The Transition

Global Warning

Global Warning

Jedi
Do you think we will experience the transition to 4? Expect the standard reflection that it's open and the time is an illusion what are your feelings about that? I've got a few-years old experience with such ideas; at the same time I left taking drugs and definitely left thinking I have know to that point (on god, family, school, job, future, nowadays), got interested in buddhism and such teachings and started to read Cassiopaea and channelings. So I experienced many things I could call the transition and I've seen a few people who I would recognized as close to it, opening their minds and in growth but also at age when we got college and become adults. I was feeling that there may be some change from point to point - from 3 to 4 but now I don't know. I rather feel there will be some peace on earth piece of shit. We experience some circumstances we may take as catastrophic, apocalyptic, spiritual but these aren't news too. Anyway-what you feel? On some point, to me, the transition was the most important point of the channelings. Expect living and learning, of course.
 
bosy said:
Anyway-what you feel? On some point, to me, the transition was the most important point of the channelings. Expect living and learning, of course.
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Interesting bosy.

I arrived here from a similar route via a brief foray into Buddhism and remember being captivated by the prospect of enlightenment. When I first encountered fourth-way material that spiritual dimension and the question of 'will I reach there?' (3-4D transition) was of great interest to me.

What I've found interesting (and why I'm writing here) is that over the time I've been reading and getting more involved in group work, those initial questions have almost disappeared. Going full circle in a way, or maybe just getting 'grounded'.

I think it's because it's taken me a long time to deeply understand just how vital, mastering the basics, is to ones development. Where I am now I really do see life as you write, "living and learning". The more I think about it, I don't think much can be gained from even thinking about a transition until one is, as Gurdjieff describes, a good obyvatel.

I still do occasionally wonder what a life free of material constraints would be like, but recognize this as a form of daydreaming, even escapism... How can I even contemplate for one second I'll be communicating across the Cosmos with enlightened souls when I can't even pay my road tax on time? :)

Edit: to answer your question, I think we will all experience a transition of some description but for the vast majority probably nearer to 3.1 than 4.
 
bosy said:
Do you think we will experience the transition to 4?
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Don't know. I'm not sure what "experience the transition" to 4th density means. But I think
what might be very important when it comes to any kind of "transition" to greater understanding is the attitude we have towards our suffering. Proper attitude towards suffering may make it trans-formative in a certain sense. This is talked about more in depth in the book 'In Search Of The Miraculous' and in the Wave Series.
 
@ Pob: of course. You know, the dates were mentioned (2012, >2014) but, also: the foreboding. As I remember a quote of Gurdjieff: you get the next world when you handle the prior.

@ kenlee: from what was mentioned in the early channelings I was imaging some global circumstance (apocalyptic vision). We were also talking about the tranition as an experience of some people. While it can be getting some knowledge being close to 4 in 3 (for example getting knowledge talking with 6 in 3, close to 4 ;)), going to 4 was mentioned as to be understood in 3 as dying and being reborn, or what, in 4. It was mentioned as being relocated but more as a mindsoul than alive as in 3. But nevermind. It just got to 'we will see' or 'we don't know' I suppose. :P

(In the first post I intented to write 'except', not 'expect', sounds good anyway).
 
I don’t know either, maybe it depends on each of us, what we see, what we think, what we do. Maybe it happens tomorrow, maybe next week, maybe never. If it’s never, then ‘how do I feel about that?’ is a good question - would that change what I think and what I do?

Maybe we can’t answer it, and anyway we can’t conceive what transition to 4d would be like from here in 3d. But I would say that its better to let go the idea that it’s all some sudden ‘flash-bang’, there you go type thing. Take a look at what’s happening in the world right now, politically, socially, environmentally, and you see that it’s a VERY different world to the one Laura was living in when the Cs came through and those messages about ‘transition’ and changes began.

In that light, perhaps it could be said that things have already begun and have been shifting for quite some time. The post 9/11 world is a very different to the one we once knew for sure. The completely unpredictable, wildly fluctuating weather is very different to weather in the 90s. The weakening of the earth’s magnetic shield, the shrinking / cooling of the atmosphere, the increase in fireballs also come as clues that things are shifting.

