Possible war between Kosovo and Serbia?
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An article explaining the situation between Serbia and Kosovo, translated into English. - Original in Russian is from Rossa Primavera News Agency
Situation in Kosovo. Conflict between Belgrade and Pristina in 2021-2022 - Essence of Time
If Serbia responds to the threats, it will have to say goodbye to its dreams of EU membership. If there will be no response, this will start the change in the country's policy
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Corvus
Dagobah Resident
Bosnia is an artificial entity created by US after the war, if it were not for the west croatian parts would belong to Croatia and serbian to Serbs what was and initially agreed bilaterally between them but US used muslims there to create chaos and create as many small weak states because there croats and serbs cooperated very much against muslims and radical muslims that were imported from middle east, and now Turkey protects them. Kosovo like Bosnia are states that will exist only while US has influence, and it s influence is wanning so the things will balance itself in the end and take it s natural course. It is far from Monaco because it is all poor and full of corruption, and what does if a country has many islands to do with Epstein???
Well, Henry Kissinger said that things will change in August 2022.
It looks a little like World War I: Former Secretary of State
Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger discusses his latest book ‘Leadership’ and the current situation in Ukraine on ‘Special Report.’
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He essentially assessed where the war in Ukraine is now and suggested both sides are kind of fortifying and things will probably heat up in August. "Big decisions will be made". Said neither side (Russia, NATO) could afford to lose.
hollenoaea
Jedi
History of Bosnia and Herzegovina - Wikipedia
The Prime Minister of Kosovo is trying to involve the Russians. Here are some excerpts from the article below:
“Putin’s aim is to expand the conflict in other parts of the world,” she said. “Since his aim has constantly been to destabilize Europe, we can expect that one of his targets might be the Western Balkans.”
Serbia is, after all, a historic Russian ally and, in Osmani’s words, “fertile ground” for Putin’s influence operations. While most of Europe’s leaders have pursued hostile measures against the Kremlin, Vucic has not. He refused to join the E.U. sanctions regime on Russia. He inked a lucrative gas deal with Moscow earlier this summer even as the rest of the continent is trying to wean itself off Russian energy exports. And as his own nationalist rule has led to an erosion of Serbian democracy and mounting concerns over press freedom, Vucic has also allowed Russian state propaganda outfits to remain operating in Serbia. They play a significant role in fueling polarization in the region.
“They have chosen their path,” Osmani said. “At this time, the Putin path and the European Union path are two different paths and have never been further apart and you can’t walk on both.
“Putin’s aim is to expand the conflict in other parts of the world,” she said. “Since his aim has constantly been to destabilize Europe, we can expect that one of his targets might be the Western Balkans.”
Serbia is, after all, a historic Russian ally and, in Osmani’s words, “fertile ground” for Putin’s influence operations. While most of Europe’s leaders have pursued hostile measures against the Kremlin, Vucic has not. He refused to join the E.U. sanctions regime on Russia. He inked a lucrative gas deal with Moscow earlier this summer even as the rest of the continent is trying to wean itself off Russian energy exports. And as his own nationalist rule has led to an erosion of Serbian democracy and mounting concerns over press freedom, Vucic has also allowed Russian state propaganda outfits to remain operating in Serbia. They play a significant role in fueling polarization in the region.
“They have chosen their path,” Osmani said. “At this time, the Putin path and the European Union path are two different paths and have never been further apart and you can’t walk on both.
A good summary of the situation:
Some of the points made here:
- Many countries, including some EU countries, around the world do not recognise Kosovo's independence.
-Serbia is surrounded by deeply unstable countries, created by the West.
-"Human rights laws does provide protections for people's identities, ethnicities, their connections to their home, their feelings of being themselves, and these have clearly been violated."
-Vucic, for the most part, has been able to walk the tightrope between Russia and the EU.
-Similarities between Kosovo and Crimea. Vucic said the declaration of independence by Kosovo was a violation of international law. However, the West has recognised it, therefore its dependence is declared legal. Why then, won't they recognise independence of Crimea or Donbass when a significant amount of countries do?
