Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

Hey folks, I've been dealing recently with a herd of stuck horses in my upper abdomen. It comes it goes it comes it goes, and I'm thinking of the effect of Eiriu Eolas : as a wakening of the great wave stuck inside, and it's seem so terrible I fear that happening to me, and also I want that to pass ! So I'm dealing between forcing it and letting it go but fearing the outcome or the experience.

Maybe somebody could direct me toward a little help, I really want to be free of it, emotion is a thing I put aside too long ?

Thank you :)
 
Nico said:
Hey folks, I've been dealing recently with a herd of stuck horses in my upper abdomen. It comes it goes it comes it goes, and I'm thinking of the effect of Eiriu Eolas : as a wakening of the great wave stuck inside, and it's seem so terrible I fear that happening to me, and also I want that to pass ! So I'm dealing between forcing it and letting it go but fearing the outcome or the experience.

Maybe somebody could direct me toward a little help, I really want to be free of it, emotion is a thing I put aside too long ?

Thank you :)
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Hey Nico, is it a bit like an anxious feeling, and does it only happen during EE?
 
Nico said:
Hey folks, I've been dealing recently with a herd of stuck horses in my upper abdomen. It comes it goes it comes it goes, and I'm thinking of the effect of Eiriu Eolas : as a wakening of the great wave stuck inside, and it's seem so terrible I fear that happening to me, and also I want that to pass ! So I'm dealing between forcing it and letting it go but fearing the outcome or the experience.

Maybe somebody could direct me toward a little help, I really want to be free of it, emotion is a thing I put aside too long ?

Thank you :)
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Just echoing Oxajil here (just saw your post :P ).

When you say that you are dealing with a herd of stuck horses in your upper abdomen, do you mean like something is stuck? Like some kind of pressure in the pit of your stomach? Is it related to angst, anxiety or fear of letting the emotions flowing out? Or there's something else? It certainly helps if you can put a name to it.

You say that you want to be free of it - emotion-? - What emotion? Is it something related to letting out a "negative" emotion, or just like letting flow emotions in general?

First, if you feel like the process is making you feel uncomfortable or overwhelmed, maybe it's better to slow down a little bit, take things step by step, maybe pausing the Beatha part for some time, or decreasing it to 1 time per week or 2 times a month. You have to observe yourself and adjust the practice to whatever fits to your own process in the moment, no need to rush or force it, be patient and 'have faith in the process'.

Reading some of the recommended psychology and cognitive science books also helps the process a lot, you can understand better what's happening inside, how to deal with it, and help the healing process.
 
Thank you for responding :)
I will try to explain more, and I am rushing because of a reason.

When I began to do keto diet, I maybe resisted unconsciously to the change, and it take a form of a knot in the upper right abdomen. I think of everything physical, liver, bladder, intestinal problems, and I do appropriate cleansing each time. But finally after all this cleansing I maybe found a good clue : it's maybe about deep emotions crystalised in facias conjugued with postural desiquilibrium, and it constricts me nervously speaking from the right abdomen to the left shoulder, I kind sense a body crossed connection that way. But, I say emotion because I read it and it corresponds to the description : the knot in the upper right abdomen free sometimes itself to move toward the solar plexus, and it stucks here with butterflies. So I really don't know what emotion is because of the "don't let the horse passes program", sometimes anger bleed through but it may comes from the environnement instead, what I can say for sure it's like a snake crawling in my guts and kicking it sometimes. I am rushing because it alters my digestion, or my reaction to it alters my digestion. Usually the snake hide itself in the deep gut and especially the right abdomen as I say but come to the surface when I focus my attention to it and laser relax the knot, but it always get stuck in the solar plexus because I cannot laser relax it here. It's not during EE or other meditations which is not specially focus on it, when I do yoga or stretching it take the form of inside filaments/facias knots in lower back to upper right abdomen.

I am really on yogis stuff in the moment, trying to "change my reality" in freeing myself of the patterns I found in my mindbody aka look at the predator and let go of it, but identification is very easy and I feel sometimes dead inside because I think I lack "gut intelligence". I become pretty good in looking to my body and get rid of tensions and connecting little neurotransmitters (yeah I like Wim Hof, cold adaptation etc...) but it's very "physical" not very emotional, I nonetheless have good relationships with my friends, sometimes my heart sings and I am not unhappy all day long. But the gut... my heart sings, heats, but the gut is stuck and the flow is disrupted.

I continue to dig psychologicaly and with dreams and in wakening my heart but I think it will be easier when the "Thing" will be gone :), I'll keep face when the controlling program is not in on mode. Thank for listening me.
 
Nico, I wonder if the discomfort you're experiencing in your solar plexus may in fact be a sign of your "gut intelligence" working properly or trying to tell you something; that there may be things your gut is "reading" about your environment or relationships that you haven't yet processed consciously for whatever reason. And if so, what might that be? Another thought about it is that this anxiousness, however uncomfortable, is your body's way of helping you to become aware of your different states, sort of like "growing pains" and spurring you on to learn and grow more. Also, just wondering if you started taking iodine?
 
