Coup d'Etat in Spain?
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Ok, this is the article.
http://capitalismorevelado.wordpress.com/2012/06/10/conexiones-entre-el-15m-y-el-entorno-politico-economico-globalista/
In this article we can see that behind all movements, particularly the 15M, are big corporations with interesting links to some of this agencies that are attached to big american corporations. This is a long article with many links.
Some of this agencies are related to the Rockefeller, Monsanto, etc. They are not just here, in Spain but they are everywhere because they are the same that are messing all the economies of this our planet: South America, Africa, Asia. In Spain they have infiltrated the 15M but also other groups that "supposedly" wanted change in this society.
I am thinking again and again of the Civil War here, in 1936. The same pattern where every group, movement, association, union... were manipulated, and behind all of them we can see political international groups and different big corporations. I am not an expert of this subject but I think again I will read one book that I remember talking and analyzing this: Homage to Catalonia by Orwell.
http://capitalismorevelado.wordpress.com/2012/06/10/conexiones-entre-el-15m-y-el-entorno-politico-economico-globalista/
In this article we can see that behind all movements, particularly the 15M, are big corporations with interesting links to some of this agencies that are attached to big american corporations. This is a long article with many links.
Some of this agencies are related to the Rockefeller, Monsanto, etc. They are not just here, in Spain but they are everywhere because they are the same that are messing all the economies of this our planet: South America, Africa, Asia. In Spain they have infiltrated the 15M but also other groups that "supposedly" wanted change in this society.
I am thinking again and again of the Civil War here, in 1936. The same pattern where every group, movement, association, union... were manipulated, and behind all of them we can see political international groups and different big corporations. I am not an expert of this subject but I think again I will read one book that I remember talking and analyzing this: Homage to Catalonia by Orwell.
Basque Seeker
Jedi
loreta said:
Very interesting article full of links with which you can follow what the author is saying and checking it yourself. Thanks loreta!!
Basque Seeker said:
Yes, interesting article, thanks loreta!!
Basque Seeker
Jedi
Hi guys, I have posted some data regarding this Spaniard "John Doe" and his disiformant website "mundoconmisojos" on the COINTELPRO section of the forum, if you want to take a look. It's really disgusting though.
_http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,28522.0.html
_http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,28522.0.html
caballero reyes
The Living Force
I just saw on television, in Spain police repression against those who were demonstrating against the measures taken by the spanish prime minister Mariano Rajoy. It's amazing that people pay to a body of police to supress that so unjustly. I thought that the spanish people had already enough suffering.
The measures of Rajoy, another psychopathic, are a well without bottom. There is a problem in Spain: after 40 years of dictatorship, you would think that Spaniards have learn something. But the contrary is true in fact because the same people that were then are still now in power. And when you refuse to think about what happened in the past you risk to repeat the same errors. And in this country talking about the past is a taboo. It is a road you can not take. Spaniards, I think (it is a personal point of vue, maybe I am wrong) have difficulty with criticism, they always see criticism negatively, they suffer from pride. Politicians are a mirror, always.
This government will make us suffer very much. Will we learn something? I hope. Not all Spaniards are suffering from pride, that's for sure. But the majority, yes. And politicians played with this pride (we are the best, we are very good, we are the best country in Europe, bla, bla, bla). Now the reality is coming but I think it is too late.
This government will make us suffer very much. Will we learn something? I hope. Not all Spaniards are suffering from pride, that's for sure. But the majority, yes. And politicians played with this pride (we are the best, we are very good, we are the best country in Europe, bla, bla, bla). Now the reality is coming but I think it is too late.
Basque Seeker
Jedi
loreta said:
Precisely, because the "official spanish government" is composed by the sons of the dictator's henchmen.
loreta said:
Well, I'm not sure. Of course I know many Spaniards that are foolishly proud of being Spaniards (typical patriotic behaviour common in many countries), but I don't know what is the specific problem with Spaniard types... Because I know too lots of Spaniards that refuse to feel that way (they don't feel that patriotic feeling, though they are not Catalonian, Basque nor Galician nationalists).
I think the problem with them is that they are accustomed to "living the life" and "carpe diem". You can interfere in many ways in the life of the Spaniards, you can cut some of their rights with no problem, you can convince them to make amazing sacrifices, provided you don't take away their "fiesta" and their taberns.
