Three fingered Peruvian mummies are real

Maat

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This thread is related to this one Strange alien skeleton in Peru

Now, today, I listened the 4 hours long report of the results and took notes (warning : I don't speak spanish and must relied to what the benevolent translator understood or not - he obvioulsy get lost at some times, it's understable). First thing first, I will add that the word "alien" or "extraterrestrial" had not been a single time said in all of this. (I say it that because of the title Mystery Universe s'paper)

Now, my poor notes :

- Thierry Jamin, chairman of the Inkari Cusco Institute talk about the circumstance of his implication with this discovery (nothing new compared to what he said elsewhere and before)

- Dr Salas, tomography & radiography expert :

-- For "Wawita" : tridactyl but obvious mutilation of the 1 & 5 phalanx of hands & feet ; maybe "ritual"
-- For "Maria" : true tridactyl ; skull volume 19 % up / humans; 12 ribs ; 7e vertebra broken; herniated disc; right hand : injury between the 1e &2 phalanx, left hand intact, hands = 20 cm long; no mutilation; fracture of one foot; great distance between toes; natural death

- Dr Clara Martinez, biochimist from Switzerland (very very confused lecture - so confused that I even don't understand my notes some hours later ! so I will stick with more sure)
-- For Maria -> results of different labs for homo sapiens matches :

biotecmol 34,93 %
U russia 23.8 %
Labo of Sarah Kouhou 33.67 %
Media 30.8 %

-- For Victoria 19.82 %
-- For Wawita 25.06 % (But just one lab for these 2 last)

2 differents species possibles : Victoria and Maria/Wawita

-- sample of a head alone : haplogroup Q (american origin) and for the mitochondrial ADN HV2 & B2a

- Dr Jose de La Cruz biologist

-- Josefina : called it a "reptil humanoid", oviparous; singular skull morphology; liquid feeding; 3 calcified eggs in abdomen + one in formation; tridactyl hands and foots typical of extinct dinosaurs + empty bones & vertebras also typical of extinct dinosaurs
-- Maria : tridactyl, no auricle; tendon in the heel placed differently; angle 90° of the foot

So, for him, singular species different from humans, and he notes the maya tridactyl figurines.

- ?, genetician from Abraxas : samples deteriorated by oldness; matche with human (result with different filters)

-- Victoria2 14.29 % ; 18 %
-- hand alone 97.69% ; 99 %
-- Victoria4 15.26 %; 67 %

Contamination hazard ; absolutely no matches with Blast, taxmap, NCBI (data bases for known species)

- Dr Jose de Jesus Zalce, forensic :

-- 60 cm body : no teeth, visual amplitude >180°, triangular vertebras, singular clavicle (like birds or dinosaur), metal plate encrusted in the thorax; scoliosis, 7e vertebra injury; eggs in abdomen with a normal angle for gestational process --> new species, singular evolution, natural, harmonious anatomy, impossible fake

- an archeologist from Lima University : rant because of circumstances, no background (archeologically speaken because of the scavengers), etc, even if doesn't deny results

- ? from St Petersburg University :

-- Maria, C14 datation : 1750 yold; 30/35 yold given skull and teeth, no coccyx, external injuries ; 7e vertebra injuried; tridactyl; no molar,
DNA analysis of hand & foot -> same individual, no known species; oily biological stuff over the sample

-- "infant" : maybe 1 or 1.5yold; oil & grains in tissues; skull malformation ?; lots of injury, scalp, vertebras, tridactyl but last phalanx artificially bent; wrap full of grains

-- Josefina : ocular & nasal cavities < humans; clavicula different, typical of dinosaur, broken with a metal plate to maintain rib cage ? tridactyl; spheres in the joints; 3 objects with like an 8 weeks embryo in one of them

cites the lot of tridactyl artefacts in Peru

 

BlackCartouche

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Sorry SlavaOn, Im really not buying this. Its the fingers that give it away, they just look silly like sticks sticking out of a sawn-off stump... And what - 3 gangly long twiggy fingers clawing out like that with no opposable thumb? Pointless evolution. Ands whats the white stuff they're covered in? Wash it off already!
The website has a disingenuous feel, trying to excite whipping people up without 'trying' to. Its a much less showy version of Ancient Aliens, Im surprised Georgio Tsoukalos didn't pop up in the background of the lab with his crazy windsock hair tbh.
 

SlavaOn

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Nothing to be sorry. A good dose of healthy skepticism is what the doctor ordered!
Shall we ask the Cs for their opinion of the origins of these species?

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Maat

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The website has a disingenuous feel, trying to excite whipping people up without 'trying' to. Its a much less showy version of Ancient Aliens, Im surprised Georgio Tsoukalos didn't pop up in the background of the lab with his crazy windsock hair tbh.

Despite my long interest in ufology, I didn't know who was this Georgio Tsoukalos who you refered to. Nor didn't I already see Ancient Aliens. So, today, I've start watching it. It's a little too much monomaniac for me, I would say. And now, I find your reference a little insulting ! ;-D:-P;-)
 

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Despite my long interest in ufology, I didn't know who was this Georgio Tsoukalos who you refered to. Nor didn't I already see Ancient Aliens. So, today, I've start watching it. It's a little too much monomaniac for me, I would say. And now, I find your reference a little insulting ! ;-D:-P;-)

Maat, why on earth do you find an honest comment about something else - not you - "insulting"??? A bit identified with your find?
 

