Claus
Jedi Council Member
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I Hear Them
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Hi,
I´m sorry to read about your problems writtenfromadarkness.
I also think you should get professional help first.
In the meantime, stop talking/listening to the voices - ALL of them. Do a meditation, pipe breathing and mentally block intrusive thoughts.
Also, think about who you are letting in your close proximity: toxic people, are you part of some new age group, etc, and cut ties with them.
You say that you are 50 and it started 3 years ago; what changed +3 years ago in your life?
I second what others have written, with emphasis on therapy, diet and meditation.
I´m sorry to read about your problems writtenfromadarkness.
I also think you should get professional help first.
In the meantime, stop talking/listening to the voices - ALL of them. Do a meditation, pipe breathing and mentally block intrusive thoughts.
Also, think about who you are letting in your close proximity: toxic people, are you part of some new age group, etc, and cut ties with them.
You say that you are 50 and it started 3 years ago; what changed +3 years ago in your life?
I second what others have written, with emphasis on therapy, diet and meditation.
hi, i am not qualified, but could this be related to schizophrenia?
Yeah I'm surprised there was no diagnosis. Perhaps a family member has some paper with the word "schizophrenia" on it. The rest doesn't surprise me: I have a friend who has been in and out of mental institutions and his voices never went away.
Voices may induce schizophrenia. Three people I know, though more or less polite, have schizophrenic or autistic behavior. I may not be able to get a word through to them. Otherwise they're not bad.
Command/override doesn't usually seem to be a worry as far as my extremely unprofessional experience suggests, but it could theoretically become one if you start to believe them. Perhaps those are the ones you see on the news.
More common experiences are ridicule, thought repetition, volume adjustment, voices entering different body parts from heart to deep inside the brain, blurry images in the mind's eye. People may seem to repeat what you're reading, and be all-around lowlifes, but nothing actionable ever happens. Their preference here is to humiliate and diagnose a victim with schizophrenia.
For learning empathy for schizophrenics, the board has a book recommendation called "Operators and Things." Beyond empathy and story, I'm not sure it's useful. It's skeptical of sex-obsessed therapists. I don't remember much else.
For the nitty-gritty details about schizophrenia, there's a book called The Matter With Things. There's a lot of great information, but there's too much information. James Tilly Matthews, the first person (I believe) diagnosed with schizophrenia, gets a brief mention. It made me look him up and wonder whether he really had it, or whether his doctor was a psychopath, or both.
Walking Among Us is a book about secret telepathic semi-humans which will either frighten you or give you a sense of relief.
Clear-Hearers by DeSouza, which is perhaps not recommended here, is by a former FBI agent who briefly mentions that the FBI can and will give everyone voices, 24 hours a day.
Voices may induce schizophrenia. Three people I know, though more or less polite, have schizophrenic or autistic behavior. I may not be able to get a word through to them. Otherwise they're not bad.
Command/override doesn't usually seem to be a worry as far as my extremely unprofessional experience suggests, but it could theoretically become one if you start to believe them. Perhaps those are the ones you see on the news.
More common experiences are ridicule, thought repetition, volume adjustment, voices entering different body parts from heart to deep inside the brain, blurry images in the mind's eye. People may seem to repeat what you're reading, and be all-around lowlifes, but nothing actionable ever happens. Their preference here is to humiliate and diagnose a victim with schizophrenia.
For learning empathy for schizophrenics, the board has a book recommendation called "Operators and Things." Beyond empathy and story, I'm not sure it's useful. It's skeptical of sex-obsessed therapists. I don't remember much else.
For the nitty-gritty details about schizophrenia, there's a book called The Matter With Things. There's a lot of great information, but there's too much information. James Tilly Matthews, the first person (I believe) diagnosed with schizophrenia, gets a brief mention. It made me look him up and wonder whether he really had it, or whether his doctor was a psychopath, or both.
Walking Among Us is a book about secret telepathic semi-humans which will either frighten you or give you a sense of relief.
Clear-Hearers by DeSouza, which is perhaps not recommended here, is by a former FBI agent who briefly mentions that the FBI can and will give everyone voices, 24 hours a day.
SlipNet
The Living Force
Hi @writtenfromdarkness, I truly empathise with what you have written in the posts above. I had a nervous breakdown back in 2004 after seeing a UFO, and have heard voices ever since. It's difficult to advise because every individual situation is different, but first things first, I'd like to lay out a few pointers as basic advice.
