Laura Answers Questions from Readers:
The Matrix, DNA, Illusions of OUr World, and the Alchemy of Transformation

A Reader writes to Laura: Was e-mailed your site in conjunction with a discussion regarding energy and consciousness. Since the "Matrix" was an expression for me of my own search within I read that "discussion". Interestingly enough I just rented the video and watched it again last night. Current "awareness" resulted in the movie being of greater interest. I have a question...what is it that stands between the physical and etherical that prevents us from connection to our higher vibration,thereby allowing direction, and manifestion? it fear of the truth, fear of losing oneself, fear of being used by energy not of oneself, or just as it seemed you indicate...lack of awareness?
msnumbers USA -


I don't know how many of the other sections of this site you have read, but the answer to this question is given in part in many of the sections. But, to give you the short one, the thing that "stands between" the physical and ethereal worlds, or between densities and which is reflected in our awareness, is our DNA.

It has often been noted that only 2 % of our DNA is involved in coding the proteins that make up our bodies; the rest is referred to as "junk." There are theories about why this is so, including the "Selfish Gene" theory where it is postulated that human beings are merely constructs created by DNA for the purpose of propagating DNA!

Another thing noted is that we seem to utilize only 5 % of our brains - and there are many theories about why this is so as well. I would like to suggest that there is a connection.

In my 30 or more years of research into the paranormal, psi phenomena, "Forteana," and the workings of the human mind, I have often noted some odd connections. The one that occurred over and over again was a reference to psi and genetics. Time and time again a person who had "strange powers" would remark that "Oh, I inherited the sight from my aunt, or grandmother, or mother, or uncle or whatever."

Then, there was the peculiar connection of the endocrine system to psi phenomena. Many serious studies of "poltergeist" type phenomena note that it is most often, if not always, manifested in the presence of either a pubescent child or a sexually "fluctuating" woman, including those who are in one or another stage of menopause.

The next curious thing was the many notations of psi phenomena onset after a severe trauma to the head, or a strong electrical shock.

Then, there are both yogis and saints and practitioners of various "nature" religions who, after certain ecstatic practices which have been shown to have effect on both the electric current in the body as well as the chemicals, including hormones and neurotransmitters, can levitate, heal, bi-locate, manifest apparitions for others to see, increase body heat, decrease heart-rate, slow or stop autonomic functions.

Hormones as well as electrical current can alter DNA by affecting the permeability of the neural membranes or by altering the balance or composition of neurotransmitters, thus "turning on or off" DNA.

One thing is clear to me after all of these years of study: psi phenomena, whether it is healing or manifestation of matter or bi-location or whatever has almost NO relation whatsoever to one's state of spirituality. I encountered a family line that could "stop the flow of blood" with the touch of a hand, yet nearly every member was alcoholic, promiscuous, abusive to partners and children, and generally what one would consider to be ethically deficient. Yet, certain members of this line had this interesting "power" and were often called upon by neighbors and friend to save lives - even if they had to be hauled out of a bar dead drunk!

So, we have a curious series of factors to contend with that all seem to point in the direction of DNA being far more interesting and mysterious than we might have supposed.

On the one hand we have such naturally transmitted "powers," and on the other hand we have folks who can engage in some activity that either temporarily or permanently changes something in their physiology - and the apparent result is psi phenomena.

So, what are we to think? I think that it all points to the fact that we have this huge amount of DNA that nobody knows much about which can respond to these activities - in other words, we may ALL have these abilities hiding inside us, we only have to figure out how to "unlock" them. And this, of course, indicates that our DNA is possibly the "interface" between the ethereal world and the physical, thus suggesting that discovering ways to "bait suppressor genes" by production of certain chemicals or energies in the body is the key to perception.

And, in this sense, knowledge DOES, indeed, play a role. It has been demonstrated in numerous studies that learning, exercising the brain, working with thoughts and concepts, actually DOES stimulate the increase in number of synapses. Very recently I read an article about an Alzheimer's Disease study where a population of nuns volunteered for lifelong participation including giving their brains after death. Well, what did the researchers learn? They found that a number of these individuals who had brains that were literally "mush" from Alzheimer's had NEVER exhibited any symptoms while living. Why? Because they were educated, active in their work and mental life, watched very little television most likely, and were constantly involved in educational pursuits that expanded their knowledge base well into old age! In other words, they had never stopped thinking and learning and working with their minds!

Another Alzheimer's study was interesting in that it demonstrated that persons with "low word usage density" were more likely to manifest early symptoms. In other words, people who had used their minds very little and therefore had no "deep thoughts" and were, in effect, shallow.

So, if learning, exercising the mind, working with difficult concepts, and continuously expanding the knowledge and awareness base can have such effects as this, it might also be supposed that it can actually alter the chemical balance of hormones and/or neurotransmitters thereby turning genes on or off!

What have the Cassiopaeans said about all of this? I want to start with one of the most recent remarks and then pick up more or less chronologically from the beginning. There is a HUGE amount of material here, and it seems that I could not be more brief on the subject without omitting crucial connections:

Note: On February 4, 2002 we received additional information from Peter Gariaev, Institute Control of Sciences Russian Academy of Sciences, now at Wave Genetics Inc., Canada, that clarifies some of the issues with the origins of the "phantom DNA" research.

