Pro-China bias?

When looking at "horror stories" about China in the press, e.g. poor working conditions, environmental damage, human rights abuses, I think there is definitely often some unfounded anti-China bias in the mainstream press, similar to the mainstream press' anti-Putin bias.

For example, concerning imprisoned journalists in China, the figure for 2014 produced by the Committee to Protect Journalists is 44. The Wall Street Journal used this for the headline "China No. 1 for Jailed Journalists, Group Says" and a Guardian article had the subheading "Annual survey by the Committee to Protect Journalists shows China and Iran have most journalists in jail".

But when you look at the number of journalists in prison as a rate per population, which seems only fair, the numbers tell a different story. For example, Israel in the same report had 4 journalists in prison, and it has a population of 8 million. China's population is 1.36 billion.

So by rate of population, Israel with its 4 imprisoned journalists has 1 journalist in jail for every 2 million of population. China has 1 journalist in jail for every 31 million of population, or 15 times less imprisoned journalists than Israel per capita.
 
Re: Pro-China bias on SOTT?

Niall said:
hlat said:
hlat said:
Do I have the right to control my body and family, or the government? Should the government tell me I can only have one child when I want more? What types of government actions and tactics are acceptable to enforce compliance with the one child policy? Forced inspections of my body? Forced insertion of devices? Forced abortions? Forced sterilizations? If you wish to ignore and disregard the past of CCP, fine; these questions are directed at the 2015 Chinese government.
Niall, how can you be pro-China when the current 2015 PRC Chinese government kidnaps Chinese women to conduct forced inspections, forced insertion of devices, forced abortions, and forced sterilizations?

What are your sources for this parade of horribles?
Your attempt to deflect was not successful.

You can answer the question.
 
Re: Pro-China bias on SOTT?

hlat said:
Niall said:
hlat said:
hlat said:
Do I have the right to control my body and family, or the government? Should the government tell me I can only have one child when I want more? What types of government actions and tactics are acceptable to enforce compliance with the one child policy? Forced inspections of my body? Forced insertion of devices? Forced abortions? Forced sterilizations? If you wish to ignore and disregard the past of CCP, fine; these questions are directed at the 2015 Chinese government.
Niall, how can you be pro-China when the current 2015 PRC Chinese government kidnaps Chinese women to conduct forced inspections, forced insertion of devices, forced abortions, and forced sterilizations?

What are your sources for this parade of horribles?
Your attempt to deflect was not successful.

You can answer the question.

Niall was not deflecting. He is asking for sources (i.e.: links) that would help him and others who read this thread to come to some sort of conclusion. Just saying something is so is not what this forum is about.

I have heard and read some stories about China's 1 child policy. Not everyone has. It would be considerate of you to provide more information for Niall instead of demanding an answer to a question without any credible sources to back up your claims.

FWIW, I don't see a pro-China bias on this forum. I think you may be a bit touchy about this subject. Are you from China, perhaps? Do you have first-hand knowledge of what goes on there? Grant it, I'm certain there have been terrible things done to the Chinese people via psychopathic leadership in the present as well as the past…as is the case all over the world. Just please give some sources and this conversation can be taken from there.
 
Re: Pro-China bias on SOTT?

hlat said:
Niall said:
What are your sources for this parade of horribles?
Your attempt to deflect was not successful.

You can answer the question.

I agree with NormaRegula, the request for sources seems wholly reasonable. Without sources that can be evaluated in terms of what real evidence they provide, a discussion about social matters just becomes an argumentative rant like "I don't like what you said", "You're wrong, I'm right", "No, you're wrong, I'm right."

I think sometimes Niall's and Perceval's replies to you in this thread, especially where the replies are short one-liners, might come across to you as brusque, forthright or almost flippant. But that should not be a reason to react emotively as it seems to me you have done with Niall's request for sources.
 
This response is designed to present facts that cannot be disputed as Western or anti-China propaganda, because they are straight from official Chinese news, Xinhua.

Below are articles from official Chinese news of 1 case from 3 years ago that managed to see the light of day in international media. Forced abortions usually never receive any press or official public response. Even though this case received international attention, no one was arrested, let alone sent to prison (brings to mind US psycho police). Most websites blur the portion of the photo of the dead baby, but unfortunately some show the uncensored photo, so be careful if you look into this case.

Official Chinese news focused on the late stage of the victim's pregnancy, because forced abortions at an earlier stage (apparently before 6 months) is legal.

"According to law, mothers who are not entitled to have a second baby are indeed required to terminate their pregnancy at an early stage"

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_http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-06/14/content_15503461.htm
Forced abortion probed amid outrage
Updated: 2012-06-14 21:54
(Xinhua)

XI'AN - Authorities in Northwest China's Shaanxi province have launched an investigation into an instance of forced abortion, pledging that anyone found responsible will be punished according to relevant laws and regulations.

Feng Jianmei, 27, was forced to terminate her pregnancy at seven months in a hospital in Zhenping county on June 2. Details of the case, including several photos showing the remains of the fetus lying next to the mother on her hospital bed, were posted on online forums and have since shocked and angered many nationwide.

"It is brutal to end a new life that will soon come into the world. It breaks my heart to see such a thing," netizen "Fen Hong Shan Hu Hai" said in a post on Sina's Weibo.com, the country's largest microblogging website.

Many netizens described the case as outrageous and tragic. However, it has yet to be confirmed if the photos are genuine, and the photographer has yet to be identified.

The Shaanxi Provincial Population and Family Planning Commission, which oversees the family planning work in the province, announced Thursday it has dispatched an investigatory team to Zhenping and ordered the local government to punish any officials who are found to be responsible for the forced abortion.

"What the authorities did in Zhenping represents a serious violation of national and provincial policies and regulations on population and family planning, has undermined the reputation of our work and negatively impacted society," the commission said.

The commission said most of the descriptions of Feng's case found in online posts were factual. But investigators are still looking into allegations that Feng was illegally detained before the abortion was performed.

Authorities in Zhenping said Feng consented to the abortion, adding that Feng was not legally entitled to have a second child. Feng previously gave birth to a girl in 2007.

"Feng is not entitled to have a second child, according to policies on family planning. Therefore, local officials brought her to the hospital to receive the abortion," Su Huaichun, a publicity official in Zhenping, said Thursday.

However, Feng's abortion took place late in her pregnancy, a practice that is prohibited by China's laws on population and family planning.

"According to law, mothers who are not entitled to have a second baby are indeed required to terminate their pregnancy at an early stage," an anonymous official with the Shaanxi Provincial Population and Family Planning Commission said Thursday.

"But in Feng's case, she was in the late phase of her pregnancy and an abortion could cause physical injury to her. The correct way to deal with the case would have been for local officials to allow her to deliver the baby first, and then mete out punishment according to regulations," the official said.

"We have ordered local governments in Shaanxi to prevent such things from happening again," he said.

While rural residents and ethnic minorities are permitted to have more than one child, urban residents like Feng are limited to a single child, according to family planning policies introduced in the 1970s to rein in China's surging population.

Local officials and doctors insisted that the abortion was carried out with Feng's consent, a claim that Feng and her family have denied, according to a report in the Thursday edition of the Huangshangbao Daily, an influential newspaper in Shaanxi.

Deng Jiyuan, Feng's husband, told the newspaper that the forced abortion took place because the family refused to pay a deposit of 40,000 yuan ($6,349) to the township government.

"I don't know what the deposit was for," Deng said.

Yuan Fang, a population and family planning official from the township government, said Feng's urban "hukou," or household registration permit, prevents her from having more than one child.

"She would need to transfer her 'hukou' to our township first before having the baby. The money was charged as a deposit for the transfer and would have been paid back if her family had done so," Yuan said.

