Third Eye or being a 'seer' - in what ways is it useful?

[axj]

Here is what the C's said about the Third Eye:

2002/07/13
Q: Is this a correspondence that starts at the basal chakra which relates to the sexual center as described by Mouravieff?
A: No. The "sexual center" corresponds to the solar plexus.

Lower moving center - basal chakra
Lower emotional - sexual chakra
Lower intellectual - throat chakra
Higher emotional - heart chakra
Higher intellectual - crown chakra

Q: (L) What about the so-called seventh, or "third eye" chakra?
A: Seer. The union of the heart and intellectual higher centers.

[Laura's note: This would "close the circuit" in the "shepherd's crook" configuration.]

1997/04/12
Q: We have talked about the Nation of the Third Eye before. What is the third eye and how does one activate it?
A: What do you think?
Q: Well, what I think may be erroneous. Is it the pineal gland?
A: May be part of the picture.
Q: Is the third eye something one can use to view their reality?
A: Ditto.
Q: What is the best method for activating it?
A: This is a good one, for example.
Q: Oh, you mean channeling.

My experience with the Third Eye is that I can see some 'swirls' of energy and similar things - especially when I close my eyes and focus on the Third Eye area. However, I've been wondering what the purpose of this "seeing of energy" through the Third Eye is and in what ways to use this on the Path?

My guess is that it comes down to focus and intent. So in some way you need to focus on seeing something or someone through the Third Eye and then you can see the energy configuration of whatever you focus on. At least, that's my understanding.

But how do we do this in practice and in what ways is it useful to 'see' in this way?

 

[Laura]

Here is what the C's said about the Third Eye:

2002/07/13
Q: Is this a correspondence that starts at the basal chakra which relates to the sexual center as described by Mouravieff?
A: No. The "sexual center" corresponds to the solar plexus.

Lower moving center - basal chakra
Lower emotional - sexual chakra
Lower intellectual - throat chakra
Higher emotional - heart chakra
Higher intellectual - crown chakra

Q: (L) What about the so-called seventh, or "third eye" chakra?
A: Seer. The union of the heart and intellectual higher centers.

[Laura's note: This would "close the circuit" in the "shepherd's crook" configuration.]

1997/04/12
Q: We have talked about the Nation of the Third Eye before. What is the third eye and how does one activate it?
A: What do you think?
Q: Well, what I think may be erroneous. Is it the pineal gland?
A: May be part of the picture.
Q: Is the third eye something one can use to view their reality?
A: Ditto.
Q: What is the best method for activating it?
A: This is a good one, for example.
Q: Oh, you mean channeling.

My experience with the Third Eye is that I can see some 'swirls' of energy and similar things - especially when I close my eyes and focus on the Third Eye area. However, I've been wondering what the purpose of this "seeing of energy" through the Third Eye is and in what ways to use this on the Path?

My guess is that it comes down to focus and intent. So in some way you need to focus on seeing something or someone through the Third Eye and then you can see the energy configuration of whatever you focus on. At least, that's my understanding.

But how do we do this in practice and in what ways is it useful to 'see' in this way?

I think you don't really understand what the Cs are talking about or what being a "seer" really is. The idea is not to "see stuff", as in "swirls of energy", nor can you call it up at will. Focusing on the alleged "third eye" location won't help you either.

The ability is quite pragmatic and involves "knowing" at another level. It is a state of awareness.

 

[axj]

Yes, I think I know what you mean. It does seem like the main function of the Third Eye is this "knowing at another level".

I guess I was curious about the more visual type of 'seeing' as described by Castaneda, for example. Where a seer can perceive the state of the human energy cocoon, etc.

It seems like that visual type of 'seeing' is basically a form of clairvoyance. And apparently, clairvoyance does not have to be visual either:

Clairsentience (feeling/touching)

In the field of parapsychology, clairsentience is a form of extra-sensory perception wherein a person acquires psychic knowledge primarily by feeling.

