What happens if you fail in the work?

[slowone]

In trying to look at my programmes running at the moment. One of the things that crops up is my extremely negative introject.

One of the things as for many people here is that it seems to like to beat me up about my failure to do the work. looking in the swamp I realise that this is common for very many of us and I fully intend to keep working at understanding myself more.

But in the middle of this I realised that I truly don't understand what happens if you do fail at the work.

Do you go to the 5th density when you die and look back over why you failed and then try and learn from those experiences? Or do you go back into the whole cycle from the beginning? either as if you never began the work or right back to 1st density. Is failure "punished" in a sense or is it part of a natural cycle which is for some just part and parcel of the struggle and yet more opportunity to learn.

My use of the term "punished" is confused even as I write it , I think that has to do with how prominant my negative introject is at the moment but I would like a basic understanding. I suppose what I'm trying to do is unravel my fear or confront it by applying more knowledge and allowing more growth.

I did look for a thread on the forum but maybe I missed it.



edit: spelling

 

[Gonzo]

I think if one remains in 3-D, they will quite possibly be reincarnating into a new cave man era, since the majority of civilization and all of it's trappings might have been destroyed by cometary bombardment, nuclear war, earthquakes, volcanoes, and other cataclysms.

Another scenario that I recall being mentioned (September 2009 session - http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13716.0) had to do with soul smashing, where 4-D STS plan to smash souls back to primal matter. So, instead of reincarnating in the normal progression, one might reincarnate as 1-D mineral or worse.

That's all I can remember off the top of my head, but I think you should give credit for intention and effort as well, as these also speak to seeking knowledge, which builds awareness.

I don't think it's a good idea to focus on these possible outcomes, however, as it is all about the journey and not the destination. That is, unless you need the fear of a negative outcome to motivate you, in which case, you might want to consider why the task of returning to godhead isn't appealing enough.

Hope that helps in some way.

Gonzo

 

[Aiming]

I think if one remains in 3-D, they will quite possibly be reincarnating into a new cave man era, since the majority of civilization and all of it's trappings might have been destroyed by cometary bombardment, nuclear war, earthquakes, volcanoes, and other cataclysms.

I must say I find it pretty illogical and unfair: if a person has been making sincere efforts at getting to know her/himself and has been aquiring knowledge, there must have been progress, even if only a little portion of the way in comparison to the whole of the Work has been treaded upon - there was effort and work, so it doesn't make much sense (to me anyway) for such a consciousness unit to reincarnate with cave men; even though the C's said that. Maybe, and this is only speculating, this person would not reincarante immediately, but only after a certain amount of time in (the 'new' cycle of) human history has passed, so that the person can continue learning where he/she left off the last time. Then this person would be where he/she fits.
At least this scenario appears more logical to me.

 

[luke wilson]

IMHO, I dont think if you fail in the work necessarily means you get demoted density levels or you dont go up a density level. From what I understand, what is the most important thing is learning the lessons that you are meant to learn in this life. If it was down to failing in the work,then I think the vast majority of humanity will be staying right here on 3-D as the vast majority have never heard let alone attempted to practise the work. I think the work more than anything, attempts to help one, learn how to control there emotions so that there emotions can assist them here in 3 D rather than hinder them. In one of the Cs transcripts this is what was said with regard to this.

Q: Yes.
A: Okay, now picture yourself in a forest clearing. In that clearing you are surrounded by a pack of wolves. These wolves, in your mind, represent a blockage. The blockage is emotion. Emotion is a necessary component of life in 3rd density. It can be of great assistance, and it can also be a hindrance. Normally, in critical situations clost to the 3rd density individuals existence, these emotions serve temporarily as hindrances. So, we ask you to picture these wolves surrounding you. And, as wolves will do when addressed in a calm voice, when one takes a deep breath internally and externally, and asks the wolves in a calming, reassuring voice, to simply go back into the forest, that all is well, then the wolves turn and retreat, as wolves will do. This removes the hindering aspect of emotion, which allows intuition to become stronger. Then, in turn, one’s intuitions are not “torn.” Do you see this effect.

....

Q: Get rid of emotion and use intuition.
A: The emotions can not be gotten rid of. Emotions must be controlled. We spoke of the circling of wolves in the forest clearing. Wolves are part of nature. One must not want to be rid of wolves, only to interact with them in a positive manner. That is why we told you to ask the wolves to return to the forest, as there is no reason to encircle you. Emotion is necessary for 3rd density existence. It can be an assistance, or it can be a hindrance. Allow it to be an assistant, and you can accomplish a great deal. Allow it to be a hindrance, and you will not see what is there to be seen.

