Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

[thorbiorn]

Thorbiorn and others, are ya'll posting these things on FB and/or Twitter so that others can be sharing and re-tweeting??? If they exist, ya'll could be pulling up and sharing the SOTT articles on the topics and making comments. And if they don't exist on sott, maybe they should get put there for that purpose?

I'll get up to speed with liking. Twitter to come soon. I found a few articles and some of it could possibly go on SOTT. The short of the long is that there is SO much coming out.

Polish politicians plan to send their troops for war in the Donbass
Posted By admin on 23.01.2015
The main and deadly enemy for Poland is Russia, think some Polish political leaders.

Poland should consider its participation of their militaries in combat actions in Ukraine to support the neighbor in the struggle against the Russian aggression, said Thursday in the interview with Polish radio station RMF FM the presidential candidate of the Poland’s largest opposition party “Zakon I spravedlivost” Andjey Duda.

“Poland could provide support. We should think about this”, – said the opposition leader. According to him, if the decision to field forces troops were taken at the level of NATO and Poland is a member of the Alliance, it would have to do.

Duda underlined that if he becomes the President of Poland, he could help Ukraine and send Poland militaries to battle in the Donbass.

One of the founders of the Polish independent trade union movement “Solidarnost” Zbigniew Bujak also supports the idea of war in the Donbass on the Ukrainian side. Earlier this week he has said that Poland should send its troops to Ukraine.

“It would be fantastic if Polish soldiers fought in Donetsk. So we will show that we are building the deep, long-term and strategic Alliance that will ensure not only our security, but security of Europe too,” said Bujak.

“If our neighbor is fighting against our common, deadly enemy, then we need to help the neighbor,” – underlined the politician whose main enemy is Russia which he does not keep in secret.

The next presidential elections in Poland would be held in the summer 2015.

And there was the report about the visit of the US General to Kiev : _https://www.facebook.com/groups/IOUCO/permalink/700457680067289/

Have the arm or leg shot off? No problem – get a memorable tag from American General

Posted By admin on 23.01.2015

American General thanked crippled Ukrainian soldiers by giving them memorable tags.

It was the commander-in-chief of the US Army in Europe General Ben Hodges.

The American military, who arrived in Kyiv for providing consultations on methods of warfare, after visiting of the hospital said about the courage and talent of Ukrainian leaders and soldiers.

“We were given an order to shoot at a certain point from the infantry combat vehicle, but it didn’t work. Then we were given an order to fire from the tank. The tank answered that it had no pressure for a shot… I was lucky that my friend, a grenade launcher, whose skull was just smashed, fell on me,” – says the wounded 24-year-old soldier, who has two children left at home.

From his further words it becomes clear that he spent a month in training, after which he was sent to the battlefield. His war was over in 2 weeks: September 1, he got to the front, on the 14th of the same month he lost his arm, and now he is still is in the hospital.

After listening to the story of the crippled Ukrainian, American General presented him a tag of the United States Army in Europe, on the reverse side of which was indicated that it was handed personally be the commander-in-chief.

Whether it is a worthful compensation for the lack of left arm the prosthesis price of which, by words of the cripple, is 100 thousand euros? The soldier who was given this American souvenir doesn’t think so.

Remember that Russia’s permanent representative to the UN Vitaly Churkin has directly linked the visit of General Ben Hodges Kiev with the intensification of the combat actions in the Donbass.

“After each visit of senior U.S. persons to Ukraine Kyiv authorities are increasing confrontation of their actions. And the current military escalation has miraculously coincided with the visit to Kiev of the U.S. troops in Europe commander,” – said the Russian diplomat, answering to criticism of the US Permanent Representative Samantha Power.

The above US general supports the US economy not Ukraine:

US Military-Industrial Complex Celebrated the Outbreak of US-Russia Tensions
Correctly figured it meant happy days were back again
Andrew Cockburn (Harper's Magazine - Excerpt) 9 hours ago |
[...]
The dreaded “sequester” of 2013, which threatened to cut half a trillion dollars from the long-term defense budget, had been temporarily deflected by artful negotiation, but without further negotiations the defense cuts were likely to resume with savage force in fiscal 2016.

