Revolution in Ukraine: Western-engineered Coup d'État?

l apprenti de forgeron said:

Alana said:

I too am glad I watched the Buzzsaw, it was nice to see that at least some people have some clue of what is going on. But the lies of the empire have been too many, too outrageous, and been told for so long that it is frightening that more people are not seeing them for what they are.

I am still waiting to hear someone mention how all the money the empire is spending on financing coups/wars/extortion/surveillance etc could have made such a huge difference in the lives of the American people who are currently suffering in so many ways.

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Very agree. Thanks for sharing, Alana.

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Pashalis said:

thorbiorn, could you be more precise on what those maps actually show?
I can not read russian...

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thorbiorn said:

Here follows a map of how the ethnic distribution is in Crimea:
Blue represents Russians, dark red Ukrainians, orange denotes Tatars and purple means other nationalities. There are around 377.000 people in Sevastopol and 358.000 in Simferopol.

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Pashalis said:

thorbiorn, could you be more precise on what those maps actually show?
I can not read russian...

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Blue represents Russians, dark red Ukrainians, orange denotes Tatars and purple means other nationalities. There are around 377.000 people in Sevastopol and 358.000 in Simferopol.

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thorbiorn said:

Pashalis said:

thorbiorn, could you be more precise on what those maps actually show?
I can not read russian...

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Since you use the plural, I explain more about both maps on page 20 of this thread.
Let't first take the one about how the rightwing party did in the 2012 elections:

In this colour grading the darker the colour the more votes the Svoboda party received.
In the left side of the map, for example, which is the area of Western Ukraine, one finds that the colour is dark brown. In order to find out what dark brown means, one takes a look at the lower left of the map where there for each coloured circle are numbers. Next to the darkbrown circle it says "30 +", it means the Svoboda party got more than 30 % of the votes in the areas that are dark brown. Another way of reading the map is to read the number within each sub area of the map. When it near Poland reads 38.01 and 17.98 it means the party got 38.01 % and 17.98 % of the votes in those two electoral districts. Overall the colours are darker in Western Ukraine than in the East; in fact I read elsewhere that the Svoboda parti is the largest party in some districts of Western Ukraine. Of interest is that there is a circle in the middle of the map showing a yellow colour and the number 17.33. which should mean that 17.33% voted for the party in that area. That area is where the capital, Kiev, is located. The average for all Ukraine is indicated in the lower right as 10.44%. In the top right there is a small picture of the world and the number 23.63 signifying 23.63 % The text indicates that this relates to those Ukrainians that live outside of Ukraine and who voted from there.

Next is the map of Crimea, the peninsular in the South of Ukraine, if one compares with the map above:

The title means "Ethnic Distribution of the Population in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea"
The colours I explained as

Blue represents Russians, dark red Ukrainians, orange denotes Tatars and purple means other nationalities. There are around 377.000 people in Sevastopol and 358.000 in Simferopol.

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Sevastopol is located in the lower left corner, Simferopol is more or less in the center, in the direction of the lower-left. The overall size and distribution of the population is indicated by the large circle in the upper right circle. The number 2072 means that there are 2.072.000 inhabitants of which according to the numbers in the circle 58.3 % are Russians, 24,3 % are Ukrainians, 12% Tatars and 5.4 % belong to other nationalities. Hope this explanation helps :)

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Anonymous operations expose Ukrainian Bandera nazis

The Hacktivist Group Anonymous Ukraine has been able to hack the e-mail accounts of the Udar Party as well as the electronic correspondence of the deputy head of the Ukrainian nationalist party, The Stepan Bandera Trident, one Andrey Tarasenko.


Anonymous Ukraine released an e-mail between Tarasenko and the Deputy Chairman of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People Aslan Omer Qirimli in which he asks for more powerful weapons, information on the location weapons caches in Kerch, Feodosia, Simferopol, Sevastopol and Yalta. The e-mail released by Anonymous Ukraine is dated January 28, 2014 so its operational value is questionable but it does show the true nature of the “peaceful demonstrators” on the Maidan and in Ukraine. Anonymous Ukraine has also hacked the e-mails of NATO offices and bodies in Ukraine and those of several US officials operating in Ukraine with more releases soon to appear on the internet, according to sources in Anonymous.

The e-mail between Tarasenko has been independently verified and appears authentic. It has not been translated into English as of publication so this is the first. The original was in Russian with some grammar errors. Unlike Klitschko who speaks English and German as well as Ukrainian and Russia, Tarasenko appears to speak only Russian and Ukrainian.