-Things are not going well in Ukraine, so another distraction is needed. It will also make the Russians lose their focus on Ukraine and allow the West to open up a second front against them. This would be a huge mistake, as we would only be opening up a second front against ourselves, perhaps igniting a fuse lighting a fire in all of the western Balkans. This is not a sustainable position.
- There are, however, unlike the Neocons, too many in the West want to keep this under control, so de-escalation is probable.
- This all illustrates how Washington is more interested in lighting fires, rather than putting them out.
Some of the points made here:
- Many countries, including some EU countries, around the world do not recognise Kosovo's independence.
-Serbia is surrounded by deeply unstable countries, created by the West.
-"Human rights laws does provide protections for people's identities, ethnicities, their connections to their home, their feelings of being themselves, and these have clearly been violated."
-Vucic, for the most part, has been able to walk the tightrope between Russia and the EU.
-Similarities between Kosovo and Crimea. Vucic said the declaration of independence by Kosovo was a violation of international law. However, the West has recognised it, therefore its dependence is declared legal. Why then, won't they recognise independence of Crimea or Donbass when a significant amount of countries do?
-Things are not going well in Ukraine, so another distraction is needed. It will also make the Russians lose their focus on Ukraine and allow the West to open up a second front against them. This would be a huge mistake, as we would only be opening up a second front against ourselves, perhaps igniting a fuse lighting a fire in all of the western Balkans. This is not a sustainable position.
- There are, however, unlike the Neocons, too many in the West want to keep this under control, so de-escalation is probable.
- This all illustrates how Washington is more interested in lighting fires, rather than putting them out.
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The Living Force
In Kosovo as in Ukraine, the same Western ‘invisible hand’ foments conflict
In both cases, the West put no pressure on the side it supports to adhere to signed international deals
US NATO soldiers patrol next to Kosovo police near the border between Kosovo and Serbia on October 2, 2021 © ARMEND NIMANI / AFP
In addition to the conflict in Ukraine, Europe is now faced with the prospect of renewed conflict in Kosovo, Serbia’s breakaway province (officially named Kosovo and Metohija according to the Serbian constitution). Kosovo’s unilateral secession was recognized by the main Western powers in 2008. This came nine years after NATO’s attack on Serbia and the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, after which NATO forces occupied the province and helped install an ethnic Albanian-led government dominated by former members of the Kosovo Liberation Army terrorist organization.
The current crisis was triggered by Kosovo’s ethnic Albanian Prime Minister, Albin Kurti, who initially wanted to force the majority Serb population in the north of the region to accept Kosovan license plates and ID papers starting from August 1, and to ban entry to the province or issue temporary papers to travelers with Serbian-issued plates and documents.
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Kosovo delays crackdown on Serbs
Kurti attempted a similar stunt in September 2021, triggering a crisis where local Serbs in northern Kosovo organized roadblocks and Kosovo police reportedly beat up and intimidated Serb civilians, while the authorities in Belgrade put the Serbian military on high alert and ordered overflights by fighter planes over the administrative border between Serbia proper and Kosovo. The EU eventually brokered a temporary agreement, pending a final deal that was supposed to have been reached by April 2022, under EU auspices. However, nothing has come of that.
From Kosovo to Ukraine, it seems there’s a pattern regarding agreements in which Western powers have a hand. Since the start of this year’s special military operation in Ukraine, Russian officials have repeated time and again that the West had never pressed Kiev to fulfill its part of the 2015 Minsk 2 peace agreement, intended to end Kiev’s standoff with the Donbass republics. Recently, former Ukrainian president Pyotr Poroshenko openly admitted that Ukraine never intended to fulfill the agreement but was merely buying time until it could build up an army capable of overrunning Donbass.
