Killary Clinton, The Donald, or Jill Stein: The US Election

AIPAC 2016 - Clinton / Trump & Petits rappel
Published on Jun 20, 2016

https://youtu.be/2dKBmE-S01Q

Hillary Clinton's Camp Prepares for an Endless War in Syria (Link full article and links within)
(updated 20:25 30.07.2016)
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160730/1043790771/clinton-war-hawks-syria.html
Hillary Clinton is regarded by many as a US hawk and with good reason: the Democratic hopeful has never missed an opportunity to support a US military intervention or its further expansion.

Full Show 7/28/16: Trump Gets Talking Points From Neo-Nazis
(57 Minutes Plus)
Published time: 29 Jul, 2016 08:00

https://youtu.be/kaGn8nLzJw4
Thom discusses whether the DNC will get rid of superdelegates with superdelegate Christine Pelosi, how Biden and Obama talked up Bernie Sanders in their speeches with The nation’s John Nichols, and the contrast between the two conventions with Representative Mark Pocan. In tonight’s Daily Take Thom reveals how Trump gets his talking points from white supremacist groups like Stormfront.

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‘They have a history of corruption’: Clinton Cash documentary author Peter Schweizer
Published on Jul 27, 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoTn3cHtXxQ
RT spoke to the author and executive producer of the documentary 'Clinton Cash' - Peter Schweizer, who believes Hillary Clinton needs power to keep the money coming in.

Edit: Trump, Israel & 9/11 Feb 21, 2016 Removed. Not relevant to the thread. (Apologies for the noise)
 
Pashalis said:
Mal7 said:
c.a. said:
Got a Hoodie homey :ninja:

Was Fred Trump (Donald’s Father) in the Ku Klux Klan?
He may have been. To put this in a historical context though, the KKK and white supremacist ideologies were practically part of American mainstream culture at this time, and not the socially unacceptable fringe group they are regarded as today.
[...]

So what exactly are you saying here? That it is not right or unfair to tread KKK as "socially unacceptable fringe group" today, because they were not so bad after all back then and had some good ideas and actions?

Or do I misunderstand something here? Can you clarify?

I don't think that's what Mal7 was implying. But what he IS implying is just as backwards. He's basically saying, "Because it was socially acceptable to be a reprehensible person with reprehensible beliefs and engage in reprehensible actions, then it actually wasn't reprehensible."

Mal7, do you realize that you are justifying racism? Do you also realize that, even though it may have been more widespread and "socially acceptable" back then, that there was and is still no justification for it? I mean, geeze, 2000 years ago Paul was writing that "there is neither Jew nor Gentile, slave nor free". Just because pathological racism has 'gone underground' today, that does NOT excuse it back then. It just points out the absence of any form of 'moral backbone' in the individuals in question.
 
Neil said:
Niall said:
Wu Wei Wu said:
Assuming the Clinton's don't fudge the vote, which is expected, Trump will sweep the presidency. He's just got a better, and very colourful team. It's also worth noting that his family has substantial business dealings with Russian oligarchs, the non-Western backed ones.

Wow, I did not know that. Got any links?
Not sure how much stock I put in the Washington Post, but this article seems to be more or less the basis of it in a nutshell. _https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-trumps-financial-ties-to-russia-and-his-unusual-flattery-of-vladimir-putin/2016/06/17/dbdcaac8-31a6-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

Overall, it looks to me like Trump spent a bit of time in Russia schmoozing, and made a couple of small deals, but never really brought home the bacon.

Spent time in Russia schmoozing? Doesn't sound very substantive to me.

Now The Guardian has put out this lengthy "exposé":

Donald Trump and Russia: a web that grows more tangled all the time

A key figure at the Republican national convention where Donald Trump was nominated for president has strong business ties with Ukraine, the Guardian has learned.

The party platform, written at the convention in Cleveland last week, removed references to arming Ukraine in its fight against pro-Russia rebels, who have received material support from the Kremlin. Trump’s links to Russia are under scrutiny after a hack of Democratic national committee emails, allegedly by Russian agents.