1. Keep a journal. Even if it's just an ephemeral diary, it's a start. Put down in writing what you think and feel about your experiences. Log down anything that is of interest and importance. You say you are hearing voices, put down in writing what they say (if you can remember) so you have a reference point for further analysis. Take steps to analyse their nefarious input. I understand that this can be difficult if you're mind gets hectic, but perhaps late at night you can take stock of daily events and reflect on what you've experienced thus far. Back in the years 2004-12, I had entities running commentary on my day to day life exploits, and they sought to humiliate me. This is a battle for your soul orientation, take it seriously and make efforts to fight back. 4d critters are clever and cunning, and you need to be smart in return. Pour your heart and mind out in writing, it truly helps.
2. Like others have said above, watch your diet and keep it as healthy as possible. I'd recommend plenty of meat and fish, and keep carbs and gluten to a minimum. A healthy body helps a healthy mind after all. Chicken and beef, along with bacon, those I would recommend.
3. Be careful of what you watch and read. Avoid pathological content, be it in books, articles, TV, movies etc. What we take into ourselves can affect how we think, so try to be as discerning as possible about what you do in your day to day life. I'd echo what others have said, The Wave is an essential primer for sound intellectual pursuits. It's free to access online on the Cassiopaea website, so I'd recommend that for starters. Good psychological hygiene is how I'd describe it.
4. If you're hearing the voices, starve them of energy by not responding to them, it's what they want. You're a sovereign being, your body and mind is your turf, so don't let those invasive thoughts/entities take control. I know from personal experience that this is very difficult, but you can do it with repeated efforts. Trust none of them, no benevolent force would invade your mind, so know that they are truly the enemy. You have no idea how strong you could become, take heart from this.
5. Daily prayer is a great bonus for us suffering souls. If you know about it, Laura's Prayer of the Soul is a tremendous helping hand in grounding oneself in spiritual balance in our tumultuous world. It need only take a minute or two to recite, but it acts as an affirmation to the universe that you are here and you intend to make efforts to make the world a better place. As with all things, the effects from this will take time. I pray about 3/4 times a week, and I know I could do more, so don't think you're alone on this. Basically in the prayer you are saying, "I am here, a lowly soul, and I want to bear witness to the world in all its troubles, and make my own efforts to make it a better place". If you invoke the light, it will shine on you in response.
6. Never lose your sense of humour. Again, when suffering this is easier said than done when you're struggling, but it's a vital asset, it's what makes us human. Notice that humour is what those entities lack, so it's a vital part of our spiritual arsenal. Laugh at yourself when you act silly, and reflect on this and move on, learning as you go. Having a good sense of humour is one of life's natural gifts; there's 8 billion of us down here on this crazy planet, dare to be different from the miserable norm.
7. Tobacco. As a stress reliever, I cannot understate how awesome having a smoke is. It really helps, plus it also has physical bonuses as well. I suffered from asthma till I was about 16, and when I started smoking a few years later it completely disappeared. I don't think that's a coincidence. I'm not saying smoke 20 a day or anything like that, but a wee ciggie can be a handy perk in one's day to day life.
I might add more ideas as they come to me, but know that you are not alone, and there is always hope that you can vanquish those bastard voices. Try not to listen to them, it's not worth the energy. All the best to you, and don't let them get you down.
1. Keep a journal. Even if it's just an ephemeral diary, it's a start. Put down in writing what you think and feel about your experiences. Log down anything that is of interest and importance. You say you are hearing voices, put down in writing what they say (if you can remember) so you have a reference point for further analysis. Take steps to analyse their nefarious input. I understand that this can be difficult if you're mind gets hectic, but perhaps late at night you can take stock of daily events and reflect on what you've experienced thus far. Back in the years 2004-12, I had entities running commentary on my day to day life exploits, and they sought to humiliate me. This is a battle for your soul orientation, take it seriously and make efforts to fight back. 4d critters are clever and cunning, and you need to be smart in return. Pour your heart and mind out in writing, it truly helps.
2. Like others have said above, watch your diet and keep it as healthy as possible. I'd recommend plenty of meat and fish, and keep carbs and gluten to a minimum. A healthy body helps a healthy mind after all. Chicken and beef, along with bacon, those I would recommend.
3. Be careful of what you watch and read. Avoid pathological content, be it in books, articles, TV, movies etc. What we take into ourselves can affect how we think, so try to be as discerning as possible about what you do in your day to day life. I'd echo what others have said, The Wave is an essential primer for sound intellectual pursuits. It's free to access online on the Cassiopaea website, so I'd recommend that for starters. Good psychological hygiene is how I'd describe it.
4. If you're hearing the voices, starve them of energy by not responding to them, it's what they want. You're a sovereign being, your body and mind is your turf, so don't let those invasive thoughts/entities take control. I know from personal experience that this is very difficult, but you can do it with repeated efforts. Trust none of them, no benevolent force would invade your mind, so know that they are truly the enemy. You have no idea how strong you could become, take heart from this.
