Was "Gallic wars" a text similar to the Odyssey - so, describing the Younger Dryas cataclysms?

[palestine]

Hello,

I've been trying to learn more about the Odyssey; it's a process I joined mid-stream. The forum had already uncovered a lot of information—and I hope you'll forgive my frequent posts in the "Troy" thread.

I'm creating a new thread here so I don't have to post in the other one anymore, and also to discuss a more general topic.

Thanks to the C's sessions, we've learned that the Odyssey, like some Indian texts, describes cataclysms—so these accounts need to be transposed.

Ultimately, the underlying story is the destruction of the Atlantis civilization, which occurred in three rows, at intervals of tens of thousands of years.

Indian texts speak of ancient destructions, and also of the last episode, while the Odyssey only recounts the last episode—what we know as the "Younger Dryas," a series of cataclysms that occurred around 10850 BC ("-10850" or "12800 BP").

During my research, I came across the following map:

It comes from the book "The cycle of cosmic catastrophes" by Richard Firestone. He describes the landing of comets from the Younger Dryas around the world. He explains that a large comet broke into several pieces, resulting in approximately five impacts (see the above picture - five main big impacts).

This is representative of the last row of the destruction of Atlantis.

Then, he presents an even more localized map:

I didn't quite understand if these were even smaller fragments, but that's what I assume. So, we would have here a map showing the distribution of comet impacts in Europe. The Scandinavian impact ("five big impacts") is located a bit off this map; this map shows a big one North of Germany (more or less).

While leafing through my copy of Caesar's Gallic Wars, I came across a map: the final battle in the Gallic Wars is Alesia, against the big boss—Vercingetorix



Here are various maps of the fortified city (Alesia) that Caesar besieged and then captured:

That's the very end of the book, "the big one".

When I read about the session of Caesar, I can't help but wonder why and how Caesar produced such a descriptive book about war machines. I mean, the entire book is a military treatise, recounting the advances and retreats of troops, with descriptions of military situations. The book is a long succession of this—and for a Christian, this can be surprising. If Christ/Caesar would leave us a trace about something, he surely wouldn't provide us with such a text!

So I noticed a similarity between R. Firestone's map and the final battle of the Gallic Wars (circle/impact and various external streams):

In addition, here are two maps showing various Gallic wars:

Comparison:

And then I thought: would Caesar recount episodes of comets, just like Homer, and the Indians ("Vedas", "Mahabharata", "Ramayana")? It would make sense, after all. Why would Christ bother to describe "the positioning of his troops", as well as "the sharpness of the barricades", throughout his book?

The hypothesis is that he is recounting cataclysmic events.

I looked in the Odyssey to see if there was any mention of "stones thrown at people." It's taking time, and I'm still at the beginning. I've gotten as far as the part where Odysseus goes to the land of the dead (Persephone). So far, I've found three instances of "stones":

HOMER - "The Odyssey"
the odyssey of homer : george herbert palmer, n.c wyeth : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

"...tearing off the top of a high hill, he flung it at us. It fell before the dark-bowed ship a little space, but failed to reach the rudder's tip. The sea surged underneath the stone as it came down, and swiftly toward the land the wash of water swept us, like a flood-tide from the deep, and forced us back to shore"

"...once more picking up a stone much larger than before, the Cyclops swung and sent it, putting forth stupendous power. It fell behind the dark-bowed ship a little space, but failed to reach the rudder's tip. The sea surged underneath the stone as it came down, but the wave swept us forward and forced us to the shore"

the mighty Laestrygonians gathered from here and there, seeming not men but giants. Then from the rocks they hurled down ponderous stones; and soon among the ships arose a dreadful din of dying men and crashing ships

The first two quotes are when Odysseus visits the Cyclops' island (point 4 on the following map - "At the cyclop Polyphemus"), and the second occurrence is a little later, when he finds himself among cannibals (point 6 - "At the cannibal giants"):

I had a look in the Gallic wars, to see if there were descriptions of stone throwings. I found five.

Caesar's Commentaries on the Gallic war : literally translated, with explanatory notes - Liceu Phelipense : Liceu Phelipense : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

BOOK 1.
Chap. XLVI

While these things are being transacted in the conference, it was announced to Cesar that the cavalry of Ariovistus were approaching nearer the mound, and were riding up to our men, and casting stones and weapons at them.

It's near Vesontio / Besançon (France)


BOOK 2.
Chap. VI

There was a town of the Remi, by name Bibrax,* eight miles distant from this camp. This the Belge on their march began to attack with great vigour. [The assault} was with difficulty sustained for that day. The Gauls’ mode of besieging is the same as that of the Belge: when after laving drawn a large number of men around the whole of the fortifications, stones have begun to be cast against the wall on all sides, and the wall has been stript of its defenders, [then |, forming a testudo, they advance to the gates and undermine the wall: which was easily effected on this occasion; for while so large a number were casting stones and darts, no one; was able to maintain his position upon the wall.

