What to do when you realise you're lucid dreaming

TheSpoon

Jedi
Hi all

I did a search through the forum for "lucid dreaming arms" and didn't come up with anything relevant so hopefully I'm not repeating what other people have posted - point me in the right direction if I'm wrong please!

I've been lucid dreaming for 15 years now and find the following helpful:

1. When I realise I'm lucid dreaming, I put my arms into the dream. This helps keep me physically present and participating in the dream rather than becoming a disembodied observer.

2. I often resolve (during the waking day) that I want to speak to some figure - God, Buddha, my higher self, my shadow self, my spirit guide, etc. When I become lucid I say the name of the entity I want to meet three times. I rarely get exactly what I'm looking for, but I always get some effect.

3. If I'm bored of a dream scene or don't like the way things are going I'll decide that a door will lead through to a different dream scene. Sometimes I'll create the handle in a solid wall, or just decide to walk through the wall (which is more difficult - walls seem to offer resistance in a way that puts me in danger of waking up).

4. If I can feel the dream slipping away - like I'm waking up - then I'll "spin" in the dream. Often when I stop spinning I'll find myself in a different dream scene. I like to put my arms back into the dream at that point because changing between dream scenes is often when I loose lucidity.

Cheers,
Peter
 

Tigersoap

The Living Force
Hello Spoon,

As far as I understand it, the pursuit of such practice will not help you to achieve anything meaningful in this world.
It is a distraction from the major work to be done, on yourself.

I did not find any specific thread on lucid dreaming either but this thread on [url="http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5372]Astral projection[/url] seemed relevant to me, as it pertains to the same quest for thrilling experiences osit.
 

tendrini

Padawan Learner
Hi Spoon -

Thanks for taking the time to share some of what you have learned about lucid dreaming. The tip about the arms is something I had never heard before and sounds quite useful.

As far as I know, work on oneself can take place in both the waking and the dreaming state, and "learning is fun"!
 

anart

A Disturbance in the Force
tendrini said:
As far as I know, work on oneself can take place in both the waking and the dreaming state, and "learning is fun"!
Dreaming is dreaming, tendrini. Awakening has very little to do with dreaming - in any way, however working to 'lucid dream' sure can be fun and exciting with lots of 'cool' experiences, all the while, you sleep more soundly in your waking dream - because dreaming is not awakening and phenomenon chasing is phenomenon chasing. Tigersoap is correct, though you are certainly free to dream all you'd like.
 

John G

The Living Force
For the most part, a meaningful dream (most aren't) seem at best to be a little synchronicity and like the other kinds of synchronicities they are just little confirmations of things you are doing real work on. Dreams aren't the real work any more than synchronicity in general is. Too much lucidity actually seems like it would hurt the role of dreams as a synchronicity. I've only ever had very very minor lucidity in a couple of dreams though one lucid intention actually did fit in a synchronicity kind of way.
 

henry

The Living Force
TheSpoon said:
2. I often resolve (during the waking day) that I want to speak to some figure - God, Buddha, my higher self, my shadow self, my spirit guide, etc. When I become lucid I say the name of the entity I want to meet three times. I rarely get exactly what I'm looking for, but I always get some effect.
Hi Peter,

Can you describe what kind of effects you get? Are these good effects? Do you think they would be different if you asked for Hitler or Napoleon?

Henry
 

Joe

Administrator
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TheSpoon said:
2. I often resolve (during the waking day) that I want to speak to some figure - God, Buddha, my higher self, my shadow self, my spirit guide, etc. When I become lucid I say the name of the entity I want to meet three times. I rarely get exactly what I'm looking for, but I always get some effect.
Sounds like fun, but it sounds also like you are suggesting that these figures that you ask to speak to are actually there rather than just being conjured up by your mind in the dream.

Joe
 

tendrini

Padawan Learner
Does anyone know whether or where the C's discussed the subject of dreams? I've been reading this material for years and sometimes it seems that my memory is full of holes.

