Why would Russia and China help U.S. dominate North Korea? -- Paul Craig Roberts

JGeropoulas

The Living Force
"The frightening development is that the entire world, the entirely of the UN and Security Council are now captured by Washington in The Matrix. It seems that not even Russia and China can any longer see their own national interest. Russia and China are working hand-in-hand with Washington toward their own demise.

It is becoming biblical. Washington the anti-Christ is subverting all good on earth. Behold, a Pale Horse, and its Rider is Washington"

This all makes me think of the C's saying years ago that ultimately, we already have a one-world government running things.

Behold a Pale Horse, and its Rider is Death

Paul Craig Roberts
September 12, 2017

Two of America’s most populous states, Texas and Florida, are in hurricane ruins, and Washington is fomenting more wars.

The US national debt is now over $20 trillion, and Washington is fomenting more wars.

The entire world is helping Washington foment wars—including two targeted countries themselves—Russia and China—both of which are helping Washington foment more wars. Believe it or not, both Russia and China voted with Washington on the UN Security Council to impose more and harsher sanctions on North Korea, a country guilty of nothing but a desire to have the means to protect itself from the US and not become yet another Washington victim like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Syria, Serbia, and Ukraine overthrown in a US coup and now poverty-stricken.

I once thought that Russia and China were checks on Washington’s unilateralism, but apparently not. Both governments have been knuckled under by Washington and both voted to punish North Korea for striving to be sufficiently armed to protect its sovereignty from Washington.

Why are Russia and China repeating their same mistake that they made when they supported Washington’s no-fly UN resolution for Libya, a resolution that Washington and NATO stood on its head when they launched air attacks that helped the CIA organized “jihadists” overthrow Libya’s progressive government and murder Gaddafi?

Russia knows that it is surrounded by US nuclear and military bases. So does China. The question is: have Russia and China capitulated out of fear? Or is their cooperation with Washington a ruse while they prepare their own strike on Washington, or are the two misguided governments trying to cooperate with Washington a la sanctions so as to avoid having to confront a US military attack on North Korea?

It requires much competence to confront evil, and there is probably more evil in Washington than there is competence in Russia and China, two countries interested in being rich to an extent that it might cost them their sovereignty and existence.

When you see such potentially powerful countries as Russia and China collapse under Washington’s pressure in the UN Security Council, it makes you wonder if the various analyses of Washington’s many weaknesses are real, and if they are real, if Russia and China are aware of them.

How does one go about explaining why two countries, whose sovereignty is in the way of Washington’s world hegemony, help their known enemy bully yet another small country, especially one in their orbit of influence? How can Russia complain of sanctions against Russia based on nothing but Washington’s propaganda when Russia supports sanctions against North Korea based on Washington’s propaganda?

Russia and China have nothing to fear from North Korean nuclear weapons. Indeed, no one does except a country that attacks North Korea. What is the explanation for Russia and China lining up with Washington’s foreign policy against North Korea when Russia and China know that Washington’s foreign policy is hostile to Russia and China?

Just the other day Washington announced that it was increasing its navy warships in the South China Sea to make sure China doesn’t think the South China Sea is Chinese, instead of American, territorial waters. Just the other day more election interfering charges were leveled against Russia. This time Facebook was the mechanism by which Russia stole the US presidential election.

These positions taken by Washington are absurd. Yet, they are becoming the reality. The frightening development is that the entire world, the entirely of the UN and Security Council are now captured by Washington in The Matrix. It seems that not even Russia and China can any longer see their own national interest.

Russia and China are working hand-in-hand with Washington toward their own demise.

It is becoming biblical. Washington the anti-Christ is subverting all good on earth.

Behold, a Pale Horse, and its Rider is Washington.

_http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/09/12/behold-pale-horse-rider-death/
 
Lately especially, I think Paul Craig Roberts has kinda lost the plot...

