Who you are and what you see

[mocachapeau]

Hi everyone,

I started re-reading The Wave series. Like others have stated, I find it amazing to go through it again after a fair bit of study and at least some advancement (I think), being reminded of points I had forgotten, and getting more out of others.

A thought came up that I wanted to share, and ask opinions if anyone would like to give them.

"It's not where you are, it's who you are and what you see." - C's

My interpretation of that statement has always been that "what you see" refers to our general perception of the world we live in. With the accumulation of knowledge we will perceive the world differently, see through the lies, understand the interactions of energies, see the control system(s) for what it is. In this way, "knowledge protects", we are less apt to be surprised by things (don't blink) and able to make better decisions.

But with the other preparations to be done such as oxygenation, oscillating, detoxing, all together raising your vibrational frequency in preparation for the arrival of The Wave, I started thinking about "what you see" in a different way. The statement was made in reference to the moment The Wave arrives, and what it is that will make it possible for some to reach 4D at that moment, if I'm not mistaken.

I was reading the part in Book 1 about the introduction to the general population of the concept of the 4th dimension (density), and the Reimann's cuts - those openings between 3D and 4D.

Is it possible that "what you see" could be less about general perception, and more about something specific (or both)? Due to all the energy being released by the destruction of so much matter during a cataclysmic event (comet shower), could these Reimann's cuts be created naturally around the globe? And those who have been preparing for this event, raising their frequency level, could it be that they may actually see these openings? Or are these "windows" opened only with the use of technology?

I realise there may be problems with my interpretations, before and after this idea, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

 

[Psalehesost]

Even if there are such "openings" opening up, I think seeing such things has little relevance to the Work done here. Such ability does not indicate STO-candidacy - it simply shows the presence of certain "ability" which may occur in itself, or, if coming with preparation, could likewise come as the result of "STS work" for those with such potential.

When it comes to "seeing", there are plenty of other things to See - some past discussion in the Eiriu-Eolas thread comes to mind:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12837.msg109148#msg109148
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12837.msg109463#msg109463
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12837.msg109663#msg109663

I think this "what you see" does go in terms of "general perception of the world", but also things like those - awareness of what presently is in this world, and has been for a very long time. To my understanding, the idea of the wave is that the state of awareness determines what happens - you experience what is in you. Seeing the world as objectively as possible, and having removed emotional blockages and programming that is in the way, this state of awareness (as part of all within you) would then be "magnified" as the wave arrives.

I don't think that going to 4D would be done by dragging one's body through some portal that would open up, but rather that if one has the nature of a candidate, then that nature will be amplified by the wave, and transferring would be the result of one's FRV then leaping out of the range of 3D existence.

fwiw

 

[andi]

"It's not where you are, it's who you are and what you see." - C's

I have been interested by that and I'm thankfull you have brought it to surface. As you have mention rereading the Wave may indeed come as a pleasurable surprise.
Basically I take it (but I might be deadly wrong) as follows: it doesn't matter that you are living there opposed to somewhere else OR that you are that (medic or teacher ...) opposed to something else ; it is basically your perception of who you are and how much you can see inside and outside yourself ...., after all I guess it is close to what you are saying.
It's the soul that matters and not the body or the location.
I'll have to think a little bit more about it.

 

[Buddy]

{...}
A thought came up that I wanted to share, and ask opinions if anyone would like to give them.

"It's not where you are, it's who you are and what you see." - C's
{...}

Here is an excerpt from the session transcripts that might be helpful. To me, it seems to expand the contextual meaning of that phrase you're interested in (my bold):

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Q: (L) I think that the issue is, what these two guys are trying to get to is that they want to transition to 4th density, they don't want to be hanging out on a post-
cataclysmic world where everything is all messed up, they don't want to go back to square one and do third density all over again and suffer, and they want to
know how or why or what to do to ensure that they make this transition?
A: You cannot honestly entertain such nonsense, can you?
Q: (L) Well, I have tried to explain to them that it doesn't matter where you are or any preparations that you have made along this line, but it is important as to WHO you are and what you SEE. And, seeing is based on awareness, and awareness is based on knowledge. Therefore, it seems to me that the only thing one should be occupying oneself doing is gathering and gaining knowledge.
A: Closer.
Q: (L) Can we get closer than that?
A: No.