The situation with Kosovo is not much different. The EU brokered an agreement between Pristina and Belgrade in April 2013, the so-called Brussels Agreement, by which Serbia was supposed to dismantle its “parallel” police and judicial structures in Kosovo and convince the Kosovo Serbs to accept integration into the Kosovo police and legal system, without recognizing the territory’s independence. And the Belgrade authorities did this, despite a large public outcry over the move.
However, there was a second part to the agreement, by which Pristina was obligated to form an Association of Serb Municipalities, with substantial local powers and ties to Serbia proper. The Albanian part of the Brussels Agreement has not been fulfilled to the present day. Or, as Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic noted on July 31, that 3,390 days have passed since the Brussels Agreement was signed, and still no sign of the Association.
As in the case of Ukraine, the collective West has put absolutely zero pressure on the side it supports to fulfill its part of a signed international agreement. And again, as in the case of Ukraine, this has encouraged Pristina to take an increasingly belligerent stance, which may very well lead to a more serious conflict.
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NATO force on alert amid Kosovo tensions
There’s an additional ingredient to the Kosovo mix, thanks to the Ukraine conflict. Namely, the Serbs – both in Serbia and in Bosnia and Herzegovina – stand practically alone among European peoples in refusing to join Western sanctions against Russia, and in consistently demonstrating open support for Russia’s special military operation in Ukraine. As a result, the government in Belgrade has been under constant, increasing pressure by the main Western capitals, as well as the EU and NATO, to change its policy and join the West’s collective economic suicide.
Since Belgrade has proven to be a tough nut for the West to diplomatically crack when it comes to opposing Russia, it’s not at all far-fetched to imagine that the Kosovo Albanians just might be seen by the West as a useful tool by which to additionally turn the screws on Belgrade. In the same cynical way in which the unfortunate Ukrainians are being used to pressure and weaken Russia.
The coming days and weeks will certainly tell us a great deal. The temporary reprieve brought on by the Kosovo authorities’ one-month postponement of their ban on Serbian license plates and identification documents until September 1 may seem encouraging. However, it should always be borne in mind that the West has all the tools necessary to pressure Pristina to fulfill the Brussels Agreement and generally, to just behave. Kosovo is totally dependent on a steady flow of Western financial infusions and NATO’s security support.
The Serbian president has publicly stated that Serbia is not interested in a renewed conflict but won’t allow its people to be harmed and abused by Kosovo’s security apparatus. If the main Western powers don’t rein in Kurti and, instead of pressing him to fulfill previously signed agreements, allow him to use force and make his announced unilateral moves come September, or even earlier, it can mean at least a couple of things: 1) that the threat of new violence in Kosovo was used by the West to extract some more concessions from Belgrade, perhaps behind the scenes, having to do with the formation of a new Serbian government, or 2) that the West’s beleaguered political elites want and, perhaps, desperately need the breakout of another conflict in Europe. Or perhaps even both of these.
The only thing that is, unfortunately, difficult to imagine, is the US and the EU actually doing something to fundamentally contribute to a peaceful resolution to this crisis.
hollenoaea
Jedi
This red what is called Serbia, it was Federal Republic of Yugoslavia until 2003, and then it became Serbia, and Monte Negro as UN and the Western world didn't want to allow them to use the name from ex Yugoslavia in order to avoid legal property possible disputes around ownership of Yugoslavian socialist companies and properties made by people and workers ... so it was not Serbia.
Why I am writing this ... maybe it can sound like a small notice, but still not. I feel even in the forum; there is still a great confusion and chaotic emotional response to this big tragedy done to us in this last war and through those 30 years where we have been genocide by our own governments. and we still can't truly understand what happens, what the prospect of all this shit and EU etc ... is etc ... the level of confusion in ex Yugoslavia is still very tragic.
It is essential not to confuse Yugoslavia for Serbia in this last fall, as that is how it is abused to continue narative around Serbs as evil and nationalistic, like Russians.