The coordinator of the Washington diplomatic corps for the Republicans in Cleveland was Frank Mermoud, a former state department official involved in business ventures in Ukraine via Cub Energy, a Black Sea-focused oil and gas company of which he is a director. He is also on the board of the US Ukraine Business Council.

Mermoud has longstanding ties to Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, who in 2010 helped pro-Russia Viktor Yanukovych refashion his image and win a presidential election in Ukraine. Manafort was brought in earlier this year to oversee the convention operations and its staffing.

Three sources at the convention also told the Guardian that they saw Philip Griffin, a long-time aide to Manafort in Kiev, working with the foreign dignitaries programme.

“After years of working in the Ukraine for Paul and others, it was surprising to run into Phil working at the convention,” one said.

The change to the platform on arming Ukraine was condemned even by some Republicans. Senator Rob Portman of Ohio described it as “deeply troubling”. Veteran party operative and lobbyist Charlie Black said the “new position in the platform doesn’t have much support from Republicans”, adding that the change “was unusual”.

Thousands of Democratic National Committee emails, meanwhile, were hacked and published by WikiLeaks on the eve of the party’s convention in Philadelphia this week. The mails showed that officials, who are meant to remain impartial, favoured Hillary Clinton and discussed ways to undermine her rival, Bernie Sanders. The leak led to the resignation of DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Since the DNC hack became public, hacks against the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Clinton campaign have been reported.

The FBI is investigating, with all signs pointing to Russian involvement, though Moscow rejects this but experts argue Vladimir Putin has attempted in the past to damage western democracy, saying Russian security agencies have made cyberattacks on French, Greek, Italian and Latvian targets during elections. In 2014, malware was discovered in Ukrainian election software that would have robbed it of legitimacy.

Alina Polyakova, deputy director of the Dinu Patriciu Eurasia Center at the Atlantic Council, said: “We can’t say 100% that Mr Putin had a hand in any of this but this kind of meddling in other countries’ affairs is part of Russia’s toolkit. It’s a kind of asymmetric warfare. To me, this looks like something straight from the Russian secret service playbook, but I’m surprised at how brazen they’ve been.”

Trump and his campaign have denied any connection to the hack but on Wednesday he ignited a firestorm by calling on Russia to find 30,000 emails deleted from the private server used by Clinton while she was secretary of state in the Obama administration. “I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press,” he said. He later claimed that he was being sarcastic.

Analysts suggest three primary motivations for the WikiLeaks email dump, quite probably overlapping: doing harm to the US political process to undermine its credibility; doing harm to Clinton (WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is no friend); and boosting Trump, who has heaped praise on Putin and last week broke from Republican policy by suggesting the US would not automatically come to the aid of Nato allies and saying he would consider recognising Crimea as Russian territory.

James Rubin, a former assistant secretary of state now advising the Clinton campaign, said: “If you are the president of Russia and you have stated over and over again that you are concerned that the United States – through its enlargement of Nato, through its policies in Europe towards Ukraine, towards Georgia, towards other countries in Central Asia – [is] putting pressure on Russia, and you are the president of a country that has been seeking to undermine that process and roll back the independent Europe that’s whole and free and push it back, that’s your foreign policy objective.

“So then you look at the United States and you say, ‘Well, which party’s policies would be more likely to allow me to achieve my objectives?’ That’s the way that a Russian leader would think.”

No, that's the way the American elite thinks.

With Democrats and journalists now trawling through Trump’s past dealings with “all the oligarchs”, as he once put it, as far back as the time of the Soviet Union, the candidate has repeatedly and angrily stated that he has “zero, nothing to do with Russia”. He has however continued to refuse to release his tax returns, which could prove his claim definitively.

If he doesn’t have anything to do with Russia today, Trump certainly has in the past. As far back as 1987, he was attempting to build branded hotels and condos in Moscow. “It’s a totally interesting place,” he said at the time. “I think the Soviet Union is really making an effort to cooperate in the sense of dealing openly with other nations and in opening up the country.”

Wow, they're just piling up the substance here :rolleyes:

His desire to build a Trump Tower near Red Square continued throughout the 1990s and in 2013 the businessman travelled to Moscow, hoping to meet Putin while taking in the Russian debut of his own Miss Universe beauty pageant.

