior to common sense

There might be something in that, Napoleon coming from Corsica and all that. What a snow job!
 
Wikipedia sez:

Napoleon and religions
Further information: Napoleon and the Catholic Church

Napoleon's baptism was held in Ajaccio on 21 July 1771; he was piously raised and received a Christian education; however, his teachers failed to give faith to the young boy.[175] As an adult, Napoleon was described as a "deist with involuntary respect and fondness for Catholicism."[176] He never believed in a living God; Napoleon's deity was an absent and distant God,[175] but he pragmatically considered organised religions as key elements of social order,[175] and especially Catholicism, whose, according to him, "splendorous ceremonies and sublime moral better act over the imagination of the people than other religions"[175] Napoleon had a civil marriage with Joséphine de Beauharnais, without religious ceremony, on 9 March 1796. During the campaign in Egypt, Napoleon showed much tolerance towards religion for a revolutionary general, holding discussions with muslim scholars and ordering religious celebrations, but General Dupuy, who accompanied Napoleon, revealed, shortly after Pope Pius VI's death, the political reasons for such behaviour: "We are fooling Egyptians with our pretended interest for their religion; neither Bonaparte nor we believe in this religion more than we did in Pius the Defunct's one".[note 13] His religious opportunism is epitomized in his famous quote : "It is by making myself Catholic that I brought peace to Brittany and Vendée. It is by making myself Italian that I won minds in Italy. It is by making myself a Moslem that I established myself in Egypt. If I governed a nation of Jews, I should reestablish the Temple of Solomon."[178] Napoleon crowned himself Emperor Napoleon I on 2 December 1804 at Notre Dame de Paris with the benediction of Pope Pius VII. The 1 April 1810, Napoleon religiously married the Austrian princess Marie Louise. In a private discussion with general Gourgaud during his exile on Saint Helena, Napoleon expressed materialistic views on the origin of man,[note 14] and doubted the divinity of Jesus, stating that it is absurd to believe that Socrates, Plato, Muhammad and the Anglicans should be damned for not being Roman Catholics.[note 15] However, Napoleon was anointed by a priest before his death.[


Then, there's this:

From Genuine Islam. Singapore; October 1936):

“I read the Bible; Moses was an able man, the Jews are villains, cowardly and cruel. Is there anything more horrible than the story of Lot and his daughters ?”

“The science which proves to us that the earth is not the centre of the celestial movements has struck a great blow at religion. Joshua stops the sun! One shall see the stars falling into the sea… I say that of all the suns and planets,…”

Then Napoleon Bonaparte also said:

“Religions are always based on miracles, on such things than nobody listens to like Trinity. Jesus called himself the son of God and he was a descendant of David. I prefer the religion of Muhammad. It has less ridiculous things than ours; the turks also call us idolaters.”

Then:

“Surely, I have told you on different occasions and I have intimated to you by various discourses that I am a Unitarian Musselman and I glorify the prophet Muhammad and that I love the Musselmans.”

In the end, he said:

“In the name of God the Merciful, the Compassionate. There is no god but God, He has no son and He reigns without a partner.”
 
Laura said:
Yozilla said:
Laura said:
Fascinating. I'll have to look into it more deeply when I have time. Meantime, hope others will do some research on this; it might explain why French law is so bizarre.

... maybe cause they always want to do everything opposite to everybody else (particularly the British and American) ... logic does not count when spite is playing a mayor role ... They are Mediteranians after all - emotions prior to common sense

There might be something in that, Napoleon coming from Corsica and all that. What a snow job!

Sorry but this case is much more political than anything else.
And please, get beyond this kind of clichés ! Do you believe in them or is it just for fun ?
Know what ? Opposition to "the British and American" might even be real common sense ! :pirate: :offtopic: ;)
 
Hello Esote,
There is no opposition to any nations specifically. There is also an attempt to understand why some cultures became as closed as they are today. You may be seeing clichés where there are none.
 
Esote said:
Laura said:
Yozilla said:
Laura said:
Fascinating. I'll have to look into it more deeply when I have time. Meantime, hope others will do some research on this; it might explain why French law is so bizarre.

