Too late in discovering strategic enclosure...

[ALLusion]

Hi guys, I'm assuming I'm not alone on this one, I was too late in discovering the importance of keeping a strategic enclosure.
Prior to finding this site my head was filled with information from the usual disinformation sources and I hadn't thought to keep it secret (infact they seem to give off the opposite impression of what to do with the information) so I started telling people, feeling the need to get the information across.
Everyone here knows thats a big mistake! so ill spare the details unless you think they may be important, I'm just asking for advice on what to do in this situation where my peers and parents (my mother is very concered for me but my father doesn't show any interest and never really has!) think I've lost the plot...
I also find it VERY challenging to keep my mouth shut still, I recall Gurdjieff saying its a big accomplishment for a person to keep quiet about such issues, the problem arises when people are talking about something I know to be erroneous and I just can't help but give input sometimes. I realize there is no point in trying when the people your talking to know you think lizards are in charge! (this was back in the David Icke days which led me to here while searching for more information on these critters) Its pure comedy for them, anything but for me! Thanks for taking the time to read this.

 

[Aiming]

Hi guys, I'm assuming I'm not alone on this one, I was too late in discovering the importance of keeping a strategic enclosure.
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Everyone here knows thats a big mistake! so ill spare the details unless you think they may be important, I'm just asking for advice on what to do in this situation where my peers and parents (my mother is very concered for me but my father doesn't show any interest and never really has!) think I've lost the plot...

Hi Diplodocus,

I'm far from being in the position to offer advice on this, but I can relate somewhat to what you've experienced.

While I personally keep pretty silent towards other people on the topics discussed here, I do have my 'slips', too, for example
when I'm suddenly telling another about the real causes of health issues (although my knowledge of it is not anywhere close
to give really detailed information), while the other hasn't even asked for it! One such example is my work colleague, who suffers
from multiple sclerosis. At one point I suddenly simply blabbered along, telling her of nutrition and vaccines etc.
Well, needless to say, she considers me a bit weird, to say the least.

So, what am I doing to change her view of me, or rather, to be more externally considerate, and leave her the freedom
to believe in the official medical opinion of it? I'm not talking about it anymore, and count on her forgetting it over time,
while I let her see me acting and talking like a "normal" human being as she is herself.

Not sure, whether this will work out or is the right approach, I'm testing it, so to speak, and much more training is needed for me!

Now, your case seems a bit more serious, with your mother even showing concern and all.

Maybe the first thing you could do is Stop talking about these things (as in: if you want to 'talk' about these things, then do it here
on this network, with like-minded people). Next thing is, you could start playing it all down in front of your mother and whoever else
knows about your interest; you could also say you've erred and it was some crazy idea or something along that line.

This however could challenge a program and it could be another hard thing for Ego to do.

Another thing would be to keep insisting on your own personal interests (maybe as some kind of un-identified study of yours), but
at the same time not ever talking about it anymore - they would then think that you do have some weird study topics, but as you're
not believing in these weird study topics, but simply studying them, it would not be threatening to them anymore.

Well, that's all that comes to mind for now, but I'm sure, more experienced members will step in and give good advice.

In any case, don't worry too much, just see what can be done and then do it -- it simply is a lesson for you -- and I wish you good luck! :)

 

[Bo]

Diplo,

I made the same mistake in the past like you, I am sure many other have done so as well, this lesson has learned me a lot about patience.

The important thing here is that you are aware of it now, this is key in helping you to solve your situation, and let me tell you that it is never too late, there is always a way around, now that you have realized this mistake , you can correct it, I will tell you how I have dealt with it, perhaps my experience can help you in dealing with your situation.

When I first became aware of the C's and Gurdjieff, Don Juan and others, I was so excited that I wanted to share this information with everyone, I was telling my parents and some of my friends, and oh boy! I was being mocked and laughed at, my uncle even started to get concerned, he started to call my mother and telling her that there are a lot of young people who get tricked into these kind of disinformation and eventually they suicide and bla bla bla bla.

Ofcourse you can imagine that I made my own life a target at that moment, My parents even suggested therapy.

it is at this moment I started to realize that I was only hurting my parents , myself and everyone in my environment, I learned that sometimes people don't like to hear the truth , they don't care, they love their illusion, they will do anything to protect it. It was not up to me to decide their needs, because that is what I was doing , I was forcing the truth upon them , without considering what THEY would want.