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_http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-06/27/content_15524501.htm
Officials punished for NW China forced abortion
Updated: 2012-06-27 02:41
(Xinhua)

XI'AN - The city government of Ankang has announced punishments for officials involved in a forced abortion in northwest China's Shaanxi province.

Feng Jianmei, 23, was forced to terminate her pregnancy over seven months in a hospital in Zhenping county on June 2. That violated her rights late in her pregnancy, according to the investigation report released by the Ankang municipal government on Tuesday.

Several government officials in Zhenping, which is administrated by Ankang, and its Zengjia township violated the laws of central and local government on population and family planning, said the report.

The government said its has decided to subject Yu Yanmei, deputy county magistrate of Zhenping in charging of family planning, with administrative demerits according to national and provincial policies and regulation.

Jiang Nenghai, head of the family planning bureau of Zhenping, has been removed from his post. Some other officials of the township, county government and the county hospital that aborted Feng's pregnancy, were also punished.

According to the investigation, while persuading Feng to receive the abortion, some staff of the township government used crude means to violate her intentions.

There was also no legal basis for the township government's demand that Feng and her family pay a deposit of 40,000 yuan (about 6,228 U.S. dollars) for a certificate allowing her to have her second child.

Feng, a non-agricultural resident born on December 25, 1989, gave birth to a girl in 2007 while she was 17, said the report.

Under family planning laws, Feng was not legally entitled to have a second child.

The investigation showed that Feng lied in claiming to be an agricultural resident and entered her birth date as January 21, 1985, on the marriage registration.

In March 2012, local family planning authorities found Feng had entered her third month of pregnancy and asked her to migrate her 'hukou' -- household registration certificate -- to her husband's account and obtain the necessary certificate for a second child.

Feng and her family offered no response to the township government's request and did not pay the deposit.

Details of the case, including several photos showing the remains of the fetus lying next to the mother on her hospital bed, were posted on online forums and have shocked and angered many people nationwide.

Ankang municipal government had already ordered the Zhenping county government to offer Feng's family compensation.

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_http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-07/11/content_15569665.htm
Forced abortion case settled after family is paid
Updated: 2012-07-11 14:42
(Xinhua)

XI'AN - The family of a young Chinese woman forced to have a late-term abortion has agreed to settle the case out of court after local government offered a compensation of about 70,000 yuan ($11,023), officials said Wednesday.

Feng Jianmei and her husband Deng Jiyuan signed an agreement with the township government of Zenjia, Northwest China's Shaanxi province, late Tuesday to close the case, township officials told Xinhua.

Beijing-based lawyer Zhang Kai, who represents the Deng family, told Xinhua that as the agreement was signed, the family dropped a lawsuit seeking state compensation in court.

"The signing of the agreement means neither party should raise any question related to the issue again," said an official who declined to be named. "The money has been paid."

Zhang said Deng sought legal support from him on June 28 but on Monday said he wanted to settle the case outside the courtroom with the government after visiting his sick mother in Nanjing.

The official said the government is committed to provide needed support to Deng's family in future should they encounter difficulties in life and at work. The government will also provide assistance to medical treatment of Deng's mother, the official added.

Feng, 23, was forced to abort her baby seven months into her pregnancy at a local hospital on June 2 as the family refused to pay 40,000 yuan demanded by local family planning officials as guarantee for clearing the legal ground for her to have a second child.

The ordeal of the family sparked controversy and a government probe later found that the guarantee claim was illegal and officials had violated a ban stipulated in national and provincial family planning rules on late pregnancy abortion.

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Unofficial western coverage
_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_abortion_of_Feng_Jianmei
 
The following propaganda piece is instructive, since it's basically a review of a book that the US elite clearly wanted to put out there. The journalist - Bill Gertz - is a notorious establishment mouthpiece who writes the worst tripe about Putin, while the book's author - Michael Pillsbury - oversaw the delivery of Stinger missiles to Islamic terrorists mujahideen in Afghanistan as part of the US government's plot to "give Soviet Russia its Vietnam"...

Top China analyst: Beijing has been duping the US since Mao

By Bill Gertz for Washington Free Beacon - Republished in Business Insider, 2 February 2015

Washington Free Beacon said:
China launched a secret 100-year modernization program that deceived successive U.S. administrations into unknowingly promoting Beijing’s strategy of replacing the U.S.-led world order with a Chinese communist-dominated economic and political system, according to a new book by a longtime Pentagon China specialist.

For more than four decades, Chinese leaders lulled presidents, cabinet secretaries, and other government analysts and policymakers into falsely assessing China as a benign power deserving of U.S. support, says Michael Pillsbury, the Mandarin-speaking analyst who has worked on China policy and intelligence issues for every U.S. administration since Richard Nixon.

:cuckoo:

Washington Free Beacon said:
The secret strategy, based on ancient Chinese statecraft, produced a large-scale transfer of cash, technology, and expertise that bolstered military and Communist Party “superhawks” in China who are now taking steps to catch up to and ultimately surpass the United States, Pillsbury concludes in a book published this week.

Ancient Chinese statecraft?! A tad paranoid, are we not? It's just pragmatic Realpolitik. Undoubtedly the Chinese are in the position they're in today thanks to long-term implementation of ideas, and I can even allow for a multi-generational perspective, but the notion that the US was 'nefariously deceived' is retrospective projection by an entity that came to dominate the world through subterfuge and deception. Perhaps it's understandable that long-term strategy might seem relatively mystical to the deranged minds deciding policy in the US, whose policy amounts to 'we want it all, now and forever'.

Washington Free Beacon said:
The Chinese strategic deception program was launched by Mao Zedong in 1955 and put forth the widespread misbelief that China is a poor, backward, inward-looking country. “And therefore the United States has to help them, and give away things to them, to make sure they stay friendly,” Pillsbury said in an interview. “This is totally wrong.”

China WAS a "poor, backward, inward-looking country" in the 1950s, the result of 200 years of British and then American-led imperialsm and domination, from the Opium Wars to building the Japanese war machine (twice). The only thing you could say about Mao 'playing it smart' at the time is that he played up the threat of the USSR to get the Americans to give China stuff. That was a very common practice of states during the Cold War.

Washington Free Beacon said:
The Chinese strategy also is aimed at gaining global economic dominance, he says, noting that China’s military buildup is but one part. The combined economic, political, and military power is seeking to produce China as a new global “hegemon” that will export its anti-democratic political system and predatory economic practices around the world.

"...a global hegemon that will export its anti-democratic political system and predatory economic practices around the world." Hey, that reminds me of some other hegemon, I can't quite recall its name though... wasn't it the United States of Arabia or something?...

It might well be that this is China's strategy, but if so, this strategy was decided upon, or discovered and developed, far more recently. To date, China hasn't invaded another country nor subverted its political system, so the shoe doesn't fit yet.

I don't need to explain to most forum members that the characterisation of Chinese international relations as "exporting its anti-democratic political system and predatory economic practices around the world" is again pure projection on the part of a hegemon that does precisely that. We can debate what is democratic and what is not, but whatever relative level of internal freedoms China has, it does not invest billions via NGOs to subvert the internal affairs of other countries. A country that doesn't need to do that is a country that is internally secure and does not rely on external powers to prop up its regime. In fact, it remains internally secure in spite of external powers interfering in its affairs.

Wherever China does have some degree of influence over other countries, it is to be welcomed because relative to the US method of exerting influence, the Chinese way of conducting business is markedly more humane. Unlike the Western business model of 'pillage everything as cheaply as possible', which is THE primary driver of "predatory economic practices around the world", China actually builds or invests in things in exchange for resources:

China, Ethiopia PMs launch Ethiopia's first ever expressway

Western corporations have no answer to that; they cannot compete with such an approach because they are locked into short-term profit-seeking, and have been since Europe first colonized the whole world. That is why their only response is war, waged deceptively. Fair terms of trade are absolutely out of the question. Developing the infrastructure of client countries is absolutely out of the question. Instead the hegemonic entity has done everything possible to retard the development of countries outside its 'Atlantic base'. And as we saw recently, the Chinese have said 'to hell with this'.

