Was Julius Caesar the real Jesus Christ?

The Gospel of Caesar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwfY069iPVI

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ska said:

When i click on it, says it's unavailable. It it just my computer d'you htink? am i doing something wrong?

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ka said:

Hi, Palinurus and all:

I’ve been following this thread with great excitement from its inception, having read on my own in various related directions on and off for many years.

So, when Palinurus mentioned the Varus War in a response to the Cassiopaean Session of 10/11/2014, I recognized that it was something I needed to know about. When I did an internet search on it, the ONLY thing it fetched up that actually addressed the subject was on a website put out by the Association for Scriptural Knowledge:

http://www.askelm.com/star/star012.htm

This link brings up a chapter about the Varus War; the book it’s from, The Star of Bethlehem, by author Ernest L. Martin, has lots of other related information. I can’t imagine the Cass research team isn’t aware of this, but just in case, I thought I’d mention it.

Another of Martin’s books is posted, The People That History Forgot; it treats the mélange of religious practices going on in the Near East along with early Christianity, with demographic information about the people practicing them, as well as an account of how these people emigrated into Rome and further into Europe.

I’ve only begun to read the material. But the author seems NOT to be a slave to any Big Agenda. What I’ve read so far seems like honest scholarship, and the historical sources he uses are solid. He discusses the chronological difficulties, and he has a background in astronomy that he brings to the material.

We may not come to the same conclusions he does, but his work seems worth looking into.

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Palinurus said:

I hope to post really soon about it elsewhere but I cannot do so until I've first read those sources and fully understood their implications, in order to make a contribution to the Historical Events Database thread that's really worthwhile for others and for the project as a whole.

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It's not your computer, the video isn't available anymore at that location. try _http://youtu.be/gvga-98x6Nk instead.

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Alexander the Great's birth had been "immaculately conceived" and then "celestially announced." He was a precocious youth that confounded his elders. He railed against conventional thinking (orthodoxy) and was revered everywhere, except by his own family and home town. His campaign began with a wedding. He cast out demons and was accused of having a demon. He fed the multitudes and spoke in parables. He was particularly fond of the mustard seed. He traveled incessantly. He prayed for those that spitefully used him. He walked on water and calmed the tempest. He was warned against entering his capital, but approached his prophesized demise with eager resolve. He was lifted up into the "heavens" and also descended to the "underworld." His higher calling was to attain a faraway kingdom, and one that could only be gained through a symbolic death and ascension. He comforted and later appeared to his followers. He moved mountains and enveloped those who believed in him from the onslaught of the godless. Sound familiar?

Jesus of the New Testament was deliberately styled as an Alexander for his own generation. Moreover, he was endowed with all of the good qualities of Alexander and none of the bad. Jesus is depicted as a rehabilitated Alexander, and therefore in a sense, an even greater "god-king" than Alexander. Olympias (Mura), the "virgin mother" of Alexander became a pattern for Mary mother of Jesus. Roxane, the bride that Alexander claimed by storming a high fortress, prefigured Mary Magdalene, "Lady of the Tower." All of Christ's disciples (later Apostles) were also typecast after the companions (later "Successors") and other intimates of Alexander. Hephaestion foreshadowed John the Beloved; Perdiccas the "first leader" after Alexander's "Passion" provided inspiration for James the Just (first head of the Church). The inspiration for Peter was supplied by Seleucus, who had cause to repeatedly deny Alexander's claims of divine kingship, but later built his empire and his cult following. The role of Ptolemy the evangelist of Alexander was played by Paul. And the list goes on.

Many books have been written about the death of Alexander the Great and who was responsible. None have ever examined clear textual evidence from The Life of Alexander of Macedon (also known as the "Alexander Romance") that Alexander did not literally die in Babylon in the year 323 BC, but conceded his claim of kingship in the West in order to finish his coveted conquest of India and the Far East. He would not resume his mission under the name of Alexander, but under the contemporary Indian name of Chandra-Gupta, whose career dovetails perfectly with that of Alexander. Chandra-Gupta defeated Seleucus in battle and became the very first Emperor of India. By laying down his life in Babylon (just prior to his 33rd birthday), Alexander ultimately was able to "take it back up again" and fulfill all he desired in the decades (and kingdoms) that were to come. Within a generation of Alexander's presumed death he was being proclaimed the undisputed "Ruler of the World," and he maintained that lofty status in perpetuity. In doing so, Alexander established a formula for future world-beaters, including even the Roman Caesar, the Jewish Jesus, and the Islamic Muhammad to follow. Consistent with this, Alexander has been held in the highest esteem by all our major world religions.

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I'm only signaling its existence now here for those who might be interested in his angle of approaching these materials. I'm unable to make any judgment about that myself and I feel totally inadequate at the moment vis-a-vis the overwhelming wealth of material amassed on his website -- a feeling I don't experience often I might add.

So, it may well be just another diversion, red herring and a dead end as well; I simply don't know. Sorry about that.

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The Marcionites were the most rigid of ascetics, abstaining from marriage, flesh and wine, the latter being excluded from their Eucharist. They also rejoiced beyond all other sects in the number of their martyrs. The Marcionites have also given us the most ancient dated Christian inscription. It was discovered over the doorway of a house in a Syrian village, and formerly marked the site of a Marcionite meeting-house or church, which curiously enough was called a synagogue. The date is October 1, A.D. 318 and the most remarkable point about it is that the church was dedicated to "The Lord and Saviour Jesus, the Good - "Chrestos", not Christos. In early times there seems to have been much confusion between the two titles. Christos is the Greek for the Hebrew Messiah, Anointed, and was the title used by those who believed that Jesus was the Jewish Messiah. This was denied, not only by the Marcionites, but also by many of their Gnostic predecessors and successors. The title Chrestos was used of one perfected, the holy one, the saint; no doubt in later days the orthodox, who subsequently had the sole editing of the texts, in pure ignorance changed Chrestos into Christos wherever it occurred; so that instead of finding the promise of perfection in the religious history of all the nations, they limited it to the Jewish tradition alone, and struck a fatal blow at the universality of history and doctrine. There was naturally a number of sub-schools of the Marcion school, and in its ranks were a number of distinguished teachers ...

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