U.S.Military Scrambling to Explain Mystery Missle Firing

Buddy

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...off the Southern California coast Monday evening...[and] officials are staying tight-lipped over the nature of the projectile (so not actually explaining anything).

Pentagon and Military officials say they do not know who fired the projectile.

According to Reports, there were no Military activities reported in that region Monday night. A Spokesman for the Navy said, that it was not a Navy Missile.

NORAD, the entity supposedly responsible for the safety of American citizens is also clueless, apparently.
_http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-517084?ref=feeds%2Flatest


Officially, at least, the projectile remains a mystery missile.
_http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/09/national/main7036716.shtml


One wonders, of course, exactly who is in control?


Edit: spelling and clarity
 
Missle launch?

Anyone know anything more about this missile launch west of LA this week beside what little is being told on TV?
 
Re: Missle launch?

Not yet, unless I've missed something.


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edit: re-edited to make more sense due to thread merge.
 
Re: Missle launch?

HellFire said:
Anyone know anything more about this missile launch west of LA this week beside what little is being told on TV?

George Ure speculates that (what if) it came from a Chinese sub as a warning.
 
Bud said:
...off the Southern California coast Monday evening...[and] officials are staying tight-lipped over the nature of the projectile (so not actually explaining anything).

Pentagon and Military officials say they do not know who fired the projectile.

According to Reports, there were no Military activities reported in that region Monday night. A Spokesman for the Navy said, that it was not a Navy Missile.

NORAD, the entity supposedly responsible for the safety of American citizens is also clueless, apparently.
_http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-517084?ref=feeds%2Flatest


Officially, at least, the projectile remains a mystery missile.
_http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/09/national/main7036716.shtml


One wonders, of course, exactly who is in control?


Edit: spelling and clarity

Thank you I wanted to bring this up, too
 
Well, Anthony Watts seems to think it is an stunt plane's contrail with math equations to boot!

_http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/09/mystery-missle-launch-off-california

Mystery “missile launch” off California – solved?
Posted on November 9, 2010 by Anthony Watts


There’s quite a buzz in the blogosphere about this video shot by a KCBS News helicopter. Explanations range from “Moonbeam Gov. Jerry Brown is headed home to visit relatives” to “missile launch kept secret by the Pentagon”.

Whatever it is, I’ve seen nothing like it. The speed doesn’t match a missile, but the trajectory and cloud pattern certainly seems to. Perhaps our readers can help figure this out. One alert reader “slp” posted in comments a link to a likely Occams Razor style explanation.


I’m wondering if this isn’t some stunt plane practicing over the ocean (where the pilot doesn’t have to worry about buildings, power lines, towers, guy wires, FAA airspace permissions, etc.) with a smoke generator turned on? Watch this video from about 15-20 seconds in. That looks like what the “missile” video is. Add some red sunset lighting and you’ve got instant “slow moving missile”.


UPDATE: Thanks to alert reader “slp” who wrote: “Likely a contrail:”

Indeed it looks very much like this jet contrail seen off San Clemente, from Contrail Science Overflow, excerpted below:

Jet contrails from some angles look like missile trails

An interesting contrail cropped up off the coast of San Clemente, Orange County, California on December 31st 2009. The curious shape led some people to think it’s a missile launch, which it does kind of look like (all taken from San Clemente)

“Missile-like” contrail. Note this is the Dec 31st contrail, not the Nov 8th CBS one. That’s at the bottom of the post.



This view is from Corona del Mar, about 20 miles Northeast of San Clemente:

Here’s a similar photo (of a different contrail, obviously) on the same day at the other side of the country: visit site to see videos and photos. :)

Not a missile launch.



Here’s the idea with math:

The idea that it’s a missile launch comes from three misconceptions. Firstly that the trail is vertical – it’s not, it’s a horizontal trail, at around 32,000 feet (about six miles). It’s the same as this:

This contrail is no more vertical than the road is, and nor are the power lines at 45 degrees. Everything is horizontal – it’s the just the angle you are viewing it from. All of these show horizontal contrails.

Secondly there’s the misconception of direction, that it’s flying away from the viewer, when it’s actually flying towards the viewer. This is because the “base” of the contrail seems wider than the tip. Perspective tells the brain that this mean the base is closer. But actually you can see the base has been greatly spread by the wind. Since it’s still so far away the effects of perspective are greatly diminished, meaning the actual width of the contrail is what is creating the illusion. Imagine is a plane with a 100 mile long spreading contrail were coming towards you; what would it look like? It would look exactly like this.