From what I understood, the US wanted to cut off crude oil supplies to N. Korea, but ultimately everyone agreed to cap supplies at current levels. That's a BIG difference.

And:

https://www.rt.com/news/403667-north-korea-sanctions-nukes/

On Monday, the head of Russia’s upper house Committee for International Relations said that Moscow cannot allow the US or any country to provoke North Korea into a military conflict, as that could mean the use of weapons of mass destruction near the country’s borders.

Russia and China have proposed a ‘double-freeze’ plan which would see Pyongyang suspend its nuclear and ballistic missile tests in exchange for a halt in joint US-South Korea military exercises. That plan has been rejected by Washington.

So, it seems to me that neither China nor Russia have given in to Washington at all. They're just trying to exhaust all diplomatic possibilities first, and probably buying some time. China already came out and said that if N. Korea attacks first, they're on their own. But if the USA attacks N. Korea first, China will defend them.

Meanwhile, Russian ports are switching to the ruble, China and Venezuela are switching to selling oil in yuan instead of USD, and basically all the economic cards are starting to be played. It may take awhile, but that's not going to have a beneficial effect on US power.

At the end of the day, all these countries know that the US is a has-been. They can't even move tanks under a bridge in Poland without wrecking them. That's not to say that the US isn't a threat to anyone, but clearly things are not as good as D.C. would like everyone to believe. Russia and China know this.

I think people like PCR are stuck in this illusion that the US is still all-powerful, so they're looking for explanations to convince themselves that "everything is still okay", even if it's a dark kind of "okay". That's far more pleasant than admitting that the US military is rapidly turning into a complete joke, Russia has already won in Syria (which will have the psychos in Washington foaming at the mouth for years), and basically the whole "empire thing" is already falling apart.

It's the same reason Putin talks about, "our American partners". That's hilarious, but he's trying not to provoke and give every opportunity for sanity to prevail. If the US leadership responds like morons (which they usually do), then Putin is effectively playing the American side. But it seems to me like he's not doing this on purpose; he's doing it in such a way that the US always has the option to do the right thing, and if they act like jerks then they get screwed. So in effect, US leaders are playing themselves. It's a rather brilliant strategy.

And as for China, I think what the C's said awhile ago about China is fitting:

30 August 2014

(Alada) Well, China is so big, but it's so relatively quiet...

A: Still waters run deep and strong. The USA and allies are in for a rude and painful awakening.

It seems to me China has begun its economic moves in earnest now... And I suspect we ain't seen nothin' yet.

PS--By "US leaders", I am of course referring to the Deep State, because Trump is most definitely 100% puppetified at this point.
 
JGeropoulas said:
"The frightening development is that the entire world, the entirely of the UN and Security Council are now captured by Washington in The Matrix. It seems that not even Russia and China can any longer see their own national interest. Russia and China are working hand-in-hand with Washington toward their own demise.

It is becoming biblical. Washington the anti-Christ is subverting all good on earth. Behold, a Pale Horse, and its Rider is Washington"

This all makes me think of the C's saying years ago that ultimately, we already have a one-world government running things.

PCR lost the plot a long time ago. He can't seem to get his head out of the old Cold War world in which he operated for most of his life.
 
Scottie said:
And as for China, I think what the C's said awhile ago about China is fitting:

30 August 2014

(Alada) Well, China is so big, but it's so relatively quiet...

A: Still waters run deep and strong. The USA and allies are in for a rude and painful awakening.

It seems to me China has begun its economic moves in earnest now... And I suspect we ain't seen nothin' yet.

PS--By "US leaders", I am of course referring to the Deep State, because Trump is most definitely 100% puppetified at this point.

"Puppetifed," good one! Sadly in his case.

Well, it seems there are powerful engines turning over in Russia and the East (and more) that are set to run on a different fuel than petrodollars. This is not the old Cold War, this is more a asymmetrical financial war that the U.S. is scrambling to avert, to save its supremacy - it seems to late, the fix is in and now it is what countermoves will be made and of what level of desperation the West will undertake.