... maybe cause they always want to do everything opposite to everybody else (particularly the British and American) ... logic does not count when spite is playing a mayor role ... They are Mediterranians after all - emotions prior to common sense

There might be something in that, Napoleon coming from Corsica and all that. What a snow job!

Sorry but this case is much more political than anything else.
And please, get beyond this kind of clichés ! Do you believe in them or is it just for fun ?
:pirate: :offtopic: ;)

I don't have any political items against fellow French Meditarranians here. I am a Med one too :halo: ... Au contraire I admire French for challenging and competitive ways (for example pro Palestinian voting at UNESCO conference which made MR Obama just a little bit more wrinkled and Izraelis more eye-balled - OH yeah) Diplomatically speakin' I find it, at least, soooo charming
if not just splendid :thup:

I wish if there could be even more governments like French that could act in such "profound" manner on global scene. Mes chapeaux Esote!!!

Esote said:
Know what ? Opposition to "the British and American" might even be real common sense !

Also I do totally agree with this! :rockon:
 
Napoleon converted to Islam? :huh:

This has an interesting take on why the monied interests were ranged against the emperor:

http://www.progress.org/2010/napoleon.htm

by Pippa Bartolotti

There are one or two references to the conversion to Islam by Napoleon Bonaparte. The official French newspaper of the time –1798 -- carried an account of Napoleon’s conversion and mentions his Muslim name, “Aly Napoleon Bonaparte”. Napoleon is also quoted (in Christian Cherfils, Bonaparte et Islam) as saying that he would like to establish a uniform regime based on the principles of the Quran. A more recent reference is in the book Satanic Voices by David Pidcock.

Napoleon traveled widely and was well read. As the Emperor of France he was continually searching for ways in which he could strengthen his country, and had a deep knowledge of Shari’ah Law. His relationship with Christianity was one of a practical statesman -- religion was useful as long as it was comforting to society, but dangerous if it led to fanaticism. And his frank disbelief in the Trinity caused him to adopt monotheistic attitude.

In 1807, February 9, Napoleon issued a rabbinical Fatwa prohibiting usury (the charging of interest). Upon being shown a table of interest charges, he reflected for a while and made the following comment:

"The deadly facts herein revealed, lead me to wonder that this monster, interest, has not devoured the whole human race. It would have done so long ago if bankruptcy and revolutions had not acted as counter poisons." (Lincoln: Money Martyred; Omni Publications 1935).

In the build up to the Battle of Waterloo in 1815 on June 18, western bankers were pitched against Napoleon; if he won, they would be out of business. If Britain lost, the value of English coinage would plummet. If Britain was victorious, the value of the currency would increase.

The prosperity of the Rothschilds rested upon backing the right horse in the Napoleonic wars and developing close relations with one or more of the warring governments involved. In January 1814 the Rothschilds contracted to supply the Duke of Wellington with the monthly hundred thousand pounds sterling in ready cash to continue paying his armies to wage war against Napoleon. They became the disburser of subsidies to the German, Austrian, Belgian, and Russian allies.

The four Rothschild brothers developed a network of agents, shippers, and couriers to transport gold -- and information -- crisscrossing the frontiers of Europe buying, selling, and transporting millions of coins.

The private intelligence service so gathered enabled Nathan Rothschild to receive the news of Wellington's victory at the Battle of Waterloo a full day ahead of the British government's official messengers. At the London Stock Exchange, Rothschild dumped hundreds of thousands of British guineas on the market. Guessing that he had prior knowledge of a Wellington defeat at Waterloo, other investors were in a panic to sell. At its lowest price, and shortly before the official news about Wellington’s victory arrived in London, Rothschild bought the currency he had just sold, and the value of the guinea skyrocketed. His fortune multiplied twenty times on that one day.

Nathan gained so much that by 1825–6 he was able to supply enough coin to the Bank of England to enable it to avert a liquidity crisis.

In 1913 the Federal Reserve Act created a consortium of privately held associated banks called the Federal Reserve Bank. The largest shareholders of the Federal Reserve Bank were Rothschild’s of London holding 57% of the stock not available for public trading. It is difficult to track the exact ownership of these banks, however, the Rothschilds may have assets in the trillions.

What would have happened had Napoleon not converted to Islam, or at the very least, not prescribed Islamic and non-usurious banking practices for France? Would the Rothschild family not have been so interested in the outcome of Waterloo? And what might have happened if Napoleon had won? (An unlikely event considering the entire European aristocracy and most of the banking families were pitted against him.)