Thirdly there’s the idea that it goes all the way down to the ground. Now that might be true if the Earth was flat, but the Earth is round, and things go beneath the horizon eventually, no matter how high they are. A plane 200 miles away but five miles up is always below the horizon. If the horizon is raised (as it is here, with Catalina Island), then the distance is less. Here’s some math:


This diagram is not to scale, but the math is the same regardless. The solid curved line is the surface of the earth. The dot at the top is San Clemente. The little triangle is Catalina. “d” is the distance to Catalina (d=35 miles). “c” the amount of Catalina that is visible above the horizon (c=0.05 miles, really a bit more, but let’s be conservative). “a” is the altitude of the plane, (a = 6 miles). “r” is the radius of the earth (r=3963 miles).

The green wavy line is the contrail. Notice it’s at a fixed height above the surface of the earth, and is going directly towards the OC.

The point labeled (0,0) is the center of the earth. (0,0) means X=0, Y=0, where X is horizontal and Y is vertical. What we want to know is how far away the plane is, the value x. We do this with cartesian geometry, noting that the lowest visible point of the trail is at the intersection of the dotted line, which is a circle of radius (r+a), hence the equation x^2 + y^2 = (r+a)^2 and the line labeled “sight line”, which is has the equation y=x*c/d. Combining these equations to solve for x yields a quadratic equation, which we can solve with Wolfram Alpha:

intersection of (y=r+x*c/d) and (x^2+y^2 = (r+a)^2)

and with the real numbers:

intersection of (y=r+x*c/d) and (x^2+y^2 = (r+a)^2) where a=6 and d=35 and c=0.05 and r=3963

Which gives x = 212, meaning that the bottom of the contrail is around 200 miles away. So if the front of the contrail (the actual aircraft) is somewhere above and behind catalina, then that means the contrail is over 100 miles long. At 500 mph, that means it could have formed in 12-15 minutes, which seems consistent with the descriptions in the discussion above. (feel free to play around with the numbers there to see the affect of various assumptions)
 
Black Swan said:
Well, Anthony Watts seems to think it is an stunt plane's contrail with math equations to boot!

Anthony Watts is fulla poo. 14 years of Naval weapons operation and four years at White Sands Missile Range tells me that's a missile.

No, it's not vertical. The only missiles that take a vertical trajectory are the little model ones that you build with your kids. Real missiles take a ballistic trajectory downrange.
 
Just moved here a few days ago...I was pretty near the coast that night (maybe 5-6 miles?). I was inside when the sighting occurred (looks to be around 5pm PST). No one has mentioned anything about it and I haven't seen all that much in the local papers I've come across. To be honest I only found out about it through George Ure's site as well. I will mention it around to see if anyone heard or saw anything in person.
 
WhatReallyHappened put up a link to this document, which is published for marine traffic.

No. 45
6 NOVEMBER 2010
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
NOTICE TO MARINERS

Published Weekly by the
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
Prepared Jointly with the
National Ocean Service and U.S. Coast Guard


434/10(18).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
CALIFORNIA.
MISSILES.
1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY
34-02N 119-04W, 33-52N 119-06W, 33-29N 118-37W,
33-20N 118-37W, 32-11N 120-16W, 31-54N 121-35W,
35-09N 123-39W, 35-29N 123-00W, 35-57N 121-32W,
34-04N 119-04W.
2. VESSELS MAY BE REQUESTED TO ALTER COURSE WITHIN THE ABOVE
AREA DUE TO FIRING OPERATIONS AND ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT
PLEAD CONTROL ON 5081.5 MHZ (5080 KHZ) OR 3238.5 KHZ (3237 KHZ)
SECONDARY OR 156.8 MHZ (CH 16) OR 127.55 MHZ BEFORE ENTERING
THE ABOVE BOUNDARIES AND MAINTAIN CONTINUOUS GUARD WHILE
WITHIN THE RANGE.
3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS
WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL'S
SAFETY WHEN PASSING THROUGH THE VICINITY OF THE SEA RANGE
IF THEY WILL TRANSIT VIA THE SANTA BARBARA CHANNEL AND WITHIN
NINE MILES OFFSHORE VICINITY OF POINT MUGU OR CROSS THE AREA
SOUTHWEST OF SAN NICOLAS ISLAND BETWEEN SUNSET AND SUNRISE.