It is at that moment I slowly started to apologize for my behaviour, I told them that they are right and that I have stopped reading such nonsense, If I really wanted to help my parents or my friends, I would accept them as who they are and perhaps learn myself on how to seed knowledge upon them, with seeding I mean , a way to introduce them to the truth WITHOUT hurting their beliefs, for example ;

''Hey dad do you think there are such things as aliens?'' from their answers one can then proceed to plant other seeds, or for example
''Hey dad what do you think of the president, you think he wants to help us ?'' etc. etc. Learn to be creative.

Or if you see they are not interested in ANY way, then leave them as they are, you need to learn to respect their beliefs, they are allowed to believe whatever they want to believe it is not up to you too decide their needs.

Now that you have realized the importance of strategic enclosure, you can for example tell them they were all right and that you found out it was all a hoax, so you won't be a target? and those people in your familly who do seem to show an interest, try to talk with them in a strategic way, try to understand them.

But this seeding should be done after you have learned to a major extend to be silent when it is needed, after you have mastered the art of silence, you can proceed stragetically with seeing who is interested and who is not if that is still your desire at that time.

 

[Buddy]

Hi Diplodocus.
Someone else on the forum had that same experience and anart gave some excellent advice, from my view, but I can't find it at the moment.

First, the best thing is probably just to try and relax. You can re-enclose yourself by proceeding to act with external consideration from this point. If someone notices and asks questions, you can simply say something they can relate to, like how you just got to the point where you just felt like exploding and had to 'let it out'. That maybe things aren't the way you think they are and that you just need to find out some more info when you have the time.

There's no need to lie to anyone if you're uncomfortable with that, just use general statements that can be interpreted different ways such as when someone's parent asked if the child believed in God, and the child said "yes", knowing full well that it was true (Divine Cosmic Mind can be considered God in this context), even though the parent might be thinking something else.

Please remember this experience and try to avoid it in the future. There's a good reason for the Strategic Enclosure. It's to protect you - even save your life. :)

 

[truth seeker]

Perhaps this is it?

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=14336.0

 

[Buddy]

Awesome! Thanks, truth seeker!

Maybe the responses here, and that thread, will be helpful for Diplodocus.

 

[Ben]

I can relate to this too, I think it is only natural to want to share such significant material with others. I have calmed down a lot since I first found this website, although when it comes to matters such as health and diet I just cannot keep quiet. I feel there are times when keeping quiet, 'keeping the peace' are secondary to making sure that you have done all you can to help somebody who is suffering (and if they don't want your help then it is time to shut up!). I think it comes down to 'critical correction', the assumption that people's minds will work the same way as yours when presented with information, when in fact they would rather fight to maintain their illusion. It can be a frustrating and sad experience for me.

 

[shijing]

I've definitely had experience with this -- I've talked about it a bit on another thread, but I went through a period where I felt like I was morally obligated to share the truth that I felt I was finding about all sorts of things with all of my friends. The majority of this unfortunately happened when I was really taken with David Icke's work about four years ago, and as a result I estranged myself to various degrees from several of my friends, and probably lost credibility with them as well. Alderpax mentioned something similar on another thread, so it seems like several of us have had similar experiences with getting ourselves into trouble courtesy of Icke's reptilians -- we should form a support group :)

Since coming here, and actually learning that something like 'strategic enclosure' even exists, my strategy has been to just stop talking about esoteric and paranormal things unless someone asks -- which nobody ever does, so its not really ever an issue. I think my friends still have it in the back of their minds that they don't want to go there, which is too bad because i think my former tell-all strategy did some damage there, but at the same time those relationships are still basically intact and time is slowly taking care of some of the discomfort that developed because of my earlier recklessness.

I agree that you don't have to lie -- for me, it has been sufficient to merely not bring anything up that I could predict would be uncomfortable for someone who wasn't asking for it, and leave it at that. I also agree that not all information is the same -- the health and diet information here is really not all that incredible, and not something that you can't find other places; it just happens to be collected here in a really comprehensive and organized way. Just remember that issues like vaccines and fluoride can be touchy subjects because of all the propaganda behind them, but in general I think its fine to let people know that eating certain kinds of food can exacerbate an auto-immune reaction, for example.