Washington Free Beacon said:
In the interview, Pillsbury, currently director of the Hudson Institute’s Center for Chinese Strategy, said new details contained in the book were cleared for publication by the FBI, CIA, and Defense Department, including details of formerly classified presidential directives, testimony from previously unknown Chinese defectors, and alarming details of writings from powerful Chinese military and political hawks.

The Hudson Institute is another primary think-tank in the US imperial government. From Wikipedia:

The Hudson Institute is an American conservative non-profit think tank based in Washington, D.C.. It was founded in 1961 in Croton-on-Hudson, New York, by futurist, military strategist, and systems theorist Herman Kahn and his colleagues at the RAND Corporation. Kahn's theories contributed heavily to the development of the nuclear strategy of the US, making him one of three historical inspirations for the title character of Stanley Kubrick's classic black comedy film satire Dr. Strangelove.

Back to the Washington Free Beacon article...

Washington Free Beacon said:
The book also discloses for the first time that the opening to China in 1969 and 1970, considered one of the United States’ most significant strategic gambits, was not initiated by then-President Nixon’s top national security aide Henry Kissinger. Instead, Pillsbury shows that it was Chinese generals who played the United States card against the Soviet Union, amid fears of a takeover of the country by Moscow.

This was par for the course during the Cold War, as explained above... but Kissinger as 'benevolent kingmaker who was duped by China'? I think not. Note that Korea and Vietnam/Laos are two peninsulas bracketing China...

Washington Free Beacon said:
Some sensitive details were removed from the manuscript by the government. However, the totality of the book represents an authorized disclosure of China’s secret strategy that is among the most significant releases of internal U.S. government information in over a decade, Pillsbury said.

This is why I say the "US elite clearly wanted to put it out there." It's a phony 'disclosure', that qualification about "sensitive details" notwithstanding. In fact, that supports my contention that the leaked documents were cooked to 'fit the facts around the narrative'.

Washington Free Beacon said:
That highlights the importance of the book,” Pillsbury said in an interview. “And it sends a message to China: We’re not as clueless as you think.”

Oh, I'm sure the Chinese received the message loud and clear... :rolleyes:

Washington Free Beacon said:
Pillsbury also reveals how a Chinese government defector exposed Beijing’s effective lobbying campaign from 1995 to 2000 that led Congress to approve Most-Favored National trade status for China—several years after China was sanctioned for the bloody massacre by the military of unarmed protesters in Beijing’s Tiananmen Square.

That right there tells us that the author - and the people he's speaking for - still have no clue... or they are simply still lying:

Let’s Talk About Tiananmen Square, 1989 My Hearsay is Better Than Your Hearsay

It is true that in 1989 China experienced a student protest that culminated in a sit-in (more like a camp-in, actually) in Tiananmen Square in Beijing.

But thanks to Wikileaks and other (perhaps brave) Western journalists, we now know that this was all the Square experienced that day.

We now have conclusive and overwhelming documentation that the events in Beijing in 1989 were very different from those reported in the Western press. Not only that, we have substantial evidence that the Chinese Government’s version of these events had been true all along.

Back to the Washington Free Beacon article...

Washington Free Beacon said:
The covert influence operation was carried out at a time when American concerns about Chinese human rights violations were high. Yet China was able to successfully induce U.S. leaders into making key strategic trade concessions.

Those deviant Chinese! WE were only concerned about human rights, and they exploited our altruism! Poor Dr. Strangelove is straining so much to keep that arm down, he's about to fall out of his wheelchair!

Washington Free Beacon said:
That covert influence program was revealed by one of the six Chinese defectors Pillsbury questioned over the years, including one who turned out to be a false defector—FBI informant Katrina Leung, who was arrested in 2003.

I believe the applicable term here is 'PWNED'.

From Wikipedia:

Katrina Leung was a former high value Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and PRC Ministry of State Security (MSS) agent who, on April 9, 2003, was indicted by the United States Department of Justice for "Unauthorized Copying of National Defense Information with Intent to Injure or Benefit a Foreign Nation". Her case was later dismissed on January 6, 2005 because of prosecutorial misconduct. She was alleged by the United States Government to have contaminated twenty years of intelligence relating to the People's Republic of China as well as critically compromising the FBI's Chinese counterintelligence program.

Back to the Washington Free Beacon article...

Washington Free Beacon said:
I tried to put a defector interview into the opening of each chapter,” Pillsbury said, noting that the defectors remain in witness protection programs and “fear for their lives” due to the possibility of Chinese retaliation.

I have found no incidence of "retaliation" by China.

Washington Free Beacon said:
The defectors disclosed details of “what China is trying to do to America in what they call the 100-year marathon,” he said.

On the Chinese hawks, Pillsbury said internal writings of these powerful political and military leaders revealed “how they draw lessons from China’s ancient past … and how can they surpass America without the Americans reacting.”

Any such long-term vision is only to be commended. And I'm reminded of this hint from the Cs:

Cs said:
A: Still waters run deep and strong. The USA and allies are in for a rude and painful awakening.

Back to the Washington Free Beacon article...

Washington Free Beacon said:
Pillsbury, whose most senior government post was assistant undersecretary of defense for policy planning in the administration of President Ronald Reagan, also worked for several senators and has been a consultant on China policy for decades.

He's also a flaming warhawk, and definitely a member of the 'Washington Crazies' club.

Washington Free Beacon said:
In the book, Pillsbury acknowledged that initially he was among the staunchest advocates of the U.S. policy of “constructive engagement” toward China launched initially in 1969 as a way to prevent a Soviet takeover in Beijing.

Asked when he abandoned his pro-China, “panda hugger” views, he said: “Over time… mainly after Tiananmen”—a reference to the brutal 1989 military crackdown on pro-democracy protesters in Beijing’s main square.

We believed that American aid to a fragile China whose leaders thought like us would help China become a democratic and peaceful power without ambitions of regional or even global dominance,” Pillsbury wrote.

“Every one of the assumptions behind that belief was wrong—dangerously so,” he stated, noting that the power of China’s now dominant faction of anti-American ultranationalists was underestimated.

Pillsbury’s book, The Hundred Year Marathon, reveals new details of secret CIA cooperation with China in covert action programs in Afghanistan and Angola, as well as nearly $1 billion worth of weapons transfers during the 1980s.

The covert support for China, along with a continuing flow of U.S. technology and intelligence for the past 45 years, were once among the U.S. government’s most closely guarded secrets.

The book also declassifies details of several presidential memoranda behind the covert U.S. policy of supporting China that Pillsbury states produced one of the United States’ most significant strategic blunders.

Documents and intelligence reports smuggled out of China after the bloody Tiananmen massacre, when tanks were called in to disperse tens of thousands of unarmed pro-democracy protesters, revealed that senior Chinese leaders were sharply divided over supporting the students’ calls for democratic political reform, according to the book.

Communist super hawks in the military and senior Party leadership managed to defeat and ultimately arrest senior Party officials who supported the pro-democracy reform.