Would we now be living in a world whereby money could be borrowed without interest? We would not be facing a national debt which allows the bankers their huge bonuses and the ordinary people the bill for it all.

Some aspects of Shariah Law still exist in the French constitution based on the Code Napoleone. One well publicized case was that of the fatal car accident with Diana, Princess of Wales, and Dodi Al-Fayed. "The photographers were charged with an old part of the French Jurisprudence, for ‘not helping at the scene of an accident’.” (David M. Pidcock, 1998 C.E.)
 
Kniall said:
Napoleon converted to Islam? :huh:

This has an interesting take on why the monied interests were ranged against the emperor:

Perhaps it is not the reason why Napoleon was fought by all means by the bankers. He was aware of the danger of the Bank of England being a private bank with the gains for its shareholders as unique aim.
Napoleon struggled on the creation of the bank of France, so as to not allow it to be completely dependant on bankers, but controlled by the state. He expressed repeatedly his aim to see the bank work not for speculation and oligarchy, but for real economy. He forced several times the bank to lower its interest rates. And he wanted the state to pay no interest rates. (I have no link in English)

His take on banksters was clear and is well known in France :
"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes... Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain."
Napoleon Bonaparte, 1815
-http://www.xat.org/xat/moneyhistory.html

About the press Napoleon also said he feared more 3 newspapers than 300 weapons on a battlefield.

Other links:

Rothschild Napoléon
-http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa435p_rothschild-napoleon_news
How Rothschild came to rule England.

Charles de Gaulle "La politique de la France ne se fait pas à la corbeille"
-http://www.ina.fr/economie-et-societe/vie-economique/video/I00013080/charles-de-gaulle-la-politique-de-la-france-ne-se-fait-pas-a-la-corbeille.fr.html
At a press conference on 28/10/1966 he answers a question of a journalist who points out that the stock market is going down. De Gaulle replies casually that sometimes the stock market is too low and sometimes it is too high, but "anyway the policy of France is not decided at the stock market".

Danse la vie
 
Danse la vie, we've noticed that you don't respond to any direct input you are given on your behavior. Have you read the responses to you in this thread?
 
Danse la vie said:
Kniall said:
Napoleon converted to Islam? :huh:

This has an interesting take on why the monied interests were ranged against the emperor:

Perhaps it is not the reason why Napoleon was fought by all means by the bankers. He was aware of the danger of the Bank of England being a private bank with the gains for its shareholders as unique aim.
Napoleon struggled on the creation of the bank of France, so as to not allow it to be completely dependant on bankers, but controlled by the state. He expressed repeatedly his aim to see the bank work not for speculation and oligarchy, but for real economy. He forced several times the bank to lower its interest rates. And he wanted the state to pay no interest rates. (I have no link in English)

His take on banksters was clear and is well known in France :
"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes... Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain."
Napoleon Bonaparte, 1815

Maybe this is not the only one time where French and English had frictions about Banks:

I found this about Napoleon:

NAPOLEON (1803 - 1825)
He didn't trust the bank saying:

"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes... Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain."
Napoleon Bonaparte, 1815.

For both sides of a war to be loaned money from the same privately owned Central Bank is not unusual. Nothing generates debt like war. A Nation will borrow any amount to win. So naturally if the loser is kept going to the last straw in a vain hope of winning, then the more resources will be used up by the winning side before their victory is obtained more resources used, more loans taken out, more money made by the bankers; and even more amazing, the loans are usually given on condition that the victor pays the debts left by the loser.

In 1803, instead of borrowing from the bank, Napoleon sold territory west of the Mississippi to the 3rd President of the United States, Thomas Jefferson for 3 million dollars in gold; a deal known as the Louisiana Purchase. Three million dollars richer, Napoleon quickly gathered together an army and set about conquering much of Europe. Each place he went to, Napoleon found his opposition being financed by the Bank of England, making huge profits as Prussia, Austria and finally Russia all went heavily into debt trying to stop him.