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"Everything is going according to plan. We are ready to proceed to the second part of the play.”

He referenced the “play” and the “plan” this provides further evidence of the staged and controlled nature of the coup in Ukraine.

“As agreed last week, my guys together with our brothers from the "Carpathian Sich" and UNA-UNSO are ready at first command to take the instruments where they are needed.”

The Carpathian Sich is apparently a new formation that little is known about but the UNA-UNSO is a neo-nazi [sic] nationalist organization, like most “Defense Leagues” and stands for the Ukrainian National Assembly - Ukrainian National Defense. The “instruments” is obviously a reference to weapons and the other “tools” the armed neo-nazis are using to overthrow the government and terrorize the Ukrainian people.

“From you we only need you to identify the coordinates of the caches in Simferopol, Sevastopol, Kerch, Feodosia and Yalta and the times we are to meet.”

This is an important sentence because it shows the compartmentalized nature of the command structure and the cells. Obviously the members are well-trained and judging by their infiltration of the security services and their ties to foreign intelligence and financial sources, as well as public meetings with US officials and intercepted communications there again appears to be the hand of CIA planners at work, however US/NATO/CIA have been extremely careful in covering their tracks, choosing to use German, Turkish and other intermediaries to control their agents in Ukraine.

“Yes, there is one more request. There is a lot of game, we need more hunting gear, helmets and sticks. Do not forget the soda in glass bottles, as well as fuel for them. Also, more gas masks and first aid supplies would not hurt.”

Referring to police and security forces as “game”, as if they are animals, shows how the neo-nazis have dehumanized their targets, also clear from the way they are killing police and beating them to death with steel pipes in the street. His reference to “soda” or “carbonated fluid” is not clear but the follwng request “fuel” might indicate a chemical weapon of some sort, active when mixed.

“I understand that our Turkish friends and have already done a lot, but you know me - I never ask for anything extra.”

The Turkish connection is the most complex but Crimea has long established Turkish- Islamist underground consisting of Crimean Tatars and surprisingly, according to sources, Uighurs from Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of China. The Crimean Tatar groups have long been preparing for the proclamation of an independent state and pursue conflicting goals from the Ukrainian Nationalist. However they are united against one enemy which they must both neutralize, namely the Russian-speaking population of the peninsula. The fact that he says “you know me” shows that they have “worked” together before.

“The game was not easy to scare off and the Molotov cocktails do not work on them. We need something more serious. I hope you understand me.”

Again calling the police and law enforcement “game” is chilling and his call for something more serious is obviously a reference to either heavier weapons or possibly some sort of homemade or other “chemical weapon” as I stated earlier.

“As for the money, do not worry: everything will be in the best possible form, but at a later date. In the end, you know that if we are successful you will get a lot more."

This sentence appears to show that money has already changed hands but that currently the neo-nazis may be short of funds. Saying the “best form” apparently implies that there are several methods of payment acceptable but one is preferred. The fact that they will pay much more later shows they have already agreed on a sum but that they will pay more.

Statement from Anonymous Ukraine

Greetings citizens of the world. We are Anonymous Ukraine.

Divisions within Anonymous worldwide and Anonymous Ukraine have been resolved as Anons see more and more evidence of the forces at work in Ukraine. Members of Anonymous Ukraine are working to uncover and expose to the world the internal meddling by the United States, NATO, the European Union, the NSA and the CIA into the internal sovereign affairs of Ukraine.

Anonymous Ukraine continues to support peace and the right of the people of Ukraine to self determination. The Bandera Nazis and fascist thugs that are pretending to be the voice of the people will be stopped. Murderers and fascist thugs who kill police and members of the security services of Ukraine do not represent the will or the wishes of the people of Ukraine.

The people of Ukraine do not want European Union integration. The people of Ukraine do not want NATO on their territory. The people of Ukraine voted for President Yanukovich to lead them in fair and just democratic elections.

The people of Ukraine plea to the President and to Russia for help in stopping the siege of Ukraine by Nazi thugs and murderous gangs. The people of Ukraine do not want to see their beloved capital Kiev occupied by Nazi killers and burned to the ground. The people of Ukraine ask for order to be restored. The people of Ukraine want their independence to be recognized and be allowed to determine their own fate without pressure from US, NATO, European Union. The people of Ukraine want peace and want the Bandera Nazis to be stopped once and for all.

Anonymous Ukraine does not like nor support what is happening in Ukraine now. Anonymous Ukraine thanks President Putin for protecting President Yanukovich and asks him to restore order.