Is it possible that "what you see" could be less about general perception, and more about something specific (or both)? Due to all the energy being released by the destruction of so much matter during a cataclysmic event (comet shower), could these Reimann's cuts be created naturally around the globe? And those who have been preparing for this event, raising their frequency level, could it be that they may actually see these openings? Or are these "windows" opened only with the use of technology?

My thoughts on this come from seeing the Work as a whole. IOW, as the Work leads to growth in knowledge and being, one has, hopefully, achieved some understandings of the "karmic and simple things" which constitute the important lessons in 3D. In addition, one would have changed some of his/her assumptions about this world, people and it's energy-based phenomena. Further, as one experiences some growth in knowledge and being, one also has increased his freewill to some extent, meaning he can see more of the possibilities inherent in a situation which may lead to being able to make survival-related choices at an appropriate time.

All this just leads back to the necessity of continuing the Work, osit.

As is often said...the devil's in the details, and to me, having faith in the Work (in this context) means that when/if the wave arrives, and assuming I'm not pounded into the ground by a comet or whatnot, the possibilities I will be able to see will be related to my current growth and I will then try to choose the one that best represents the idea of acting for my destiny as I understand it.

I don't see a way to project anything further than that, though, so this might not be worth much. :)

 

[hnd]

"It's not where you are, it's who you are and what you see." - C's

My interpretation of that statement has always been that "what you see" refers to our general perception of the world we live in. With the accumulation of knowledge we will perceive the world differently, see through the lies, understand the interactions of energies, see the control system(s) for what it is. In this way, "knowledge protects", we are less apt to be surprised by things (don't blink) and able to make better decisions.

But with the other preparations to be done such as oxygenation, oscillating, detoxing, all together raising your vibrational frequency in preparation for the arrival of The Wave, I started thinking about "what you see" in a different way. The statement was made in reference to the moment The Wave arrives, and what it is that will make it possible for some to reach 4D at that moment, if I'm not mistaken.

I was reading the part in Book 1 about the introduction to the general population of the concept of the 4th dimension (density), and the Reimann's cuts - those openings between 3D and 4D.

Is it possible that "what you see" could be less about general perception, and more about something specific (or both)? Due to all the energy being released by the destruction of so much matter during a cataclysmic event (comet shower), could these Reimann's cuts be created naturally around the globe? And those who have been preparing for this event, raising their frequency level, could it be that they may actually see these openings? Or are these "windows" opened only with the use of technology?

I realise there may be problems with my interpretations, before and after this idea, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

Hi, mocachapeau...
Your question reminded me of what I thought after reading Castaneda's `A Seperate Reality`, where he describes seeing as "perceiving energy directly as it flows through the universe", I was a little confused about what I should understand from it or how it may be related to 4D but I decided that certain things are difficult to grasp at this stage of my learning cycle, contemplating too much on them no matter how interesting they are could be a mistake. ( Here I don't mean you are doing such a mistake by sharing what is on your mind because I don't know to what extent questions like this occupy your mind.) However, when it comes to seeing the world as it is and yourself as you are, I know deep in my heart that it is what I should focus on and it is not easy. Discovering more about the truth about the world we live in certainly protects you from falling into certain traps, but I keep discovering the lies I tell to myself and to others and the programs I try to fight, there is so much to do about it and it has some kind of priority compared to other things I try to understand, OSIT. So, I would like to quote from Gurdjieff here (from an article by Laura) which I guess is related to what is discussed in this thread:

"Freedom, liberation, this must be the aim of man. To become free, to be liberated from slavery: this is what a man ought to strive for when he becomes even a little conscious of his position. There is nothing else for him, and nothing else is possible so long as he remains a slave both inwardly and outwardly. But he cannot cease to be a slave outwardly while he remains a slave inwardly. Therefore in order to become free, man must gain inner freedom.

"The first reason for man's inner slavery is his ignorance, and above all, his ignorance of himself. Without self-knowledge, without understanding the working and functions of his machine, man cannot be free, he cannot govern himself and he will always remain a slave, and the plaything of the forces acting upon him.

"This is why in all ancient teachings the first demand at the beginning of the way to liberation was: "know thyself. [..]

"Although modern thought is aware of the existence of this principle it has only a very vague idea of its meaning and significance. The ordinary man of our times, even a man with philosophic or scientific interests, does not realize that the principle 'know thyself' speaks of the necessity of knowing one's machine, the 'human machine.' Machines are made more or less the same way in all men; therefore, before anything else man must study the structure, the function, and the laws of his organism. In the human machine everything is so interconnected, one thing is so dependent upon another, that it is quite impossible to study any one function without studying all the others. In order to know one thing, one must know everything. To know everything in man is possible, but it requires much time and labor, and above all, the application of the right method and, what is equally necessary, right guidance. [...]