Clairaudience (hearing/listening)

In the field of parapsychology, clairaudience [from late 17th century French clair (clear) and audience (hearing)] is a form of extra-sensory perception wherein a person acquires information by paranormal auditory means. It is often considered to be a form of clairvoyance.[47] Clairaudience is essentially the ability to hear in a paranormal manner, as opposed to paranormal seeing (clairvoyance) and feeling (clairsentience).

Clairalience (smelling)

Also known as clairescence. In the field of parapsychology, clairalience (or alternatively, clairolfactance) [presumably from late 17th century French clair (clear) and alience (smelling)] is a form of extra-sensory perception wherein a person accesses psychic knowledge through the physical sense of smell.

Claircognizance (knowing)

In the field of parapsychology, claircognizance [presumably from late 17th century French clair (clear) and cognizance (< ME cognisaunce < OFr conoissance, knowledge) is a form of extra-sensory perception wherein a person acquires psychic knowledge primarily by means of intrinsic knowledge. It is the ability to know something without a physical explanation why you know it, like the concept of mediums.

Clairgustance (tasting)

In the field of parapsychology, clairgustance is defined as a form of extra-sensory perception that allegedly allows one to taste a substance without putting anything in one's mouth. It is claimed that those who possess this ability are able to perceive the essence of a substance from the spiritual or ethereal realms through taste.

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clairvoyance

Claircognizance - " the ability to know something without a physical explanation why you know it" - sounds pretty much like what you described as the primary function of the Third Eye.

 

[Minas Tirith]

1997/04/12

Q: We have talked about the Nation of the Third Eye before. What is the third eye and how does one activate it?
A: What do you think?
Q: Well, what I think may be erroneous. Is it the pineal gland?
A: May be part of the picture.
Q: Is the third eye something one can use to view their reality?
A: Ditto.
Q: What is the best method for activating it?
A: This is a good one, for example.
Q: Oh, you mean channeling.

For me, Third Eye is/are the Higher Centers and you go there by connecting the chakras/lower centers as recommended by the C's in recent sessions. There you perceive Reality as it is - in this it is a gateway to higher density without the 3rd Density illusion. (This is purely theoretical for me as well, of course)

But one might have had glimpses of this in short moments, where you "saw" - not swirls, but "things as they are". Clairvoyance might or might not be a part of it, but I am not sure here.

M.T.

 

[axj]

For me, Third Eye is/are the Higher Centers and you go there by connecting the chakras/lower centers as recommended by the C's in recent sessions. There you perceive Reality as it is - in this it is a gateway to higher density without the 3rd Density illusion. (This is purely theoretical for me as well, of course)

But one might have had glimpses of this in short moments, where you "saw" - not swirls, but "things as they are". Clairvoyance might or might not be a part of it, but I am not sure here.

M.T.

I think you describe it pretty well.

In my experience, perceiving "things as they are" also involves the perception of subtle 'energy'. I find that I usually 'feel' it, but lately I also see these 'lines' or 'swirls' of energy in a more visual way. Again, this has been described by Castaneda quite extensively.

Furthermore, and this is a slightly different topic, focusing on the location of the energy centers or chakras can be helpful as well. While it is not the primary way of activating and connecting the chakras, focusing on a chakra over a period of time has very clear beneficial effects.

For example, I used to focus on the root chakra in situations where I felt somewhat insecure and this helped to bring in the 'consciousness' or state of security on a deeper level. The same is true for the other chakras as well, in my experience.

 

[Laura]

Focusing on reality and learning to "read" it accurately is the fast track to becoming a SEER. Trying to develop, or concentrating on, "phenomena" is not only a distraction, but will block REAL SEEing.

Remember Don Juan's Three phase progression.

 

[Zee Ley]

It could be so irrelevant that even speculation but I'll try my luck:)

When C's mentioned about "connecting chakras" the flashback regarding one of my dreams happened. I'm going to sketch the main idea here.
Imagine five fold star aka pentagram. Upper beam represents head, side beams picture hands, and remaining two are legs. Center is in genitals.
As I saw in internet upside down pentagram in medieval times symbolized the head of the goat. Horns, ears and hairs/beard. In this case center is in third eye area.
In this sence the figure of a man with goat (maybe deer) head may represent yogic sushumna or something like that. A path from root chakra to so called third eye.
Strange indeed how this symbol became popular in satanism.