But, for all that, the Cs have said:

Q: (L) What is it about the oncoming wave that is going to make any given person aware?

A: Not yet... First: your prophets have always used 3rd density symbology to try to convey 4th density realities. You are attempting to gather 3rd density answers to explain 4th through 7th density principles. This is why you are getting frustrated, because it doesn't "mesh." [...] You see, my dear, when you arrive at 4th density, then you will see.

Q: (L) Well, how in the heck am I supposed to get there if I can't "get it?"
A: Who says you have to "get it" before you get there?

Q: (L) Well, that leads back to: what is the wave going to do to expand this awareness? Because, if the wave is what "gets you there," what makes this so?
A: No. It is like this: After you have completed all your lessons in "third grade," where do you go?

Q: (L) You go to fourth grade.
A: Okay, now, do you have to already be in 4th grade in order to be allowed to go there? Answer.

Q: (L) No. But you have to know all the 3rd density things...
A: Yes. More apropos: you have to have learned all of the lessons.

Q: (L) What kind of lessons are we talking about here?
A: Karmic and simple understandings.

Q: (L) What are the key elements of these understandings, and are they fairly universal?
A: They are universal.

Q: (L) What are they?
A: We cannot tell you that.

Q: (L) Do they have to do with discovering the MEANINGS of the symbology of 3rd density existence, seeing behind the veil... and reacting to things according to choice? Giving each thing or person or event its due?

A: Okay. But you cannot force the issue. When you have learned, you have learned!
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So maybe what we should be focusing on is making sure we learn our lessons here in 3d – Karmic and simple understandings – I don’t think it requires any super-powers, or ‘openings’ other than open eyes, ears and heart. If nothing else happens, there is no transition to 4d, then at least we have learned how develop a normal psychology and to stop living as children. Perhaps then we do indeed find ourselves in ‘another reality’.

Added: There’s a similar question discussed in this thread here: Who will be moved to the fourth density?
 
bosy said:
Do you think we will experience the transition to 4? Expect the standard reflection that it's open and the time is an illusion what are your feelings about that?. Expect living and learning, of course.
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For me, what ever it is , we get used to it. How many time we crave for some thing slog for it , when we achieve, it loses the emotional impact it has before. If one has come to learn and graduate, graduating without learning is meaning less. C's call it Natural Progression.
 
Alada said:
So maybe what we should be focusing on is making sure we learn our lessons here in 3d – Karmic and simple understandings – I don’t think it requires any super-powers, or ‘openings’ other than open eyes, ears and heart. If nothing else happens, there is no transition to 4d, then at least we have learned how develop a normal psychology and to stop living as children. Perhaps then we do indeed find ourselves in ‘another reality’.
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Agreed. For the longest time I was always wishing for this grand 4d transition to release me from this world, took a while to really grok that it's a selfish, childish desire, wanting to escape one's own suffering and responsibility. In fact, longing for this kind of savior makes one no different than a fundie 'Christian' ;) .

When I started trying - and failing - to apply Work concepts, and really see for real that I am not in control of myself, these thoughts started to disappear because I could see that I was NOT ready for that. The kind of thought that gets my juices flowing now is more like "Think of the world we could build here, if we didn't have psychopaths constantly stamping on us".
You know, imagine if everyone around you wasn't totally insane, and you could have a reasoned conversation, cooperate without fear of being stabbed in the back, seek knowledge without being ridiculed and attacked for it.
I'd want to live in a world like that for a while before shooting up to a realm with no time, no right or left, and where every stray thought affects reality!

I think that if we're all going to reach 4d, if it exists, then we will build that staircase ourselves. And it starts by creating a better life for ourselves and others in this current school, and learning its lessons. 4d or not, this is a worthwhile life goal IMO.
 
Seems to me that if any such transition is to an environment that is a step up in the true human evolutionary ladder then it might involve more 'responsibility' in a sense. If we look at the differences between humans and animals, it seems to me that a major one is the enhanced human ability for self-consciousness and thereby the ability to 'create' or direct the conditions of our lives to the extent that a person understands how to do that effectively. If the next step up is a more advanced version of those abilities, then to 'qualify' for that step up a person might need to be well-practiced in being able to control and direct the creative forces that are available to them at this level. An basic analogy might be a kid with a box of matches. You're not going to give a child a box of matches unless he/she has shown an real understanding of what fire can do, how it can be used positively and negatively.
 
