Why 7

[sarek]

This is no doubt a dumb question but I havent come across the answer yet.

I can logically derived the law of three from the necessary dualism of All that is plus a reconciling force. But I have not been able to figure out why its is the law of seven and not for instance 5 or 9 or 42

 

[Joe]

Good question. Might have something to do with the broad distinctions between levels of "frequency vibrations" or the limits of the "frequency resonance" of matter from lowest to highest (1-7). You should probably assume that the idea of there being 7 levels is a somewhat subjective description. You could, I suppose, if you wanted, break the levels down in a different way on different criteria so that there are 5, 9 or 42, if you chose to look at it that way. I suppose.

Check out the second image down on this page

https://cassiopaea.org/2010/05/18/the-wave-chapter-26-the-tree-of-life/

 

[Palinurus]

Hi sarek,

Your question was posed a few years back by a forumite going by the name of François, the ensuing discussion starting here:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,24586.msg282484.html#msg282484

Happy reading! :)

 

[astrozombie]

From the thread that Palinurus linked:

Quote

Q: (A) There are infinitely many dimensions because there are infinitely many slices. Now we come to densities. There are not infinitely many densities, there are only seven. Or, are these seven just for the general public and there are really infinitely many of them as well?

A: No.

Q: (A) Good. So, there are seven densities. Now, how come, there are seven, and not three or five, or eleven? Does it follow from some mathematics?

A: What form of mathematical theory best describes the concept of balance?

Q: (L) Algebra. (A) So, I had the idea that these seven densities were related to what Gurdjieff relates to the number of laws that apply in the various densities; the higher the density, the fewer the laws that apply, which means there is more freedom?

A: That is very close. Consciousness is the key here.


quoted from 10 July 99 C's session / posted by Laura, today at 12:47:45 PM

Can someone tell me which book in The Wave series that this transcript was talked about? I recall the transcript but not any in depth discussion of it in the series. I just finished it and I'm afraid that I missed this part. Thanks in advance.

 

[Mike]

Can someone tell me which book in The Wave series that this transcript was talked about? I recall the transcript but not any in depth discussion of it in the series. I just finished it and I'm afraid that I missed this part. Thanks in advance.

I did a search of the cassiopaea.org site via google using a couple lines of the session text (ie what I put in google: Now, how come, there are seven, and not three or five, or eleven? site: cassiopaea.org) and didn't find any links to the Wave that have it quoted, but did find a couple links that came up on the forum. Nothing stood out to repost here though.

 

[astrozombie]

Can someone tell me which book in The Wave series that this transcript was talked about? I recall the transcript but not any in depth discussion of it in the series. I just finished it and I'm afraid that I missed this part. Thanks in advance.

I did a search of the cassiopaea.org site via google using a couple lines of the session text (ie what I put in google: Now, how come, there are seven, and not three or five, or eleven? site: cassiopaea.org) and didn't find any links to the Wave that have it quoted, but did find a couple links that came up on the forum. Nothing stood out to repost here though.

Thanks Bear. The thread that I read implied (I may have misread though) that this one was discussed in depth. I've been reading too much lately and I'm afraid that I'm not taking it all in. I need to slow down.

 

[RflctnOfU]

This is no doubt a dumb question but I havent come across the answer yet.

I can logically derived the law of three from the necessary dualism of All that is plus a reconciling force. But I have not been able to figure out why its is the law of seven and not for instance 5 or 9 or 42

I would recommend Cosmic Secrets by Russel A. Smith

The short of it - Cosmic Secrets - is that 7 is a result of the binary aspect of the Cosmos.

Kris

 

[Martfotai]

The short of it - Cosmic Secrets - is that 7 is a result of the binary aspect of the Cosmos.

Kris

Seeing that this thread has come to an abrupt stop, will you elaborate on your statement above on how 7 is a result of the binary aspect of the Cosmos? I'm interested in hearing your understanding on this and hopefully it will stir this serious line of questioning back to life :)

Also, what research has been done by other members here on the significance of Sevenfoldness and the sources of it's arising?

 

[MusicMan]

I remember that the beam of light striking a prism will split into seven colours, which are discernible to humans. Other creatures may be able to see more (or less).
That is, the binary issue of light/no light, or light/dark becomes sevenfold in nature.
We know that the light we discern is produced by the sun, and that the light is being emitted by incandescent elements, and that each element produces its own characteristic spectrum, which combine into the white light we see.
There is a connection between light, gravity, and consciousness.
My humble brain cannot grok the connect.