In also one of the transcripts, I cant remember which, the Cs said that one of the illusions that led man to be entrapped in 3d STS illusion is the eating of the apple from the tree of life/knowledge which is metaphorical for us believing there is only one source of knowledge or salvation. That is not the case as far as I understand! So I would say it is more important to not think only one thing or one way offers the path so that you think if you fail in understanding or utilizing that one way then you are doomed to damnation. The work more than anything is a guide manual that can help us in this world but as they say, there are many ways to kill a rat, so I dont think the universe is busy judging every entity on 3D here on this planet and others on how nicely they know this one particular guide book! Ultimately it comes down to learning ones lessons but to do that you need to know to make your emotions assist rather than hinder you as you make your way through the world and various experiences and emotions are backed up by gaining knowledge and awareness which offer the protection.


EDIT: I dont think it's helpful interms of looking at it in terms of punishment or reward: I dont think that is what 5D is about. More like, did you learn your lessons or not and if you didnt what kind of incarnation or life experiences do you need to learn these lessons?

 

[Meager1]

Or possibly, one is simply not a part of this particular soul group, or archetype.
Not everyone is going to be Laura in the future...

If it doesn`t feel comfortable or like the right fit, then it probably isn`t.



There are many paths to the same place and many people coming onto and leaving paths all the time.
You shouldn`t be afraid or feel that your being left behind.



All you can do, is the best you can do, and you`ll be exactly where your suppose to be.

 

[Tigersoap]

But in the middle of this I realised that I truly don't understand what happens if you do fail at the work.

That got me pondering for a while as well.
I came to the point where I think that, what do we really fail ?
Sure they are things I wish I would have done better or not done at all but it all made me grow somehow.
Sometimes it takes time to truly learn something and our own self-importance is usually there to make it harder.

For me it is linked to the fear of disappointing a parent image, which should not have anymore strength on me, now.

I don't think the Universe judge anyone of us for being who we are.

It's hard to come to terms with that idea that I won't go in 4D, I will just die and go to 5D, or come back to 3D but what matters is what you do now, what you learn now.
It's hard to accept who you are, right now, with the shiny parts and the less shiny ones but it's part of the work ;)

 

[sgspencer]

I think the concept of failing is not the best way to think of it. Unless of course as has been said before that it is a necessary concept to motivate you.

But my concept is that what you do, is what you do. You never fail, and you can't actually fail. Cause every path leads to the same place, only some paths go back to the beginning of 3d, some go to 4d, and who knows where others go...

It's also been said that both dark and light are viable paths...and even doing nothing is... so the best is to just work with what choose to work with and let go of the concept of failing. You will succeed at whatever it is you put effort towards.

 

[Oxajil]

Hi slowone,

I have found your post a little unclear.

looking in the swamp I realise that this is common for very many of us and I fully intend to keep working at understanding myself more.

But in the middle of this I realised that I truly don't understand what happens if you do fail at the work.

I am not sure what you mean with ''fail at the work''. According to you, how can someone fail at the work?

 

[RedFox]

In trying to look at my programmes running at the moment. One of the things that crops up is my extremely negative introject.

On of the things as for many people here that it seems to like to beat me up about is my failure to do the work. looking in the swamp I realise that this is common for very many of us and I fully intend to keep working at understanding myself more.

But in the middle of this I realised that I truly don't understand what happens if you do fail at the work.

Hi slowone.
I think other are right when they say you cannot fail at the work, like the E-E program I think its effects are accumulative.
This brings up something interesting then about what you have posted in the quote above.......that is, fear or failure/fear of facing failure/fear of 'being' a failure (what the heck is it to 'be' a failure anyway? can you even define that??)...or perhaps fear of being 'labelled' (externally?) a failure are what your negative introject is poking at to get a response.

So why not flip this on its head and imagine all of the above?? What is the worst it could 'be' like?? Does it bring back any memories of past experiences?? How would you deal with it?? Would you listen to the predators voice and sink into self pity (that you 'failed'?) or deal with the situation at hand despite it??

Make a list of all of the things that you fear, then resolve to act in the face of those fears. Imagine the very worst thing that could happen if you were to act in a certain direction, then see yourself being able to cope with that situation. Start doing the small things that you are afraid of, then work your way up to bigger things.