 

[Mountain Crown]

It would be well to keep in mind that there are formidable forces capable of great subtlety and outstanding control with a vast scope and range of activity that function to keep everything in its place. Our place unfortunately, is to be food via coarse emotional vibrations that result from a mechanical state of consciousness (if you could even call it that.)

Any hint of awakening alerts these forces to action, using anything and yes, anyone to produce the desired outcome. One way to prevent awakening is by distraction, for awakening requires commitment and work of uncommon dedication. It doesn’t matter really, all things considered, that someone regarded us as weirdos, or mocked us, or shunned us, but what it took afterwards to go through those various debates, thought-loops full of worried identification, doubts, fears, and so on does matter. Ponder for a moment what we could have done with the time and energy used.

Now add to the inventory money problems, health care, accidents, pathology, landlords, politicians; the list is endless and readily available to keep us asleep.

How do we avert all this? It’s a complex issue with a simple answer: shut up. Stop bringing attention to ourselves, answer only when asked. It’s easy to say, difficult to do.

Oh, about lying – do it, do it brazenly if you must. Act for your destiny.

 

[theos]

Hi Diplo,

Just remember the more you practice strategic enclosure the easier it gets.

I can relate to this too, I think it is only natural to want to share such significant material with others. I have calmed down a lot since I first found this website, although when it comes to matters such as health and diet I just cannot keep quiet.

I find myself struggling with this as well. I have some family members that are in pretty bad health. Through conversations -- and it may have been that I was "leading" them -- they expressed interest in knowing more. But over time it became pretty apparent that they were not really interested in making any real changes. So I just had to zip my lips. In the long run it really saves me time and energy. What's the point of blabbering on to someone who's not interested?

It may be good for others to know that you study a variety of matters so maybe if they will keep you in mind if they have questions in the future, osit.

 

[IHI666]

Thanks so much for sharing these experiences guys! Something told me I needed to stop by here and check in.It was right after wasting a few hours sharing links and info that I wonder if anyone bothers to look at anyway. I have battled with this particular lesson for years.It helps me greatly just knowing (it's not just me).
Thanks again!

 

[ALLusion]

Many thanks for all the replies, its the relationship between me and my mum that needs repairing more than anything, most of my friends are impartial to my views mostly because it goes 'in 1 ear and out the other', just the odd 1 or 2 who cause a bit of hassle. Telling my parents I don't believe in any of it anymore isn't an option for me as I'm currently living with them and they always see me reading a book in bed or on SoTT etc. plus my mums bought me Almost Human for xmas :D

Its really more for her sanity than mine! I'm aware she doesn't want to hear about it anymore, just need to not let that awareness drop when shes watching BBC news (the news really knows how to trigger an emotional response in any person!) From now on I will simply extract myself from the situation, go into a different room or something.
Once again thanks everyone.

 

[Argonaut]

Diplodocus,

I definitely feel for you! I screwed up majorly on this in the past, particularly with my fundamentalist dad. It seems very common when we first become aware of this stuff; it's easy to get excited and try to "help" those we care about.

I've definitely had experience with this -- I've talked about it a bit on another thread, but I went through a period where I felt like I was morally obligated to share the truth that I felt I was finding about all sorts of things with all of my friends. The majority of this unfortunately happened when I was really taken with David Icke's work about four years ago, and as a result I estranged myself to various degrees from several of my friends, and probably lost credibility with them as well. Alderpax mentioned something similar on another thread, so it seems like several of us have had similar experiences with getting ourselves into trouble courtesy of Icke's reptilians -- we should form a support group :)

A support group may not be a bad idea!

Like Shijing said, I also started with a similar lack of Strategic Enclosure, courtesy of Icke, and turned off a lot of friends and family. Which is understandable, since Icke proclaims "I WILL speak my truth, consequences be damned!" This is how he thinks AND how he lives, and it definitely rubs off on his followers. Strategic Enclosure is an alien concept for him (no pun intended). This had a huge effect on me, and I'm guessing Shijing can attest to this too. Come to think of it, most teachers of "truth" seem to have little concept of Strategic Enclosure. They all act like it's noble to be bluntly - and loudly - honest about "the truth" at all times. And if someone is negatively affected by it, that's THEIR problem, not yours! The idea's also pushed that hiding your convictions is cowardly, or even an insult to "the cause." COINTELPRO in action, maybe? After all, if people are shouting the truth from the housetops, they're far easier to identify and round up when the crap hits the fan.