Putin cancelled a meeting at the last minute, according to an oligarch who spoke to the Washington Post, but sent a gift and personal note. Trump did collect a a share of the $14m paid by investors including Aras Agalarov, a Azerbaijani-Russian billionaire property developer and close Putin associate, for bringing Miss Universe to Agalarov’s 7,500-seat Crocus City Hall.

In 2014, Trump told a press luncheon that he “spoke, indirectly and directly, with President Putin, who could not have been nicer”. A year earlier, he told MSNBC: “I do have a relationship and I can tell you that he’s very interested in what we’re doing here today.”

At the pageant in 2013, Trump was photographed with personalities such as the rapper Timati, who has since taken an outspoken pro-Kremlin position, recording a song with the refrain “my best friend is President Putin”.

Trump was also photographed with Miss Universe jury member Philipp Kirkorov, a flamboyant pop star who represented Russia at Eurovision in 1995. Kirkorov told the Guardian he first met Trump in 1994, when he performed at the businessman’s Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, and spent time with him again in 1999 and 2013.

That seals it for me: Putin is obviously in cahoots with Trump to rig the US election.

:headbash:

Kirkorov said he and Trump did not talk much about politics but rather “about life, about the beauty of Russian and American women”.

“I introduced Donald to the popular Russian-Ukrainian singer Ani Lorak,” Kirkorov said. “I know he’s a big connoisseur of female beauty, so he talked with her a lot the whole evening.

“He understands that friendship between America and Russia will lead only to positive events and an improvement in relations between our countries will be to everyone’s benefit, and I’m sure that’s why he has so many fans in our country.”

Agalarov is just one of several Russian billionaires tied to Trump. Discussing a possible Moscow hotel project with real estate website therealdeal.com in 2013, Trump boasted: “The Russian market is attracted to me. I have a great relationship with many Russians, and almost all of the oligarchs were in the room”.

On another occasion he declared: “Moscow right now in the world is a very, very important place. We wanted Moscow all the way.”

In 2008, Trump’s son, Donald Trump Jr, told a New York Russian real estate investors conference that a “lot of money [is] pouring in from Russia”. “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” he added.

A lot of the money was destined for the 46-storey Trump Soho hotel and condos project on Spring Street in New York City, which was partly funded by group of Russian and ex-Soviet state billionaires. After allegations of fraud by buyers, the project was embroiled in an investigation by the Manhattan district attorney. Trump and his partners settled out of court. There had been plans to build a replica building in Moscow. It never happened.

In 2008, Trump sold a six-acre oceanfront Palm Beach mansion for $95m – a record deal that netted him $53.6m. The buyer was Russian fertiliser billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev, who was reported in the Panama Papers leaks to have used offshore law firms to hide more than $2bn-worth of art works, including pieces by Picasso, Van Gogh and Leonardo, from his wife in advance of their divorce.

For his part, Paul Manafort has been closely tied to Ukraine over the past decade, making millions from consulting work. He worked for Rinat Akhmetov, Dmitry Firtash and Oleg Deripaska, three major pro-Russia oligarchs, as an adviser.

Much of Manafort’s relationship with Firtash was exposed in a 2011 racketeering lawsuit that was later dismissed. It described Manafort as aiding the mogul in moving his wealth out of Ukraine and into overseas assets. Firtash is now under indictment in the US, and Deripaska is banned from entering the country due to ties with organised crime.

Manafort’s relationship with Deripaska has recently suffered. The mogul is suing Manafort in the Cayman Islands for allegedly disappearing with $19m of his money. Manafort also worked for Yanukovych and helped guide the pro-Russia candidate to victory in the 2010 Ukranian election. Yanukovych was overthrown in 2014 and is now exiled in Russia.

Another of Trump’s foreign policy advisers, Carter Page, is an investment banker with close links to Gazprom, the Kremlin-controlled gas company, and has long been an outspoken supporter of Putin. He has gone so far as to compare US foreign policy towards Russia under the Obama administration to slavery in the antebellum south.

