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Due to past discussions my posts need to be approved before they're displayed. A reply I made in the The mistaken search for "proof" thread didn't make the cut, which makes me feel unwelcome here.

I talk about myself a lot or a least I feel like I talk about myself a lot... But I figure I can only talk about things from my own perspective, anything else would be a definitive statement and I don't know everything, so how can I be sure of anything?

At any rate, I'm interested in other people's perspectives on this. If no one's interested in that, however, I'd like to burn the bridge and get my account deleted.
 
Maybe you should try and learn from past mistakes? You're not unwelcome here, unless you make yourself unwelcome here.
 
Hi Archaea

[quote author= Archaea]I talk about myself a lot or a least I feel like I talk about myself a lot... But I figure I can only talk about things from my own perspective[/quote]

Most conversations play out as such. That you recognized this is excellent !! Most people never will !! Now you can work on it.

Whenever you have something to share, I think it helps to always question your intent. It shouldn’t be about you, but about the intent of Doing good :)
 
In living with big family, a lots thing can happen everyday. Some disagreements, even fights, because we all make mistakes sometimes. Including you too. But because families care for each other, even though difference of opinions, we stay together no matter what happened.

And if person truly felt and knows that he is in he's own home, never question about welcome or not welcome as guest in somebody's house.
 
Hi Archaea, looks like you've already gotten good feed back here and aren't considered "unwelcome ".

bjorn said:
Hi Archaea

[quote author= Archaea]I talk about myself a lot or a least I feel like I talk about myself a lot... But I figure I can only talk about things from my own perspective

Most conversations play out as such. That you recognized this is excellent !! Most people never will !! Now you can work on it.

Whenever you have something to share, I think it helps to always question your intent. It shouldn’t be about you, but about the intent of Doing good :)
[/quote]

I appreciate what bjorn has said here. Its been my experience with participating on this forum and others, that interactions with others in this manner, acts as a mirror in order to see myself and I learn from that. When internal difficulties arise, it isn't really about others but my own reactions, patterns that have been set in the past. An opportunity is presented to look at those patterns and understand so I can make changes. And EVERYONE has stuff their working on, and thats understood here, which is so good!

]I talk about myself a lot or a least I feel like I talk about myself a lot... But I figure I can only talk about things from my own perspective

Lately, I've been feeling "fed up" with myself when I write here, so I'm looking at that. It always seems like, me me me, I I I... haha! So bjorns last comment is good advise for MEEEEEE!!!!

Whenever you have something to share, I think it helps to always question your intent. It shouldn’t be about you, but about the intent of Doing good :)

Hang in there, an opportunity is at hand to learn something.
 
Also why do you feel "unwelcome"? I've done a skim read of your posts and this is your second account after being banned. The fact that you have been accepted again should indicated that you are welcomed. You've recognized that you are self focused and maybe this feeling is also self focused?
Also that particular thread was quite delicate. If your posts wasn't accepted then do as Joe said and find out why and learn from it.
Just my two cents.
 
Thinkingfingers said:
Also why do you feel "unwelcome"? I've done a skim read of your posts and this is your second account after being banned. The fact that you have been accepted again should indicated that you are welcomed. You've recognized that you are self focused and maybe this feeling is also self focused?
Also that particular thread was quite delicate. If your posts wasn't accepted then do as Joe said and find out why and learn from it.
Just my two cents.

If this is the case then i think it is evident how you are feeling doesn't correlate with what is; it may good to reacquaint yourself with the forum guidelines and if there is anything that you're unclear about, feel free to ask it here. Many people speaking many different mother tongues frequent this forum, bring their individual perspectives and rarely have problems. Though that does seem to relate to what you say and the implications of same:

Archaea said:
Due to past discussions my posts need to be approved before they're displayed. A reply I made in the The mistaken search for "proof" thread didn't make the cut, which makes me feel unwelcome here.

I talk about myself a lot or a least I feel like I talk about myself a lot... But I figure I can only talk about things from my own perspective, anything else would be a definitive statement and I don't know everything, so how can I be sure of anything?