The book also provides the following new disclosures on China’s strategy toward the United States:

  • Chinese hardliners promoted the book of Col. Liu Mingfu, “The China Dream” that is the inspiration behind current Chinese leader Xi Jinping’s increasingly Maoist policies. Other writings by hawks reveal a future China-dominated world will that values “order over freedom, ethics over law and elite governance over democracy and human rights.”
  • U.S. intelligence agencies for decades underestimated the influence of Chinese hawks and continue to dismiss their power and influence as “fringe” elements.
  • Intelligence assessments in the late 1980s failed to recognize the pro-democracy sentiment inside the ruling Politburo was strong until it was crushed after the 1989 crackdown on dissent.
  • After Tiananmen, China’s government created a false history to hide its past covert cooperation with the United States.
  • China’s “assassin’s mace” weapons—missiles and other exotic arms—are being built to defeat satellites and knock out aircraft carriers, using high-tech arms, including electromagnetic pulse weapons.
  • As part of covert U.S. offers of assistance to China in the 1970s, the CIA cut off aid to the exiled Tibetan leader the Dalai Lama and canceled U.S. Navy patrols through the Taiwan Strait. Instead, the CIA began providing intelligence on the Soviet Union to China.
  • Reagan agreed to sell six major weapons systems to China but required that continued aid be conditioned on China remaining unaligned with Moscow and liberalizing its communist system. The arms transfers were halted after Tiananmen.
  • World Bank assistance to China imposed no conditions on China moving toward free market reforms. As a result, China’s government today continues to control most industries.
  • China will undermine the United Nations and World Trade Organization to “delegitimize” the U.S.-led world order in order to promote its global system.
  • An internal secret briefing for Chinese officials discussed China’s most important foreign policy priority as “how to manage the decline of the United States,” revealing that China is working against U.S. interests in supporting rogue states and selling arms to America’s enemies.

I wonder if covert US military cooperation with China halted after Tiananmen because the event was a failed color revolution? They were hoping to 'democratize' and 'liberalize' China, but unlike what happened in Moscow and Eastern Europe, saner heads prevailed in Beijing? As for China "undermining the UN and WTO," that is pure chutzpah! The US “delegitimized” the U.S.-led world order all by its greedy, arrogant self.

Washington Free Beacon said:
To counter what Pillsbury describes as China’s “warring states era” strategy for world dominance, an approach that outlines how a lesser power can defeat a stronger foe, the United States needs to recognize the threat and take urgent steps to prevent China from dominating the world.

There is nothing, short of global financial armageddon, that the US can do to stop China from taking its rightful place as a major power. Note that I don't say "from dominating the world" - this is what drives that breed running the Anglo-American Empire; there is nothing to suggest that China is about to embark upon a 300-year quest to invade and plunder the whole world.

Washington Free Beacon said:
Pillsbury said that as part of efforts to counter the Chinese military buildup, the Pentagon’s next budget will include funding for up to 100 new long-range bombers, funds for hardening U.S. satellites against Chinese attacks, and money for a Navy program to protect U.S. aircraft carriers from China’s carrier-killing DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile.

As always, the US answer is: more military spending! The slaves are getting restless! Let us project our awesome power once more!

There's a similar narrative going around about how the Russians decided way back in the 1950s to deliberately let the USSR collapse so that it could use liberalism as a trojan horse to recreate the Russian Empire (ie, today). It's all retroactive myth-making, of course, but it's to be expected from US policy-makers who have broken from objective reality by becoming 'reality-creators' who literally moved into castles they built in the skies.

US dominance was bought with funny money that served as a means of collecting tribute from the rest of the world. The Federal Reserve can print dollars at no cost; everyone else pays for those dollars through labor and resources. The natives have figured this out and no longer want to pay the American tax farmers.

The US strategists' nightmare is a "Chinese communist-dominated world economic and political system." For ordinary people the world over, however, anything has got to be better than an American capitalist-dominated world economic and political system that leaves one billion people hungry as a matter of policy.

IF there is some truth to China consciously accepting its role as provider of serfs to service the comfortable lifestyles of its Western masters... in order to study its masters' ways and thus eventually break free... then it would be a truly astounding thing we are witnessing: the application of Castaneda's four qualities of warriorship (control, discipline, forbearance and timing) in dealing with Petty Tyrants, on a macrosocial scale.

A somewhat more pragmatic analysis, however, is that China, like Russia, simply developed its current strategies in the course of learning some hard lessons about how things really work on planet Earth. That there is no fooling them about 'the wonders of democracy and privatization' speaks to wisdom learned. Fool me once ('Communism'), shame on you; fool me twice... aint gonna happen!

As for these dinosaurs in the US halls of power, God, those scum really make me sick! They think they're so high and mighty, but really they're at the bottom rung on the evolutionary ladder.
 
More on this Michael Pillsbury, a class-A nutjob, and typical of the breed ruling the world.

Washington Monthly said:
Panda Slugger: The dubious scholarship of Michael Pillsbury, the China hawk with Rumsfeld's ear

By Soyoung Ho, Washington Monthly - July 2006

In May 2002, ten months before he became president of China, Hu Jintao visited Donald Rumsfeld at the Pentagon. The meeting, as then-Vice President Hu saw it, had gone well. Routine U.S.-Chinese military-to-military contacts, which had been suspended since 2001 after a tense standoff over a damaged U.S. spy plane, were to be renewed. China's Xinhua news agency quickly put out a headline announcing the thaw: "Chinese vice-president, U.S. defense secretary agree to resume military exchanges."

But there was a problem. According to the Pentagon, no such consensus had been reached. Instead, the two sides had merely agreed that the possibility of such exchanges would be "revisited."

The mix-up, as it turned out, had a likely explanation. According to The Far Eastern Economic Review, Rumsfeld, in a characteristic interdepartmental snub, had barred the State Department's interpreter from the meeting. The man on whose language skills Rumsfeld had instead relied was not a professional interpreter but a Pentagon advisor and longtime Washington operator named Michael Pillsbury. With a proficiency (up to a point) in Mandarin, a doctorate in political science from Columbia University, and three decades of experience in dealing with the Chinese military, Pillsbury has emerged as a Defense Department favorite. That he may inadvertently have caused Hu to leave Washington with an overly conciliatory picture was also ironic: Pillsbury is one of Washington's foremost China hawks, consistently warning that Beijing represents a more serious and rapidly growing military threat than other China experts believe.

Deceptive strategy, perhaps?

Washington Monthly said:
The Wall Street Journal took notice of Pillsbury last year in a front-page story that described him as "one of the Pentagon's most influential advisers on China, with a direct line to many of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's top aides." The story observed that China, too, has been "keeping tabs on Mr. Pillsbury." For good reason: Thanks in part to Pillsbury's influence, the Pentagon's 2006 Quadrennial Defense Review, or QDR--the blueprint for future defense strategy and spending--identifies China as the nation with "the greatest potential to compete militarily with the United States." And the Pentagon's most recent annual report to Congress on China's military contains passages that appear to be lifted directly out of Pillsbury's writings, including warnings of "asymmetric programs" in the works. This can get expensive. The Wall Street Journal recently reported "the Pentagon now cites China as justification for a range of proposed procurements, most notably a new, multibillion-dollar long-range bomber program."

While Pillsbury has achieved prominence within the Defense Secretary's office, many defense experts within the military, government agencies, and universities reject his scholarship as tendentious at best, and their professional distaste is heightened by personal dislike. "Brilliant" and "charming" are words frequently used by acquaintances to describe Pillsbury, but so are "combative," "conspiratorial," and "ruthless." His career has been one of numerous short-lived jobs, at least three dismissals, and a revoked security clearance.

Sounds rather like a description of a psychopath.

Washington Monthly said:
For hardliners in the Bush administration, however, having a combative, conspiratorial, or ruthless personality isn't exactly a drawback. Rather, it is seen as a desirable quality in an administration that has been in an almost constant state of war with expert consensus, which it sees as a fortress of liberal bias and as a hindrance to bold action. Still, even if the White House might prefer to operate solely on instinct, administration officials need experts inside and outside of government to help them set strategy, to lace their speeches with supportive factoids, to win arguments in inner-agency battles with opponents, to produce studies purportedly showing that all the other experts are wrong ("Carbon dioxide: They call it pollution. We call it life."), and to speak to journalists looking for "both sides" of a debate.