The so-called opposition is tearing Ukraine apart. Anonymous Ukraine will continue to expose the moves by the west to subvert the sovereign country of Ukraine. The latest e mails released by Anonymous prove that the Bandera Nazis are allied with Islamic extremists. We will continue fighting these puppets. The western puppet opposition leaders will lead to the breakup of Ukraine.

We appeal to the president of our country. The people of Ukraine urge you. President Yanukovich, to return to Ukraine and restore order and bring calm and stability and disperse the gangs of robbers and Nazis. Anonymous Ukraine will strike at all of the web resources of western hirelings and fascists.

Anonymous Ukraine calls for Ukraine to be unified and independent. The government of Ukraine promoted the country's integration into Euro-Atlantic institutions despite the reluctance of Ukrainian people. Ukrainian citizens realize that signing of the Association Agreement with the European Union will lead to the collapse of Ukrainian economy in the near future. We express our support to the people of our country. We want Ukrainian government and EU leadership to understand that people of Ukraine do not want their country to become a raw material donor to Europe.

Ukraine must be free. We do not want to be dependent on other countries or organizations. Ukrainian people do not need a speculative Association Agreement with the European Union. Ukraine does not need the International Monetary Fund or the western banksters and their conditions. We do not need to be servants of NATO. Ukraine does not need European Union. Ukraine does not need NATO. Ukraine should not be anybody's servant.

The Russian people of Ukraine make up a hardworking and intelligent part of Ukrainian society. The Russian people are brothers and sisters to the Ukrainian people. We do not support demonizing the Russian people. We do not support making the Russian language illegal and we do not support the destruction of monuments and churches by the Bandera Nazis.

We stand for independent Ukraine. We declare the continuation of Operation Independence. We will strike at the web resources of countries and organizations that pose a threat to freedom and independence of Ukraine!

The Bandera Nazis did not listen. They have proven the weak cowards that we knew they were. They can continue to expect us. We will continue to take their sites down and publish every communication they make. Anyone who supports them can also soon expect us.

Operation Independence continues… You should have expected us

We are Anonymous Ukraine.

We are the Real Patriots of Ukraine

We are Legion.

We Do Not Forgive.

We Do Not Forget.

Do Not Expect Us.

We Are Already Here.

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_http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/130712/poland-rules-wwii-massacre-ukraine-not-genocide said:

Poland rules WWII massacre by Ukraine not genocideThe Polish parliament Friday stopped short of calling the massacre of 100,000 Poles by Ukrainian nationalists seven decades ago a genocide, hoping to maintain warm ties with Kiev ahead of a free trade deal.

Between 1942 and 1945, members of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) hacked Polish victims to death and drowned women, children and the elderly in wells in the Wolyn region of what is now northwest Ukraine.

A special resolution tabled by the conservative oppositon called for the bloodshed to be defined as genocide, but on Friday parliament opted instead for the more cautious wording of "ethnic cleansing characterised by signs of genocide".

The resolution was adopted by a majority of 263 votes in favour, 33 against and 146 abstentions. Not all deputies in the 460-seat chamber were present.

Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski urged the adoption of the softer version of the resolution to keep relations amicable as Kiev hopes to clinch a landmark association and free trade accord with the EU this year.

"If we adopt a more rigid position, if we adopt the more radical resolution, it will hurt Ukraine's European drive," he said ahead of the vote.

"This year is a crucial one in Ukraine's history," decisive to its future geo-political position, added Sikorski, a member of the centre-right governing coalition.

"There are forces that want it (Ukraine) to go in a different direction," he said, suggesting that Russia and pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine want Kiev to be closer to Moscow than Brussels.

The massacre was veiled in silence during the communist era of 1945-1989, with regime authorities in Warsaw wanting to maintain ties with Ukraine, a Soviet republic until 1991.

Jaroslaw Kaczynski, head of Poland's nationalist Law and Justice (PiS) opposition, had pushed for Friday's parliamentary resolution to classify the Wolyn massacre as "genocide in its purest form", he told reporters on Thursday.

The UPA's main objective was to win Ukraine's independence by ousting Nazi and later Soviet occupiers and to clear Poles from territories that were historically Ukrainian land.

The killing provoked bloody reprisals by Polish partisans grouped in the anti-Nazi and anti-Soviet Home Army (AK). They killed 20,000 Ukrainians.

Memory of the massacre is etched deep in Polish national consciousness.

Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski honoured the dead at memorial ceremonies in Warsaw on Thursday, the 70th anniversary of the height of the bloodshed.