Makes you wonder why all the rumor and confusion has been allowed to run.
 
venusian said:
Makes you wonder why all the rumor and confusion has been allowed to run.

That message is something they kick out every week, it's a blanket warning saying, essentially, "Hey, this is the area we shoot missiles in. This can happen anytime, on any day, and we reserve the right to tell you to change course at any time to get the hell out of the way." As far as the missile itself, it was too big to be a Standard missile...It looked big enough to be a THAAD booster, except it only had one nozzle instead of 4. Something new, definitely...maybe they were in a rush to launch it for some reason, and didn't have a pre-fab story set up.
 
WhiteBear said:
That message is something they kick out every week, it's a blanket warning saying, essentially, "Hey, this is the area we shoot missiles in. This can happen anytime, on any day, and we reserve the right to tell you to change course at any time to get the hell out of the way." As far as the missile itself, it was too big to be a Standard missile...It looked big enough to be a THAAD booster, except it only had one nozzle instead of 4. Something new, definitely...maybe they were in a rush to launch it for some reason, and didn't have a pre-fab story set up.

Thanks for clearing that up. Gotta love a network. Something about this story smells. Last night 'mystery missile california' was the #12 search query on Google, and I have a really hard time thinking the military doesn't know exactly what it was.
 
venusian said:
Thanks for clearing that up. Gotta love a network. Something about this story smells. Last night 'mystery missile california' was the #12 search query on Google, and I have a really hard time thinking the military doesn't know exactly what it was.

I agree. That launch would have been detected immediately by DMSP sats (or their replacements) at geosync. If that was truly an "unknown" launch, the detection/track would have produced quite the flurry of activity in the system.
 
[quote author=http://www.sott.net/articles/show/217651-Pentagon-Says-Mystery-Missile-Was-a-Plane-and-considers-case-closed]
Pentagon Says 'Mystery Missile' Was a Plane, and considers case closed[/quote]


[quote author=http://www.sott.net/articles/show/217659-No-explanation-for-apparent-missile-firing-near-Los-Angeles]
The non-explanation, combined with the virtual silence of the national media for most of Tuesday, suggests that the incident is far more serious than its treatment by both the government and the media would suggest.[/quote]


Well, in light of this:

[quote author=http://www.sott.net/articles/show/217678-Chinese-sub-pops-up-in-middle-of-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced]
Flashback: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced[/quote]

American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.
...
One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.
...
He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.

"It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."

In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.

It would seem that maybe China and Mr. Fish are trying to convey a deeper, simpler truth:


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...and something a 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine might represent?
 
Yep, the China theory is getting a lot of play today. Intel Hub is running two articles on this, one by Wayne Madsen and the other by Shepard Ambellas and Alex Thomas.

_www.theintelhub.com/2010/11/11/missile-expert-raided-in-late-october-connected-to-california-launch

In this article there is a link to a Fox News interview with US fighter pilot, Tom McInerney who states it is clearly a missile launch.
 
I had just recently read (most of) the article Sott ran regarding the Daniel Estulin's interview with Dimitri Khalezov titled: Arms Trafficking and Stolen Missiles,...http://www.sott.net/articles/show/217477-Is-this-really-what-happened-Arms-Trafficking-Stolen-Missiles-Soviet-Submarines-Nuclear-Detonations-and-9-11-Interview-with-Dimitri-Khalezov-in-Bangkok

....maybe there isn't a connection here, but thought it was curious that an unidentified launched object no one has claimed, occurred shortly after this disclosing interview regarding stolen missiles. I mean, according to Khalezov, a GRANIT missile penetrated the Pentagon!
... remember, Putin emphatically assured that missiles weren't stolen from a sunken Russian sub.
Khalezov says:
But when it comes to the Russians, they can not admit the truth - that the "Granit" missile with its thermo-nuclear warhead was stolen from the sunken "Kursk" submarine, because Putin back in 2000 solemnly declared to the world that there were no nuclear weapons on board of the sunken submarine.

So...who's going to admit to anything about a unidentified missile over the Pacific? ( that is, if indeed it was a missile)
Maybe there's a case of maintaining "deniable plausibility" :whistle: or, maybe more appropriately, the policy of "don't ask, don't tell" :umm:.
 
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