 

[davey72]

And why eight octaves?
Another question i have is how many have a relationship with the number seven before coming across the cassiopaeans? Such as a lucky number etc. I used to do an ocd type thing where i would do many things in sevens. Swallowing etc. I then had a girlfriend once tell me that she saw everything as a picture that was broken up in seven sub pictures.

 

[RflctnOfU]

The short of it - Cosmic Secrets - is that 7 is a result of the binary aspect of the Cosmos.

Kris

Seeing that this thread has come to an abrupt stop, will you elaborate on your statement above on how 7 is a result of the binary aspect of the Cosmos? I'm interested in hearing your understanding on this and hopefully it will stir this serious line of questioning back to life :)

Also, what research has been done by other members here on the significance of Sevenfoldness and the sources of it's arising?

There is a whole chapter devoted to this in the book mentioned. Basically, binary in this context is doubling or halving of vibrations. Octaves. This basic structure of doubling and halving - binary - is fractal within the structure of the octave in the created universe. This idea of a created, or manifest universe, is talked about in detail in the chapter The Holy Planet Purgatory, when the Almighty Endlessness vanquished the Merciless Heropass by altering the functioning of Triamazikamno and Heptaparaparshinokh. The Mi-Fa interval is half that of the Fa-Sol interval. The same with the Si-Do and Do-Re of the next octave. This is apparent on examination of of any octave, but for our purpose let us take the octave starting at 24 vibrations. The ascending scale would be as follows: Do (24) - Re(27) - Mi(30) - Fa(32) - Sol(36) - La(40) - Si(45) - Do(48) - Re(54). The length of intervals, as mentioned earlier, is 2 then 4, and 3 then 6, respectively. It is more complicated than this, of course, but the details are in the book recommended.

It is my opinion that in the created universe there is also an intimate connection between 3 and 7. The Omnipresent-Okidanokh is composed of an equal blending of the three forces (the do/Do of the octave), when djartklom occurs (ascending/descending through the octave) there are six possible combinations of the three forces (the notes Re, mi, Fa, sol, la, Si) 123, 132, 213, 231, 312, and 321 (though not necessarily respectively). The seven notes of the octave. Or with a compass and paper, form a circle. Then form another circle with its center on the circumference of the first circle. Finally form another circle with its center at the intersection of circumferences of the two already formed circles. There are 7 separate areas made by three 'strokes of the pen'. The white ray is dispersed by means of a triangular prism. Etc..

I apologize for straying off topic, Re your question, a bit, but this topic in general is a minefield :)

Kris

 

[edgitarra]

This is a similar quoestion to the one Jeff Bridges asked Kevin Spacey in the movie "K-Pax".

"- Why do you look like us if you are from another planet?" Jeff Bridges asks
"- Why is a soap bubble round?" Kevin replied and then he continues saying that "..it is the most energy efficient configuration. Similarly, on your planet I look like you; on K-PAX I look like a K-Paxian.".


That could answer a lot of these wonderings.

 

[whitecoast]

There is a whole chapter devoted to this in the book mentioned. Basically, binary in this context is doubling or halving of vibrations. Octaves. This basic structure of doubling and halving - binary - is fractal within the structure of the octave in the created universe. This idea of a created, or manifest universe, is talked about in detail in the chapter The Holy Planet Purgatory, when the Almighty Endlessness vanquished the Merciless Heropass by altering the functioning of Triamazikamno and Heptaparaparshinokh. The Mi-Fa interval is half that of the Fa-Sol interval. The same with the Si-Do and Do-Re of the next octave. This is apparent on examination of of any octave, but for our purpose let us take the octave starting at 24 vibrations. The ascending scale would be as follows: Do (24) - Re(27) - Mi(30) - Fa(32) - Sol(36) - La(40) - Si(45) - Do(48) - Re(54). The length of intervals, as mentioned earlier, is 2 then 4, and 3 then 6, respectively. It is more complicated than this, of course, but the details are in the book recommended.

I'm not sure I follow the ascending scale provided. Why are the lengths 2,4,3,6 used? I thought it was 5 regular intervals of equal length and 2 half-sized intervals?

It is my opinion that in the created universe there is also an intimate connection between 3 and 7. The Omnipresent-Okidanokh is composed of an equal blending of the three forces (the do/Do of the octave), when djartklom occurs (ascending/descending through the octave) there are six possible combinations of the three forces (the notes Re, mi, Fa, sol, la, Si) 123, 132, 213, 231, 312, and 321 (though not necessarily respectively). The seven notes of the octave. Or with a compass and paper, form a circle. Then form another circle with its center on the circumference of the first circle. Finally form another circle with its center at the intersection of circumferences of the two already formed circles. There are 7 separate areas made by three 'strokes of the pen'. The white ray is dispersed by means of a triangular prism. Etc..