Trump adviser Michael Flynn, a former US military intelligence chief, sat two places away from Putin at the state-funded TV network Russia Today’s 10th anniversary party last year.

TWO places away? Wow, the evidence is just overwhelming.

The web of associations between Trump and Moscow remains ambiguous and intriguing. Asked if Putin and Trump could be actively colluding, Alina Polyakova of the Dinu Patriciu Eurasia Center replied: “I don’t think it would be that direct. That would be stupid. Trump wants the power of denial.”

Chris Coons, a Democratic senator for Delaware, said: “That seems to be a striking allegation to make because that would be unbelievably irresponsible. I have heard in the last day troubling allegations of the relationship between Paul Manafort and players in the Ukraine who are very closely tied to Putin and the Kremlin but I have no evidence about it.”

Coons added: “At this point we should allow the intelligence community and our foreign policy leaders to pursue whatever leads there may be to whatever conclusion they will reach. I do think the degree of irresponsibility shown by Donald Trump in literally urging on an illegal surveillance act by a hostile foreign power raises strong enough questions that it merits investigation. It’s truly unsettling and something that deserves out attention.”

Jim Lewis, a senior vice-president and programme director at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, noted that Russians had hacked into the DNC and its Republican counterpart in 2008 and 2012, but those hacks were not leaked.

“The difference this time is the leak,” he said. “We can say with some certainty that it’s Russian hacking, but we should be cautious about saying they were behind the leak.”

:nuts:

"Putin definitely did it, but we should be careful about saying that because it's a lie."

Direct collusion with the Trump campaign is probably not happening, Lewis said. “Let’s say you’re working with someone in the Trump campaign. How do you communicate with them? I think it’s unlikely given the practical difficulties.”

Joseph Schmitz, a foreign policy adviser to Trump, denied there was any direct relationship between the campaign and the Kremlin.

“We had to negotiate with Joseph Stalin when we had a common enemy called Hitler,” he said. “Bill Clinton went on vacation in Russia when he was a Rhodes scholar. That’s a fact. If anyone is in bed with Russia, it’s the Clintons.”

But, Polyakova said, should Trump win the election, “We would definitely have a closer relationship with Russia and it could endanger western security interests.”

“I would expect a lot of appeasement when it comes to Ukraine and Syria,” she added.

In other words, the Putin-Trump conspiracy theory is a lie to distract from the fact Killary broke every rule in the book to win the Democratic nomination. There is no connection whatsoever between Trump and the Russian elite. I would like to think, as Trump joked, that the Russians were behind the email hack. Given that there's zero evidence for such, however, that would be wishful thinking.
 
Approaching Infinity said:
Pashalis said:
Mal7 said:
c.a. said:
Got a Hoodie homey :ninja:

Was Fred Trump (Donald’s Father) in the Ku Klux Klan?
He may have been. To put this in a historical context though, the KKK and white supremacist ideologies were practically part of American mainstream culture at this time, and not the socially unacceptable fringe group they are regarded as today.
[...]

So what exactly are you saying here? That it is not right or unfair to tread KKK as "socially unacceptable fringe group" today, because they were not so bad after all back then and had some good ideas and actions?

Or do I misunderstand something here? Can you clarify?

I don't think that's what Mal7 was implying. But what he IS implying is just as backwards. He's basically saying, "Because it was socially acceptable to be a reprehensible person with reprehensible beliefs and engage in reprehensible actions, then it actually wasn't reprehensible."

Mal7, do you realize that you are justifying racism? Do you also realize that, even though it may have been more widespread and "socially acceptable" back then, that there was and is still no justification for it? I mean, geeze, 2000 years ago Paul was writing that "there is neither Jew nor Gentile, slave nor free". Just because pathological racism has 'gone underground' today, that does NOT excuse it back then. It just points out the absence of any form of 'moral backbone' in the individuals in question.