There, he urged both sides to "overcome the great burden of the pain of the memory of those terrifying days, dreadful days but ones that have passed".

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Copyright AFP, 2013.

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_http://www.piastinstitute.org/assets/library/the_genocide_of_the_poles_1938_1948_radzilowski_t.pdf said:

. The Soviets had committed genocide against the Ukrainians in the 1930s and the bitter fruit of Polish-Ukrainian rivalry in the 1920s and 1930s allowed the Nazis to recruit Ukrainians into police and auxiliary units that were often used to carry out the dirty work of killing. As the war began to turn against the Germans, however, Ukrainians took matters into their own hands. Many Ukrainian auxiliaries began to operate in a semi-independent fashion and used their weapons to further the goals of the most extreme nationalist faction among Ukrainians. With the Jews mostly wiped out, the Ukrainians turned on the Poles, especially in provinces like Volhynia (Wołyn).

Elements of the Ukrainian Partisan Army (UPA) descended on Polish villages across southeast Poland, killing the inhabitants in the most brutal ways possible. Villagers were forced into their churches and burned alive. Killings were often carried out with axes, knives, saws, pitchforks, scythes, and swords. Men were castrated, sawed in half, burned alive. Women were raped, sexually mutilated, hacked apart. The UPA spared no one, not even children. An estimated 60,000 Poles lost their lives, the largest number in Volhynia where the worst violence occurred. As the killings raged, many courageous Ukrainians risked their lives to save Polish neighbors. Ukrainians who were viewed by the UPA as too favorable toward Poles, or who where caught sheltering Poles, shared their fate. Local Nazi forces had no orders and mostly stood aside while the killings occurred, sometimes sheltering Poles, sometimes aiding the UPA killers.

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Altair said:

Anonymous operations expose Ukrainian Bandera nazis

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_http://rt.com/news/air-defense-missile-systems-626/ said:

Man-portable air defense systems could be stolen in Ukraine amid turmoil

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Pashalis said:

Altair, what is the source of that information?

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Published time: March 09, 2014 13:57

When the West realized they could not get rid of President Viktor Yanukovich through peaceful demonstrations, they brought in the mob, journalist and writer Christine Stone has told RT.

Leaders of far right groups like Dmitry Yarosh in the Ukraine are useful to the West because their existence allows them to back more moderate political figures and save face, Christine Stone, who acted as an observer at Ukraine's presidential election during the Orange revolution a decade ago, told RT.

RT: What do you make of the decision by the leader of the Ukrainian far-right group, Dmitry Yarosh, to run for President – do you think he stands a chance?

CS: No, I don’t think he stands a chance. But he serves a very useful purpose for the West in that when he is soundly beaten by “moderates” like Yulia Timoshenko or Vitaly Klitchko – they will be able to appoint who the sensible and moderate Ukrainian voter “wants”. So I think he serves a purpose in this forthcoming election, assuming it takes place as predicted.

RT: Russia's Foreign Minister said the West was aware of the influence radical groups have on the interim Ukrainian government, yet prefers to stay silent on that issue. Do you believe that's the case - and if so, why?

CS: I think the West has used extremists in various wars and upsets that have been caused in the last 20 years or so. Originally in Georgia in 1991, the mafia helped chase Zviad Gamsakhurdia away from power. Similarly in Syria and Libya extremists were used – in Syria’s case unsuccessfully, at least so far – to break the Assad government, and to get rid of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi.

So, I think what happened in Ukraine was when they realized they weren’t able to shift Yanukovich and his government through peaceful demonstration, they had to call upon the mob, the mafia, to bring this about – in this case of course the far right. So I think they are aware of what’s gone on and I’m afraid they have been fully involved.

RT: The West seems to be rushing to assure Ukraine it will be welcome in the EU and NATO. What's in it for Europe and the US?

CS: Obviously in terms of NATO it means the West and its forces will be one step nearer the Russian border. So there is a lot to gain there. As far as the EU is concerned, it’s a slightly more nuanced state of affairs.

I think it’s very unlikely with things as they stand that Ukraine will become a member of the EU. But, it is not impossible if the West in any way felt they were backed against a wall they could hurry them in, or at least hurry a western Ukraine in. That would cause enormous problems, particularly for member states like Britain, which have taken in thousands of people from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union over the past ten years.

I think the prospect on the ground for Ukraine entering the EU for many member states would be fairly dramatic and unwelcome.

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Altair said:

The following article is sort of brisant

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