Four years later, with the main French army in Russia, Nathan Rothschild took charge of a bold plan to smuggle a shipment of gold through France to finance an attack from Spain by the Duke of Wellington. Wellington's attack from the south and other defeats eventually forced Napoleon into exile. However in 1815 he escaped from his banishment in Elba, an Island off the coast of Italy, and returned to Paris.

By March of that year Napoleon had equipped an army with the help of borrowed money from the Eubard Banking House of Paris. With 74,000 French troops led by Napoleon, sizing up to meet 67,000 British and other European Troops 200 miles NE of Paris on June 18th 1815, it was a difficult one to call. Back in London, the real potential winner, Nathan Rothschild, was poised to strike in a bold plan to take control of the British stock market, the bond market, and possibly even the Bank of England.

Nathan, knowing that information is power, stationed his trusted agent named Rothworth near the battle field. As soon as the battle was over Rothworth quickly returned to London, delivering the news to Rothschild 24 hours ahead of Wellington's courier. A victory by Napoleon would have devastated Britain's financial system. Nathan stationed himself in his usual place next to an ancient pillar in the stock market.

This powerful man was not without observers as he hung his head, and began openly to sell huge numbers of British Government Bonds.
Reading this to mean that Napoleon must have won, everyone started to sell their British Bonds as well.
The bottom fell out of the market until you couldn't hardly give them away. Meanwhile Rothschild began to secretly buy up all the hugely devalued bonds at a fraction of what they were worth a few hours before.

In this way Nathan Rothschild captured more in one afternoon than the combined forces of Napoleon and Wellington had captured in their entire lifetime.


A very interesting link: http://www.xat.org/xat/moneyhistory.html
Thank you Danse le vie.

Reading the link above, I was thinking about a longer story between French and English and money...

Early with Louis XIV and John Law, a Scottish:

John Law (baptised 21 April 1671 – died 21 March 1729) was a Scottish economist who believed that money was only a means of exchange that did not constitute wealth in itself and that national wealth depended on trade. He was appointed Controller General of Finances of France under King Louis XV.
In 1716 Law established the Banque Générale in France, a private bank, but three-quarters of the capital consisted of government bills and government-accepted notes, effectively making it the first central bank of the nation. He was responsible for the Mississippi Bubble and a chaotic economic collapse in France.
Law was a gambler and a brilliant mental calculator. He was known to win card games by mentally calculating the odds. He originated economic ideas such as "The Scarcity Theory of Value" and the "Real bills doctrine".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Law_(economist)
 
MK Scarlett said:
Looking for about Napoleonic Code on Wikipedia, I found this:

It was, however, the first modern legal code to be adopted with a pan-European scope and it strongly influenced the law of many of the countries formed during and after the Napoleonic Wars.

And more:

Even though the Napoleonic Code was not the first civil code and did not represent the whole of his empire, it was one of the most influential.

Looking after some answers about this specific state all around the World, I was thinking about Civil Code and Commerce Code and I found this (in French, so I used a translator):

As the business believes in a spectacular way (around the year one thousand), has this period when we needed a right (law) to govern these new exchanges, the roman law had not been discovered. That's why the business law was not very influenced by the roman law.
It is also why the French commercial law is specific in France. It is autonomous with regard to the civil law, while in the other countries, they form a whole.

Source in French: http://plopblog.com/Droit_semestre3/Droit%20des%20affaires.pdf

So, the the other countries are the Anglo-Saxon countries with the Common Law. I am French, so I will not explain here the Common Law, I am sure many of you will do it better than I would be able to myself.
Maybe there is something like a "subterranean money war":

We intended to merge both rights which coexist on the surface of the developed world, the English legal tradition and the continental right (law) of romano-Germanic tradition. Then, in a certain period, the World Bank took a stand on the file by supporting that the common law was more effective than the continental right (law) on the economic plan. Today, while the positions of the World Bank are disputed, a single certainty lives:
Both legal traditions base (rest) on one supposed so different some of others than fusion(merger) or the disappearance of one of both traditions is unthinkable.

