What about launching a STO fashion ?

[Ellipse]

I put it their because this is on my mind and I need to know what you think about the idea.

Simply, I think a lot of people would be more STO if they only have concrete consciousness of the STO/STS duality. Putting the word STO on a behavior change all, you act with more consciousness, but to do that, you must first find the information about what is STO.

If we join our forces we can certainly create a buzz, a sort of communication campaign, and so a movement. Is it realistic ?

 

[Psalehesost]

I don't think so - most wouldn't be able to grasp the distinction and definitions, I think. The result would likely be a confusion of people thinking they are STO while they are not.

 

[Gimpy]

I put it their because this is on my mind and I need to know what you think about the idea.

Simply, I think a lot of people would be more STO if they only have concrete consciousness of the STO/STS duality. Putting the word STO on a behavior change all, you act with more consciousness, but to do that, you must first find the information about what is STO.

If we join our forces we can certainly create a buzz, a sort of communication campaign, and so a movement. Is it realistic ?

I think that's just something that happens naturally. STO is about who you are and what you see, no dress required. :D The idea reminds me, though, of Native American peoples who, when at gatherings, would paint their faces and dress according to achievements made.

Kind of tough to practice Strategic Enclosure that way. (Though I can get a bit paranoid about that)

 

[seek10]

I put it their because this is on my mind and I need to know what you think about the idea.

Simply, I think a lot of people would be more STO if they only have concrete consciousness of the STO/STS duality. Putting the word STO on a behavior change all, you act with more consciousness, but to do that, you must first find the information about what is STO.

If we join our forces we can certainly create a buzz, a sort of communication campaign, and so a movement. Is it realistic ?

I think that's just something that happens naturally. STO is about who you are and what you see, no dress required. :D

I think this is very good point. fashion sounds to me like constriction of natural expression. probably 4D STO still have some fashions until all the illusions are conquered,

 

[Ellipse]

Do not be too much stop by the word "fashion" I used. Yes, trying to be STO is not as wearing a cloth for a party, this is a profound state of mind.

What I'm thinking, is about using today mass communication tools, mainly Internet, to present the STO concept to a large amount of people, to build a bridge for people.

 

[Mona]

Do not be too much stop by the word "fashion" I used. Yes, trying to be STO is not as wearing a cloth for a party, this is a profound state of mind.

What I'm thinking, is about using today mass communication tools, mainly Internet, to present the STO concept to a large amount of people, to build a bridge for people.

But isnt' this forum doing exactly that? I think that this forum is presenting STO concept to quite a few people on the net. The facebook gives this forum a lot of exposure as well.

 

[Be Like Water]

Remember the TV show Caprica, and their use of this acronym?

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=15858.0


I am all for putting good concepts on clothing (I made a t-shirt with a man smashing a TV with the words "positive maladjustment" below :D), but I think the concept of "fashion" implies identification with the form more than the content.

 

[Ellipse]

But isnt' this forum doing exactly that? I think that this forum is presenting STO concept to quite a few people on the net. The facebook gives this forum a lot of exposure as well.

Yes but why do we not enlarge the channel ? The forum is the forum and facebook is facebook, this is a good start but this is only two tools among a lot we can use.

I mean, we are on this 3D earth plane and one of the only advantage is to be able to interact, with carefulness, with it. This is what Laura have done with writing books, opening the forum, opening a blog, doing videos, opening an account on Facebook and certainly other thinks I forget. Among us their's certainly writers, communication experts, marketing experts and a lot of other talent. If we join our forces we can certainly do great things and the need of the diffusion of the STO idea had struck me. The idea is not to violate others free will but to explain and diffuse the, perhaps, most beautiful concept ever.

but I think the concept of "fashion" implies identification with the form more than the content.

Yes, what I wanted to say with the word "fashion" is something people can easily identify with. Really, the main idea is to give a chance to people to put a word on what they already are or what they tend to naturally be (STO) but without having the full consciousness of it. And, in my mind, this acronym, STO, is a very powerful word witch worth to be spread.

 

[nwigal]

I put it their because this is on my mind and I need to know what you think about the idea.

Simply, I think a lot of people would be more STO if they only have concrete consciousness of the STO/STS duality. Putting the word STO on a behavior change all, you act with more consciousness, but to do that, you must first find the information about what is STO.

If we join our forces we can certainly create a buzz, a sort of communication campaign, and so a movement. Is it realistic ?

I think that's just something that happens naturally. STO is about who you are and what you see, no dress required. :D The idea reminds me, though, of Native American peoples who, when at gatherings, would paint their faces and dress according to achievements made.

Kind of tough to practice Strategic Enclosure that way. (Though I can get a bit paranoid about that)

We painted and dressed, but we also exposed all the scars, mistakes, and humiliating failures that come with the lessons learned. To not be naked and alive underneath is to not be prepared to fight the real war, OSIT. Maybe that is why the real gatherings are entered into with fasting, prayer, and meditation, both active and passive. All it takes is for one person to be a weak link, harboring secret vectors, to create a conduit for really bad things to happen. I was such a person, and nearly died from the attacks, hopefully lessons learned...

 

[ocean59]

I put it their because this is on my mind and I need to know what you think about the idea.