I'm not justifying the KKK. I'm not saying that it's great how the KKK was more accepted back in the 1920s. I'm saying that American society was more racist in the 1920s. If individuals today are to be judged on how racist their family members were in the 1920s, who can say who might and might not pass the test? The KKK is considered socially unacceptable by mainstream American society today, and in my opinion that is a very good thing. I hope that clarifies things. . .
 
c.a. said:
” . . . . asked if his father had lived at 175-24 Devonshire Road—the address listed for the Fred Trump arrested at the 1927 Klan rally—Donald dismissed the claim as “totally false.”
“We lived on Wareham,” he told Horowitz. “The Devonshire—I know there is a road ‘Devonshire,’ but I don’t think my father ever lived on Devonshire.” Trump went on to deny everything else in the Times’ account of the 1927 rally: “It shouldn’t be written because it never happened, number one. And number two, there was nobody charged.”
From the evidence in the article, it does seem that Fred Trump (Donald's father) did live at this Devonshire Road address, and that he was the Fred Trump that was arrested at the rally. I can understand though that Donald Trump's memory of where his father was living in 1927 could be hazy, given that Donald Trump wasn't born until 1946. :)
 
Mal7 said:
I'm not justifying the KKK. I'm not saying that it's great how the KKK was more accepted back in the 1920s. I'm saying that American society was more racist in the 1920s. If individuals today are to be judged on how racist their family members were in the 1920s, who can say who might and might not pass the test? The KKK is considered socially unacceptable by mainstream American society today, and in my opinion that is a very good thing. I hope that clarifies things. . .

Thanks for clearing that up, Mal7. Let me just make another small observation: the points you make above are not the points you made in the original post. There was nothing there about guilt by association among family members, for example. The exchange was fairly simple. "Trumps father might have been KKK." "Yeah, he might have been, BUT..." Phrasing it the way you did gave the strong indication that you were saying: "Yeah, he might have been KKK, but that isn't such a bad thing, because lots of people were." Might be something there for you to look at - basically asking yourself, "What was I really saying? What beliefs, maybe subconscious, were coming through in my answer?"
 
Approaching Infinity said:
Mal7 said:
I'm not justifying the KKK. I'm not saying that it's great how the KKK was more accepted back in the 1920s. I'm saying that American society was more racist in the 1920s. If individuals today are to be judged on how racist their family members were in the 1920s, who can say who might and might not pass the test? The KKK is considered socially unacceptable by mainstream American society today, and in my opinion that is a very good thing. I hope that clarifies things. . .

Thanks for clearing that up, Mal7. Let me just make another small observation: the points you make above are not the points you made in the original post. There was nothing there about guilt by association among family members, for example. The exchange was fairly simple. "Trumps father might have been KKK." "Yeah, he might have been, BUT..." Phrasing it the way you did gave the strong indication that you were saying: "Yeah, he might have been KKK, but that isn't such a bad thing, because lots of people were." Might be something there for you to look at - basically asking yourself, "What was I really saying? What beliefs, maybe subconscious, were coming through in my answer?"

Trump's father may have been KKK. From the evidence contained in the newspaper articles referred to in the Spitfirelist article, it looks like this is quite probable, or at least possible. Perhaps he was just a bystander at the rally, perhaps he was an officially signed-up member, perhaps he went to other KKK events, perhaps he didn't. I don't know.

I posted additional historical, factual information about the KKK taken from an anti-hate group website. I am a bit surprised that there seems to be an expectation when posting such information that it should be accompanied by some kind of disclaimer like "Oh by the way, I am not a KKK supporter. I think they were a very bad, racist organization." Specifically, I am surprised that people might think such a disclaimer was necessary.

Maybe instead of saying "He may have been", followed by some historical, factual context about the KKK in the 1920s, I should instead have said "He may have been, and that is just incredibly shocking, outrageous, and unacceptable. . . and may we never hear about any facts that might contextualize the significance of a person's being associated with the KKK in 1920s USA?"
 
I'm not justifying the KKK. I'm not saying that it's great how the KKK was more accepted back in the 1920s. I'm saying that American society was more racist in the 1920s. If individuals today are to be judged on how racist their family members were in the 1920s, who can say who might and might not pass the test? The KKK is considered socially unacceptable by mainstream American society today, and in my opinion that is a very good thing. I hope that clarifies things. . .

