Danny I appreciate your effort and your answer. Thank you.
Danny said:
Adamics tend to feel like things can be restored to how they once were through enough esoterical work and networking.
Pre-Adamics (what I am struggling with at the moment) will say "The world sucks,it always sucked and will continue sucking"and the notion that people have to learn the hard way in order to get a point across.
"things can be restored to how they once were".
A little story for you to enjoy: As you all know, I live in Mexico City. At the cenrtal square (Zócalo), there are Dancers. They dance at the rhythm of drums, flutes and other instruments. They wear the indumentary of ancient mexicans: Feathered headdresses, bells at the ankles, wrist, anckles and neck ornaments and show tradittional weapons like bone made spears or bows, shields, and a very long etcetera. On times there are characters: A "priest"; the eagle warrior; companions, dancers representing "the directions" or the elements; etc. In general, their dances aim to honour ancient mexican tradittions and that particular spirituality, the one of many centuries ago: A Prehispanic performance. It is all ok. It can be beautiful of hipnotic as to achieve a "trance" because of the rhythm of the drums, depends on the orientation of the beholder. Tourists and curious nationals have a nice time and all. There are several "performances" of this type all over, but particulary this one I am refering to, which is NOT made for tourists, has a message within (they do it at the main square because it is, so they say, a "place of power", because there is a very important arqueological place right there).
They ideal aim of this dancers, what they want, is for the old manner of to rule, to return to power. They want ancient gobernment style to be operative in the mexican society: A gerontocracy (the elder people to have a say on desittions); the reincorporation of another coin (aztec coin) and another economical system (aztec system) instead of the courrent Peso and the courrent Capitalism; the ritualization of social events at to pay homenage to ancient gods in their respective moments of the year, etc; the rescue and habilitation of the aztec calendar timing style; the teaching in every school of Aztec and Náhuatl languajes............ EEETTTCCCEEETTTEEERRRAAA.......
In a nut: They hope things to be restored to how they once were.
I respect, appreciate and admire this cultural manifestations. I am mexican and I am proud to be mexican and I am well aware of the history of México and I am a concient individual who also happens to realize how things are (this is another story).
The thing is: It happens with this groups (the ones dancing at the main square and their inter-groupal disencounters) what Laura has been explaining about New Age (I am particulary thinking on the moment she had a encounter with Reiki and how she came to stablish the rather subtile difference that, to give "love and light" is not precisely to "make the world a better place"): As a part of the "show", they perform "cleanings": They pass over your body smoke, and the fellow making this ceremony, talks to the ancient brothers and recomends you with them and talks to them about you in a good manner so you have their favour and protection, etc. I have found this groups are fanatics. And the main critic would be to present to them a lack of dessire/hability/interest on living the real life of contemporary world with all it's problematic. They dont seem to understand that, culturaly, México is the result of a simbiosis: Spain is here. United States is here. The so called "cultural invasion" is here, in the veins of all of us, mexicans, and of all of us, humans. Those influences habe been here since long time ago, and they will not go. It is with this influences that México has been building the nation it is.
The historic past is a constitutive element of the contemporary present, since such a historical past is WHAT WE ARE.
This is valid for all groups all over the world with such a caracteristics: To restore the things to how they once were... is a quimera from every angle and is a rejection of the way things are NOW. And, what happens when we close our eyes to the way the things are NOW? Such a person(s)/group(s) (I am NOT including Danny here, I am just making my point) sinks into the past, leaving behind not even a memory.
The "Adamic" race is this?
"Pre-Adamics (what I am struggling with at the moment) will say "The world sucks,it always sucked and will continue sucking"and the notion that people have to learn the hard way in order to get a point across."
This pesimists, those who think the world is wrong, it has always being wrong and will continue to be wrong, are precisely that: Pesimists. I am one of those, but not a "systematic pesimist" who no matter what will continue to think it is all wrong anyway.
To my perception, the world sucks indeed. And like you, Danny, I have got this "shortcuts" on my system. I also think the posibility for the world to change is far and goes further every day. BUT (and this is you too, Danny, on your posts on this discussion), I struggle and fight with my self to see the light and or to be the light and or whatever is necesary in order for me to survive (emotionally, phisically, spiritually, etc). And, like you, like all those reading this site, have come to at least a preliminar conclussion: The solution to MY world lyes within MY own self, thus, the fight is spiritual and not many see and recognize this panoramic.
This is where EVERYTHING starts but, I assure you, Danny: A Organic Portal is NOT on this struggle. Does not see/recognize this panoramic.
Now, lets say you are, indeed, a Organic Portal. So? Does that stops you from living and enjoying your life? Thoes that makes you have a third leg of tentacles instead of arms? I mean, what if you are a OP? What? Where is the problem?
I see one and only one problem: You dont wanting, because of any reason, to continue to be a Organic Portal anymore (if either you/we really understand or not what is that). And well, that would only render the thing even better for you man! :)
I thank you, Danny, for posting this ideas and the courage you have got as to talk about your self in the terms you did: I am sure we all appreciate that from you. Please dont think I was being critic on your worries/ideas: Absolutelly not! You have been talking about a inner perception, and that deserves from me total respect and sensibility. I am just trying to participate in a coherent mnanner, offering you my take for you to consider, like the rest of us. Man, I also have my struggles and boy I do share your appreciations about the world and the judgment they have provoked towards your own person!
Danny said:
Where would we be right now with nothing damning or horrific to talk about?What then would we be doing on this planet?Would we be sitting here talking about our latest crocheting creation,or trading apple pie recipes?Unfortunatly,I have to answer honestly and say that I think I would be bored to tears in a truly harmonious existence.This is where my feelings of being an OP stem from.Without chaos,there can't be a dictionary definition of order.It wouldn't be order,just the way things are.Does that make sense?
I think that, if there were no darkness, there would not be a "trully harmonious existance" as a residual to that elimination (of the darkness from the world). Because like those who want the things to go back to the way they were, failing to say how the things were (is not what the books tells us, mind you!), the posibility of a harmonious existance would be gone too (along with the darkness), because there would not be a WHAT against which the "harmonious existance" would be being shaped: We shape harmony by discerning what is harmony -and discernign it our from the disharmony (from where else?). You have steped on THE cornerstone of the essence of the world! That is precisely WHY they say this is a school!
The war is spiritual. I am convinced of that. But spirituality is NOT, by any means, foreign to the materiality: The materialy is but THE VEHICLE of the spirituality, so, how important can it be, ah?
The opposite is New Age: Since you are very spiritual, you most then deny materiality (which will talk wonders about your "spirituality") and isolate your self from the world we live in. Instance to that would be a Danny NOT starting a discussion like this one, right?
Danny said:
I'm probably jumping all over the board here so bear with me.
This "jumping" is not, for me, in any way, detrimental to anything! How else to learn?
If you knew all you have teached me...
And I thank you every bit of it.