Simply, I think a lot of people would be more STO if they only have concrete consciousness of the STO/STS duality. Putting the word STO on a behavior change all, you act with more consciousness, but to do that, you must first find the information about what is STO.

If we join our forces we can certainly create a buzz, a sort of communication campaign, and so a movement. Is it realistic ?

My thinking is that the purpose of these sites is not to convince and persuade others into becoming STO, but rather to nurture and educate those who are asking and actively seeking such a way. I have long already considered the network we have here to already be a great 'movement.'

But isnt' this forum doing exactly that? I think that this forum is presenting STO concept to quite a few people on the net. The facebook gives this forum a lot of exposure as well.

Yes but why do we not enlarge the channel ? The forum is the forum and facebook is facebook, this is a good start but this is only two tools among a lot we can use.

As far as I can see, the channel is expanding and increasing in size and method of distribution every day. This can be evidenced by the recent takeover of the Dot Connector magazine, and the new members that visit and join the various sites daily.

I believe we already have an STO fashion - it is the collective works, behaviors, attitudes, products, services, and work being done very openly and publicly by every contributing member here, each and every day for all to see.

Of course, there is nothing stopping an individual from expressing this fashion in their own unique way in life, preferably with external consideration and strategic enclosure in mind of course. There is the SOTT.net T-shirt in the store, and folks like Mechanimated making their own T-shirts, something anyone can do.

[quote author=Mechanimated]but I think the concept of "fashion" implies identification with the form more than the content.

Yes, what I wanted to say with the word "fashion" is something people can easily identify with. Really, the main idea is to give a chance to people to put a word on what they already are or what they tend to naturally be (STO) but without having the full consciousness of it. And, in my mind, this acronym, STO, is a very powerful word witch worth to be spread.
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Indeed fashion is something people can easily identify with. I think the issue is more "Do we really want people to walk around spouting off concepts, possibly quite inaccurately and without the requisite foundational knowledge, when they may only be interested in it due to a 'fashion' or 'fad,' as opposed to sincere interest and study?"

 

[Gimpy]

We painted and dressed, but we also exposed all the scars, mistakes, and humiliating failures that come with the lessons learned. To not be naked and alive underneath is to not be prepared to fight the real war, OSIT. Maybe that is why the real gatherings are entered into with fasting, prayer, and meditation, both active and passive. All it takes is for one person to be a weak link, harboring secret vectors, to create a conduit for really bad things to happen. I was such a person, and nearly died from the attacks, hopefully lessons learned...

Yep. :) I had to stop too, because circumstances in my life changed me. Rather than risk harm to others and myself out of stubbornness, I left. A hard choice, but I don't regret making it.


For Jason(ocean59): Well said! Sums up what I was thinking better than I can type out. Thanks!

 

[agni]

Hello Everyone !

Jason(ocean59), very well put indeed !

Another thing to consider is that we do not know what STO state of mind is :) We are STS.

Yes, we can walk towards direction of what we perceive as STO, but we won't know until we get there.

I will say even further, I see dangers in assuming what STO are and promoting these assumptions, because it is possible & very probable for people to end up in the same traps/fashion New agers/Indigos/Wanderers/Enlightened "ones" offer.

How about step by step attempt to help people rediscover feelings that are reachable and knowable within, such empathy and sincerity as an alternative way of being in this pathological STS word ? As well as encouragement of discovery of other ways of existence different from pathological, so people can get there on their own if it is within them & it is what they want to do.

And I think there is no better way, then to introduce/lead people through own example. Help yourself and you will help millions :)

I think many feel somewhat embarrassed or insecure about practicing empathy and sincerity and it is completely understandable, because without knowledge of the pathological environment the qualities would be vulnerable to pathological exploitation. Having this knowledge of pathological environment is of great importance as it offers protection and I think SOTT is doing a great job conveying that to masses. We can help SOTT however. It's like adding power to transmitter, that would broadcast message further and further with increased strength of signal :)

Given all that, who knows, may be people will start coming out of their non pathological closets so to speak :)

 

[mada85]

I think the issue is more "Do we really want people to walk around spouting off concepts, possibly quite inaccurately and without the requisite foundational knowledge, when they may only be interested in it due to a 'fashion' or 'fad,' as opposed to sincere interest and study?"

As I read through the thread, a similar thought was forming in my mind. Well said, Jason :)

I think that working towards being an STO candidate is the complete opposite of 'fashion', as fashion is only concerned with externals – dress, trying to be 'sexy', getting as much attention for oneself as possible – in short, 'fashion' is STS. The Work and STO candidacy are not things one can wear like a new suit of clothes. And while it is true that in this STS world we need to utilise the structures of this world as protection, I don't think that fashion is one of those structures, for the reasons Jason discusses above.

Really, the main idea is to give a chance to people to put a word on what they already are or what they tend to naturally be (STO) but without having the full consciousness of it. And, in my mind, this acronym, STO, is a very powerful word witch worth to be spread.

I understand your point here, Ellipse. But can you imagine psychopaths and other pathological types wearing t-shirts saying 'empathy', or 'compassion'? Or even 'STO'?

 

[Ellipse]

I agree, the fashion concept can't apply. With no understanding of what STO implicate it's even dangerous in an STS world.

I have to medidate all this and I will be back to discuss other ideas.