"How many times have I been asked here whether wars can be stopped? Certainly they can. For this it is only necessary that people should awaken. It seems a small thing. It is, however, the most difficult think there can be because this sleep is induced and maintained by the whole of surrounding life, by all surrounding conditions. [Laura's note: in other words, The Matrix.] [...]

"Man's possibilities are very great. You cannot conceive even a shadow of what man is capable of attaining. But nothing can be attained in sleep. In the consciousness of a sleeping man his illusions, his 'dreams' are mixed with reality. He lives in a subjective world and he can never escape from it. And this is the reason why he can never make use of all the powers he possesses and why he always lives in only a small part of himself."

I guess only after doing a proper cleaning on our machines, we may have an idea about what is meant by `seeing`, and it may take many more lives to spend in 3D.

 

[RyanX]

As far as SEEing, this is from SHOTW:

[quote author=SHOTW]
As self-aware “transducing units”, the human being has the potential for going
either way - toward intensified being, or toward intensified non-being. In this
sense, humans also function very much like a lens that can be “adjusted” like a
telescope. It can be dialed to select the viewing range, which can be distant and
inclusive of more “space/time”, or it can be shortened to only see what is up close
and evident in the material world. In other words, our first and most fundamental
choice is to choose what we SEE.
When we choose what we SEE - and here we do NOT mean with the physical
eyes or even psychically, but rather a more inclusive term that suggests whether or
not we are capable of objectivity or subjectivity - we are receiving impressions.
Impressions can become knowledge if assimilated. Knowledge leads to awareness.
Knowledge and awareness then direct emotions, which then energize actions in the
organic world. This is the transducing of energies of Cosmic Thought Centers.[/quote]

So as far as "what you see" goes, I think this just means one's ability to view the world objectively.

[quote author=mocachapeau]Is it possible that "what you see" could be less about general perception, and more about something specific (or both)? Due to all the energy being released by the destruction of so much matter during a cataclysmic event (comet shower), could these Reimann's cuts be created naturally around the globe? And those who have been preparing for this event, raising their frequency level, could it be that they may actually see these openings? Or are these "windows" opened only with the use of technology?[/quote]

What you describe here is really similar to what Laura writes in The Wave I:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave5.htm

[quote author=The Wave]I think we can understand that everyone has a "connection" to The Wave, or Realm Border via a 4th dimension-like "cut" or wormhole called a "Perpendicular Reality." Whether they can access it or not is another question. And, whether it needs more than one person to "produce" or "manifest" the "cut" is still another. If the latter idea is correct, we might conjecture that groups of seven individuals, if they are the RIGHT seven individuals (determined by each group dynamic) can interact in such a way as to bring exponential knowledge and awareness to each and every member of the group, thereby "opening" the cut, or wormhole, is a further consideration. Such groups would be called "conduits" as the Cassiopaeans have denoted them, and, as we learned earlier, a conduit is a sort of "escape hatch" that can be activated upon the arrival of the Wave. [/quote]

The thing is, what would such a cut or conduit look like? Would one be able to recognize it? The C's also say that 4D isn't a dimension it is a level of development, or a certain level of Being, OSIT.

 

[Username]

Concerning the Seeing, these two passages come to my mind:

(L) What about next year? For us, for the group?
A: You are on the way! Keep the faith in your abilities and the reality of higher densities and energies relating to both. You will receive dramatic demonstrations of the efficacy of the approach. The playing field is in the process of being leveled. And... Help is on the way!

A: You see, my dear, when you arrive at 4th density, then you
will see.
Q: (L) Well, how in the heck am I supposed to get there if I
can't "get it?"
A: Who says you have to "get it" before you get there?
Q: (L) Well, that leads back to: what is the wave going to do
to expand this awareness? Because, if the wave is what "gets
you there," what makes this so?
A: No. It is like this: After you have completed all your
lessons in "third grade," where do you go?
Q: (L) So, it is a question of...
A: Answer, please.
Q: (L) You go to fourth grade.
A: Okay, now, do you have to already be in 4th grade in
order to be allowed to go there? Answer.
Q: (L) No. But you have to know all the 3rd density things...
A: Yes. More apropos: you have to have learned all of the
lessons.
Q: (L) What kind of lessons are we talking about here?
A: Karmic and simple understandings.
Q: (L) What are the key elements of these understandings,
and are they fairly universal?
A: They are universal.
Q: (L) What are they?
A: We cannot tell you that.
Q: (L) Do they have to do with discovering the MEANINGS
of the symbology of 3rd density existence, seeing behind the
veil... and reacting to things according to choice? Giving each
thing or person or event its due?
A: Okay. But you cannot force the issue. When you have
learned, you have learned!