Hi Nico, have you considered doing Rolfing for example since it deals directly with fascias? And are there times when the knots appear more strongly than other times?
 
So, I did a somatic session, and I felt snakes going through my visceral perceptions, continuing through the solar plexus and accelerating my heart and making my chest cold. I felt more relax after this, my mind is more focus.

Ennio : I begin to be more aware of this intelligence that you speak but it is hidden by this gut trauma and I think it's a good cause of my reaction paralysis located in neck, face, third eye and teeth... I've taken iodine for 6 months now and it helped me a lot, but this may have help the facia to detoxify and maybe the constriction is more structural and involve already healthy tissues ?

Gawan : I will consider Rolfin when I will have money, but maybe I'll ask my roommate to help me more, as he's an osteopathy student. And, the knots appear more strongly when I'm alone, reading for example, while my mind "read" my body and automatically constricts more the already constricted area :(, bad habits. It hints my attention to be focus on the activity. When I'm socially engaged with other it hides inside and I'm sure is projecting some unnecessary thoughts in my experience.

I think I need exterior expert help, but lacking money it's not for know. I will continue reading the map of the mind aka the body in Peter Levine terms, thank you guys for your support !
 
Hey I stumble upon this today ! Alan Watkins presents a very interesting theory about breathing and control ! And I love his british accent ;)

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xc3XdOiGGI

The theory :
To learn to control yourself/change yourself, you have to go deeper in the physiology (sense, perceptions...) to get contact with God aka Information Field. Physiology influences emotions which is energy in motion, emotions influence feelings which is the idea of the mind of the energy/information going through your body, feelings influence thinking which influence your responses to the world.

It talks about the vagus nerve and heart beat influencing the cortex of the brain, and then comes with an answer to calmness and effectiveness which is also found in eiriu eolas with some variation. Indeed he tells us to breath to control physiology emotion feelings thoughts But, rhythmically and smoothly, that's what I already learn with EE. His variation is that instead of focusing on the belly to breath he advises to breath through the heart region. When I began EE my problem was I pushed my belly with back and abs muscles downward, and so my chest was frozen and my hips too relax to support my upper chest. My chest was not able to express itself and so I didn't get too much contact with solar plexus sensations. Focusing on the heart regulates smoothly the diaphragm. Maybe the belly breathing is more advisable during the comfort of the session and to train muscles, but when active and standing up focusing the heart is more dynamic, and it really relax and open my chest. Watkins also said the heart have much more electromagnetic power than the brain so focusing here calm down more dramatically the focus/attention than trying to get control over the thougths directly.

The next step toward self control is control over emotion :)...

So shock and challenge yourself consciously with calm and ease to get through life ! With this "tool" it makes all easier ;)

An acronym of him : B.R.E.A.T.H.E. : breathe rhythmically evenly and through the heart everyday.

Really enjoy the talk !
 
Nico, it could be that the iodine is affecting your body in some way. Have you tried taking less to see if that calms things down? It could be tied to emotions as you said, and I second Luis' advice to skip the Beatha part for a while. If the sensation does seem to worsen with time, I'd have it checked out just in case. Also, you wrote:

Nico said:
[...] When I began EE my problem was I pushed my belly with back and abs muscles downward, and so my chest was frozen and my hips too relax to support my upper chest. My chest was not able to express itself and so I didn't get too much contact with solar plexus sensations. Focusing on the heart regulates smoothly the diaphragm. Maybe the belly breathing is more advisable during the comfort of the session and to train muscles,
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When we belly breathe or practice belly breathing it's important to not force it using our abs muscles! The belly should naturally go forward (as the diaphragm goes down) when we breathe in, and naturally move back (as the diaphragm goes up) when we breathe out. We don't force it with our muscles. Maybe if you try it this way, it will help? But if focusing on the heart helps you to belly breathe more naturally, that's good too. :)
 
Oxajil said:
Nico, it could be that the iodine is affecting your body in some way. Have you tried taking less to see if that calms things down? It could be tied to emotions as you said, and I second Luis' advice to skip the Beatha part for a while. If the sensation does seem to worsen with time, I'd have it checked out just in case. Also, you wrote:

Nico said:
[...] When I began EE my problem was I pushed my belly with back and abs muscles downward, and so my chest was frozen and my hips too relax to support my upper chest. My chest was not able to express itself and so I didn't get too much contact with solar plexus sensations. Focusing on the heart regulates smoothly the diaphragm. Maybe the belly breathing is more advisable during the comfort of the session and to train muscles,
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When we belly breathe or practice belly breathing it's important to not force it using our abs muscles! The belly should naturally go forward (as the diaphragm goes down) when we breathe in, and naturally move back (as the diaphragm goes up) when we breathe out. We don't force it with our muscles. Maybe if you try it this way, it will help? But if focusing on the heart helps you to belly breathe more naturally, that's good too. :)
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Another idea that may help you with using your diaphragm properly is to remember your body is 3-dimensional. Instead of just focusing on what your belly is doing, you might want to try "breathing into your back". By feeling the area of your back that is opposite your belly expand, you will get a easy full breath. Kind of like a balloon that expands in all directions situated just below your solar plexus. This sort of breath pattern can also alert you to any stuck areas in your back. It's so easy to forget about the back. We never see it! ;)
 