Q: (A) I want to ask about this DNA phantom effect that some Russians recently discovered. They shoot with lasers into this vacuum and record photons with detectors. It detects noise because there is nothing coherent. Then, they put a little piece of DNA there. This DNA has a certain regular structure. So, the photons from the lasers scatter from this DNA molecule in a certain wavy pattern which corresponds to the internal structure of the DNA. Now, they remove the DNA and for a month or two they continue to obtain a coherent pattern from the vacuum as though something was still there. They call it the 'phantom DNA.'
A: The "phantom" is a remnant of the consciousness residue contained within the DNA structure.
Q: (A) Where does this remnant reside? 1)In the vacuum, 2) in the vibrations of the vacuum, 3) in a gravitational field that is inside the vacuum, 4) in some nonlinear electromagnetics, 5)Space itself?
A: You hit it pretty close with the last three.
Q: (C) Wouldn't it be like leaving an impression in a cushion? (A) Yes, but this is a vacuum. (L) I guess that a vacuum isn't what we think it is. There is something there that is not amenable to our perception. (A) So, consciousness resides in a DNA structure. (L) Okay, this anthropologist, Michael Harner, was doing some field work, and it says here that Harner went to the Peruvian Amazon to study the culture of the Conibo Indians. After a year or so he had made little headway in understanding their religious system, when the Conibo told him [reads] 'if he really wanted to learn, he had to drink ayahuasca. Harner accepted, not without fear because the people had warned him that the experience was terrifying. The following evening, under the strict supervision of his indigenous friends, he drank the equivalent of a third of a bottle. After several minutes he found himself flying into a world of true hallucinations. After arriving in a celestial cavern where a supernatural carnival of demons was in full swing, he saw two strange boats floating through the air that combined to form a huge dragon headed prow not unlike that of a Viking ship. On the deck he could make out large numbers of people with the heads of bluejays and the bodies of humans, not unlike the bird-headed gods of ancient Egyptian tomb paintings. After multiple episodes, which would be too long to describe here, Harner became convinced that he was dying. He tried calling out to his Conibo friends for an antidote without managing to pronounce a word. Then he saw that his visions emanated from giant reptilian creatures that resided at the lowest depths of his brain. These creatures began projecting scenes in front of his eyes while informing him that this information was reserved for the dying and the dead. 'First, they showed me the planet Earth as it was aeons ago before there was any life on it. I saw an ocean, barren land, and a bright blue sky. Then black specks dropped from the sky by the hundreds and landed in front of me on the barren landscape. I could see that the specks were actually large, shiny black creatures with stubby pterodactyl-like wings and huge whale-like bodies. They explained to me in a kind of thought language, that they were fleeing from something from out in space. They had come to the planet earth to escape their enemy. The creatures then showed me how they had created life on the planet in order to hide within the multitudinous forms, and thus disguise their presence. Before me, the magnificence of plant and animal creation and speciation and hundreds of millions of years of activity, took place on a scale and with a vividness impossible to describe. I learned that dragon-like creatures were thus inside all forms of life, including man.' At this point in his account, Harner writes in a footnote at the bottom of the page: 'in retrospect, one could say that they were almost like DNA, although at that time, in 1961, I knew nothing of DNA.' So, I would like to know what was the source and nature of these nearly universal visions that occurs in these shamanistic practices; the various creatures including serpents and bird-headed dudes, and so forth? What is the source of these hallucinations? (C) In these chemically induced trances, why is there the common experience of seeing these bird-headed or serpent-like creatures?
A: While you have physicality, some part of you will maintain the connection to its roots.
Q: (L) Are you saying that all these people who say that human beings have reptilian genetics, are telling the truth? Do we have reptilian genetics?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Do we also have bird genetics?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And that is our physical connection or basis?
A: Yes, as third density bioengineered beings, you lead the smorgasbord parade of that which surrounds you in the physical realm.
Q: (A) So, we are 3rd density bioengineered beings. (L) That leads to another question: there is a lot of talk about the Merovingian bloodlines, or the 'Nordic Covenant' bloodlines, or whatever label is put on it, being a 'fresher' version of the reptilian genetic strain. This is represented in the myths of the god Oannes of Sumerian fame, or the Quinotaur who impregnated the mother of Merovee while she was bathing in the sea, and even the wife of the founder of the Angevins, Melusine, variously described as an aquatic fairy or a mermaid. So, there is this claim that there is a stronger and more virile reptilian strain in these bloodlines. Is that correct?
A: It may be.
Q: (L) Well, is that significant in any way?
A: For those obsessed with materialism.

Q: (L) Is the Osirian cycle the exemplification of the action of the Lizzies upon mankind in terms of the cutting up of Osiris' body as the breaking apart of the strands of DNA?
A: Close.
Q: (L) What was the Fruit of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that was supposedly eaten by Eve and then offered to Adam?
A: Knowledge restriction Encoding.