"Supportive factoids"! Boy does that ever sum up American foreign policy.

Washington Monthly said:
Prior to the invasion of Iraq, eccentric experts on the Middle East dominated administration thinking, but most are now back on the outside of policy. "The Middle East is just a blip," explained a 2005 Atlantic Monthly article headlined "How We Would Fight China" by Robert D. Kaplan. China is the new long-term game, and Pillsbury is the neocons' successor, the latest Cassandra with Rumsfeld's ear. Unfortunately, this is a White House with an unenviable record of picking its Cassandras. The right ones (Eric Shinseki) have often been ignored in favor of the wrong ones (Ahmed Chalabi). And the consequences have been serious. But which Cassandra is Michael Pillsbury?

Out-hawking the hawks

In person, Pillsbury, a blue-eyed, consciously polished figure in his early sixties, is a combination of charm and caginess. At a recent meeting at a Corner Bakery in downtown Washington, D.C., he sipped lowfat milk and genially fended off questions about his work. He attributes negative press such as the story about his mistranslation between Rumsfeld and Hu to rumors spread by "panda huggers" (a pejorative term for those who take a more benign view of Beijing). "I try to focus on a topic that no one focuses on," he says, contrasting himself to his peers. "It's mainly the future, more than five years ahead, sometimes 10 years ahead."

Actually, scores of China experts within the military, the intelligence community, and the academy devote their lives precisely to assessing the Chinese military and its possible impact on U.S. interests over the next five or 10 years. Nearly all have arrived at the same conclusion: that China's military is nowhere close to being a credible threat to the United States or its interests.

China's military technology is widely considered to be about 20 years behind that of the United States, and its defense expenditures (even if its official numbers are tripled, which some say must be done to capture China's full investment) are less than a fifth of those of the United States, which spends nearly half a trillion dollars per year. The defense budgets of South Korea and Japan are each bigger than that of China, too. To be sure, China, thanks to its growing economic might, has been modernizing its armed forces rapidly. But so has the United States, which currently spends $70 billion per year on defense R&D alone (higher than the defense R&D budgets of the rest of the world combined). As Admiral William Fallon, head of the U.S. Pacific Command, recently told The Wall Street Journal, "Technologically, we are far and away more sophisticated than they [the Chinese] are, and they know it."

If China were to have any serious capacity to project power beyond its shores, it would need what any great power has: aircraft carriers. As Fred Kaplan points out in Slate, though, China has only two (used ones purchased from the U.S.S.R.), which are being used not as weapons platforms but, in the Pentagon's own words, as "floating military theme parks." Some experts think that China might have one combat-ready carrier by 2015.

When assessing threats, security experts look not only at capacity but also at intent. (Great Britain could incinerate U.S. cities with nuclear weapons, for example, but this has cost us little sleep.) Here, the debate becomes more heated. All agree that China harbors considerable nationalist sentiment, has its eyes on Taiwan, and has shown a willingness to behave mercilessly towards its dissidents, but they disagree over whether this translates into plans to challenge or outdo the United States militarily. Some, such as Gen. Peter Pace, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, take a sanguine view widely shared within the uniformed military. "There are lots of countries in the world that have the capacity to wage war," Pace said in a 2005 press conference. "Very few have the intent to do so. And, clearly, we have a complex but good relationship with China. So there's absolutely no reason for us to believe there's any intent on their part." Some take a darker view. And many simply say there's no telling what China hopes to do and, for now, little point in trying. Many things can happen in twenty years. China may become the next Soviet Union. Or its economy might collapse. Or it might become a democracy. Convenient as it may be to lock in one's enemies in advance, the world doesn't work that way.

Regardless of how the world actually works, the prevailing mentality in Washington is always the Dr. Strangelovian one: 'those damned gooks, russkies and a-rabs out to git us.'

Washington Monthly said:
The debate over intent has led to different policymaking recommendations. Experts advocating a tougher stance argue that China is more likely to restrain itself in the decades ahead in response to overwhelming displays of force today. To that end, they support increased deployments of forces to the Pacific and more spending on weapons. They also press for a "hedging strategy" of building alliances with China's neighbors, such as Japan and India, should relations with the Middle Kingdom go sour. This, for the most part, has been the approach of the Bush administration.

Those counseling restraint argue that China already has a keen sense of U.S. military superiority. An overtly aggressive posture against a potential long-term threat, they say, will only convince China to become hostile and make it less likely to cooperate on the real, immediate threats posed by Iran and North Korea. Many also warn against using China as an excuse to spend precious defense dollars on weapons we may not need, especially since the United States is, at least indirectly, borrowing money to build them from the Chinese.

On this spectrum of opinion, Pillsbury dwells on the far-hawkish end. Where others view China's intentions as complicated, Pillsbury says that Beijing views the United States as an "inevitable foe." ("He makes simple what is not simple," says Mark Pratt, a former State Department official who has known Pillsbury for over 30 years.) Where others debate the merits of hedging, Pillsbury feels that things haven't gone far enough. "The U.S. can do much more to hedge in the next few years if the Chinese do not end their excessive military secrecy and begin to reassure their neighbors," he recently told The Wall Street Journal. And where nearly everyone agrees that China is far behind the United States in military capacity, Pillsbury has been among the first, and the few, to argue that Beijing is preparing for an asymmetric military conflict with the United States in which it would draw on secret "assassin's mace" weapons. The term "assassin's mace," more commonly translated as "trump card" (shashoujian) is, according to Pillsbury, integral to a Chinese notion of "inferior defeats superior." (The Pentagon's most recent annual report to Congress on China's military from May 2006 includes the term, mentioning Chinese efforts to exploit "perceived vulnerabilities of potential opponents--so-called Assassin's Mace [sha shou jian] programs.") An "assassin's mace" might take the form of a computer application, for instance, that would take over an enemy information system, rendering a foe the victim of his own dependence on technology. In Pillsbury's telling, China intends to leapfrog ahead in battle readiness by using assassin's-mace weapons to find breaches in U.S. armor. Moreover, he implies, they could be ready at any time.

Aha, so this guy is probably the originator of the 'Chinese hackers are to blame' card the US government now pulls out on a routine basis.

Washington Monthly said:
Broken China

Pillsbury wasn't always a hardliner on China. As an undergraduate at Stanford in the 1960s, he was so taken with Chinese culture that he decided to make a career of it. In the 1970s, he enrolled as a graduate student at Columbia University and took a job at the Rand Corporation. His first moment of fame would come in 1975, when he published an article in Foreign Policy suggesting that China and the U.S. establish military-to-military relations as a counter to the Soviet Union. Many old-school anti-communists objected, but then-Governor Ronald Reagan was among those who were impressed. The Gipper even sent Pillsbury a handwritten letter of praise.

In 1978, Pillsbury went into government, taking a job as a Republican staff assistant to the Senate Budget Committee. He soon found allies among the Senate's more conservative members, such as Jesse Helms and Orrin Hatch, but he also made enemies. Prior to his death this year, John Carbaugh, a former Senate staffer, told The Washington Monthly that he had been investigated for a leak in 1980 that had actually come from Pillsbury. "He went after me," said Carbaugh. "I was just blind-sided." (Pillsbury denies the story.)