At any rate, I'm interested in other people's perspectives on this. If no one's interested in that, however, I'd like to burn the bridge and get my account deleted.

Your opening post didn't disclose that you may have been banned twice or why you think that may be, or acknowledge the extra work that gives the administrators.

So to me it seems there's a lot of internal considering going on but very little (external) consideration is given to the rest of the forum and it's founders.

It may be that those are a few concepts you need to brush up - since they're the basis of the forum and the work done here. Because otherwise, what you are actually doing is preventing others who are abiding by the hospitality of the forum from interacting. Because the forum was created for ALL and not just one person.
 
Archaea said:
Due to past discussions my posts need to be approved before they're displayed. A reply I made in the The mistaken search for "proof" thread didn't make the cut, which makes me feel unwelcome here.

I talk about myself a lot or a least I feel like I talk about myself a lot... But I figure I can only talk about things from my own perspective, anything else would be a definitive statement and I don't know everything, so how can I be sure of anything?

At any rate, I'm interested in other people's perspectives on this. If no one's interested in that, however, I'd like to burn the bridge and get my account deleted.

Hi Archaea. I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way, but it seems like it needs to be said now and again. This is not a typical chat or debate forum. Members interact here in certain ways for certain purposes and one of our expectations is assumed to be that we are here to learn something about ourselves while participating. And then there's the ultimate question: what does our participation ultimately add to the database here for Laura and crew's research purposes. Some might think that I'm the last person that should be saying that, but I think some can see that I do try.

So, the way I see it, you may feel unwelcome because a post didn't make the cut. In terms of the Work and the kinds of things we can learn about ourselves here, this evaluation you call the feeling of being unwelcome could simply be your own evaluation of the activity in personal terms. IOW, what was really there (maybe) was that the unapproved post was evaluated as an unwelcomed action by you - you obviously didn't approve, right?

So, you could take this opportunity to think about it and maybe come back a little stronger. I don't think we are really capable of accurately evaluating other people's actions (he/she/they no longer welcomes me) until we know for sure what role we might be playing here (I severely do not welcome that refusal to post my reply).

Archaea said:
I talk about myself a lot or a least I feel like I talk about myself a lot... But I figure I can only talk about things from my own perspective, anything else would be a definitive statement and I don't know everything, so how can I be sure of anything?

It's easy and natural to feel that it's hard to be sure of anything a lot of times, but there are techniques we can use to gain some clarity sometimes and to communicate doubt, wonder and tentativeness if "definitiveness" is a problem.

I think ultimately (and this is something I still work on), the most well received posts will be those that add something interesting and valuable to a discussion, addresses the point of the OP or most recent reply well and adds more information about the topic or point being made (signal) than information about our personality (noise).

I could be wrong or have left off something important in this reply, so just consider this for what it may be worth.
 
The idea is to work on our personal issues as to promote the very possibility's of leaving 3rd-density sts to 4th density STO.

This is optional for all of us (a choice), that only u can decide.

That which may only be possible through growth of a spiritual consciousness, and working (THE WORK) eliminating those personal problems that block a positive attempt for growth.

Being real. As other 's have offered clues that may help you navigate and set your sail's of a direction of learning and change.

I think that this moment has arrived for which it is good that your asking questions. Thus you get feed back that may help you in finding your way and perhaps move froward. And get too a better path of illumination with unlimited possibility's.

Never Give up Never Surrender to the EGO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg4eE4Asim8

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Archaea, as far as I know or you let shine out this 'rejected' post of yours is the only one that gave trouble in a long time.

Why feeling rejected as a person because one entry was vetted unfit in the specific context of the topic you mentioned?

What would make the importance of this specific contribution to yourself a reason to start complaining publicly about it and whining on feeling unwelcome here?

The mere fact that this thread exists at all should be sufficient proof you're NOT considered to be unwelcome in our midst and can speak up freely most of the times.

Don't you understand that this topic is all about your internal considering and that it has no bearing on the objective process of monitoring the functioning of this forum as such?