I did not mean patriotic when I talk about pride. Pride has no nationality per se. Pride is something that goes far beyond your nationality. Pride in the sense that they think they are the best. They are not capable of reevaluate themselves. In French (sorry....) there is the perfect expression for that: se remettre en question. I saw this in my family, in my companions at work, in politicians and in politics. And politicians, that are apes, expressed this pride when for example they say: we are the best country in Europe, we have the best banks in the world.... ^Pride when they feel insecure when you are from another culture, when you give another point of vue they feel hounded. But maybe I was not lucky to find people with a open mind.
Basque Seeker
Jedi
Yes, maybe, I think I'm lucky since that point of view, because I have met many Spaniards with an open mind, but of course I haven´t met tons of them willing to discuss about the conspiracy theory, aliens and cassiopaea experiment, that would be too much luck!! :)
loreta said:
The above is right on target. And 4 years later... Rajoy again. I've been reading the reactions of people in social media, it is truly sad. Some people are very angry, others disillusioned, others devastated. Well, at least people have an idea of what to expect, or at least one would hope.
Spain's Conservative PP wins rerun election, Podemos upset by surprisingly low results
_https://www.rt.com/news/348495-spain-elections-podemos-brexit/
Gaby said:
Spain is smelling very bad these days. I am very concerned that if it is true that there are creating a lie of state these days, PP and PSOE are not the architects, again, "others" have come here to change the history of Spain to fit the alternate reality of West... This is bad news for the Spanish people and the other peoples of Europe ... there is no possibility of "change" even on a small scale because of "They" are not going to allow it. Ok, we just know that, but it is not the question now.
I worry about the script that "the creators of reality" would be writing about the conspiracy theory of fraud in elections in Spain. Once again, the people are the guilty, represented here by the jerks/stupid PP voters who have been stealing votes in the polling stations of the Spanish towns.
I have the impression that someone from "outside" has come to Spain to do "something" and now PP, PSOE, the media, and even PODEMOS are cleaning up the debris left by the operation and doing damage control.
Sorry for my extension but I don't know how we must approach this issue in Spanish Sott. I don't want to follow the game of the elite, and I don't know how to talk about "something" I do not know what it is nor I have no evidence of any kind to prove it.
Whether we ignore the issue as if we echo the different information about the alleged rigging of the Spanish elections, I feel that we are following the game of the psychopaths.
Maybe I'm going crazy, it is another possibility
:P But I need help. What should SOTT Spanish do?[Moderators: Feel free to change this message of thread if you think that this is not the correct place]
IMO, this discussion goes very well here. I think your analysis hits the nail in the head.
Unfortunately people get easily distracted and are easily manipulated by the media. Everybody is pointing fingers and people's mood is rather dark.
The majority of people are missing the big geopolitical context. It reminds me how I never read an analysis about a possible Mossad involvement in the Madrid terrorist attacks anywhere else, except for SOTT.
The best explanation about the Spanish Civil War that I was able to come across came from a foreigner. And what loreta wrote above seems to be shining by its absence for the majority of people. I think it is very sad how the elderly and not so elderly remember clearly how they had to fight against their brothers during the Spanish Civil War and how they were jailed for treason. Yet, one or two generations afterwards, nobody seems to remember that the same "divide and conquer" rules this land. For me it is shocking to see how the elderly remember the Spanish Civil War so clearly and how the current generation acts as if never happened, or if it happened, it was in another alternative reality. It strikes me that they don't have a clue about their current reality even when all the signs are in front of their faces.
The jokes after the election have been described as "acid humor" by RT. Yet, one might understandably want to cry before finally laughing out loud. It has come to the point that only humor can make the current climate bearable.
Coming back to the issue at hand, I think it is important to remind people of "who benefits". At least if we can keep that signal high among ourselves, it would be progress. People are going hysterical and it only promises to get worse in the next few years.
Reading people's reactions on fb has been heartbreaking. Here is a google translation of one that was very striking to me:
:( The above status belongs to someone who knows about psychopaths in power.
Perhaps we can write an editorial of "Who Benefits" as an exercise of thinking with the hammer. An editorial comment could be written to clarify that it is about that, a thinking exercise of seeing the larger geopolitical context and not necessarily hard core evidence of direct involvement of the PTB in Spain's election. I think that in the end, readers would appreciate that. In retrospect, this is something that constantly comes up in our chat discussions at Spanish SOTT radio network.
It is like putting the whole Spanish election context under the microscope. This reminds me of Lobaczewski's example of a biologist examining a microbe under the microscope.