Source in French: http://www.affj.asso.fr/public/120908-Droit-civil-droit-coutumierpdf.pdf

Here:
The trust in the United Kingdom

" Anglo-Saxon The guardian angel of the " is the expression used by D.J. Hayton in its work The Law of trust to report the importance of the notion of trust in the systems of common law. Indeed, according to this eminent specialist on the subject, the trust plays a vital role in the British company(society) and in the countries formerly governed by Great Britain as the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and India. Pierre Lepaulle, famous French lawyer(avocado), declared: " Agreements most great wars in the simplest inheritance, the most audacious plot of Wall Street in the protection of the children, the trust sees disentangling him the heterogeneous procession of all the efforts of the humanity: the peace dreams, the commercial imperialism, the attempts to annihilate the competition either to reach(affect) the paradise, by hatred or by philanthropy, the love of a close relation of his(her) family or the desire to deprive her(it) of everything after a death; All this in a parade where the protagonists are dressed in dresses or in rags, crowned with a halo or walking(working) by smiling. The trust is the guardian angel of the Anglo-Saxon, accompanying him(it) everywhere coldly, of the cradle up to the grave ". Previously, F.W. Maitland, big historian of the right(law), wrote: " if we asked us what is the biggest and the most distinctive realization carried out(achieved) by the English people in the field of the doctrine, I do not think that we should credit note of better answer give that that one, namely the development in the course of the centuries of the idea of trust " " (http: // droitdutrust.online.fr/, the area(extent) of the rights of the beneficiaries of the trust in English law, Institute of right(law) compared Edouard Lambert, Lyon 3, 1999 university).

Source in French: http://www.lepetitjuriste.fr/droit-international/droit-international-prive/la-fiducie-face-au-trust

Or here:
...Conclusions
In the light of the above, it is clear that the introduction of an unadulterated version of the AngloAmerican Trust in Civil law jurisdictions is impossible without a major overhaul of the dogmatic structure of their Property laws. Only watered-down variations may be possible, as shown not only by the example of the Netherlands in Europe, but, also, jurisdictions of mixed Civil/Common law traditions, Mexico and developed countries in Asia. The Anglo-American Trust is the product not only of the unique historical evolution of Anglo-American law, but, also, the cultural and social ethos in the Anglo-American world that historically asserted the independence of private individual will against tight State control of social and personal affairs, to an extent far greater than in Civil law countries. The Trust institution, as has been noted by a distinguished scholar, ‘…alters the balance of power between the state and the individual. But this can only work if individuals are willing to accept the (normally non-remunerated) responsibilities of the office of the trustee, and if society as a whole is prepared to place confidence in fiduciary relationships, beyond any safety that legal formalities can offer. The social and economic rewards of doing so are beyond dispute, as the success of the institution of Trust in common law countries and, to a certain extent also in Asia, has shown.

Source in English: http://www.raco.cat/index.php/InDret/article/viewFile/80980/105452

I wish questions asked here will be understandable for you, it is complicated for me to search in English about subjects I do not master.

Would it be another goal for the NWO? Unify Laws? How could we doubt of it? :huh:

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I also found this about Napoleonic Code and wowen:

Nothing human beat under its thick armor claimed Lamartine by speaking about Napoleon.

Lamartine made a mistake!
The invincible warrior who moved the borders, cut in the flesh of nations, made and undid the dynasties, the tireless administrator(director), the inspired legislator had a heart which beat under its grey fitted coat. There is at Napoleon's a faculty(power) to like(love) so singular that is it at him the faculty(power) to think and to act, and which makes it a husband and a lover so surprising as a soldier or a statesman.

Désirée, Pauline, Georgina, Antoinette, Adèle, Éléonore, Marie, Marie-Louise, to speak only of the most striking... Evening women, of month, or much more, strokes or real attachments, schemers or - much more rarely - made lose interest, generally easy conquests, them mark out Napoleon's love life as the military victories mark out its campaigns. Napoleon and the love... A subject less frivolous than it appears to it because we can wonder if the misogyny shown by " small corporal ", this misogyny which perspires in many articles of the Civil code, is not the price paid by all the women for the lies, the infidelities and incorrigible coquetry of the only one: " incomparable Joséphine ".

Isabelle Bricard is a historian and an author of numerous books of whom Dictionary of the death of the great men (1995) and the ruling Dynasties of Europe (2000).
Book source in French: http://livre.fnac.com/a2709111/Isabelle-Bricard-Napoleon-Josephine-et-les-autres

A revenge? This is a question and the charia's Book would help him in this way, I guess...
 
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