My advice would be: just get over yourself and your self-importance, continue to contribute in a constructive way on whatever topic that interests you and try to learn as much as you're able to within the given constraints that apply to you personally.

My two cents...

Hope this helps a bit. :)
 
Maybe you should try and learn from past mistakes? You're not unwelcome here, unless you make yourself unwelcome here.

OK, so what would I be doing to make myself unwelcome here?

Also, Thinkingfinger​s suggests that I find out why my post was deleted and learn from it. Is their some way I can do that, not just for that post but for other posts?

Whenever you have something to share, I think it helps to always question your intent. It shouldn’t be about you, but about the intent of Doing good

I think it's possible to have differing opinions of what is good and bad, and that the solution is to communicate/network. This is why I'm interested in getting my account deleted if my posts get deleted, it makes me feel like I'm unable to communicate. I feel like this is an emotional reaction, rationally I think it's best not to burn bridges.

Your opening post didn't disclose that you may have been banned twice or why you think that may be, or acknowledge the extra work that gives the administrators.

So to me it seems there's a lot of internal considering going on but very little (external) consideration is given to the rest of the forum and it's founders.

Banned once, for this account my posts need to be approved. I thought I was being externally considerate, not just to the forum and it's founders, but to edgitarra as well. I think this means I need feedback on why my posts get deleted, because after the fact there's no way to get any on the thread where it didn't get posted.

So, the way I see it, you may feel unwelcome because a post didn't make the cut. In terms of the Work and the kinds of things we can learn about ourselves here, this evaluation you call the feeling of being unwelcome could simply be your own evaluation of the activity in personal terms. IOW, what was really there (maybe) was that the unapproved post was evaluated as an unwelcomed action by you - you obviously didn't approve, right?

Right, but that would mean starting this thread was a good idea, even though I thought my account was just going to get straight up deleted, wouldn't it? If I were to not communicate my personal evaluation then it wouldn't change as quickly.

Don't you understand that this topic is all about your internal considering and that it has no bearing on the objective process of monitoring the functioning of this forum as such?

My advice would be: just get over yourself and your self-importance, continue to contribute in a constructive way on whatever topic that interests you and try to learn as much as you're able to within the given constraints that apply to you personally.

Yeah I can see that it is about my internal considering, a need for attention, which part of me doesn't want. If I don't want to be a part of what's happening here I can just not come to this website, then when my feelings change I can come back without bothering anybody. Getting my account deleted is a way of forcing myself not to come back.

I think part of the problem is that I do want to contribute, but when my posts get deleted I feel isolated and ignored, which doesn't feel good, and is how I feel most of the time IRL, although that might not be rational. Every time I make a post I take the risk that that is what will happen.

Also, good advice. :)
 
In an effort to be somewhat balanced I decided to write this post explaining why I think my posts are getting deleted. I'm putting it in a separate post because my thoughts on this topic seem to be what's getting them deleted.

In one of the Cass sessions last year, I think in March, the C's said that there were covert antagonisms on the part of some members of the forum, I instantly recognized myself as one of them and posted an emotionally charged comment about Laura. It turned out that I was projecting a lot, I think because I had thought loops running in my brain powered by suppressed emotion from being banned.

However, I'm still not convinced the problem of covert antagonisms has gone away or is being handled appropriately by the majority of people here. edgitarra seemed to have a similar problem, and it seemed to me that very little progress was being made until Andromeda offered some understanding which solved everything. Before that it looked to me like people were taking the position of "we don't like what you said, so you're wrong, ADMIT IT!!" That's just my perception... I'm communicating...

I'm a little bit paranoid, OK, I don't like people getting between me and my food, for example. But isn't this exactly what the "STSers" would want? Wouldn't they want the antagonisms to remain covert, for the purposes of getting the most people to leave, like what the C's said? And wouldn't this be a lot easier if people who let their antagonisms "slip" received no understanding at all and were ostracized?

I think, or part of me thinks, that the answer to all those questions is yes. So if I'm going to offer some understanding to people who express their antagonisms, whether appropriately or inappropriately, then my post better get deleted... They can't delete Andromeda... At least not yet. My mind might be a little complex, however, so there might be more little thought threads in there.