 

[axj]

Focusing on reality and learning to "read" it accurately is the fast track to becoming a SEER. Trying to develop, or concentrating on, "phenomena" is not only a distraction, but will block REAL SEEing.

Remember Don Juan's Three phase progression.

'Energy' is just as much a part of reality as anything physical. Ignoring this part of reality by declaring it a "phenomena" seems to be quite self-limiting, to say the least.

I am not saying that this perception of energy is an end in and of itself. It is not. It is simply an ability that develops quite naturally as a 'side product' of doing the Work.

Don Juan also taught the perception of 'energy' - which was clearly a part of being a seer, as described in those books.

 

[Laura]

It could be so irrelevant that even speculation but I'll try my luck:)

When C's mentioned about "connecting chakras" the flashback regarding one of my dreams happened. I'm going to sketch the main idea here.
Imagine five fold star aka pentagram. Upper beam represents head, side beams picture hands, and remaining two are legs. Center is in genitals.
As I saw in internet upside down pentagram in medieval times symbolized the head of the goat. Horns, ears and hairs/beard. In this case center is in third eye area.
In this sence the figure of a man with goat (maybe deer) head may represent yogic sushumna or something like that. A path from root chakra to so called third eye.
Strange indeed how this symbol became popular in satanism.

Connecting the chakras has to do with connecting with OTHER PEOPLE by direct networking/work on the self in a community environment. That's the "multiple user necessity" part of things.

 

[Laura]

'Energy' is just as much a part of reality as anything physical. Ignoring this part of reality by declaring it a "phenomena" seems to be quite self-limiting, to say the least.

I am not saying that this perception of energy is an end in and of itself. It is not. It is simply an ability that develops quite naturally as a 'side product' of doing the Work.

Don Juan also taught the perception of 'energy' - which was clearly a part of being a seer, as described in those books.

Keep in mind that you have to read Castaneda with care because most of what he wrote about was a direct rip-off of Gurdjieff and comparative studies need to be done before "buying" anything.

Also, do you think you are ready to work directly with someone like the mythical Don Juan? Or Gurdjieff even?

"Perception of energy" manifests in a few different ways, the least efficient and the most distracting and potentially error-prone is visual. Study the mechanics of vision to understand this. There are many things that can cause visual perception, but if the "eyes of the soul" are not developed and tuned, "even Satan can appear as an angel of light."

 

[Laura]

In nature, God manifests in all his many faces. Nature is the organ which proclaims the creator. It is important to learn everything you can about the physical world before you begin to investigate the spirit world because, as Chittick writes, “there are innumerable realms in the unseen world, some of them far more dangerous than the worst jungles of the visible world.”

Once you have learned about the physical world many things about the spiritual world, which have previously been inexplicable to you, will then be understood.

As the Sufis say, “Every day God is upon some different task”. However, we can also observe that change operates in a sequential and progressive manner manifested as patterns recognizable to human consciousness. These patterns take shape as the forms inherent in the nature of the instant of time when they are observed. They are manifestations of the present state of cosmic being and have much to tell us of the nature and potential development of that state. Even those things that seem to be random, according to chaos theory, conform to certain mathematical principles of randomness. We also have synchronicity, which tells us that all things are in some way linked to each other.

The eighteenth century Icelandic mystic, Jon Jonsson said, “God plays at Forkjaering with man in this world”. Forkjaering is a dice game. Later, Albert Einstein said, “God does not play dice” with the universe. I think the truth is somewhere in between. We are pawns in a game, only the players are, in some sense, ourselves. And we are pawns as long as we don’t know the rules of the game. Once we have served our apprenticeship as playing pieces, we are then able to take our place with the players.

The important thing is that we have to gain a perspective on our existence that is not third density in order to fully enter into third density with the “proper perspective”. This is reflected in the saying of Jesus that we are to be “in the world, but not of it”.

http://cassiopaea.org/2010/05/18/the-wave-chapter-25-a-walk-in-nature-among-the-names-of-god-where-we-have-an-interview-with-the-vampire-and-discover-a-cosmic-egg/