Thanks -

Tendrini
 

Russ

Jedi Master
I think lucid dreaming can be fun, when it happens. But I don't force it, I'm not sure if theres any harm in playing around with it though, I just can't be bothered to put the effort in ;)

Over the years I have seen a side of my mind which comes up with things I would never think of (ie different perspectives, ways of looking at things, experiences which I would be too scared to do in real life, and so on), when dreaming, so maybe its not such a bad idea to use lucid dreaming, if you can use it to come up with ideas. All I can advise is treat it like how it is, its not any more special or "correct" than anything or anyone else (in fact they are usually wrong about most things, at least with me).
 

TheSpoon

Jedi
I suppose the question of whether lucid dreaming is useful or not depends on whether you think exploring the subconcious can yield relevant information or if it's just random imagery. Personally I see it as an area of "Unknown Unknowns" - but still something that's part of me and very much influences my life.

I've been waking recently with a vague feeling of foreboding and unease - guilt perhaps. You know how you can feel happy when you look at someone else who's happy? It's like feeling guilty because someone else is feeling guilty. Nothing I can really put my finger on. So I'm keen to explore my subconscious and find out where that vague feeling is coming from.

henry said:
Can you describe what kind of effects you get? Are these good effects? Do you think they would be different if you asked for Hitler or Napoleon?
When I asked to speak to God, I found myself back on the farm I grew up on. It was a clear stary night - freezing cold - and an owl flew towards me from the direction of the moon (on my right), behind me, and off over farm buildings on my left. End of Dream. Enigmatic, textbook enigmatic.

The Buddha was a little more helpful. I called his name three times and four monks came and escorted me to a video rental shop where he was sitting on a stage. I asked him how I was doing with my life and he said "Really good Peter, but watch less television".

My higher self appeared as a little straw angel hanging on my parent's bedroom door handle. My Anima (I was reading Jung at the time) appeared out of the ground, forming from smoke into a beautiful woman. My friend (who's alive) appeared but was very pale and sick and I had to hold her. My brother (who's dead) appeared looking very well and happy and we had a great chat about how sorry I was he'd died and missed him. He said he was sorry too. I felt really good when I woke up from that one - quite a healing experience.

Are they good effects? Well, they're interesting - and in the case of my brother very helpful. Every experience has been different so I expect Hitler would be too!

Joe said:
Sounds like fun, but it sounds also like you are suggesting that these figures that you ask to speak to are actually there rather than just being conjured up by your mind in the dream.
Hmm, good point. I suppose my first answer would be that I think I'm experiencing how my subconscious chooses to represent these things, which it can only do with images from my memory. But whether or not there could be influence from an external entity I don't know. That would be making an assumption about where/what the border is between "my" subconscious and whatever else is out there.

I've had a recurring dream recently (not lucid) that I'm with a group of about 5 people in the middle east, escaping from some sort of Government force. The local people are helping us, and we run through buildings and courtyards (bright blue sky, brilliant white buildings, orange sand). Last night we ran through a University and the people there gave us green smocks to help disguise us. We crossed the border to safety (possibly into Palestine), but one old man was too slow and was executed by the border guards.

Cheers,
Peter
 

ScioAgapeOmnis

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
TheSpoon said:
suppose the question of whether lucid dreaming is useful or not depends on whether you think exploring the subconcious can yield relevant information or if it's just random imagery.
Well exploring the subconscious can yield relevant information if it is done the right way. We can explore the subconscious mind using hypnosis, which is a method that has been proven to be effective if done the right way. But the "right way" is developed from years of experiments and a critical approach that seeks to test and verify what works and what doesn't, and why. You can also use hypnosis to brainwash people and suggest things, which does not yield objectivity but the opposite, creates subjectivity and illusion. And if you don't know what you're doing when it comes to hypnosis, you're likely to do a lot more harm than good, and just get a lot of random imagery too.

As for lucid dreaming, in order for it to be something useful, the right method to use it would have to be found - which means that the wrong method also more than likely exists. But I'm not sure how dreaming, even lucid dreaming, can be submitted to any kind of conscious, critical, rigorous testing if you have to be asleep to do it. In the case of hypnosis at least one person is conscious and awake. In the case of sleeping, it's only you, and you'd be sleeping.