5. Daily prayer is a great bonus for us suffering souls. If you know about it, Laura's Prayer of the Soul is a tremendous helping hand in grounding oneself in spiritual balance in our tumultuous world. It need only take a minute or two to recite, but it acts as an affirmation to the universe that you are here and you intend to make efforts to make the world a better place. As with all things, the effects from this will take time. I pray about 3/4 times a week, and I know I could do more, so don't think you're alone on this. Basically in the prayer you are saying, "I am here, a lowly soul, and I want to bear witness to the world in all its troubles, and make my own efforts to make it a better place". If you invoke the light, it will shine on you in response.
6. Never lose your sense of humour. Again, when suffering this is easier said than done when you're struggling, but it's a vital asset, it's what makes us human. Notice that humour is what those entities lack, so it's a vital part of our spiritual arsenal. Laugh at yourself when you act silly, and reflect on this and move on, learning as you go. Having a good sense of humour is one of life's natural gifts; there's 8 billion of us down here on this crazy planet, dare to be different from the miserable norm.
7. Tobacco. As a stress reliever, I cannot understate how awesome having a smoke is. It really helps, plus it also has physical bonuses as well. I suffered from asthma till I was about 16, and when I started smoking a few years later it completely disappeared. I don't think that's a coincidence. I'm not saying smoke 20 a day or anything like that, but a wee ciggie can be a handy perk in one's day to day life.
I might add more ideas as they come to me, but know that you are not alone, and there is always hope that you can vanquish those bastard voices. Try not to listen to them, it's not worth the energy. All the best to you, and don't let them get you down.
Fluffy
Jedi Master
I’d also suggest reading about discarnate energies, Laura has videos on YouTube you could watch on spirit releasement though I don’t suggest you do this on yourself or anyone, but may be to give you an idea of what you could be dealing with.
I have experienced something similar- while I was using marijuana many years ago. I could hear two distinct voices and I knew that I was attracting them because they wanted to latch on and get high with me. They left when I no longer smoked, they couldn’t feed off that energy because I had disengaged in the activity.
May be it’s not spirit attachment but if you haven’t read William Baldwins book on spirit releasement as suggested in earlier posts I would if I were you. At last to understand what it’s all about as a possibility of what you might be experiencing, and it’s very interesting anyway :)
Hi Shari,
Well... That all sounds very overwhelming! Glad your search has fortuitously led you here.
I am sorry you have been enduring this - and having sought professional help, tried medication, suffered side effects, discontinued medication this seems to have left you feeling very confused, kinda alone and overwhelmed in some ways from the sounds of things.
Lots of support available if you are willing to do a lot of reading and reflecting. You have had many great suggestions from others here that will all really help on so many levels. I also place a great deal of weight on the suggestion to read The Wave - it gives you the 'bigger picture' pretty quickly.
When I read your post, a subject that springs to mind immediately is parasites. Parasites act as 'receivers', like 'antennae' so that entities like the ones interacting with you can zero in on someone / affect them in many extremely unpleasant ways. Most of us are walking around with a lovely smorgasbord of them in our bodies, some parasites are not 'bad' but many are terrible for us and directly related to a massive number of health issues.
This might interest you, from a session with the C's:
Session 18 July 2015
Did I make that last point big enough for you?
(helps to have a sense of humour around here)
So we are basically critters hosting critters.
Parasites are e v e r y w h e r e. Ugh, soooo gross.
We need to wham the nasty ones in our own bodies if we remotely want to stand a chance.
You can search the forum for info about this. There are a lot of threads where parasites are mentioned.
You might also want to check out our news site: SOTT.net for amazing articles on every subject imaginable.
Here's one on parasites:
Another 'Parasite' thread on this forum:
"They are more likely to get themselves killed." Same goes for humans who are 'asleep at the wheel', riddled with parasites. Their 'gut instincts' don't work. They are far more at risk of doing something stupid without realising. What do you reckon is going to happen with a gut/brain/body full of critters feeding off you?!
A quote from Laura:
The C's have a deceptively simple saying: "Knowledge Protects, Ignorance Endangers". From what I have learned since joining this forum, real knowledge is the only thing that will make any difference to your wellbeing. Without it we are 'toast' and will remain stuck, suffering on the hamster wheel of hell.
These entities / voices you sound like they are very comfortable where they are. They are definitely feeding off you, but they are also influencing you heavily consciously and unconsciously and their presence makes you very vulnerable in ways you cannot even begin to imagine. Likely they will not take kindly to you REALLY transforming the status quo - so you may find life gets a little more challenging if you really start committing yourself to sending them packing, but I encourage you to push back with all your might. It's going to take dedication, hard work and consistent effort to seek real knowledge and gradually grow in awareness - so you can transform your inner and outer reality. Any lengths you have to go to, are surely better living with that nightmare in your head.