Holding on to employment was something else. His first job ended after only five months, when Pillsbury traveled to Japan and told his hosts that the U.S. ambassador was "not in touch" with Congress. ("Not only did I not say it, but I took written notes at every meeting," Pillsbury complained to AP after his firing.) By 1981, Pillsbury had managed to secure a spot as acting director of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency (ACDA), but this post, too, lasted only a few months. (A Reagan official told the trade journal Aviation Week & Space Technology that Pillsbury had been a "loose cannon" who'd acted "contrary to Administration policy.") In 1986, Pillsbury achieved his most prominent dismissal yet, when he was let go as assistant undersecretary of defense for leaking to reporters that the administration had begun to supply the resistance in Afghanistan and Angola with Stinger missiles. (Pillsbury denied the allegations.)

But Pillsbury kept coming back, amassing a record for recovery that would exhaust even the most diligent phoenix. Weeks after his 1986 firing, he was back working for four senators--Orrin Hatch, Jesse Helms, Gordon J. Humphrey, and Chic Hecht--as an advisor on foreign-policy issues.

The meltdown of the Bank of Credit and Commerce International in 1991 should probably have ended Pillsbury's career. According to a report released by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1992, he had developed close ties to BCCI frontman Mohammed Hammoud, a Lebanese Shi'ite millionaire, meeting with him "ten to twenty times" in cities around the world and accepting money from him. The report explained:

According to Pillsbury, Hammoud paid him an advance to coauthor a scholarly text about the Shi'ites... However, Pillsbury refused to disclose the amount he had been paid by Hammoud, and when the payment was made. Pillsbury argued that these facts were irrelevant since he ultimately returned the money, although he refused to specify when that occurred. Pillsbury stated that his expenses had never been paid by either Hammoud or BCCI. However, these statements are contradicted by notes taken by BCCI's lawyer...

The report also found that Pillsbury, when BCCI began to totter, had written to the public relations firm of Hill and Knowlton "offering to be of assistance to BCCI in its public relations efforts."

By the late 1990s, though, BCCI was a dim memory, and Pillsbury a changed man--at least as far as China was concerned. A Sinophile no more, Pillsbury spoke of having been shocked by the Tiananmen killings in 1989 and appalled by anti-American sentiment among Chinese officials. His timing was good. Anti-China sentiment was running high in Washington, with Republican lawmakers depicting the White House as soft on Beijing and Regnery Publishing releasing books like Year of the Rat: How Bill Clinton Compromised American Security for Chinese Money. For Pillsbury, who'd spent the Clinton years bouncing in relative obscurity as a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council of the United States and as an associate fellow at the National Defense University, knowing something about China represented a way to get back in the game.

The Bank of Crooks and Cronies International, why am I not surprised he's caught up in it. The BCCI was basically the CIA's slush fund for funding terrorism via arms and drugs sales.

Washington Monthly said:
Soon, he had emerged as part of an unofficial but powerful Washington group called the Blue Team. Composed of leading anti-China conservatives, the Blue Team (the name comes from a common code designation, red versus blue, for the sides in war games) was dedicated to persuading lawmakers on the Hill to take a harder line against China. And, meanwhile, Pillsbury, with the backing of long-time mentor Andrew Marshall, head of the Pentagon's Office of Net Assessment, released two books: Chinese Views of Future Warfare, in 1997, and China Debates the Future Security Environment, in 2000. They painted a picture of a self-confident China eagerly anticipating the decline of U.S.

As are we all, China, as are we all.

This Andrew Marshall, by the way, has only just retired from the Pentagon at 93. Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Pillsbury and others are all considered his 'protegés', giving you some idea of his prominence at the highest level of US imperial management.

The Quiet American

The Economist, 10 January 2015

He rarely speaks in public and almost never to the press. Most of his reports are secret. A historian once asked if even his brain was classified. But for over four decades Andrew Marshall’s judgments, emanating from a small office in the Pentagon, have guided American defence policy.

From Wikipedia:

Andrew W. Marshall was the director of the United States Department of Defense's Office of Net Assessment. Appointed to the position in 1973 by United States President Richard Nixon, Marshall has been re-appointed by every president that followed.

What is this 'Office of Net Assessment'?

The United States Department of Defense's Office of Net Assessment (ONA) was created in 1973 by Richard Nixon to serve as the Pentagon's "internal think tank" that "looks 20 to 30 years into the military's future, often with the assistance of outside contractors, and produces reports on the results of its research".

And that's about all you'll ever hear about it. It has been producing reports for 50 years... and they're all classified. Back to the Washington Monthly article:

Washington Monthly said:
"To make incorrect judgments by sending disinformation"

In Pillsbury's view, the crucial attribute that separates him from his peers is an ability to think farther ahead. "What you find with my colleagues is they say they don't need to worry about the future," he says.

Some of Pillsbury's supporters agree. "In Washington, at times, people are risk-averse and have groupthink," says Randall Schriver, an East Asia specialist at the State Department until 2005. "But Pillsbury feels unbounded by conventional thinking. He thinks long-term, strategically." Derek Leebaert, professor in the government department at Georgetown University, calls Pillsbury "one of the few serious scholars in national security," adding that many others "at the top are barely qualified."

Indeed, he seems to be one of that 'breed'.

Washington Monthly said:
But the true difference between most experts and Michael Pillsbury appears to lie somewhere else: namely, in the scholarship. With the exception of Chinese Views of Future Warfare, which is a straightforward compilation of translated essays, Pillsbury's work over the past decade has become increasingly speculative and dubious. In particular, a close examination of his writings reveals a troubling approach to evidence and primary sources.

A case in point is Pillsbury's paper "China's Military Strategy Toward the U.S.: A View from Open Sources" from November of 2001. The piece names numerous Chinese military writings, including an article entitled "Twenty-first Century Naval Warfare" by Naval Captain Shen Zhongchang, Naval Lieutenant Commander Zhang Haiying, and Naval Lieutenant Zhou Xinsheng of the Chinese Navy Research Institute. According to Pillsbury, the article is written to show "how China could adopt several asymmetrical approaches to defeating a larger and more powerful navy," and one of them "will be for China to attack American naval command and information systems." (Underlined boldface Pillsbury's.)

But Pillsbury's footnotes lead to an essay that never discusses how China fits into future naval warfare, much less any sort of hypothetical attack on the United States. (The essay even appears in Pillsbury's 1997 book, translated into English.)

In other words, it was pure conjecture from his paranoid mind.

Washington Monthly said:
Later in his report, Pillsbury takes on another essay by the same authors and does something similar:

In an article entitled "The Military Revolution in Naval Warfare," Captain Shen Zhongchang and his co-authors list new technologies that will contribute to the defeat of the United States.... The American system may not be so safe from attack.

But the original essay makes no reference to how China might defeat the United States. China, in fact, is never mentioned once in the essay, nor is the concept of defeating the United States.

Asked about these characterizations, Pillsbury said that, in China, "There seems to be a taboo from directly saying the United States. And these people use euphemism." If that's the inference, then why doesn't the paper explain this? "Because sometimes when I turn in my first draft, somebody will say, 'Be specific. Say what you mean.'"

Pillsbury also takes dramatic liberties with his translations. At one point in China Debates the Future Security Environment, for example, Pillsbury refers to an essay by one General Pan Junfeng that discusses the significance of the IT revolution for future warfare. He cites three sentences, placing them in direct quotation marks: "We can make the enemy's command centers not work by changing their data system. We can cause the enemy's headquarters to make incorrect judgments by sending disinformation. We can dominate the enemy's banking system and even its entire social order."