Q: (L) Could you describe to me the true meaning of the Osirian cycle. What was the symbology of the killing of Osiris and the cutting up of the body?
A: Removal of knowledge centers.
Q: (L) Knowledge centers in what?
A: Your DNA.
Q: (L) So, the breaking up of Osiris' body represents the breaking up of the DNA in our bodies?
A: Partly. Also means knowledge capacity reduction.
Q: (L) What was the symbology of the throwing of the phallus into the river and it's being eaten by three fishes?
A: Sexual violence energy introduction.
Q: (L) What did Isis searching for her lord Osiris symbolize?
A: Separation of female energy from male energy union.
Q: (L) Does this have anything to do with brain activity?
A: Yes. The separating of the hemispheres of the brain.
Q: (L) Was this achieved through DNA modification?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What did the son of Isis, Horus, represent?
A: New reality of limitation.
Q: (L) What is the meaning of Horus avenging himself upon Set, the murderer of his father, Osiris?
A: Beginning of perpetual conflict energy to limit humanity.
Q: (L) Who did Set represent?
A: War.
Q: (L) What war?
A: All.

Q: Does the act of learning and channelling actually change our genetics or DNA or some element around our being in some way that we are not even conscious of?
A: Steadily yes.

Q: (L) Well, then how did mankind come to be here?
A: Combination of factors. Numerous souls desired physical existence then was altered by three forces including principally Lizards through Grays, Nephalim and Orion union.
Q: (L) You said numerous souls desired physical existence. When the numerous souls did this, how did physical existence come to be?
A: First was apelike. Souls altered them by transfer of Souls into seeded bodies. Orion Union was first [to manipulate and produce] Neanderthal. Put humans there for incubation process.
Q: (L) Were genetically altered ape embryos put back into ape females for gestation?
A: No. Souls only.
Q: (L) They put the souls into the ape-like bodies and thereby produced Neanderthal man?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Did the soul's presence in the ape body cause its genetics and DNA to change?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, these souls entered into living creatures on this planet to experience 3rd density reality and by entering in caused mutation?
A: Yes. Then were altered by Orion Union first. They resemble you.
Q: (L) Who resembles us?
A: The Orions. Orion Union. There are others in Orion Community.
Q: (L) Are some of the Orions not good guys as we would term it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are some of them good guys?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, you are saying that the original creators or genetic engineers were Orions?
A: Close. The original engineers but not inhabitants.
Q: (L) Where did the souls come from that entered into the bodies on the planet earth? Were they in bodies on other planets before they came here?
A: Not this group.
Q: (L) Were they just floating around in the universe somewhere?
A: In union with the One. Have you heard the Super ancient legend of Lucifer, the Fallen Angel?
Q: (L) Who is Lucifer?
A: You. The human race.
Q: (L) Are the souls of individual humans the parts of a larger soul?
A: Yes. Close. The One. All who have fallen must learn "the hard way." You are members of a fragmented soul unit.
Q: (L) What is it about wanting to be physical is a "fall"?
A: Pleasure for the self.

Q: (L) Why am I having these current headaches?
A: Changes DNA

Q: (L) I want to ask what is the source of the pain L__, J__ and I have been experiencing identically for the past week or so?
A: DNA changes.
Q: (L) And what is the source of these DNA changes?
A: Moving to 4th density.

Q: (T) I've been saying that I have been at 100% depression for six or seven weeks now. (L) What is causing Terry's depression?
A: Change of DNA.
Q: (T) What brought about the change in DNA?
A: Moving toward 4th level of density reality.
Q: (L) Why does this always seem to cause pain, suffering or depression?
A: All level 1 changes do.
Q: (L) What are level 1 changes?
A: We use "level" designation to denote significance.
Q: (L) Is level 1 most significant?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) As the numbers go higher does the significance get lessened?
A: Close.
Q: (L) What is causing the pain in J__'s right shoulder since several of us have been having this exact same symptoms?
A: DNA changes.
Q: (L) Can Reiki be used to help alleviate the discomfort?
A: Not necessary or recommended in these cases.
Q: (L) Do we just have to suffer through this one?
A: Each "suffering" will be closely followed by dramatic life changes.