Sort of like this? I get how the three forces transform into six possible combinations via combinatorics (3!=6), but what's the 7th? when all the forces are in union and indistinguishable?

 

[RflctnOfU]

There is a whole chapter devoted to this in the book mentioned. Basically, binary in this context is doubling or halving of vibrations. Octaves. This basic structure of doubling and halving - binary - is fractal within the structure of the octave in the created universe. This idea of a created, or manifest universe, is talked about in detail in the chapter The Holy Planet Purgatory, when the Almighty Endlessness vanquished the Merciless Heropass by altering the functioning of Triamazikamno and Heptaparaparshinokh. The Mi-Fa interval is half that of the Fa-Sol interval. The same with the Si-Do and Do-Re of the next octave. This is apparent on examination of of any octave, but for our purpose let us take the octave starting at 24 vibrations. The ascending scale would be as follows: Do (24) - Re(27) - Mi(30) - Fa(32) - Sol(36) - La(40) - Si(45) - Do(48) - Re(54). The length of intervals, as mentioned earlier, is 2 then 4, and 3 then 6, respectively. It is more complicated than this, of course, but the details are in the book recommended.

I'm not sure I follow the ascending scale provided. Why are the lengths 2,4,3,6 used? I thought it was 5 regular intervals of equal length and 2 half-sized intervals?

It is my opinion that in the created universe there is also an intimate connection between 3 and 7. The Omnipresent-Okidanokh is composed of an equal blending of the three forces (the do/Do of the octave), when djartklom occurs (ascending/descending through the octave) there are six possible combinations of the three forces (the notes Re, mi, Fa, sol, la, Si) 123, 132, 213, 231, 312, and 321 (though not necessarily respectively). The seven notes of the octave. Or with a compass and paper, form a circle. Then form another circle with its center on the circumference of the first circle. Finally form another circle with its center at the intersection of circumferences of the two already formed circles. There are 7 separate areas made by three 'strokes of the pen'. The white ray is dispersed by means of a triangular prism. Etc..

Sort of like this? I get how the three forces transform into six possible combinations via combinatorics (3!=6), but what's the 7th? when all the forces are in union and indistinguishable?

2,4,3,6 are just the lengths of intervals for the octave chosen, beginning at 24. And the lengths of intervals are not equal, though the ear may perceive them as such. I think the terms 'whole tone' and 'half tone' may be confusing the matter. In a major scale, starting at 24 (going through 48), the interval lengths are - 3, 3, 2, 4, 4, 5, 3 (then, in the next octave, 6, 6, 4, 8, 8, 10, 6 etc). The point is that within the mathematics of the scale (Pythagorean ratios - 1:1, 9:8, 5:4, 4:3, 3:2, 5:3, 15:8, 2:1) the inner structure contains the binary 'doubling and halving' mentioned earlier, though on a smaller 'scale', pun unintended. :)

And yes, the 7th(8th) is the Do, where all forces are unified, at the beginning and the end of a process.

Kris

 

[Martfotai]

whitecoast~ the numbers themselves are relatively arbitrary, since we're looking at a specific octave in the range of 24 vibrations to 48 vibrations (it could be anything, but these values allow us to look at the intervals in terms of WHOLE number values).

DO - increase of +0 - 24 vibrations
RE - increase of +1/8 - 27
MI - +1/4 - 30 (that is, +6 on the tonic DO of 24)

and so on; fa +1/3, sol +1/2, la +2/3, ti +7/8, do +1 ... or you could look at it in terms of re +9/8, mi +5/4, etc.

rflctnofu~ I'm fairly familiar with Smith's work and have even dusted my copy off from storage. While I appreciate his contributions I certain do not swallow it whole. Perhaps you can help me digest something which I cannot seem to wrap my head around in regard to the "cosmic rumple." The whole foundation of his house is built upon the Creation as being a lengthening of one stopinder and a shortening of another (verily, Beelzebub says as much). He then illustrates how by doing this (moving the note FA from 3/7 to 1/3), it creates a "rumple" in the fabric of space which then causes the notes RE and MI (1/7 and 2/7) to displace to 1/8 and 1/4. The actual geometry of this "rumple" is, of course, drawn in such a way that it conforms to his theory, but what exactly dictates that it would "rumple" in such a way? As you say this topic is a minefield, so let's take our steps very carefully.