But Pan's piece is worded quite differently. The original sentences--there are actually four, not three--appear in a section discussing the limitations of technological superiority, and they're introduced by a topic sentence discussing how using computers to wage war might allow one side to cause the opposing side (no nationalities are named) "to sink into an information disaster." Two Chinese speakers translating directly from a summer 1996 issue of China Military Science came up with nearly identical translations that read as follows:

For example, altering relevant data in the enemy's computer system can cause his command centers and weapons systems to be flooded with mistaken information and thereby unable to function normally. Pouring false intelligence into the enemy's computer network can cause his command office to make mistaken decisions, thereby bringing about faults in strategic policy. Issuing false orders to the enemy's army through the enemy's computer system can cause the enemy army to take orders from oneself and military movements to sink into confusion. Using the computer system to destroy the enemy country's bank accounts can sow confusion in the enemy country's financial and economic order, causing social unrest, and so forth.

Looking back at Pillsbury's version of the above passage, then, it's apparent that he's taken Pan's original sentences and added a non-existent "we," thereby ascribing implicit nationalities to the parties where none is named, and has truncated the original sentences beyond normal conventions of translation.

Shown the different translations, Pillsbury, responding in an email, said, "I do not ascribe nationalities to the parties. [A]nd I remind you that it is a photo caption. I had no editorial control over the photo captions." But the photo caption is taken directly from a passage in the body of the book. Pillsbury also claimed to have met personally with General Pan and to have been told "how to interpret his article." But Pillsbury did not explain why he chose to write his interpretation directly into passages that appear in quotation marks.

The "photo caption" of General Pan, meanwhile, did not go unnoticed by the press. It was quoted, for instance, in a Washington Times article, "Pentagon Study Finds China Preparing for War with U.S.," which used it to show that "China also plans electronic attacks on computer networks."

And voila! You have the media echo chamber casting your own projections of what you want to do to China (or whichever enemy du jour). Because certainly there is evidence for the US "making the enemy's command centers not work by changing their data system, causing the enemy's headquarters to make incorrect judgments by sending disinformation, and dominating the enemy's banking system and even its entire social order."

Washington Monthly said:
And what about the "Assassin's Mace," one of Pillsbury's major preoccupations? Here, Pillsbury appears to have taken a common Chinese term, shashoujian, and decided, based on his own unfamiliarity with it ("I first saw this unusual term in…1995," he writes in a 2003 article) that it indicates what he calls a "secret project." In fact, though, the term has been around for centuries and has been revived in contemporary Chinese pop culture, a slangy phrase that appears in articles about everything from soccer to romance. Pillsbury cites public speeches by Chinese leaders and articles in Chinese newspapers that speak of developing "shashoujian" weapons, but he never explains how this adds up to evidence of a secret program. It's as if a Chinese researcher, hearing a U.S. official speaking of a need for "kick-ass weapons," were to become confused by the term "kick-ass" and conclude that there must be a secret "kick-ass weapons" program. In short, Pillsbury has identified a secret program that, by all indications, is literally no more than a figure of speech.

:cuckoo:

Washington Monthly said:
"Poetic license"

Pillsbury's techniques of scholarship carry into his approach to self-promotion. Again, claims and evidence clash. The Wall Street Journal profile, for instance, wrote that "Mr. Pillsbury has never had to worry about steady employment. He's a member of the Pillsbury flour family," and a 1987 Washington Post article describes him as "related to the merchant-millionaire Pillsburys of Minneapolis." In Washington, this is helpful: It brings access to powerful people, attracts invitations to the right parties, and conveys the impression of immunity from the conflicts of interest that might bedevil needier men. Pillsbury's defenders often point to his wealth as an indication of his detachment from career urgencies.

A close examination of the Pillsbury flour fortune, however, shows no links to Michael Pillsbury. Asked about his ties to the family, Pillsbury is at first tentative: "It's a matter of degree. I am in the Pillsbury family tree in America." What about the flour fortune? "I don't know where that phrase came from. It didn't come from me." Pillsbury speculates that journalists might indulge in "poetic license."

Similarly, desirable professional affiliations attach themselves to him, but they're often obsolete. Pillsbury continues to figure as a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council in articles, websites, and public appearances, even though he hasn't been with the Council since 1996. He claims to correct such errors "constantly" and says that his rivals are trying to undermine him. "There is this bastard down at the Atlantic Council who is a policy opponent of mine," Pillsbury explains. "He is the one that goes around accusing me of claiming to be a senior fellow when I am not. So, I called him directly. Stop doing this. He got really plucky." And who is he? "I seem to have forgotten his name."

Part of Pillsbury's authority derives from steady appearances in the media, to which he appears to be drawn. (Back in the 1980s, The Washington Post described Pillsbury as "an acknowledged master of political machination," and Time singled him out as one of "Washington's Master Leakers.") Today, Pillsbury makes frequent on-the-record appearances in a variety of sources, from The Wall Street Journal to Defense News, from The Washington Times to "Lou Dobbs Tonight" on CNN. Still, he says, "I don't return most reporters' phone calls," adding, "I am not, generally speaking, allowed to talk to the press."

Lately, a reliable ally has been Washington Times columnist Bill Gertz, with whom, according to an August 2002 article in the Oriental Economist, Pillsbury has regularly teamed up to derail nominations to key Asia-related jobs. This, too, Pillsbury denies: "I have occasionally, about five times, given Gertz on-the-record quotes for his stories." Actually, Pillsbury's name has appeared in 32 stories by Gertz since the late 1990s, of which at least 15 have contained on-the-record quotes.

So Gertz and Pillsbury go way back.

Washington Monthly said:
Pillsbury's maneuverings and string-pulling often resemble scenes out of a spy novel, so it's no surprise that he's written his own. Pillsbury says the book still awaits clearance. "There are certain security review authorities," he explains. And he makes an offer: "I think I will put you in it. May have to have you killed off early in chapter one."

In Washington, not many experts with such a record of self-sabotage would retain their influence at the top. But there's a market for Pillsbury: There may be no other China expert with such hawkish views and a Ph.D. who has also served extensively in both the executive and legislative branches of government. More important, he gives his sponsors the research they want. China may turn into a serious enemy, or it may not. For now, we have chosen to assume the former, along with the costs. If the Bush administration has taught us anything, however, it's that overestimating a threat can be as dangerous as underestimating one. Rumsfeld and Pillsbury, it appears, take a different view. But what those of us on the outside must decide, once again, is whether the experts the White House hawks are choosing for their particular insight are really experts at all--whether their specialty lies in facts or speculation, in scholarship or in advertising, in conclusions based on evidence or in evidence based on conclusions.

'Experts' like Pillsbury are part of the caste of 'writers' Prouty wrote about in Secret Team. They insert their own factoids in order to skew policy-making in certain directions, and to hell with objective analysis. Their unspoken strategy - probably explicated in those 'For Eyes' only reports churned out by Marshall's Pentagon think-tank - concerns how to advance, entrench and secure (forever) US world hegemony. In the course of 'seeing which way the wind is blowing' and heading off potential threats to their hegemony 20-30 years into the future, they concoct 'potential future scenarios' by 'dreaming them into reality' today in the expectation (hope?) that they will 'take hold' in the mass mind, which then behaves as if they were real (for reference, see: the Commie threat, the Terror threat, the Chinese threat, the Iranian threat, the Russian threat, etc, etc). Thus they bend reality to their psychopathic projections. They're 'reality-creators', as one of their own explained to journalist Ron Suskind in 2004...

"The [White House] aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality. That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors. And you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
 
Thank you all very much for this enlightening thread. Worth every minute it took for me to read in its entirety.

With reference to Siberia’s quote below — just as a matter of curiosity — I wanted to calculate the number of psychopaths vs. normal people in both China and the USA. Mostly because the percentages only mean something when you factor in the number of people we’re talking about. 23% of how many people? 0.9% of how many people.


Siberia - Page 2 - Reply #15 on January 09 said:
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(Belibaste) We wanted to know the percentage of psychopaths geographically speaking, like in the US, Israel, UK.

(L) Alright, let's take them one at a time.

(Belibaste) USA?

A: 23 percent.