I think it will be interesting if data is gathered which suggests that Podemos had a higher probability of more votes. Essentially, how that alternative reality didn't materialized.
I think that highlighting one way or another what loreta explained 4 years ago is important. I had the privilege to experience this realization within the last 4 years and it is truly saddening to realize how few really understand.
My 0.2 cents!
Unfortunately people get easily distracted and are easily manipulated by the media. Everybody is pointing fingers and people's mood is rather dark.
The majority of people are missing the big geopolitical context. It reminds me how I never read an analysis about a possible Mossad involvement in the Madrid terrorist attacks anywhere else, except for SOTT.
The best explanation about the Spanish Civil War that I was able to come across came from a foreigner. And what loreta wrote above seems to be shining by its absence for the majority of people. I think it is very sad how the elderly and not so elderly remember clearly how they had to fight against their brothers during the Spanish Civil War and how they were jailed for treason. Yet, one or two generations afterwards, nobody seems to remember that the same "divide and conquer" rules this land. For me it is shocking to see how the elderly remember the Spanish Civil War so clearly and how the current generation acts as if never happened, or if it happened, it was in another alternative reality. It strikes me that they don't have a clue about their current reality even when all the signs are in front of their faces.
The jokes after the election have been described as "acid humor" by RT. Yet, one might understandably want to cry before finally laughing out loud. It has come to the point that only humor can make the current climate bearable.
Coming back to the issue at hand, I think it is important to remind people of "who benefits". At least if we can keep that signal high among ourselves, it would be progress. People are going hysterical and it only promises to get worse in the next few years.
Reading people's reactions on fb has been heartbreaking. Here is a google translation of one that was very striking to me:
:( The above status belongs to someone who knows about psychopaths in power.
Orange Scorpion said:
Perhaps we can write an editorial of "Who Benefits" as an exercise of thinking with the hammer. An editorial comment could be written to clarify that it is about that, a thinking exercise of seeing the larger geopolitical context and not necessarily hard core evidence of direct involvement of the PTB in Spain's election. I think that in the end, readers would appreciate that. In retrospect, this is something that constantly comes up in our chat discussions at Spanish SOTT radio network.
It is like putting the whole Spanish election context under the microscope. This reminds me of Lobaczewski's example of a biologist examining a microbe under the microscope.
I think it will be interesting if data is gathered which suggests that Podemos had a higher probability of more votes. Essentially, how that alternative reality didn't materialized.
I think that highlighting one way or another what loreta explained 4 years ago is important. I had the privilege to experience this realization within the last 4 years and it is truly saddening to realize how few really understand.
My 0.2 cents!
Every person I talked to told me they don't understand why the PP won the elections. But I see a sort of acceptance, inclining the head, like: oh, well. Spaniards are tired. I ask myself: are the 40 years of terror under the Franco regime the reason that Spaniards are accepting all of this garbage? I really don't know. And you are right Gaby, nobody that I know or anywhere that I read, talked about the participation of NATO in the massacre of the trains. And it is as if this tragedy is forgotten. How come can people forget something like that?
I think one problem in Spain is the difficulty for this country to look at her shadow. If people have shadows countries also. (I am reading about the Wetico that's why I think about the Shadow of a country that is also the shadow of the people of the country). Can it be ?
Spain is a very strange country, and it is very interesting to see how little by little, when you look at it, you discover the psychopathy and the psychopaths. Little by little the regime of the PP is like a virus that made people accepting anything, forgetting the past. Just some movements are fighting to make justice for the victims of the past, retaking the History but they have many difficulties because the law is against them. The PP is a regime of extreme right, very strong and very cruel. People are living under it but the majority are like in a cloud. And now for 4 more years, what we will see? This is horrible.
I think one problem in Spain is the difficulty for this country to look at her shadow. If people have shadows countries also. (I am reading about the Wetico that's why I think about the Shadow of a country that is also the shadow of the people of the country). Can it be ?
Spain is a very strange country, and it is very interesting to see how little by little, when you look at it, you discover the psychopathy and the psychopaths. Little by little the regime of the PP is like a virus that made people accepting anything, forgetting the past. Just some movements are fighting to make justice for the victims of the past, retaking the History but they have many difficulties because the law is against them. The PP is a regime of extreme right, very strong and very cruel. People are living under it but the majority are like in a cloud. And now for 4 more years, what we will see? This is horrible.