Maybe then it is worth considering.....is this really your fear?? or is this the big internal bullies fear of being exposed as the weakling he is and deposed, and the lie he convinced you of is it is really YOU who is afraid (to go into that fear)??
Questioning these beliefs is what its all about.....and when they can be seen through (most self beliefs turn out to be distorted or down right lies that you have bought into)...the absurdity of it seen, you can move past it. osit

If all there is are lessons....then what in the heck is 'failure'?? See if you can define what it is to 'fail'. Take the controls away from your negative introject by defining things yourself, not letting 'it' define things.....not that it has, its just using fear to keep you from realising it hasn't...and loosing its power over you.
This is my understanding fwiw

 

[agni]

Hi slowone !


Have you ever asked yourself what "failure" is or what the word means ? Try to define it.

To me, failure seems like it is a dish made out of diced time illusion, flavored with wishful thinking, and like you mention cooked by well known chef - Mr. Negative Introject :)

Do you go to the 5th density when you die and look back over why you failed and then try and learn from those experiences? Or do you go back into the whole cycle from the beginning? either as if you never began the work or right back to 1st density. Is failure "punished" in a sense or is it part of a natural cycle which is for some just part and parcel of the struggle and yet more opportunity to learn.

All *D's correspond to levels of awareness, it's neither a reward or a punishment. It just is.

 

[slowone]

Hi slowone,

I have found your post a little unclear.

looking in the swamp I realise that this is common for very many of us and I fully intend to keep working at understanding myself more.

But in the middle of this I realised that I truly don't understand what happens if you do fail at the work.

I am not sure what you mean with ''fail at the work''. According to you, how can someone fail at the work?

Hi Oxajil, I was thinking that perhaps if you came up against a programme that you couldn't change or something like that. Or a sacred cow you couldn't let go of. Or perhaps you couldn't seem to get past a particular stage of your development in the work despite all of the mirrors and/or advice given to you to help you see the reality of your situation. Not showing progress.

I hope that makes me a little clearer. I think as I said I am unclear on the concept myself a little and that has maybe made my post vague. I hope posting and reading the replies brings me greater clarity especially as I know this post comes from an "I" of fear it is hard for me to unravel alone.

 

[Oxajil]

Hi Oxajil, I was thinking that perhaps if you came up against a programme that you couldn't change or something like that. Or a sacred cow you couldn't let go of.

Well, the Work is a process that is lifelong (mostly). So I'm sure there are some programs unsolved, or sacred cows present, when you leave to 5th density (or 4th even). To deal with them all might be unnatural for many. Could be wrong though.. I think the key is to get as far as you can, rather than cleaning every inch of dirt on your whole machine. That would be great of course, but it is better to focus on something that is realistically within your reach and maybe then move further?

Or perhaps you couldn't seem to get past a particular stage of your development in the work despite all of the mirrors and/or advice given to you to help you see the reality of your situation. Not showing progress.

That's a little different maybe, that's a sign one is stuck at some point. It's a difficult thing to think about, because everyone has their own lessons. There are many roads, and many ''choices'' are made. And choices do have consequences... as the C's have said:

Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep
are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some
people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out.
For those individuals, the worlds will cease. They will become exactly what
they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the "past." People who
pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the
"Future."

You can use this as an inspiration to, for example, put more effort in the Work, but you shouldn't let it be used against you and make you feel afraid. Do you have faith in yourself and your capabilities?

I hope that makes me a little clearer. I think as I said I am unclear on the concept myself a little and that has maybe made my post vague. I hope posting and reading the replies brings me greater clarity especially as I know this post comes from an "I" of fear it is hard for me to unravel alone.

Thank you for clarifying slowone. I'm just wondering, have you read the Wave?

 

[sgspencer]

Hi Oxajil, I was thinking that perhaps if you came up against a programme that you couldn't change or something like that. Or a sacred cow you couldn't let go of. Or perhaps you couldn't seem to get past a particular stage of your development in the work despite all of the mirrors and/or advice given to you to help you see the reality of your situation. Not showing progress.

I hope that makes me a little clearer. I think as I said I am unclear on the concept myself a little and that has maybe made my post vague. I hope posting and reading the replies brings me greater clarity especially as I know this post comes from an "I" of fear it is hard for me to unravel alone.