* Bibrax, Bièvre, a town of the Remi, on the Aisne, must net be confounded with Bibracte, one of the largest and richest towns of the Aedui.

So, Bibrax. Bibracte is another city, near Alesia. Bibrax is Northeast of Paris. I will show both on a map, right after.

BOOK 3
Chap. IV

A short time only having elapsed, so that time was scarcely given for arranging and executing those things which they had determined on, the enemy, upon the signal being given, rushed down [upon our men] from all parts, and discharged stones and darts upon our rampart. Our men at first, while their strength was fresh, resisted bravely, nor did they cast any weapon ineffectually from their higher station.

<> Octodure / Martigny (Switzerland)


BOOK 7
Chap. XXII

To the extraordinary valour of our soldiers, devices of every sort were opposed by the Gauls; since they are a nation of consummate ingenuity, and most skilful in imitating and making those things which are imparted by any one; for they turned aside the hooks* with nooses, and when they had caught hold of them firmly, drew them on by means of engines, and undermined the mound the more skilfully on this account, because there are in their territories extensive iron mines, and consequently every description of mining operations is known and practised by them. They had furnished, moreover, the whole wall on every side with turrets, and had covered them with skins. Besides, in their frequent sallies by day and night, they attempted either to set fire to the mound, or attack our soldiers when engaged in the works; and, moreover, by splicing the upright, timbers of their own towers, they equalled the height of ours, as fast as the mound had daily raised them, and countermined our mines, and impeded the working of them by stakes bent and sharpened at the ends, and boiling pitch, and stones of very great weight, and prevented them from approaching the walls.

<> Avaricum / Bourges ? (Not sure but I think this is it)

BOOK 7
Chap. LXXXI

The Gauls, after the interval of a day, and after making, during that time, an immense number of hurdles, scaling ladders, and iron hooks, silently went forth from the camp at midnight and approached tke fortifications in the plain. Raising a shout suddenly, that by this intimation those who were besieged in the town might learn their arrival, they began to cast down hurdles and dislodge our men from the rampart by slings, arrows, and stones, and executed the other movements which are requisite in storming. At the same time, Vercingetorix, having heard the shout, gives the signal to his troops by a trumpet, and leads them forth from the town. Our troops, as each man’s post had been assigned him some days before, man the fortifications ; they intimidate the Gauls by slings, large stones, stakes which they had placed along the works, and bullets.

The last one is at Alesia, the final battle.

This produces the following map:

From left to right:

• Bourges
• Bibrax
• Bibracte
• Alesia
• Besançon
• Martigny

We'll consider the above green dot (Bibrax), but I leave the second one (Bibracte) on the map.

Now let's have a look at the following map:

It is an illustration of Odysseus' travels.

Let's crop here:

Let's see if we can make it fit:

Four matching dots - that's quite interesting. And I did not arrange myself so as to absolutely produce this. Just put in on, adjusting the width. So, no trichery here!

The above picture is this (one mirror flip, then some rotation):

To show the reader what this is, here is another illustration:

So I just grabbed the locations from the Odyssey (Italy map), and tried to see if there was a match with Caesar (map of France).

dots on the Odyssey map	Odyssey' locations	Caesar locations
dot n°6 (above, it's on the right)	Cannibal giants	Martigny episode (book 3, chap. 4)
dot n°7	Circe the magician	Vesontio / Besançon (book 1 chap 46)
dot n°8	Sirens	Alesia (book 7 chapter 81)
dot n°9 (above, it's the left dot)	Carybde & Scylla	Avaricum / Bourges (book 7, chapter 22)

So, no cyclops (dot n°4).

I was happy to find the narrative of the Odyssey, with stones. I was telling myself: "if Caesar is a match, the cyclop will be a match". No luck on that one, it's the giants, Circe, the Sirens and another episode. Nevertheless, episodes of stones are still the glue here.

I did not make it that far, to the Sirens, and to Carybde & Scylla. I don't know if there are "stones". At Circe, I found nothing.

1. My initial approach was based on the idea that ancient texts could describe something other than what they initially appear to say.
2. From there, I thought, "Why not Caesar?"
3. I grabbed my "Gallic wars" book, went at the end and stared at the illustrations. I noticed that the map of Alesia was similar to the R. Firestone illustration of European cometary impacts.
4. And then, I noticed how basic and military "Gallic wars" was.

After this, it was a matter of crossing the references, keeping in mind the hypothesis that both authors (Homer, Sallust/Caesar) would be describing the same history.

That's the procedure I followed.

And, really, when I layered the dots of the Odyssey, to my amazement, it was matching the locations of Caesar.

Objectivity could be lost during the process - I fully accept it. I am sorry if this is the case. I don't want to "bet" on anything, here. It's just what I found out. If there is nothing, that's fine for me. I just wanted to keep track of this, because I am really not sure that there is nothing.

I hope I won't be put on a diet of baked noodles!