I note that you are a Horror Fiction writer. Respectfully, I would think this is very 'fertile ground' for these entities in many ways. "Where attention goes, energy flows". Therefore, in terms of spiritual/psychological hygiene SlipNet offered you a lot of great advice in their post, but I feel to emphasise this:
Have you ever considered writing something different (ie: not horror) - or perhaps to begin with, reading something very different to 'cleanse the palate', as it were?
Many on the forum embarked on a group reading project (Romantic Fiction) that you might be interested in
(later, after you have read The Wave).
Regarding this, Laura said:
If you read The Wave first, then you will understand Hyperkinetic Sensate / how it relates to reading Romantic Fiction. The Wave gives you clarity and perspective about the reality of the situation we find ourselves in in 3D and what we can actually do about it. You need a solid baseline to start from.
Definitely do a post to introduce yourself when you feel ready, you will receive a welcome message that offers you lots of links to helpful info and a framework to start your research from - if you so choose.
Good luck Shari.
Well... That all sounds very overwhelming! Glad your search has fortuitously led you here.
I am sorry you have been enduring this - and having sought professional help, tried medication, suffered side effects, discontinued medication this seems to have left you feeling very confused, kinda alone and overwhelmed in some ways from the sounds of things.
Lots of support available if you are willing to do a lot of reading and reflecting. You have had many great suggestions from others here that will all really help on so many levels. I also place a great deal of weight on the suggestion to read The Wave - it gives you the 'bigger picture' pretty quickly.
When I read your post, a subject that springs to mind immediately is parasites. Parasites act as 'receivers', like 'antennae' so that entities like the ones interacting with you can zero in on someone / affect them in many extremely unpleasant ways. Most of us are walking around with a lovely smorgasbord of them in our bodies, some parasites are not 'bad' but many are terrible for us and directly related to a massive number of health issues.
This might interest you, from a session with the C's:
Session 18 July 2015
Did I make that last point big enough for you?
(helps to have a sense of humour around here)
So we are basically critters hosting critters.
Parasites are e v e r y w h e r e. Ugh, soooo gross.
We need to wham the nasty ones in our own bodies if we remotely want to stand a chance.
You can search the forum for info about this. There are a lot of threads where parasites are mentioned.
You might also want to check out our news site: SOTT.net for amazing articles on every subject imaginable.
Here's one on parasites:
Parasites: The hidden invaders
Use 'search' to look for other posts on parasites on the site.Another 'Parasite' thread on this forum:
Toxoplasmosis - The Return of the Puppet Masters
"They are more likely to get themselves killed." Same goes for humans who are 'asleep at the wheel', riddled with parasites. Their 'gut instincts' don't work. They are far more at risk of doing something stupid without realising. What do you reckon is going to happen with a gut/brain/body full of critters feeding off you?!
A quote from Laura:
The C's have a deceptively simple saying: "Knowledge Protects, Ignorance Endangers". From what I have learned since joining this forum, real knowledge is the only thing that will make any difference to your wellbeing. Without it we are 'toast' and will remain stuck, suffering on the hamster wheel of hell.
These entities / voices you sound like they are very comfortable where they are. They are definitely feeding off you, but they are also influencing you heavily consciously and unconsciously and their presence makes you very vulnerable in ways you cannot even begin to imagine. Likely they will not take kindly to you REALLY transforming the status quo - so you may find life gets a little more challenging if you really start committing yourself to sending them packing, but I encourage you to push back with all your might. It's going to take dedication, hard work and consistent effort to seek real knowledge and gradually grow in awareness - so you can transform your inner and outer reality. Any lengths you have to go to, are surely better living with that nightmare in your head.
I note that you are a Horror Fiction writer. Respectfully, I would think this is very 'fertile ground' for these entities in many ways. "Where attention goes, energy flows". Therefore, in terms of spiritual/psychological hygiene SlipNet offered you a lot of great advice in their post, but I feel to emphasise this:
Have you ever considered writing something different (ie: not horror) - or perhaps to begin with, reading something very different to 'cleanse the palate', as it were?
Many on the forum embarked on a group reading project (Romantic Fiction) that you might be interested in
(later, after you have read The Wave).
Regarding this, Laura said:
The thread related to this project is called: Romantic Fiction, Reality Shaping and The Work.
If you read The Wave first, then you will understand Hyperkinetic Sensate / how it relates to reading Romantic Fiction. The Wave gives you clarity and perspective about the reality of the situation we find ourselves in in 3D and what we can actually do about it. You need a solid baseline to start from.
Definitely do a post to introduce yourself when you feel ready, you will receive a welcome message that offers you lots of links to helpful info and a framework to start your research from - if you so choose.
Good luck Shari.