Oho good advices guys ! I already breathe in all stuck area, and I found the backbone really stuck, neck and shoulders and particularly the mid backbone which is tied to the forward solar plexus. I feel I begin to breathe more relax, problems are more when I'm standing up, how to breathe more dynamically without forcing. I am more alert focus and relax, and connected to the heart, but there's this belly zone where I feel like spiderwebs not letting go the tensions. I will focus here and see what happen !
 
herondancer said:
Another idea that may help you with using your diaphragm properly is to remember your body is 3-dimensional. Instead of just focusing on what your belly is doing, you might want to try "breathing into your back". By feeling the area of your back that is opposite your belly expand, you will get a easy full breath. Kind of like a balloon that expands in all directions situated just below your solar plexus. This sort of breath pattern can also alert you to any stuck areas in your back. It's so easy to forget about the back. We never see it! ;)
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That's really helpful advice, I can feel a much deeper and more expansive breath when I include the back too.
 
Hello again !

Yeah Lainey I tried it too and it's helping a lot, and as I got deeper in the phisiology I began to see that my backbone is very disrupt, that there is stagnation in different portion of the backbone, and lot of stress result in. So I focus on it and let go as blood flow come into the knots, I experienced some release in it, more emotion coming up, more focus with the mind and more dense state, more presence in the body.

And the problem in my abdomen seems to react to this, it's kind of "alive" : that's maybe anger stuck, or spirit bounded, or mold in the deodenum, or a combination of all of these... I'm quite confused so I decided to see an Applied Kinesiologist as Foxx told in his article and will tell in the upcoming health and wellness show.

https://www.sott.net/article/319266-SOTT-Exclusive-What-is-Applied-Kinesiology-and-what-can-it-do-for-you
 
I don't know if it is the product of iodine or the crystals that I got yesterday, but interesting thing happened last night. I was doing the full EE, and while doing the round breathing I experienced the same influx of energy that I can feel for some time now while I'm meditating. So far I was only able to create this energy flow while meditating, but now I felt it during the round breathing. What is also interesting is that this influx only came during the slow parts of this breathing, so it came three times, only during the slow parts in this three cycle breathing process. It felt the same as during the meditation, it would come (it was moderate in intensity) and last for about half a minute.
 
I've had quite a break from EE due to my working hours but for me meditation has always Being very beneficial. I had always intended to start EE again after an operation I recently had and I began in earnest about 3 weeks ago. I am currently off work so time at the moment isn't as important. During this time I've also been involved in a dispute which I've discussed in another thread on the forum. This has caused me distress and I've been damn right angry and hurt by it all.

I've been in a sling which I thought I'd have on for up to 2 months. I had my first visit back to see the specialist last Thursday after the op. I've been practicing EE with my intention on healing the effected area on my arm. I like to keep things simple in meditation and I don't over focus on this as during my practice I like to be still and if thoughts pop into my Mind I let them flow. When I'm practicing the breathing section's During pipe breathing I'm relaxed but very aware of my body and the flow of my breath.
During the Betha as Laura advises my intention Is to breathe in what I need right now (healing energy for my arm) and to breathe out and let go of any negative emotion and toxins that my body doesn't need.
In the POTS I usually feel a nice rhythm with the breath and words and I can usually feel a deep relaxation during this part of the program. I have on occasions charged my crystals before I start EE and they'd be sat with me during the whole practice.
The specialist advised me to remove the sling completely after my visit. He said he couldn't be happier with my progress. I was given further exercises and I need to be careful with regards to lifting anything but generally great news.

I believe the EE has been instrumental in my recovery. I have accepted the injury during my meditation practice and this has allowed me to focus on the healing aspect. The pipe breathing I feel as enabled me to sit with the pain and discomfort after the operation and release it. The physio asked on Monday if I was still taking pain killers. I stopped taking them 4 days after the operation which she seemed shocked about. I honestly believe it's solely down to EE. Just think I haven't even started to apply the comfrey oil and DMSO which should help further

As I mentioned in another thread I've had a recent dispute which has upset me deeply. I've not been sleeping well over tha last few days and it's completely dominated my thoughts and my conversation. I had been going round in circles a little bit, very confused though I've received some excellent advice and support from the forum.
I was practicing EE on Monday and during the POTS section I think I was advised by my inner voice. The dispute kept coming into my mind during EE and my mind had been playing out scenes of what could and might happen. I don't stop them I just let them run their course. During the POTS I experienced a moment of complete stillness and clarity. It was a knowing but one I felt all over that told me to sit with the anger and pain and feel it. I don't have to make any quick decisions or worry what or why other people do things Because that is out of my control. I think it was me allowing myself to be angry and hurt without judgement.

It could of been a release or an acceptance about the events that have happened. Although I'm still waking up earlier than normal my mind has quitened down from what it was. I feel a lot calmer about it the situation now.
 
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