We Yugoslavs and Tito Yugoslavia was what EU is faking to be, and Bosnia used to be in the past and in Yugoslavia, a little cosmopolitan oasis of all cultures and worlds in one body ... Bosnia is a dream country ... simply amazing! ... and our life in Socialist Yugoslavia from today's perspective looks like a dream that was real ....
if humanity can pause a little bit to learn from us, it will be amazing! But how??? How can we tell our story??? It is all so sad ...
Well, you have to count in recent political turmoil within the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegowina (that's the 51% entity within Bosnia and Herzegowina) where for years Croat minority wasn't allowed to elect their political representative, and using legislative manipulations Bosnian Croat representative is elected by Bosniak Muslims majority. Recently Croats have proposed a change in electoral legislation allowing them to choose their representatives, which is strongly opposed by ruling Bosniak Muslims so tension is growing here also before the upcoming October elections. Things are heating to the point that Bosniak Muslim leader Bakir Izetbegović (son of Alija Izetbegović) recently stated that Bosnia should count on its military capabilities and be prepared. Knowing that both Croatia and the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegowina are US/NATO puppet states, this new rise in tension between the two nations is nothing more than just another example of the deep state firing up old divisions. It would be interesting to see Balkans burning naturally, eh?
hollenoaea
Jedi
Last night it was a shooting with kalasnikov in West Herzegovina. The main guy from the Herzegovina part of Tuđan Nato party = HDZ - the foremost leading and governing nationalistic political option in Croatia and corrupted Balkan octopus and NATO and USA allies, was killed tonight in the cafee called "Dragon - Zmaj" at the willage called "stone rocks - Grude" by the guy from the willage called "little owls" - sovići.
All happened after the village party - dernek - a traditional celebration dedicated to the main saint from the village that was here yesterday St. Stephen ... they said it was a kind of dispute, alcohol, the guy went back home to take a Kalashnikov to open fire on all in that bar ... almost like in Kusturica movies.
Couldn't find English news yet, but it is good for those who are interested to follow regional portals too as usually the news for the west is totally different than what they serve to us here.
All happened after the village party - dernek - a traditional celebration dedicated to the main saint from the village that was here yesterday St. Stephen ... they said it was a kind of dispute, alcohol, the guy went back home to take a Kalashnikov to open fire on all in that bar ... almost like in Kusturica movies.
Couldn't find English news yet, but it is good for those who are interested to follow regional portals too as usually the news for the west is totally different than what they serve to us here.
Can you tell us a bit more about Tito and Yugoslavia. I think that overall he was a good guy and it was a good country, hence their destruction, but I don't have a lot of knowledge about these topics.
hollenoaea
Jedi
Uh hahah ... YEs, thank you for asking, and sorry for laughing ... I can try to make in the upcoming days a selection of good videos, movies, and articles that can give you a better idea about Tito and Yugoslavia. It is very complex indeed, and even I am not quite sure about TITO. Was it already the infiltration of the west to this part of the world, or did he manages to get out of their mind control, or was he super mind controlled... so:
Let's for the beginning start with the movie Cinema Comunisto
It is the perfect introduction to Yugoslavia and Tito from this NWO perspective. and maybe form these questions can arise, we can analyze and discuss to see how the media is used and abused to create this situation...
I am in the same profession as his granddaughter, we know each other, but she is "unavailable" and very arrogant person .. like a sort of princes and regional establishment artist ... and my good friend is an uncle from the family of one of Tito's many brother's sisters ... which is still not really 100% clear as he is even from Croatia or not? Or the whole story about his birthplace and the poor family is made up. ...
So all to all not an easy analysis, but I will try.
Olivierlejardinier
Jedi Council Member
Hi, from wiki's entry (french): Josip Broz Tito : after WWII "He calculates that by playing on the competition of the two giants, Soviet and American, he can obtain independence."
Between a rock and a hard place
From the same article : "Tito made his birthday coincide with that of the national holiday and in 1974, the new constitution declared in its article 333 that it was "because of his historical role in national liberation" that Tito was appointed president for life."
And a picture from wiki(english) , Tito (left) and his ideological mentor Moša Pijade while in the Lepoglava jail (1928-1934)