Q: (L) The other night when we were getting ready to sit down at the board, I had a sudden sharp pain in my left ear unlike anything I have ever had. It was three sharp jabs like powerful electrical shocks. What was that?
A: Electrical nerve surge.
Q: (L) What caused that?
A: DNA changing.
Q: (L) Well, A__ now has the ubiquitous pain in the shoulder. Is this because her DNA is changing?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) The other night we were talking about the "Mark of Cain" and I lost part of the tape. I would like to go back over that a little bit more at this time. What was the true event behind the story of the "Mark of Cain?"
A: Advent of jealousy.
Q: (L) What occurred to allow jealousy to enter into human interaction?
A: Lizard takeover of Earth.
Q: (L) Wasn't the Lizard takeover an event that occurred at the time of the fall of Eden?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Was this story of Cain and Abel part of that takeover?
A: Symbolism of story. The mark of Cain means the "jealousy factor" of change facilitated by Lizard takeover of earth's vibrational frequency. Knot on spine is physical residue of DNA restriction deliberately added by Lizards. See?
Q: (L) Okay, Jan is going to move her hand up my back and you tell her when to stop at the "knot".
A: Okay.
Q: (L) You mean the structures behind the occipital ridge?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What was the configuration of the spine and skull prior to this addition?
A: Spine had no ridge there. Jealousy emanates from there, you can even feel it.
Q: (L) Do any of these emotions that we have talked about that were generated by DNA breakdown, were any of these related to what Carl Sagan discusses when he talks about the "Reptilian Brain"?
A: In a roundabout way.
Q: (L) Okay, at the time this "Mark of Cain" came about, were there other humans on the planet that did not have this configuration?
A: It was added to all simultaneously.
Q: (L) How did they physically go about performing this act? What was the mechanism of this event, the nuts and bolts of it?
A: Are you ready? DNA core is as yet undiscovered enzyme relating to carbon. Light waves were used to cancel the first ten factors of DNA by burning them off. At that point, a number of physical changes took place including knot at top of spine. Each of these is equally reflected in the ethereal.
Q: (L) Well, the question I do have is, how many people were there on the planet and did they have to take each one and do this individually? How many people?
A: 6 billion.
Q: (T) That's 500 million more than there are now.
A: No, 200 million.
Q: (L) Okay, there were this many people on the planet, how did they effect this change on all of them?
A: Light wave alteration.
Q: (L) And light waves, actual light waves, affect DNA?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) What was the origin of the light waves?
A: Our center. Our realm. STO.
Q: (L) So, how did the Lizzies use the light from the Service to Others realm...
A: They used sophisticated technology to interrupt light frequency waves.

Q: (L) In conjunction with DNA changes, is there any similarity between the human race and the idea of transformation relating to populations such as grasshoppers into locusts?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) When grasshoppers turn into locusts, they swarm when their population gets too large.
A: All is part of natural cyclical process.
Q: (L) Was the DNA change that we are experiencing programed into us so that after so many generations these changes would just sort of kick in?
A: Close.
Q: (L) So, we all selected certain bodies before we incarnated that would be prime for this programming?
A: Are you ready to be hermaphrodites?
Q: (L) Is that what we are going to be?
A: Wait and see.

Q: (GB) Does meditation increase the DNA changing process?
A: Overall, if repetitive.

Q: (L) At one point we were told that time was an illusion that came into being at the "time" of the "Fall" in Eden, and this was said in such a way that I inferred that there were other illusions put into place at that time...
A: Time is an illusion that works for you because of your altered DNA state.
Q: (L) Okay, what other illusions?
A: Monotheism, the belief in one separate, all powerful entity.
Q: (T) Is separate the key word in regard to Monotheism?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What is another one of the illusions?
A: The need for physical aggrandizement.
Q: (L) The focus on the physical as the thing one needs to hold onto or protect. (L) What is another of the illusions?
A: Linear focus. Unidimensionality.
Q: (L) The veil... (J) The perception of only one dimension... (L) Were these illusions programmed into us genetically through our DNA?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Well, I don't know. Can you tell us a little bit about how these illusions are enforced on us, how they are perceived by us?
A: If someone opens a door, and behind it you see a pot of gold, do you worry whether there is a poisonous snake behind the door hidden from view, before you reach for the pot of gold?
Q: (L) What does the gold represent?
A: Temptation to limitation.
Q: (L) What does the door represent?
A: Opening for limitation. What is snake?
Q: (T) Who opened the door? (L) Who was the snake?
A: Lizards. Result of giving into temptation without caution, i.e. leaping before looking.
Q: (L) So what you are saying to us is that the story of the temptation in Eden was the story of Humankind being led into this reality as a result of being tempted. So, the eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was...
A: Giving into temptation. [But Tricks and] Traps don't exist.... Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged.
Q: (T) Now wait a minute. I am losing the whole train here... Was this after the battle that had transpired? In other words, were we, as a 3rd density race, literally on our own at that point, as opposed to before?
A: Was battle.
Q: (L) The battle was in us?
A: Through you.
Q: (T) The battle was through us as to whether we would walk through this doorway...
A: Close.
Q: (T) Okay, we were STO at that point. You have said before that on this density we have the choice of being STS or STO.
A: Oh Terry, the battle is always there, it's "when" you choose that counts!
Q: (T) Okay, so we are still looking at that pot of gold? This must tie into why the Lizards and other aliens keep telling people that they have given their consent for abduction and so forth. We were STO and now we are STS.
A: Yes, continue.
Q: (T) We are working with the analogy. The gold was an illusion. The gold was not what we perceived it to be. It was a temptation that was given to us as STO beings on 3rd density. The door was opened by the Lizards.
A: No temptation, it was always there. Remember Dorothy and the Ruby slippers?
Q: (T) Okay, we were STO at that time, before we stepped through. We didn't have to step through. (F) But, wait a minute now, they keep saying, correct me if I am wrong, every time Terry says: "They tried to get us through..." It was always there. (J) Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged. (T) They didn't do anything but open the door. The Lizards opened the door and let us decide whether we were going to go through or not. (J) I still think the key is that we obliged by stepping through the door... (T) By our stepping through this door that the Lizards conveniently provided for us without actually doing anything to us, just opening it and showing it to us...
A: Provided? ! ?
Q: (L) They didn't provide it... (J) It always existed... (T) It's always there.... (J) It's there now...
A: Yes, think of the Ruby slippers. What did Glenda tell Dorothy???
Q: (J) You can always go home. (L) You have always had the power to go home...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, we always have the power to return to being STO? Even in 3rd density?
A: Yes.