"I'm saying that American society was more racist in the 1920s." Are you sure about this? Can you provide any evidence to back up this statement? Can it possibly be that American society has always been, and is very much still, just as racist as it's always been? Can it be that this Racism has been couched. That maybe racism was possibly more open in the past, and that the PTB saw this as a problem that could backfire on them. America is founded on racism, from the backs, the sweat and tears of many. The Black slaves, the American Indians, the immigrants from multiple cultures... Irish, Italian, German, Mexican, Cuban, etc, as well as the Poor Peeps who Thought they were Americans. They (we) all have been used and abused to build America. They (We) have all been exploited to build this 'Grand Country' in which the 'landholders', the Elite, the 'Aristocracy' can bleed them (us) for power and profit.

Who are the Slaves, who are the '-homies- ? (please excuse my french, but you're talking KKK here). We All Are and have Always been. The KKK was not necessarily more 'accepted' back in the 1920's. They may have been more prominent (aka, allowed to have more exposure for a particular purpose), but they were very much hated by normal people, most of whom could not dare speak their mind because the KKK were given more exposure for a particular purpose. Although, now they can speak.

OMG, the 'Black Lives Matter" movement is being used/infiltrated to foment divide and conquer tactics. Just as the KKK was.

OK, I should apologize for my emotional post now. I am sorry. Maybe I should not post this in haste, but I can't seem to hit the delete button. Because, America was built on racism, intentionally, despite the fact that normal human beings are not inherently racist. Racism is built into us by those that wish to profit from it.
 
Well in any case Trump's father was a racist. Woody Guthrie even wrote a song about him: _http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/25/woody-guthrie-sang-of-his-contempt-for-his-landlord-donald-trumps-father/?_r=0

In December 1950, Mr. Guthrie signed a lease at the Beach Haven apartment complex, Mr. Kaufman wrote in his piece. Soon, Mr. Guthrie was “lamenting the bigotry that pervaded his new, lily-white neighborhood,” he wrote, with words like these:

I suppose
Old Man Trump knows
Just how much
Racial Hate
he stirred up
In the bloodpot of human hearts
When he drawed
That color line
Here at his
Eighteen hundred family project

Mr. Guthrie even reworked his song “I Ain’t Got No Home” into a critique of Fred Trump, according to Mr. Kaufman:

Beach Haven ain’t my home!
I just can’t pay this rent!
My money’s down the drain!
And my soul is badly bent!
Beach Haven looks like heaven
Where no black ones come to roam!
No, no, no! Old Man Trump!
Old Beach Haven ain’t my home!
 
Niall said:
In other words, the Putin-Trump conspiracy theory is a lie to distract from the fact Killary broke every rule in the book to win the Democratic nomination. There is no connection whatsoever between Trump and the Russian elite. I would like to think, as Trump joked, that the Russians were behind the email hack. Given that there's zero evidence for such, however, that would be wishful thinking.
The line of Trump's where he asks Russia to find the missing emails was in his press conference in Doral, Florida, at 13m 16s: "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find [. . .]"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGHWou0h1kk "Donald Trump Delivers Scathing Response To Hillary Clinton, DNC at Press Conference 7/27/16" - Right Side Broadcasting - 27 July 2016.

The question of who was hacking DNC or Clinton emails came up a few times in the conference. Trump's position from amalgamating his various answers was he didn't know who was doing it, Russia, China, some other country, someone who couldn't get out of bed with an IQ of 200, or again later on someone that got up at midday. These last two possiblities seem to be referencing a cultural stereotype of the "computer hacker", as pops up in Hollywood films as e.g. some male in their 20s with long hair living in a messy room in their parent's basement, somewhere in USA?

He also talks about hacking emails between 5m and 6m 10s on the video.

Then at 12m 54s he says "If it is Russia, which it's probably not, nobody knows who it is [. . .]"

At 34m 27s he talks again about who took the DNC emails: "some guy with a 200 IQ that can't get up in the morning".

34m 42s: "honestly they have no idea if it's Russia. Might be Russia."