There was ugly talk of mothballing one of the Navy’s nuclear-powered carriers, slashing the Army to a mere 420,000 troops, retiring drone programs, cutting headquarters staffs, and more.

[...]

The ebullience expressed by defense lobbyists at Mike Rogers’s breakfast back in March has been amply justified. “Vladimir Putin has solved the sequestration problem for us because he has proven that ground forces are needed to deter Russian aggression,” declared Congressman Mike Turner, an Ohio Republican and chair of an important defense subcommittee, in October.

Meanwhile, the Bipartisan Policy Center, a Washington entity that numbers, inevitably, Norm Augustine among the panjandrums adorning its board of directors, sponsored a panel on “Ensuring a Strong U.S. Defense for the Future.”

Michèle Flournoy, defense undersecretary for policy during Obama’s first term, warned the panel, “You can’t expect to defend the nation under sequestration.”Fellow panelist and former Cheney adviser Eric Edelman, who preceded Flournoy in the Pentagon post, echoed her theme. Other speakers demanded that NATO members increase their defense budgets.

At the end of October 2014, as European economies quivered, thanks in part to the sanctions-driven slowdown in trade with Russia, the United States reported a gratifying 3.5 percent jump in gross domestic product for the quarter ending September 3.

This spurt was driven, so government economists reported, by a sharp uptick in military spending.

US needs to keep the wheels going and so does Ukraine:

Distortions, lies and omissions: The New York Times won’t tell you the real story behind Ukraine, Russian economic collapse
International papers will cover America's role in the world honestly. Only our best paper willingly blinds itself
Patrick L. Smith
[...]
“The presid. of Ukr cannot sue for peace, whatever he says, as the extreme right nationalists will not allow it…. So the only other way to get some resolution is to provoke war with Russia, which would then give cover to the U.S.-led blockade to move to another level. The state of the Ukr economy and politics are such that they desperately need a clash with Russia to draw the US / EU in more deeply….”

Now Yatsenyuk is preparing to put Ukraine on a complete war economy according to a notice on a FB page in Russian (Патриотические Силы Донбасса):

Yatsenyuk instructed to prepare the economy to full transition to the military sphere

Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk has instructed the heads of regional state administrations to provide "final mobilization plans of the national economy in case we need to go to the military sphere". He said this today on a conference call with the heads of regional administrations and law enforcement agencies of the country.

"We had a conversation for clarification of the mobilization plans of the national economy. Unfortunately, not all areas took it carefully," said he, demanding to intensify this work, reports TASS.

In addition Yatsenyuk has instructed the Ministry of internal Affairs, machardie and SBU to take under enhanced protection of the marine ports, airports, objects on the railway, power station. With regard to the protection of sites of local importance, the Prime Minister asked the governors together with the interior Ministry and the security service of Ukraine to determine such lists. "First and foremost, this applies to water, electricity, gas and places of a mass congestion of people," the Prime Minister said.

Where is all this going to lead?

 

[thorbiorn]

Allegedly antipersonnel mines are being used in Gorlovka by Ukraine army or its associates:

Translation of warning text:
"Everywhere in the Gorlovka (especially Komsomolets) and Panteleymonovke, the locals report such finds in the streets (photo).
This is an antipersonnel mine. Explodes after 3 - 40 hours, depending on temperature.
Such mines have a sensor to self-destruct: in that case if the mine was not blown up by goal, within 3 - 40 hours it blows up itself.
This is a mine of MLRS Hurricane, the kit includes 24.
Safe distance of 250 - 300 meters.
If you saw it - mark the place and call 102!"

See also _https://twitter.com/somsok5412/status/558696038983557121/photo/1

 

[Yozilla]

Well look who's speaking:

Brzezinski also called on Washington to provide Ukraine with lethal weapons to deter Russia.