Q: (RC) Okay, I KNOW this from a variety of sources. I don't have to explain them all... all I want to know is why. And, I know that my DNA was interfered with and I want to know if that has been carried into my present body and is this being fixed?
A: Physical manifestations normally only carry over in spirit body, and are a discovery process for advancement. They are chosen by the soul during contemplation on 5th density.
Q: (RC) So, that means that what I have been through in this life physically, has been to bring me to the realization of what happened before?
A: Essentially.

A: Strobe lights are used for 3rd density mind control.
Q: (L) Strobe lights located where?
A: Not a question asked with much thought!
Q: (L) You are right. I was just trying to open the subject. (T) What does strobe lights used for mind control have to do with [anything]?
A: Just let it flow. As you will see, past sessions of this nature have yielded best results for you. We have picked up your thought waves, which are progress oriented, and are trying to assist you in your increased learning and progress frequency wave. You see, this increases the energy level!! It is advisable to ask questions, but be unconcerned with the nature or content of the answers beforehand.
Q: (L) Okay. You mentioned the strobe lights. Are these strobe lights that are used to control minds, are these something that we would or might come in contact with on a daily basis?
A: Do you not already know? We didn't say: some strobe lights, we said: strobe lights, i.e. all inclusive!
Q: (T) Strobe lights come in many forms and types. TV is a strobe light. Computer screens are a strobe light. Lightbulbs strobe. Flourescents strobe. Streetlights strobe.
A: Police cars, ambulances, firetrucks... How long has this been true? Have you noticed any changes lately??!!??
Q: (F) Twenty years ago there were no strobe lights on any of those vehicles mentioned. They had the old flasher type lights. Now, more and more and more there are strobe lights appearing in all kinds of places. (L) And now, they even have them on school buses! (T) And the regular city buses have them too, now. (L) Okay, is the strobing of a strobe light, set at a certain frequency in order to do certain things?
A: Hypnotic opener.
Q: (L) What is the purpose of the hypnotic opener being used in this way?
A: You don't notice the craft. Opener. Is precursor to suggestion, which is auditory in nature.
Q: (T) What suggestion?
A: Put on your thinking caps. Networking is not making assumptions.
Q: (T) Oh. Phrase your statements in the form of a question! I'd like "Hypnotic Openers" for $200, Alex! Cosmic Jeapordy! (L) Okay, you said the "suggestion is auditory in nature." If this is the case, where is the suggestion coming from auditorily?
A: Where do you normally receive auditory suggestions from?
Q: (L) Radio, television... (T) Telephone... (L) Is that what we are talking about?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) If you encounter a strobe while driving, or you are sitting in front of your television, then the suggestions can be put into you better because of this hypnotically opened state? Is that it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And these suggestions are designed to suggest that we NOT SEE things going on around us, like craft flying overhead?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Do we get these signals from the radio in the car even if it is turned off?
A: Depends upon whether or not there is another source. ELP, for example.
Q: (L) What is "ELP?"
A: Extremely Low Pulse.
Q: (T) ELF, Extremely Low Frequency, and ELP, Extremely Low Pulse - is this the same thing?
A: Sometimes.
Q: (T) This would be an external pulse or frequency?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Would it be originating from the source of the strobe?
A: No. They act in unison.
Q: (T) Two separate sources acting in unison?
A: Close.
Q: (L) And this process prevents us from seeing something, such as craft flying in our skies at any given time?
A: Or maybe see them as something else.
Q: (L) Now, we have to stop for a minute because I want to tell you something. In the past few months, I have really been watching the sky carefully every opportunity I get. On 3 or 4 separate occasions I have seen what I thought was an ordinary airplane, and I would watch it carefully and then scan to the left or right, and when I looked back at the place where this plane should be, based on observable speed and direction, there would be NOTHING there. I have stood there and searched and searched and found nothing. These things just VANISHED. I knew I had seen it, I knew I wasn't crazy, I knew it couldn't have gone away that completely - and having it happen several times has just really unsettled me. What are the implications of this, other than the fact that we could be completely overflown at all times for any number of purposes and be, as a mass of people, completely unaware of it?
A: Yes, monoatomic gold!
Q: (L) And what does the reference to monoatomic gold mean?
A: Total entrapment of the being, mind, body and soul. Strobes use minute gold filament.
Q: (L) How can that compare with taking monoatomic gold internally?
A: What composes minute filament, do you suppose? Hint, it ain't from Fort Knox!
Q: (T) Monoatomic gold.
A: Bingo. You see, this has extraordinary properties.
Q: (T) I'm sure it does! The thing is, if it does what David Hudson says it does, the power structure would have shut him down - he wouldn't have gotten this far with it. So, if they are letting him do it, it's because it doesn't do what he says it does, it does the opposite. When you take the stuff for so many days, you complete the program, it restructures your genes. Isn't that what happened to us before? Do we want to do it again? (L) And, wasn't it said that LIGHT was used to cancel certain DNA factors? (J) Exactly! (L) Okay, how do we block this kind of control?
A: You don't.