I don't know the answer to this, yet it seems, too, that conventional warfare (that people understand) shows a lot of muscle and saber rattling today. However, what does the U.S. know that the others know how to counter? I would think that between China and Russia they have a lot more depth and breadth to their systems then meets the eye; and there is possible space technologies - each side must know the limitations of each other, so it seems a whole different game. The one weapon, money, well that remains to be seen, and on the outset, change is likely.

(L) Well, the USA has always considered itself the new city on a hill. (Allen) But 5D city on a hill, does that mean the USA is headed for destruction?

A: More than likely.
 
Joe said:
PCR lost the plot a long time ago. He can't seem to get his head out of the old Cold War world in which he operated for most of his life.

PCR's writing is getting worse. I'm surprised that the Washington Post or the NYT hasn't put him on a retainer to produce articles for them? His writing has gotten that bad. This is his latest article. He's right - that the US taxpayers pay a larger share of the UN's annual budget and then he twists everything below that statement into "the blame game".

More Thoughts on Trump’s UN Declaration of War Against Iran and North Korea
https://www.globalresearch.ca/more-thoughts-on-trumps-un-declaration-of-war-against-iran-and-north-korea/5609833

Trump’s UN speech makes it clear that Trump’s presidency, in terms of his campaign promise to remove Washington from the “policeman of the world” role, exit the Middle East, and repair the damaged relations with Russia, is over. The CIA and the military/security complex are in full control of the US government. Trump has accepted his captivity and his assigned role as the enforcer of Washington’s hegemony over every other country. Washington uber alles is the only foreign policy that Washington pursues.

At the UN Trump actually threatened to wipe North Korea off of the face of the earth. He added to this threats against Venezuela and Iran. He demonized these countries as “rogue states,” but it is Washington that is playing that role. Washington has destroyed in whole or part eight countries in the young 21st century and has 3 to 5 more in its crosshairs.

One question is: why did not the UN audience shout Trump down, a man standing before them telling obvious lies? The answer, of course, is money. The US taxpayers pay roughly one-quarter of the UN’s annual budget, leaving the other 130+ countries a light load. Washington is succeeding in driving the world to Armageddon, because the world’s leaders prefer money to truth, to justice, to survival. The UN diplomats see in their cooperation with Washington the opportunity to make money by sharing in the West’s exploitation of their own countries.

Washington, absorbed in its effort to destroy Syria, left it to its Saudi Arabian puppet to destroy Yemen. The Saudi autocracy, a major sponsor with the US of terrorism, has done a good job, thanks to US supplying the weapons and to the US refueling the Saudi attack airplanes. This totally gratuitous war has helped to maximize the profits of the American military/security complex, a collection of evil never before present on the face of the earth. UNICEF reports that one million Yemeni children will be the victims of “American compassion” of which Trump bragged in the CIA’s UN speech.

One wonders if the Russians and Chinese are so absorbed in getting rich like America’s One Percent that they are unaware that they are on the list of countries to be eliminated for not accepting Washington’s hegemony. Really, where was the Russian government when Washington overthrew the Ukranian government? It was at a sports event. And I call Americans insouciant. Where was the Russian government? How could it have not known?

To be frank. The point is this. Unless Russia and China can take out the US, the US will take out Russia and China. The only question is who strikes first. The only way to avoid this is for Russia and China to surrender and accept Washington’s hegemony. This is the firm undeviating path on which the neoconservatives, the CIA, and the military/security complex have set the United States. The entire point of North Korea is US nuclear missiles on China’s border. The entire point of Iran is US nuclear missiles on Russia’s border.

As far as I can ascertain, hardly anyone is aware that Armageddon is just around the corner. There is no protest from the Western presstitutes, a collection of whores. In the US the only protests are against ancient “civil war” statues, which the ignorant rabble say are symbols of black slavery. There is no peace movement and no peace marches. In London the transgendered and the radical feminists are protesting one another, engaging in fist fights in Hyde Park. No one seems to have any awareness.