@ Alada: the funniest thing would be if there isn't any 4. anyway in the transcripts was about the experience of 4 we may get there and it is being experienced.

@ seek10: don't you ever feel ready? :P there are so many things to learn.

@ Carlise: it seems you already know a little of such realm. ;) the quantum future seems to be mad with the working concept. wish you best.

@ Percieval: who won't allow us to 4 before we can be there: the 4 itself? we learn we are.
 
Perceval said:
Seems to me that if any such transition is to an environment that is a step up in the true human evolutionary ladder then it might involve more 'responsibility' in a sense. If we look at the differences between humans and animals, it seems to me that a major one is the enhanced human ability for self-consciousness and thereby the ability to 'create' or direct the conditions of our lives to the extent that a person understands how to do that effectively. If the next step up is a more advanced version of those abilities, then to 'qualify' for that step up a person might need to be well-practiced in being able to control and direct the creative forces that are available to them at this level. An basic analogy might be a kid with a box of matches. You're not going to give a child a box of matches unless he/she has shown an real understanding of what fire can do, how it can be used positively and negatively.
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I have the feeling that the transition is something pretty much easier and more related to our vibrational rate. The moment the 4D net is fully anchored in the planet, people whose eteric body resonates with that new grid will began smoothly their transition, leaving their anchoring with their actual 3D energy grid of the planet and starting to "exist" into the new "reality" which is just the new etheric body of the planet.


Thus, simply cultivating a higher vibration of your chakras and subtle bodies, by cleaning and maintaining them into a health state can rise your signature.


I think that many people who has not any idea about the 4D change will transition as well, simply because they exist in that somewhat elevated state of vibration, and will find themselves stepping into a new reality suddendly, probably confused.


Also, people whose personal development would be far from what we would consider "apt" for the new reality, will also transition if they know the means (ie magic and esoteric ways to manipulate matter).


In any case, the comets will probably clean up soon the 3D energy grid and all its current reality, so whenever it is time, those with the appropiate FRV will be anchored to the new grid and oblivious to the destruction awaited. Will see what happens in the coming years.
 
Carlise said:
I think that if we're all going to reach 4d, if it exists, then we will build that staircase ourselves. And it starts by creating a better life for ourselves and others in this current school, and learning its lessons. 4d or not, this is a worthwhile life goal IMO.
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I think you expressed it very well, thanks. I also managed to put aside every thought of a "glorious transition to 4d" (most of the time...) but try to conentrate on the here and now. As Pob said, what do I want in 4d when I'm not even able to live a fully disciplined life here in 3d?

And I agree with others that we are already in transition, in a sense - just look at all the chaos around us, but also at the incredible influx of knowledge - from this group and via the internet in general. I mean, we just learnt who the real Jesus was! So it's happening, and somehow I feel that the whole human history - or at least our known history - is culminating in this very moment, that now it's the final battle between two "spiritual currents" that are traceable in all recorded history, as it becomes more and more obvious. The battle is "through us" indeed.

As for the "future", I think if we don't go under, the learning will be greatly intensified - in times of great turmoil, people are forced to make choices, and to help each other. So yeah, the transition won't be a "beam me up" type of thing, but an intense struggle, day by day, minute by minute, to do the best we can to build that staircase. And I think we don't have a clue yet how that staircase will look like, if it exists. Osit.
 
Probably I'd wish there was a transition because my life doesn't seem to lead to anything much interesting or hopeful. I had some experiences which were kind of big but as I look at the past there were such experiences - individual life-experiences, eras, cataclysms - a few times before. Anyhow, C-s told we shall expect such an experience. It was news. It doesn't matter now what they said in '94, but then they said we can expect some new experience 2014 on. What I understand of this message as it is about what there is brewing to - the another thing is what will happen. But a few times it sounded like we shall expect such an experience - after some karmic circumstances, individual or collective lessons and decisions. As a teaching it doesn't matter (it may be an alegory and it is an inspiration) but as a life-circumstance... Doesn't have anything to do with my decisions on everyday's life anyway. ;) (Actually it does and a lot.)
 
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