He said that by not providing that assistance to Ukraine "simply increases Russia's intentions to escalate tensions. In Europe, Putin is playing with fire, financing and arming a local rebellion."

"We need to do something to make Putin question before he escalates," he said.

Brzezinski went on to say that "I do recommend pre-positioning of some forces," in the Baltic countries.

The US accuses Russia of arming troops fighting alongside pro-Russian forces in eastern Ukraine. Moscow denies any involvement in the fighting.

How deep is that rabbit hole he emerged from? One poster comments:"He looks like he died a few years ago and someone forgot to tell him."

From: http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/01/21/394182/Putin-playing-with-fire-Brzezinski

 

[Voyageur]

Well look who's speaking:

Brzezinski also called on Washington to provide Ukraine with lethal weapons to deter Russia.

He said that by not providing that assistance to Ukraine "simply increases Russia's intentions to escalate tensions. In Europe, Putin is playing with fire, financing and arming a local rebellion."

"We need to do something to make Putin question before he escalates," he said.

Brzezinski went on to say that "I do recommend pre-positioning of some forces," in the Baltic countries.

The US accuses Russia of arming troops fighting alongside pro-Russian forces in eastern Ukraine. Moscow denies any involvement in the fighting.

How deep is that rabbit hole he emerged from? One poster comments:"He looks like he died a few years ago and someone forgot to tell him."

From: http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/01/21/394182/Putin-playing-with-fire-Brzezinski

I often think that if there is one particular person directly linked to hyperdimensional evil, Brzezinski fits the bill. By his word alone as geopolitical war mongering chess master, it seems almost incalculable just how many people he has helped to demise. His strategy of tension seems to be bent on wiping out the whole board.

He must be functioning on formaldehyde.

 

[thorbiorn]

Allegedly antipersonnel mines are being used in Gorlovka by Ukraine army or its associates:

Translation of warning text:
"Everywhere in the Gorlovka (especially Komsomolets) and Panteleymonovke, the locals report such finds in the streets (photo).
This is an antipersonnel mine. Explodes after 3 - 40 hours, depending on temperature.
Such mines have a sensor to self-destruct: in that case if the mine was not blown up by goal, within 3 - 40 hours it blows up itself.
This is a mine of MLRS Hurricane, the kit includes 24.
Safe distance of 250 - 300 meters.
If you saw it - mark the place and call 102!"

See also _https://twitter.com/somsok5412/status/558696038983557121/photo/1

I have been thinking about the logic of this piece of information. 250-300 meters of safe distance was a bit much for an antipersonnel mine. Therefore, I looked up the details. MLRS (Multi Lunch Rocket Systems)Hurricane (In Russian, Ураган РСЗО), is a caliber 220 rocket, see Wiki _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-27_Uragan and _https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD_%28%D0%A0%D0%A1%D0%97%D0%9E%29.

The BM-27 can use HE-FRAG, chemical, ICM or scatterable mine (PTM-3 or PFM-1) submunition equipped rockets all of which are detonated by electric timing fuses. Each rocket weighs 280.4 kilograms. The warheads weigh between 90 and 100 kilograms depending on type. A full salvo of 16 rockets can be fired in 20 seconds and can engage targets within a range of 35 kilometers.

Because of the size of the warhead, the range of the rocket and the speed that a salvo can be delivered, the BM-27 is very effective at mine laying. Each 220 mm rocket can scatter 312 anti-personnel PFM-1 mines. Minefields can be laid behind a retreating enemy or even be used to trap an enemy by encircling them with mines. Tactics such as this were often used by the Soviets in Afghanistan.

The 250-300 meter safe distance does still not make too much sense, but perhaps that is the area that one Uragan can cover. Ukraine is listed as having 139 MLRS Hurricane lunch vehicles. It is probably also because of the range of these Hurricanes, 35 km, that Novorossiya would like to see the Ukraine army pushed back to at least 45 km from Donetsk.