In US online propaganda websites such as Americans for Limited Government—funded by who? serving who?—endorse Trump’s destabilizing UN speech as a non-threat to world peace:

“President Trump has provided a cogent and inspiring defense of America and the American constitutional system of governance to the world not as imposition but an example to be followed, while at the same time respecting the sovereignty of other nations. However, the President also made it clear to those nations that threaten humanity with nuclear destruction [which Washington has done to N. Korea and Iran] that the United States will not be held hostage, and continuing down their current paths guarantees their annihilation. While many will focus on Trump’s threat to North Korea and Iran, the real focus of his speech is that it is a call to all nations to embrace their own sovereignty without threatening world peace.”

I have never in my long life read such a misrepresentation of a speech. The United States has become the complete propaganda state. No truth ever emerges.

It is only the US government, which is not a government of the people, that has ever threatened another country with total destruction as Trump did to North Korea in the CIA’s UN speech.

This is a first. It trumps Adolf Hitler. The US has become the 4th Reich. It is doubtful that the world will survive the foreign policy of the United States of America.
 
Yes, it is interesting that PCR blames Russia for not intervening in Ukraine, but that was exactly what the US wished for and Russia did not oblige. Had Russia gotten involved in Ukraine in a major way, then a massive conflict would likely have ensued and NATO would have felt fully justified to pull out the big guns.
 
Aeneas said:
Yes, it is interesting that PCR blames Russia for not intervening in Ukraine, but that was exactly what the US wished for and Russia did not oblige. Had Russia gotten involved in Ukraine in a major way, then a massive conflict would likely have ensued and NATO would have felt fully justified to pull out the big guns.

And the Russians did "intervene" in Ukraine by preventing the bloodshed in Crimea, sending aid to East-Ukraine and all the diplomatic efforts. They just do it in a smart way in order to avoid escalation. So i can't understand PCR's claim that Russians are not taking action. Ever since the coup in Ukraine they've started to more and more visibly oppose US empire. This should be clear when looking all the efforts Russians have done in Syria since 2015.
 
Sadly it seems a lot of smart people in the West, who see the horrors of the Western empire, still are affected on a deeper level by the 'western supremacy' narrative.

I.E. they very much struggle to see Russia and China as anything more than just another bunch of psychopaths, or still subservient to the West, or just part of the new world order.

They will simply never understand that whoever is now running Russia/China (they have a very similar style) are the kind of people who can act with a lot of tact and intelligence. They will make a 10, 20, 30 year plan for the future, and simply get to work silently seeing it through. Piece by piece they will quietly build what they need to, and they will avoid making a big fuss or stepping on anyone's toes when they can. They think many moves ahead, and try very hard to anticipate and understand their enemy. And when the time is right, suddenly they take everyone by surprise.

Now we are in a strange situation where suddenly Russia knows everything and has a very scary military might, and China has come to own half the world just through good business. Nobody even acknowledges this yet, and of those who do, very few saw it coming.

So yeah most analysts will be scrambling for explanations and failing to grasp the deeper truth here - PCR is definitely one of them.
 
It occured to me , that Trump is using N Korea as an excuse,
if russia and china can neutralise that excuse,
it pulls the rug from under trumps attempts to Create trouble.
 
SocietyoftheSpectacle said:
It occured to me , that Trump is using N Korea as an excuse,
if russia and china can neutralise that excuse,
it pulls the rug from under trumps attempts to Create trouble.

Absolutely. N. Korea is a ruse and nothing more in order to justify increased US military in Pacific region to contain China. It's theatrics, and little more. There will be no "nuking" of North Korea, for several reasons, for example, a nuke in N. Korea would contaminate all of the south too. N. Korea probably has a nuke that it could use against US bases there or Japan. The whole situation is ridiculous and part of the dying Empire's last stand.
 
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