And from the same session:

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Q: (Ailén) China?

A: 0.9

I checked out 2 websites for national population statistics for nations of the world — World Bank and Wikipedia. World Bank’s stats are for the year 2013 which are slightly lower than Wikipedia’s stats which are for the year 2015. So I used the 2015/Wikipedia statistics to calculate the number of psychopaths in both China and the USA.


_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population


China: 1,369,265,000 — 0.9% = 12,323,385 Psychopaths/China

USA: 320,686,000 — 23% = 73,757,780 Psychopaths/USA


1,369,265,000 — Total China Population
- 320,686,000 — Total USA Population
1,048,579,000 — More People in China than in USA


73,757,780 — USA Psychopaths
- 12,323,385 — China Psychopaths
61,434,395 — More Psychopaths in USA than in China


320,686,000 — Total USA Population
- 73,757,780 — USA Psychopaths
246,928,220 — USA Normal People


1,369,265,000 — Total China Population
- 12,323,385 — China Psychopaths
1,356,941,615 — China Normal People

* * * * * *

73+ MILLION psychopaths in the USA vs. 12+ MILLION in China. No wonder the USA has such an Entropic Frequency. Ouch!

As for the Pillsbury Doughboy — Y’all know what happened to him in that movie “Ghost Busters”?

Cheers!
 
13 Twirling Triskeles said:
With reference to Siberia’s quote below — just as a matter of curiosity — I wanted to calculate the number of psychopaths vs. normal people in both China and the USA. Mostly because the percentages only mean something when you factor in the number of people we’re talking about. 23% of how many people? 0.9% of how many people.

It is interesting that the USA still has a higher "absolute" number of psychopaths even with its smaller population. But I am not sure that determining the actual number of psychopaths in a population gives a more significant measure than does the proportion (or percentage) or psychopaths in the population. To take an extreme example, compare a tiny community of 30 people, of whom 10 are psychopaths, with a large community of say 1 billion people, of whom 100 are psychopaths. The larger community has 10 times more psychopaths than the tiny community, but which community's social structure do you think would be more ponerized or "psychopathic"? In the tiny community, 1 in 3 people you meet would be a psychopath. In the large community, only 1 in 10 million people is a psychopath.
 
Yes, it's interesting to look at the numbers and percentages in different ways, but I'd have to agree with Mal7 that the percentage is the most relevant figure in terms of how much interactions in a society would be with a psychopath. Now think about what the C's said about Israel having the highest percentage (or when asked, said in the past their was a very high figure in what's currently the areas around Netherlands/Belgium). Figures in the forties or higher seem to be an exception even in this ponerized world.
 
SeekinTruth said:
Yes, it's interesting to look at the numbers and percentages in different ways, but I'd have to agree with Mal7 that the percentage is the most relevant figure in terms of how much interactions in a society would be with a psychopath.

Agreed.

I firmly believe percentage is the more relevant factor.
If you have 2 persons and one is a psychopath--you have a big problem.
But you can have 1 million psychos--but if it's out of 10 billion, it's less of a problem, due to counter-balancing forces at work.

Given China's emergence, her low percentage is indeed one of the few hopeful signs presently. Speaking in broad general terms.

C's have said ... silent waters run deep and run strong. I think the quiet (and sometimes not so quiet) presence of China in the background is of tremendous value to Putin's efforts. The AIIB being a case in point.

PS One quick side note. The often repeated assumption of a "collapsing dollar" (or soon to be) should be taken with a grain of salt. As shown in chart below, the dollar has not been collapsing. On the contrary, the trend in recent years have been strongly up. But of course that can change in a hurry.

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/dxy/charts?symb=DXY&countrycode=US&time=12&startdate=1%2F4%2F1999&enddate=4%2F15%2F2015&freq=1&compidx=none&compind=none&comptemptext=Enter+Symbol%28s%29&comp=none&uf=7168&ma=1&maval=50&lf=1&lf2=4&lf3=0&type=2&size=2&style=1013
 
Kerry says U.S. will continue to step up relations with Taiwan

The China Post, April 15, 2015

China Post said:
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said recently that Washington will continue to step up efforts to improve its relations with Taiwan, which is a key stakeholder of the U.S. Asia-Pacific regional policy.

...'key stakeholder' being code for 'key vassal state through which to manipulate China'.

China Post said:
In answer to a written interrogatory from U.S. congressman Gerry Connolly on the 36th anniversary of the enactment of the Taiwan Relations Act, Kerry described Taiwan as a fundamental element of the Obama administration's "rebalancing to Asia" policy.

...meaning 'a fundamental element of the US govt's balance-of-power strategy in East Asia'.

China Post said:
The United States will continue to expand and improve its solid and multi-sided unofficial relations with Taiwan, which is a crucial partner for Washington in terms of security and economics, he said.

...meaning the US will dig its claws deeper into Taiwan.

China Post said:
Kerry noted that the U.S. continues to strengthen its exchanges on trade and investment with Taiwan through the bilateral Trade and Investment Framework Agreement (TIFA), and that it welcomes Taiwan's bid to join the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade bloc, which is led by the U.S.

Washington also follows the Taiwan Relations Act and a "one China" policy to provide Taiwan with defensive weapons and services that can beef up Taiwan's defensive capabilities, he said.

...yeah, 'defensive' in the same way the US war ministry is called the 'Department of Defense'.

China Post said:
A total of 23 U.S. congressmen have expressed their support for the Taiwan Relations Act (TRA), which provides the legal basis for Taiwan-U.S. relations in the absence of official ties.

The legislation was enacted on April 10, 1979 to maintain commercial, cultural and other relations between the U.S. and Taiwan after Washington switched diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing. The act also enshrines the U.S. commitment to assist Taiwan in maintaining its defensive capability.

In other words, the diplomatic bait-and-switch was part of a deceptive strategy: 'recognize' Beijing, while using Taiwan as leverage over the Chinese government.
 
Ma17 -- SeekinTruth -- Sitting

I absolutely agree with all of you that percentages are much more important than actual numbers. Which is why I wanted to do these calculations.

Because I am so abysmal at math, when I read that 0.09% of China's population were psychopaths -- and knowing that China's population was so much greater than the US population -- I could infer there was less psychopathic influence in China than in the US.

What was important for me was to see that out of 320+Million people in the United States, 73+Million are psychos. That number is huge in my mind. Regardless of how large or small the total population -- or how large or small the percentage. 73Million is what 23% means in actual numbers.

So even if China also had 73Million psychopaths, because their total population is over 1Billion, there would still be less psychopath influence? Yes, I understand that totally.

Yes, I see that 23% of 10 people would result in an extremely ponerized group -- even though the number of people is so much smaller. The influence would be relative to the percentage.

The fact that China has far fewer actual numbers of psychopaths -- plus the fact that they have a much lower percentage of total population of psychopaths -- just makes the statistics of both numbers and percentages even more astounding to me. Like a Double Whammy.

Apologies -- maybe it wasn't as important to others as it was to me.
 
Thanks for the analysis, 13 Twirling Triskeles. It makes sense. Modern China isn't war-like. Higher concentrations of psychopathy seem to be more prevalent in the white race, viz. European colonization of nearly the whole planet, and current imperial stewardship under the American banner.
 
Niall said:
Thanks for the analysis, 13 Twirling Triskeles. It makes sense. Modern China isn't war-like. Higher concentrations of psychopathy seem to be more prevalent in the white race, viz. European colonization of nearly the whole planet, and current imperial stewardship under the American banner.

Yup. It's quite mind boggling when you consider how much land has been colonized by the Anglo-Euro-Zio gang in the last 5 centuries or so. And how many hundreds of millions killed, maimed, and impoverished - the true signs of the psychopaths running the world.
 
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