In any case, it's very easy to start out with no idea of Strategic Enclosure, say things, then later on have to do damage control. A huge amount of us have probably gone through this. Currently I do what's been advised here - I keep quiet and rely on fading memories to put it all in the past. But like you, in some cases it seems that damage has been done. My dad says he prays every day that I'll come back to Jesus. He is very saddened by the "fact" that his son will burn in Hell forever. He doesn't harass me about it (much), but I can imagine it weighs on him heavily. And I deeply regret causing him such pain. I'd love to reverse this and somehow convince him I've "returned to the fold..." As a matter of External Considering for his sake, not just Strategic Enclosure for my own.

Maybe the answer lies in using Christian terms that have true meaning for us, and just letting others interpret them as they will. As Buddy said:

There's no need to lie to anyone if you're uncomfortable with that, just use general statements that can be interpreted different ways such as when someone's parent asked if the child believed in God, and the child said "yes", knowing full well that it was true (Divine Cosmic Mind can be considered God in this context), even though the parent might be thinking something else.

God, Jesus, salvation, sin, even Satan and demons - all of this has corresponding meaning in the esoteric principles we follow. And now we have FOTCM and the Prayer of the Soul. So we can even say that we're members of a Christian religion and pray to God daily. And it would all be TRUE. But I'm not saying that lying is out of the question; do whatever is required. As MC said so well: Act for your destiny.

Keeping quiet from this point forward will go far, but some proactive "damage control" may also be required at first. As in, approaching the affected party and saying, "Hey, I've got some great news..." This is something I fear doing with my dad, because what if he asks for details and I falter? Could it wind up doing more damage if he senses that I'm trying to deceive him? Could it destroy a possibility of Strategic Enclosure permanently? And what if he asks what church I attend, or what changed my mind? I couldn't exactly point him here - or even to the FOTCM site. He might assume I joined a cult, making the situation even worse! So something like this takes a lot of premeditation and planning, osit.

 

[Mildain]

I'm having this same problem in my life, having spilled my perspective on all things to co-workers, friends, and family of all of the different things I have been reading about from various websites over the years. I have recently come to realize how many many times I screwed this up, and I kind of regret saying all those things and behaving that way to people - I didn't realize that this can seriously damage not only my reputation, but has the potential to put myself and others in danger .. BIG mistakes ..

I'm still in the process of fully understanding this idea of "Strategic Enclosure", I think I have many hours of reading to do on this subject. (Gurdjieff I guess is the primary source to read about). The good news is that my mind is clearing up quite a bit after changing my diet, even my ability to read and understand literature and information is slightly better than before. (In fact, it's better than it has ever been ..)

 

[luc]

Hi Mildain,

I have recently come to realize how many many times I screwed this up, and I kind of regret saying all those things and behaving that way to people - I didn't realize that this can seriously damage not only my reputation, but has the potential to put myself and others in danger .. BIG mistakes ..

It's great that you realize this now, so that you can be more considerate towards other people. However, don't beat yourself up on what you did - you didn't know then. And sharing is natural to us, so in a "perfect world" it would be normal to share our deep thoughts with many people I think. Only this isn't a perfect world...

I'm still in the process of fully understanding this idea of "Strategic Enclosure", I think I have many hours of reading to do on this subject. (Gurdjieff I guess is the primary source to read about).

The concept is actually presented in Mouravieff's Gnosis (you can find it online). It's a bit abstract but it helped me a lot to understand these concepts.

From my experience I can say that especially in the beginning, I think it's better to stay on the safer side, meaning not to rock people's boats too much. To me, this also serves as a good "alarm clock", since I forget myself more when in social situations. So when I start stating my opinions too heavily, I suddenly realize that I forgot about myself and the Work in that moment and stop myself immediately.

The good news is that my mind is clearing up quite a bit after changing my diet, even my ability to read and understand literature and information is slightly better than before. (In fact, it's better than it has ever been ..)

Keep it up, a good diet is absolutely crucial to gain control over our body-mind, at least that's my experience. Good luck!