Another Wiki has:

The International Campaign to Ban Landmines has sought to ban land mines culminating in the 1997 Ottawa Treaty, although this treaty has not yet been accepted by a number of countries including the USA, Russia, People's Republic of China, Pakistan and India.

Maybe it is a conincidence, but the American General who awarded a medal to a wounded Ukrainian soldier just visited Kiev.

 

[thorbiorn]

[...]
And there was the report about the visit of the US General to Kiev : _https://www.facebook.com/groups/IOUCO/permalink/700457680067289/

Here is an uploaded screen print from the FB page.

 

[thorbiorn]

Today there was this from Mariopol, which was hit by the MLRS Hurricane 220 mm rockets, with a reach of 35 km (the French Wiki site says only 31 km). The translation is a bit garbled but hope the interested reader gets the idea.

24 January 201520: 20 Dmitry Kaystro
"Grad" on Mariupol: peaceful city fell into shock

In Ukraine again - dozens of victims. Now in Mariupol, once peaceful and wonderful city on the Azov. According to the latest municipal authorities, the death toll reached 30, including two children were killed. Wounded - more than 90 Mariupol - under the control of Kiev. Kiev immediately advanced version of that bombardment of Mariupol - the work of volunteers, can not help but raise questions because of their advocacy of immediacy, but also because of the fact that inconsistencies - the mass.
The first terrible moments after a flurry of fire that struck the peaceful quarters of Mariupol. The footage, shot by one of the residents of the preazov city, - the horror of the effects of fire. Such terrible moments Mariupol has not experienced never before.
The city - chaos and panic. Burning buildings, cars. On the broken streets - dead bodies. Soon it becomes clear that the firing was conducted multiple rocket launchers "Grad", so the number of dead runs into tens of wounded - close to a hundred.
In the first minutes after the attack, is still much to be seen. The first minutes are filled with dread and anticipation of new attacks.
Ukrainian news agencies rush to blame for what is happening militias. Old Crimea, which indicate all the witnesses as to the point of fire - in the hands of the National Guard. Militia keeps defenses at Novoazovsk - is 40 kilometers. No fire today there was conducted from their.
"Again false attempts to accuse militias. Today, we have seen how shoot" Grad*s "and militia don*t have any artilery close to there How will they be justified at this time, we'll see. We see that even Psak doesn*t believe Poroshenko. This is worth something, "- said Denis Pushilin, Deputy Chairman of the National Council of the DNR.
Mariupol - on fire. Smoke from fires can be seen in many parts of the city. But most of all affected areas quarter Vostochniy. Medics were unable to provide assistance to the wounded. They stayed a few hours on the streets and the roadway. Wounded, as best they could, bandaged and carried out of the fire by the locals.
Because of the attacks homes are de-energized , boiler rooms. The authorities are doing everything to restore the power supply. "
This is another provocation from Kiev, trying to get out of the negotiation process. Ukraine can now be fully identified as the aggressor, as the bearer of the genocide of our people", - says Denis Pushilin.
Among the dead are mostly elderly, women and children.
In Mariupol still burning market and homes.
The city has strengthened patrol mode and waiting for new attacks.

If the Militia was about 40 km away they are probably not to blame if the range is 35km. At the same time the Ukrainian Army has proven that they have no remorse about firing into civilian area, recently I mentioned Gorlovka. Today also Poroshenko went back quickly from Saudi Arabia because of the situation in Mariopol which however apparently or at least very possibly they themselves have created. One wonders what comes next. Some protests are planned in Kiev for the 29th, does Poroshenko have a plan to get out of the trouble waiting for him?