And at 37m 24s: "If Russia or China or any other country has those emails, I mean to be honest with you I'd love to see them."
 
Freya said:
"I'm saying that American society was more racist in the 1920s." Are you sure about this? Can you provide any evidence to back up this statement? Can it possibly be that American society has always been, and is very much still, just as racist as it's always been?
I don't want to go too far off-topic for this Trump thread. I don't think racism has been eliminated, and it may be manifesting differently. For example, slavery is officially abolished, yet 2 million Americans are looked up in for-profit private prisons and sometimes paid a pittance for their labour. Trump's supporters Diamond and Silk have referred to some black people today in inner city suburbs as living on the "Democratic plantation". I do think overall the society is less racist. In 1962 there were protests at the admission of the first black student to be admitted to the University of Mississippi, so we have progressed since then.


This website "AMERICA'S CIVIL RIGHTS TIMELINE" shows other ways that progress has been made:

https://www.sitinmovement.org/history/america-civil-rights-timeline.asp

e.g.

"AUG. 10, 1965 Congress passed the Voting Rights Act of 1965, making it easier for Southern blacks to register to vote. Literacy tests, poll taxes and other such requirements that were used to restrict black voting were made illegal."

"APRIL 11, 1968 President Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1968, prohibiting discrimination in the sale, rental and financing of housing."
 
Mr. Premise said:
Well in any case Trump's father was a racist. Woody Guthrie even wrote a song about him: _http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/25/woody-guthrie-sang-of-his-contempt-for-his-landlord-donald-trumps-father/?_r=0
I agree, there doesn't seem to be any denying that Donald Trump's father was racist. There are also reports that Woody Guthrie's father, Charlie Guthrie, may have been a KKK member and may have engaged in some of the KKK's worst activities. Woody Guthrie himself was racist, at least earlier on in his song-writing career, before later becoming a champion for anti-racism. Racism is bad, it hasn't gone away, and history is absolutely full of the most egregious examples of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_of_Laura_and_L._D._Nelson#Charley_Guthrie
http://www.laweekly.com/music/little-known-fact-woody-guthrie-was-a-big-ol-racist-2412272

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9bF0NBpKnA "Woody Guthrie, Anti-Racist Fighter, from Democracy Now"
"Woody Guthrie, folksong writer and singer for workers everywhere, evolved from ignorant racism to a fierce anti-racist."
 
Racism was a widespread thing. Being a member of the KKK was not. The KKK did terrorism. And actually Donald Trump is basically a criminal as well. He has mob connections, I believe. He didn't have the right fatherly influence, to put him on the right path, I think.
 
I don't want to go too far off-topic for this Trump thread. I don't think racism has been eliminated, and it may be manifesting differently.

Touche Mal7, I apologize that my post did go off topic. I am sorry for that. But I do not agree that we are 'less racist'. Individually, maybe, because we are not inherently racist. But socially, in terms of social engineering, racism is being/has always been used to manipulate us in so may ways. To the point that it is irrelevant that Trump's father was KKK when he goes on about building a wall to keep the Mexicans out. That is not his father talking. That is his own BS. And it is being used to garner support from the impoverished Americans who ignorantly believe that their jobs and government subsidies are being 'stolen' from the evil 'Mexicans'. Most of whom are here only because our government has screwed their country so bad that they have fled here to try to make a few bucks to survive and send home to their families so that they might survive.

But, you are right. It is well worth it to investigate and expose the history of 'evil', particularly when it is related to a supposed Presidential Candidate. Again, I apologize for miss-directing, it was not my intention. I responded emotionally, well because I feel strongly about the fact that racism has not been eliminated. It appears that it has been reinforced in different manifestation. That bothers me. Again, my apologies.
 
Mal7 said:
In 1962 there were protests at the admission of the first black student to be admitted to the University of Mississippi, so we have progressed since then.

I would suggest that while the narratives about equality between races, sexes, etc have improved, little has substantially changed. While it is today universally considered outrageous to go around lynching blacks, all-too-many Americans have little or no problem with (largely) white mobs in uniforms shooting (usually poor) blacks dead in broad daylight.
 
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