Also, I might have said a few things in that post which the mods and admins didn't like, but they wouldn't delete it if they didn't like what I had to say, would they? Nah...
 
Hello Archaea,

I am wondering about what really happened to your post.

Is your post was on the forum for some period of time, then disappear?

Or you did post it, but it never show up, and you think that, the reason was your post was because not approved by moderator?

I am asking, because there was same kind of problems other members had experienced in the past, including me.
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40395.0.html

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40022.0.html
 
Archaea said:
In an effort to be somewhat balanced I decided to write this post explaining why I think my posts are getting deleted. I'm putting it in a separate post because my thoughts on this topic seem to be what's getting them deleted.

Well, that should have told you something!

In one of the Cass sessions last year, I think in March, the C's said that there were covert antagonisms on the part of some members of the forum, I instantly recognized myself as one of them and posted an emotionally charged comment about Laura. It turned out that I was projecting a lot, I think because I had thought loops running in my brain powered by suppressed emotion from being banned.

However, I'm still not convinced the problem of covert antagonisms has gone away or is being handled appropriately by the majority of people here. edgitarra seemed to have a similar problem, and it seemed to me that very little progress was being made until Andromeda offered some understanding which solved everything. Before that it looked to me like people were taking the position of "we don't like what you said, so you're wrong, ADMIT IT!!" That's just my perception...

Have you stopped to consider that your perception may not be correct?

I'm a little bit paranoid, OK, I don't like people getting between me and my food, for example. But isn't this exactly what the "STSers" would want? Wouldn't they want the antagonisms to remain covert, for the purposes of getting the most people to leave, like what the C's said? And wouldn't this be a lot easier if people who let their antagonisms "slip" received no understanding at all and were ostracized?

You might think so, but it is more complicated than you seem to think. If we were to do as you suggest, many of the members who now assist others here in the Forum would have already been banned. This STS world has corrupted most of humanity, which means that the vast majority of people have really 'messed up' minds and personalities. Our purpose here is to help people to learn and grow - particularly to learn to understand themselves and to progress past the programming which has hindered them is so many ways all their lives. This is what we call the Work, and is the main purpose of this Forum and why this is essentially an Esoteric School. "Esoteric" means "hidden", and we try to help others to see what is hidden, especially from themselves.

Like any 'school', there has to be rules of behavior and decorum or things will quickly decay into anarchy and chaos. There is quite enough of that around this reality already! So, if a student is disruptive, will not follow the rules and is untrusting and disrespectful of the teachers, they will be counseled as to their behavior, and if they persist in breaking the rules the final option is expulsion.

That being said, we do our best here to respect other members and to help them as much as we are able to. We all try hard to be 'gentle' with our comments and advice, but on occasion, we just have to be blunt if the person is just not getting what we are trying to get across. Mind you, none of this is done with the objective of getting over on someone or putting them down, but to assist them in seeing themselves better. Quite often it is seen in the wrong way by the recipient of the comment made to them, but if received in the proper manner it is most often very helpful to them.

Many members have gone through this process, and most of them realized what I am saying here to be true. I hope this helps your understanding some and answers the question you have as to how the moderators handle situations.
Also, I might have said a few things in that post which the mods and admins didn't like, but they wouldn't delete it if they didn't like what I had to say, would they? Nah...
Your little bit of sarcasm here indicates pretty well how you are seeing things. You know, the C's have told us "Learning is Fun", but a lot of us now understand that to be true mostly in hindsight!

I hope this helps you to see things more clearly.
 
Chickenmales/Archaea/Lucaea, your post was not approved not because of anything inherently wrong with anything you said, but because it was potentially disruptive to the processes of another member whose needs were being carefully considered by the mods. In the particular case, there was private information about this person known to the mods that made them determine that the situation needed calming, NOT agitating. If you think about it, you will realize that the post was more about you and NOT about helping this other individual. 'Nuff said.
 

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