From reading this I get the feeling that you believe there is, or are projecting that there is or should be one particular path that needs to be followed to succeed. I would consider this concept an illusion. And maybe that's why it is so vague a concept in your mind, because there is no one path that is perfect for everyone, although that is a very popular concept in most religions. It's not only popular in religion though, it also works with cultures (such as the 'American Dream'), so you could say that you are bombarded from birth with the concept that there are paths that need to be followed for your best benefit...but the reality is that there is no path that needs to be followed because all paths go to the same place. But that concept doesn't work well for most authoritarian figures, nor does it work well for people who make money by setting up shops on the well traveled roadside.

So when you say you are afraid of not being able to give up a sacred cow, it is a concept that is based in the well traveled roadside, you are allowing a well placed fear of walking off the path to distract you from being comfortable with whatever choice you do make.

Let's flip it around, what if you do have a sacred cow that you can't give up...what happens? Well what I believe happens is that universe throws up mirrors and challenges to get you to recognize that cow and then you get to choose whether you want to continue with it or not. And if you choose to keep the cow? You will simply continue to get that cow until you choose not to get it. At which point you will continue on. But there was never a concept of failure or even success here, just choice.

Now that's not to take away from the concept that some people move along their path faster then others and that there are benefits to being on one path compared to another. But the bottomline is that whatever choice you make whenever is the right one, and when its not...its not.

I don't know if this response lead anywhere...but I hope maybe it helped you crystallize your thoughts a little, it helped me crystallize my thoughts. :)

 

[altamash]

While 'failing' will seems like having to restart again. You still have a choice. Im my case i will choose to stay in 5d and finish up there or will incarnate in some high tech planet. I have even considered the possibility that in the near future, one day i will go to sleep and not wake up and continue in the astral or dreamworld whatever it is. It seems more like 4d to me.

Dont forget you always have free will and you can always override your higher self's decision let no one tell you otherwise. The universe owes you this, this is what you are made of and is your greatest asset. Freedom to choose.

So dont worry of what if's just be, enjoy your life, try to be good. This is not a race. Everyone will reach their 'destination' some faster, some slower. I like to take it slow and enjoy.

 

[3DStudent]

Hi Oxajil, I was thinking that perhaps if you came up against a programme that you couldn't change or something like that. Or a sacred cow you couldn't let go of. Or perhaps you couldn't seem to get past a particular stage of your development in the work despite all of the mirrors and/or advice given to you to help you see the reality of your situation. Not showing progress.

When I read this something came to mind about the work. I remember it being said that results are not what we are looking for, that it is simply efforts that make the difference. I didn't know what you meant by fail at first, but I did after reading your reply.

Personally I would say that I "fail", perhaps "mess up" or "make a mistake" are better terms. I think it is just that we take different amounts of time on a lesson and just have to keep falling on our behinds until we finally remain standing. Sometimes it feels like a roller coaster, but I think there is bound to be a "time" where the ride comes to a steady level.

While 'failing' will seems like having to restart again. You still have a choice. Im my case i will choose to stay in 5d and finish up there or will incarnate in some high tech planet. I have even considered the possibility that in the near future, one day i will go to sleep and not wake up and continue in the astral or dreamworld whatever it is. It seems more like 4d to me.

How do you know that when you get to 5D you will still want or need to be in a high tech planet? As I understand it, we are looking through a filter when in 3D bodies and can only see a little bit of creation and our lessons. We have an idea of our current lessons, by the things we struggle with, but we probably don't remember exactly what we decided to do in 5D. And I don't think we can know what we'll know when we go back to 5D, once the veil has been lifted.

So dont worry of what if's just be, enjoy your life, try to be good. This is not a race. Everyone will reach their 'destination' some faster, some slower. I like to take it slow and enjoy.

I think this is what is important, all is lessons.

Or possibly, one is simply not a part of this particular soul group, or archetype.
Not everyone is going to be Laura in the future...

If it doesn`t feel comfortable or like the right fit, then it probably isn`t.



There are many paths to the same place and many people coming onto and leaving paths all the time.
You shouldn`t be afraid or feel that your being left behind.

I imagine the paths like a big tree, with 7D being at the top. If all paths lead to one, then isn't everyone part of the same soul group in a way. Or are we talking about the first split where there are 2 paths and then the second where there are 4, and at this point there are distinct differences in the paths. I think the first split would be STS and STO; a strange looking tree I would think.

I guess what I'm saying is, aren't we all, by being a part of this forum, the C's in the future? Because eventually doesn't everything return, in "time", to the source/7D? Or maybe some of us in the future are a part of another 6th Density soul group, like the C's neighbors :P?