Q: (L) Okay, I have also been reading about cattle mutilations, that specific parts of the body are taken...
A: Rumen.
Q: (L) What is that?
A: Cattle part.
Q: (L) Why do they take an eyeball? What do they want only one eyeball?
A: Study soul pattern.
Q: (L) Can you study a soul pattern through an eyeball?
A: Like a tape recorder.
Q: (L) Why do they take part of a lip?
A: DNA library.
Q: (L) Well, how many eyes and DNA libraries do they need. This is happening a lot.
A: Some is copy cat by "secret government" to throw off researchers.

Q: (L) I have lately been verbally attacked by numerous individuals regarding the material...
A: And if this irritates you, it is because you allow it to.
Q: (L) Fine and dandy! And it is true, and I know it. Which is why I am beginning to think that I ought to simply do nothing, because maybe I am just too sensitive to do this kind of work.
A: And do you really believe that that is an unalterable condition? You cannot control others.
Q: (L) I don't want to control anyone. I just like for people to be nice to each other and, if they can't be, then I am just saying that the obvious thing is for me to simply withdraw into my own little world of reading and thinking and writing, and if nothing ever comes of any of it, it is utterly immaterial to me.
A: That is your choice, but not a wise one!!!
Q: (L) Well, you say that, but it is, as several people have pointed out to me, only since we have begun this channeling project that all these dreadful things have happened in my life. My life is a shambles!
A: "Dreadful is subjective."
Q: (L) I would say that the physical things that have happened to me, the collapse of my marriage, the things that have happened to my children, are pretty damn dreadful, subjectively or otherwise!
A: Before these changes began to manifest, you were deeper into the "deadly illusion" than you are now. Emergence is, by its very nature, uncomfortable. But, it has and will, empower you, we promise!!!!!!!!

[They were oh, so right! But I couldn't see it then. See: Amazing Grace.]

Q: (L) It is a very trying time now. I am having a difficult time just coping.
A: And there have been others, and will be others, but that does not mean that the rewards will be slight. You are on a path of destiny, and there is no turning back now.
Q: (S) What happened in specific? (L) Well, I was trying to explain some of the material to several people, and the end result was that they decided that, because we use a board for communication, clearly I was possessed and that the C's are evil deceivers because they teach that we have to figure things out ourselves in order to graduate to the next level. Even my soon-to-be-ex-husband. says this because the C's don't say they are gonna save us, or that Jesus "saves" or whatever...
A: Why does this bother you? It does not bother us. They can all decide that we are the "Queens of Satan," if they wish. It is free will.
Q: (L) I don't like the implied hardness... I am not a hard person.
A: It is not hardness. The "feelings" you describe are related to ego, and by relation, pride, two things that were deliberately implanted into the 3rd density human psyche by the 4th density STS 309,000 years ago, as you measure time. Refer to the transcripts with regard to DNA alteration and the occipital ridge. Believe it or not, you, Laura, will be rid of these, eventually. It is not what some individuals respond to you that matters. It is sharing the information that counts. Also, remember, these persons do not perceive your feelings and sensitivities as keenly as you do, nor do you perceive theirs, likewise. Third density beings will always perceive knowledge that is being given to them before they are ready to receive it as "preaching," and they resent this because of the very same ego related issues we discussed earlier. So, suggestion: better to frame knowledge transference with a preamble such as, "this is what was given to me, it is up to you to decide for yourself whether or not you are comfortable with accepting it, or not."

Q: (V) A few weeks ago several of us began to suffer from internal heat, insomnia, and other things. What was this?
A: Image. Deep conjunction of fibrous linkage in DNA structure. Bleedthrough, get used to those!
Q: (L) Does this mean we are actually experiencing a bleedthrough of 4th density?
A: Image.
Q: (V) Are the little flashes of light I see also a manifestation of this?
A: Maybe so, but try to concentrate on the ethereal significance, rather than the physical.
Q: (L) When you say "deep conjunction of fibrous linkage," does this mean that we are conjoining with a linkage to a 4th density body that is growing, developing?
A: Slowly, but surely. We have told you before that the upcoming "changes" relate to the spiritual and awareness factors rather than the much publicized physical. Symbolism is always a necessary tool in teaching. But, the trick is to read the hidden lessons represented by the symbology, not to get hung up on the literal meanings of the symbols!
Q: (L) You say that the symbology has to do with hidden meanings. The symbology that you used was "image" and "deep fibrous linkage" of DNA. Now, is that a physical, symbolic image?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What is your definition of "image?" We have many.
A: Learning is fun, Laura, as you have repeatedly found!
Q: (L) Well, I am so hot now that I really want to know! And, how come I am always the one who gets assigned the job of figuring everything out?
A: Because you have asked for the "power" to figure out the most important issues in all of reality. And, we have been assisting you in your empowerment.
Q: (L) Image. DNA linkage. Well, what they must mean is that you ARE it - you are transforming little by little and all of the unpleasant little side-effects are just part of it.
A: Yes.
Q: (V) Righteous! (L) Terry showed me a couple of acupuncture points that seem to induce an altered state. Is this, as he says, a way to open the door to the subconscious?
A: Stimulates endorphins.
Q: (L) Is there any point on the body that CAN be used to assist in opening the gate to the subconscious?
A: No such assistance is needed. First, we would like to suggest that you seek a "spin" doctor for your quest!!