It may even be dangerous if you're attempting to contact other beings, as that becomes really a form of channeling - or attempted channeling anyway. You're calling it "exploring your subconscious" but an intentional attempt to call on Buddha or other beings doesn't sound like exploring your subconscious, sounds like you're interested in seeing if you can contact other beings in your sleep. You may want to search this forum for why attempting to channel, for the vast majority of people, is a very, VERY dangerous activity.

Look at the channel watch series (and just look around the internet for what kind of channeling is out there), and you may see that you're pretty much guaranteed to get STS beings under guise of whatever you're asking for. And once you've consciously opened a connection with your free will, I'm not sure how easy it is to close it, and what else can use that door you're trying to open to walk right into your mind and set up residence.
 

TheSpoon

Jedi
ScioAgapeOmnis said:
But I'm not sure how dreaming, even lucid dreaming, can be submitted to any kind of conscious, critical, rigorous testing if you have to be asleep to do it. In the case of hypnosis at least one person is conscious and awake. In the case of sleeping, it's only you, and you'd be sleeping.
NASA is currently exploring and testing Mars without a conscious and awake observer on the planet. In a similar way I could set up an experiment when I'm awake, run it in my sleep and consider the results critically when I wake up.

Bit of a lack of a control group there I'll admit, but insight into oneself rarely has anything to benchmark against. Discussion with others is perhaps useful, which is what this forum is all about.

ScioAgapeOmnis said:
It may even be dangerous if you're attempting to contact other beings, as that becomes really a form of channeling.
I will look up the material you suggest - thank you for your concern.

I do however feel much safer exploring the self and interactions with others from the - relative - safety of my own head compared to, say, a Large Group Awareness Seminar.

Cheers,
Peter
 

henry

The Living Force
TheSpoon said:
Bit of a lack of a control group there I'll admit, but insight into oneself rarely has anything to benchmark against. Discussion with others is perhaps useful, which is what this forum is all about.

I do however feel much safer exploring the self and interactions with others from the - relative - safety of my own head compared to, say, a Large Group Awareness Seminar.
Is it so binary as that? I agree that I wouldn't want my head to be messed with in the Large Group Awareness Seminar, but I wonder what type of interaction with others there would be if it were confined to my own head. Sounds like it would be completely subjective. What kind of real feedback would you be able to get.

One of the premises of the work here is that we need the network to help us see ourselves clearly. Others can see our own blind spots, the things we take for granted. So that is very much what this forum is about. It does serve as a benchmark.
 

Cyre2067

The Living Force
I'd have to agree with Henry, I've definitely had dreams in which something alien was present or influencing the course of the dream. The only way I can state that with any ounce of certainty is completely subjective though. The dream 'felt' different, it was very vivid, and during the course of it I felt violated in a way only something other could perpetrate.

Plus, given the 4D control system and the fact that the secret world guberment has all kinds of crazy technology it isn't beyond the realm of possibilities that our dreams (and even waking state) can be influenced by the presence of an 'outsider'. So say you go looking for 'answers' in a lucid dreaming medium, it would be easy for the control system to supplant contact with your higher self, and would probably be the case before one's higher self could be contacted. It's similiar in Laura's case, she had to sift through tons of 'dead dudes' and god knows what else before contacting the C's. But even then, she was doing it with a group, through a medium that could be consciously monitored at all times.

So do as you will, but be very careful, and aware that the possibility exists for your to acquire attachments or alien spirits or even just be misinformed by the info you get via that medium.
 

mada85

The Living Force
TheSpoon said:
When I asked to speak to God, I found myself back on the farm I grew up on. It was a clear stary night - freezing cold - and an owl flew towards me from the direction of the moon (on my right), behind me, and off over farm buildings on my left. End of Dream. Enigmatic, textbook enigmatic.

The Buddha was a little more helpful. I called his name three times and four monks came and escorted me to a video rental shop where he was sitting on a stage. I asked him how I was doing with my life and he said "Really good Peter, but watch less television".
Have you read anything about alien abduction memories? The above dreams sound just like screen memories for abductions. Karla Turner's work is a good place to start, if you're interested, and also Laura's book, High Strangeness.

But I agree with others posting on this thread, that dreams are just that – whether lucid or not – and probably have symbolic rather than actual content. Better to focus on waking up, osit…
 
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