BlackCartouche

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Maat, why on earth do you find an honest comment about something else - not you - "insulting"??? A bit identified with your find?
I think Maat meant it in jest hence following on with the 3 jokey emojis (;-D:-P;-)) or at least thats how I took it to be.

@Maat In defense of Georgio Tsoukalos, I think he's a fairly stand-up guy, but he lets his enthusiasm runaway with him and too quick to "believe" and suffers from many blind spots. However, from what I can ascertain - and have heard from those who have met him, he has impeccable external consideration (which is probably more than can be said of myself)
 
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Laura

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I think Maat meant it in jest hence following on with the 3 jokey emojis (;-D:-P;-)) or at least thats how I took it to be.

@Maat In defense of Georgio Tsoukalos, I think he's a fairly stand-up guy, but he lets his enthusiasm runaway with him and too quick to "believe" and suffers from many blind spots. However, from what I can ascertain - and have heard from those who have met him, he has impeccable external consideration (which is probably more than can be said of myself)

I see. Funny that I didn't even notice the emojis as I was so concentrated on the words. I apologize.
 

BlackCartouche

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I see. Funny that I didn't even notice the emojis as I was so concentrated on the words. I apologize.
Their cartoon-ish-ness can detract from serious thinking, so understandable if blocking them out when concerned with being meticulous of mind.
I apologize.
I think most of us here are just quietly grateful you give us your time and attention to respond - even if its to give our knuckles a rap! :-D
 

SlavaOn

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The photographs showing bones and tissues are stunning. I failed to notice any scalpel or bone saw marks...

The "hoaxers" should have put a lot of their efforts (by removing extra toes, as you are suggesting) to modify these unknown to modern science species to look like something else. The modern scientists also put a lot of efforts to investigate these remains using all tools and techniques that they have the access to and sharing them with all of us.

Who is playing the hoax, in your opinion? What is the purpose?
 

Laura

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The photographs showing bones and tissues are stunning. I failed to notice any scalpel or bone saw marks...

I don't find the photos either stunning or convincing but that may be because, at one time in my life, I spent a lot of time looking at photos in medical books and also dissecting various creatures.
 

Maat

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I think Maat meant it in jest hence following on with the 3 jokey emojis (;-D:-P;-)) or at least thats how I took it to be.

You took it right ;-) And it obviously wasn't the best joke of the year, and I'm sorry to have been so unclear. It's not always easy when you speak in a foreign langage, (and even sometimes in your langage to convey what you mean right)

In defense of Georgio Tsoukalos, I think he's a fairly stand-up guy, but he lets his enthusiasm runaway with him and too quick to "believe" and suffers from many blind spots. However, from what I can ascertain - and have heard from those who have met him, he has impeccable external consideration (which is probably more than can be said of myself)

OK, point taken. Alien Theory doesn't make him look like the most rigourous person of the world, to say the least. But it could also be accentuated by the chosen sequences .

The photographs showing bones and tissues are stunning. I failed to notice any scalpel or bone saw marks...

The "hoaxers" should have put a lot of their efforts (by removing extra toes, as you are suggesting)

In fact, for the body called "Wawita", Dr Salas said the data showed it was obviously mutilated, but that's something he didn't find in at all in "Maria" where the articulations and bones of the hands and feet are intact (except a fracture of a right hand finger), coherent and functional.
 

BlackCartouche

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You took it right ;-) And it obviously wasn't the best joke of the year, and I'm sorry to have been so unclear. It's not always easy when you speak in a foreign langage, (and even sometimes in your langage to convey what you mean right)
No no... I thought you were quite clear... the 3 emojis, right? :cool:
Who is playing the hoax, in your opinion? What is the purpose?
Well, if I'm going to be a total Western @sshole about it, I might say: the Peruvian government are feeling left out of global affairs and Peru forgotten, and wish to remind the world there's is still a land aplenty with much intrigue worth investigating with many a hidden secret of 'our origins' left unturned.
Nazca and Machu Picchu is losing its pizzazz and requires something... more meaty.
 

Maat

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Well, if I'm going to be a total Western @sshole about it, I might say: the Peruvian government are feeling left out of global affairs and Peru forgotten, and wish to remind the world there's is still a land aplenty with much intrigue worth investigating with many a hidden secret of 'our origins' left unturned.
Nazca and Machu Picchu is losing its pizzazz and requires something... more meaty.

Why not ? But it would imply the involvement of :
- INGEMMET (Peru)
- Beta Analytics Dating Laboratory (USA)
- IFUNAM (Mexico)
- Caribbean Trace Genetics and Archeobiology
- Paleo-DNA Laboratory (Canada)
- Genetech (Sri Lanka)
- Edson Salazar Vivanco – Surgeon,
- Raymundo Salas Alfaro – Radiologist doctor,
- Ramiro Hermoza Rosell – Surgeon,
- Julio Espejo Torres – Bone specialist,
- Renan Ramírez Vargas – Surgeon,
- David Hermosa Gongora – Radiologist doctor,
- Jésus Zalce Benitez – Forensic Pathologist, Forensic Anthropologist,
- Jose De La Cruz Rios – Doctor in biology,
- Konstantin Korotkov – Professor of Physics,
- Michael Asseev – Genetic analysis,
- Natalia Zaloznaja – Imaging and medical analysis,
- Mary Jesse – Professeur – Medical imaging

among others and not all are Peruvian. Isn't it a little too much, or I am too naive ?

And with that, I'm not saying it's 100% sure it's this or that (there seems to be different stuff anyway), just that maybe it should not be discarded too easily.
 
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