[Notice the date of these remarks: 06-22-96. This was exactly 10 days before Ark wrote to me, and he is, indeed, a "spin doctor!" See Amazing Grace]

Q: (L) Would a "spin" doctor be a Sufi master?
A: One example.
Q: (L) Is 3rd density awareness the only density with perception of time?
A: No.
Q: (L) Well, what others?
A: 4,5,6,7.
Q: (L) But I thought that time perception was an illusion?
A: YOUR perception of it is an illusion. Remember the example of the dogs and cats riding in a car?
Q: (L) Yes. Ouspensky and the horse. So, time, as an essential thing, DOES exist?
A: But not as you know it. When we refer to "timelessness," we are speaking from the standpoint of your familiarity only.
Q: (L) Does time then exist, and does space have a limit?
A: You are getting confused because your inborn linear perception is clouding the image your efforts are trying to produce.
Q: (L) Okay, let's go back to the "balancing" of Earth. How can this be done? The "buckets of love and light" group say that it is going to be balanced because everyone is going to think nice thoughts, and all of their buckets of love and light are going to eventually reach a critical mass and spill over onto all the rest of humanity and all of the bad guys are going to be transformed into good guys. This is the standard version. Is this what you mean?
A: No.
Q: (L) Is the energy that is being manifested in the positive, on and around the planet, is it going to reduce the level of negativity in the beings existing on the planet?
A: This is not the point. When "Earth" becomes a 4th density realm, all the forces, both STS and STO shall be in direct contact with one another... It will be a "level playing field," thus, balanced.
Q: (L) One of the crop circles you interpreted was an "astronomical twin phenomenon." What is an astronomical twin phenomenon?
A: Many perfectly synchronous meanings.
Q: (L) Synchronicity is involved. Does this have something to do with the 4th density "image?"
A: Duplicity of, as in "Alice through the looking glass."
Q: (L) Double images. Does this relate to matter and antimatter?
A: Yes, and...
Q: (L) Gravity and manifestation of matter on one side and manifestation of a mirror image on the other...
A: Yes, and... Astronomical.
Q: (L) Okay, that relates to stars and planets... astronomical in terms of another universe, an alternate universe composed of antimatter?
A: Yes, and....
Q: (L) And is this alternate universe going to merge with our universe...
A: No.
Q: (L) Is this alternate universe of antimatter the point from which phenomena occur or are manifested in our universe?
A: More like doorway or "conduit."
Q: (L) Is this alternate universe the means by which we must travel to 4th density? Is it like a veil, or an abyss of some sort?
A: Think of it as the highway.
Q: (L) Is something going to happen in terms of interacting with this antimatter in order to bring about some sort of transition?
A: No. Realm Border is traveling wave.
Q: (L) Okay, you say "traveling wave," and then you say that antimatter is the highway. Does this mean moving through antimatter or interacting in some way with antimatter via the the impetus of the traveling wave, or realm border?
A: Bends space/time, this is where your unstable gravity waves can be utilized.
Q: (L) Utilizing antimatter by creating an EM field, which destabilizes the gravity wave, allows antimatter to unite with matter, creating a portal through which space/time can be bent, or traveled through via this "bending." In other words, producing an EM field, bringing in the antimatter, IS the bending of space/time? Is that it?
A: Yes.
Q: (V) Is there a portal for each person, or one large portal?
A: No. Portal is where you desire it to be. With proper technology you can create a portal where desired. There are unlimited options.
Q: (L) Proper technology. Unstable gravity waves. And once you told us to study Tesla coils.... antimatter... destabilizing the gravity waves through EM generation allows the antimatter to interact with matter which then creates a portal... is it in the antimatter universe that all this traveling back and forth is done by aliens when they abduct people?
A: Close. They transport through it, but most abductions take place in either 3rd or 4th density.
Q: (L) Is this movement through the antimatter universe, is this what people perceive in their abductions as the "wall of fire?" The coming apart. The demolecularizing?
A: No. That is TransDimensional Atomic Remolecularization.
Q: (L) Okay, if a person were passing into the antimatter universe, how would they perceive it?
A: They wouldn't.
Q: (L) Why?
A: No space; no time.
Q: (L) Antimatter universe has no space and no time... so, the antimatter universe is possibly where the poor guys of flight 19 are?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And you can get stuck in this place?
A: Yes. And if you are in a time warp coccoon, you are hyperconscious, i.e. you perceive "zero time" as if it were literally millions of years, that is if the cycle is connected or closed, as in "Philadelphia Experiment."

Q: (A) Are the extra-dimensions beyond those of space and time relevant?
A: What "extra dimensions?"
Q: (A) Is time multi-dimensional? If so, is it three- dimensional?
A: Not correct concept. Time is not a dimension. This is very complex from your standpoint, but let us just say that time is "selective," or "variable."