As far as I understand, the main point of both passages is that Seeing relates to the capability of deciphering the real meaning of life events, watching the world stage from the point of view of it's real being, as an expression, a manifestation of a secret world that shows itself to us as this 3d world and, most important and difficult, acting according to this understanding.

 

[mocachapeau]

Thank you for your responses, everyone. Some of those passages I have read before, some not, but some of them I had forgotten. You have helped to clarify the point that my original interpretation is the correct one, and you have reminded me why! I got a chance to read on in The Wave since I posted, and it also helped to clarify. It really is about how you see yourself and the world around you, objectively.

I think what was getting me a little confused was the question of what kind of decision-making I might have to be doing at the moment The Wave arrives. I was seeing comets raining down on everyone, total chaos all around, deciding how to help others, whether to sit still and see what happens, or just what to do. I couldn't see how my ability to see through the STS lies (and other things) was going to help me so much in deciding whether to go left or right, while 3D STS forces would be too preoccupied with the same problem to be chasing me around, presenting me with lies wrapped in truth. But then I stopped to think about what STS forces WOULD be doing.

Because the "consortium" is well aware of what's coming, and it will become apparent to everyone at some point, they will probably use this as an opportunity to provide the public with another one of their "solutions" to a problem. The passage from The Wave 1 that I thought pointed out what that could be, is this one:

Quote from Wave 1

"Q: (L) Is there something we could do? I mean, are we supposed to
get rid of pets?
A: We would never suggest something as harsh as this. However,
beware: 3rd density STS orientation includes the thought of
“dominion” over 2nd density, and this is merely a continuation of
the energy buildups of the approach of The Wave... Some of the
lessons are interesting indeed. When you assume that capture
and imprisonment of those of lesser capacity than you is for
“their good,” why should not you expect those of greater
capacity than you to assume the same regarding you?!? We
would like you to ponder this further. We suspect there is much to
be gained from insights lurking there."

And this would start happening before the chaotic moment I was thinking of.

Just imagine: 'The surface of the planet shall be virtually destroyed by this bombardment of comets that has already begun. These comets are infrequent at the moment, but their frequency, and size, will increase. We have constructed underground bunkers where you all must report in order to be saved from this destruction. In order to preserve our species, we must save as many of us as possible, therefore reporting to your nearest underground base is mandatory."

This could justify the use of force to get people rounded up. The 3D people doing the rounding up would believe their use of force was to save our species, not realising that these underground bases have a much more sinister purpose. Welcome to Slaughterhouse 5 everyone. We get rid of you, replace you, or continue using you for parts, etc.

Well it may not be exactly that, and it may not be the exact topic that that passage is referring to, but it does illustrate the kind of thing that could occur, and why seeing through this type of charade would be helpful.

 

[theos]

Just imagine: 'The surface of the planet shall be virtually destroyed by this bombardment of comets that has already begun. These comets are infrequent at the moment, but their frequency, and size, will increase. We have constructed underground bunkers where you all must report in order to be saved from this destruction. In order to preserve our species, we must save as many of us as possible, therefore reporting to your nearest underground base is mandatory."

What an unpleasant scenario.

 

[Al Today]

Methinks all is possible. Accumulating and analyzing information to me is what I try to work on. No matter what kind of crazy notion presented or can be thought of should be discussed. Reminds me of a TV commercial I've seen, "The informed consumer is our best customer." If ya do the research and become familiar with comparables, this may help with less chance of being blindsided because of ignorance. Not being blindsided, being rendered speechless. the brain halts because what is being seen cannot be processed.

When events begin to unfold. Then we will see...
I wanna be at ground zero, sitting on a lawn chair with a cold one, no lingering, boom...
Seeing/Understanding what comes/happens hopfully lessens the confusion with transition to whatever, methinks...

edit: If anything outstanding happens that is, I DON"T KNOW, we will see...