By the way a journalist in Mariopol caught a foreign English speaking mercenary on her audio/camera. Perhaps someone can recognize the accent, it is at about 2:30. According to FB comments on _https://www.facebook.com/groups/IOUCO/permalink/701505969962460/ he says "Outta my face. Outta my face. Please." The rest is in Russian, although it is said in the comments that there is one more foreigner. In the clip there are pictures of the destruction.

https://youtu.be/kiwIUsX63Hk?feature=player_detailpage

 

[Voyageur]

By the way a journalist in Mariopol caught a foreign English speaking mercenary on her audio/camera. Perhaps someone can recognize the accent, it is at about 2:30. According to FB comments on _https://www.facebook.com/groups/IOUCO/permalink/701505969962460/ he says "Outta my face. Outta my face. Please." The rest is in Russian, although it is said in the comments that there is one more foreigner. In the clip there are pictures of the destruction.

His voice sounded British. :/

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

What is in personal first aid kit have "Cyborgs" (so-called "Ukrainian Terminators" from Donetsk Airport):

https://youtu.be/O_J3j7kweLw

 

[syldan]

DPR PM Alexandr Zakharchenko releases a 19 year old soldier of UAF captured alive, into the care of the soldier's mother. Touching video, for any parent, showing true humanity on Zakharchenko's part:

_http://youtu.be/in-GUuFTyJA

 

[Voyageur]

DPR PM Alexandr Zakharchenko releases a 19 year old soldier of UAF captured alive, into the care of the soldier's mother. Touching video, for any parent, showing true humanity on Zakharchenko's part:

_http://youtu.be/in-GUuFTyJA

Indeed. I could not help to hear the church bells ring as Zakharchenko finalized his message to this UAF soldier's mom. Its all so very sad, so very unnecessary and so pathological of the Kiev junta and its handlers.

 

[aragorn]

Could some of the Russian speaking members have a look what they say in this video?

https://youtu.be/5VwVPZXQC0U

Some posts are saying that this video is mirrored (which it probably is, if you look at the microphone at 0:26), to give the impression that the shelling on Mariupol came from the east. I'm not sure what to make of it.

 

[thorbiorn]

Another video with English subtitles put up by кazansкiy116 on yuotube

https://youtu.be/20woRCrIREQ?feature=player_embedded Title: "A special film for Europe Poroshenko kills the people at the Donbass! (with sign language)" BTW I could not find the 'sign language' except that some of the Russian that is spoken may be slang or considered rude. But what to do for someone who has no gun and still wishes to express his considered opinion about the president of Ukraine.

In the beginning a woman explains in Ukrainian why the Ukrainians themselves are so poorly informed about what goes on in their own country. It is because the media is owned by a few people who control what gets on air and what not. In other words information is tightly controlled. The rest is a mixture of clips, including some that show shelled or bombed burning areas. Other clips show local people expressing how they feel about the situation.

 

[axj]

Could some of the Russian speaking members have a look what they say in this video?

https://youtu.be/5VwVPZXQC0U

Some posts are saying that this video is mirrored (which it probably is, if you look at the microphone at 0:26), to give the impression that the shelling on Mariupol came from the east. I'm not sure what to make of it.

Yes, the video is mirrored - the name on his jacked is clearly a mirror image. Basically he is saying that the shell they found came from an Eastern direction. However, in the comments people are saying that the maximum range of these missiles is 20 km - not 40 like he is saying - and that the place from which the shelling came should be easy to identify since it leaves marks on the ground and this type of weapon has not been used in this area before.

Apparently there are both the separatists in the East as well as the Western Ukrainian troops which are also in the East but closer. This military guy also confirms that they have troops in that area, but he declines to say exactly where.

 

[eyesoftheworld]

I have not got a Facebook account and don't want one. I share what I learn on here and all other sources, with people I converse with in email and on chatrooms with the progressive talk shows I listen to. The host and the audience are totally aware of all this. I have sent them to sott.net for info on psychopathy and all these other issues. most of them read all the same sources as we do. they have also started getting the hang of what psychopathy really is and have commented about articles they found on here. I have also sent Ponerology to these show hosts... they have a larger audience than I do! and they have talked about it on Malloy's show, Ring of Fire, Sam Seder.. Thom Hartmann still wants to believe we can turn this around...but even he has talked about psychopathy. The issue is getting out there.