Q: (L) You said previously that time was 'selective and variable.' What, exactly, does this mean?
A: By "Selective", we mean simply to think of time as if it were like your jukebox. There are many selections there, you may play them as you choose. But you need not play them sequentially, unless that is all you know. The selections are always there, are they not?
Q: (L) Well, that is crazy! You can't just go around having things happening in random order?!
A: Random is in the eyes of the perceiver.
Q: (L) What is it that causes us to only be able to perceive time in a sequential way?
A: DNA restructuring, as in the handiwork of our friends, STS 4th density.
Q: (L) Is there any possibility of regaining or restructuring this DNA?
A: Was there, will be again. You wanna know all there is to know about time, quantum reality, etcetera? Then it is time for you, and especially Arkadiusz, to study all that you can about the "crop circles," and closely network with those studying them directly.
Q: (L) Why crop circles?
A: The answers to all the questions are, or will be there.
Q: (L) You once said that crop circles represented thoughts from 6th density. What does this mean?
A: We are compiling an almanac as well as a manual for the entire terran population there. The reason we are doing this, is that there are millions who want to know the answers on the eve of the Grand Cycle Transformation. However, there are precious few that have chosen to try this form of communication, thus opening up a conduit.
Q: (L) Well, how many people are going to be able to understand?
A: But it would not be in form with Prime Level 7 Directive to limit entirely the availability of supreme knowledge!!!
Q: (L) So you are trying to put the entire story out there for all the world to see?
A: Not "trying," we are, my dear.
Q: (L) Okay, crop circles are a language, so to speak. Are they in some way related to mathematics?
A: Mathematics is the one and only true universal language.

Q: (L) We know that you have said that time is an illusion in 3rd density reality - that it is the 3rd density illusion - and it is involved with our DNA, which determines how we perceive it. So, it is an illusion. Yet, somehow, this illusion converts at some point into a solid reality via some mode or operation. I would like to know, at what point it converts and how?
A: You are off base. Who said it converts?
Q: (L) Well, we perceive a damn solid reality! There is STUFF that if you kick it, it hurts!
A: That perception is part of the illusion.
Q: (L) But, that is obviously not the TOTAL illusion. What else is a part of this illusion? If our perception is part, then there must also be something there to be perceived, correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Okay, what is it that we are perceiving?
A: That which you are programmed to perceive.
Q: (L) Is not this perception, these things we perceive as outside ourselves, are they not substance of some sort? Are they not there in some form, even if we perceive them the way we do?
A: Of course, but what does this have to do with "time?"
Q: (L) I am getting to that! We perceive a world "out there." Trees, cars, trucks, houses, bricks, boards, blocks, people, dogs etc etc etc.
A: You left out backyard barbecues!
Q: [laughter] (L) Very funny! We perceive things out there. Of what are they composed?
A: Matter.
Q: (L) Of what is matter composed?
A: Atomic structure.
Q: (L) Of what are atoms composed?
A: Thoughts.
Q: (L) Whose thoughts?
A: Yours.
Q: (L) Everything?
A: Everything.
Q: (L) If I perceive something, and everything I perceive is composed of my thoughts, and V_ is perceiving, is everything her thoughts?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What is the difference between her thoughts and my thoughts?
A: That is what binds you. You see, it is merely a program.
Q: (L) Is it merely a program that we think we are separate individuals?
A: Not the point.
Q: (L) What is the point? What binds us together? Where does the program come from?
A: Where do your programs come from? We are asking about the programs in your computer.
Q: (L) In my computer? Different places. I get them and load them in. Are programs made - do they exist like 'thought centers' - and do we just load them in ourselves?
A: Why have you forgotten? 309,000...
Q: (L) Oh. You are talking about the "takeover" by 4th density STS. But, still, the point I am trying to get to is - yes we have DNA - but you can't reprogram DNA if there is not DNA there to begin with. If there is not something to load the program into. What is the substance of this reality that we exist in?
A: You just answered. You can't load it into something if there isn't something there to begin with.
Q: (L) Fine! What is this something that is there to begin with?
A: Your previous DNA structure.
Q: (L) Where did the previous DNA structure come from?
A: The previous program.
Q: (L) Where did that program come from? You once said that it was necessary to be on a planet that had a star that was getting ready to go supernova in order to molecularize physical bodies. What I want to know is: what is this process whereby thought becomes manifest as matter? Just a clue: how does thought become matter?
A: Bilaterally.
Q: (L) What do you mean by "bilaterally?"
A: Dual emergence.
Q: (L) Emergence into what and what?
A: Not "into what and what," but rather, "from what and to what."
Q: (L) What emerges from what?
A: The beginning emerges from the end, and vice versa.
Q: (L) And what is the beginning and what is the end?
A: Union with the One.
Q: (L) What is the One?
A: 7th density, i.e.: all that is, and is not.
Q: (L) Now, we have managed to dance around the whole thing, and I still do not know how matter comes to be or how time... How can I get where I want to go?
A: You have the basics.
Q: (L) Can you give me a couple more basics?
A: There are no more.
Q: (L) I once asked you if time was gravity?
A: Is a fence the ground?
Q: (L) Where does gravity emanate from?
A: Thought center.
Q: (L) You have mentioned thought centers of many occasions. Is there more than one?
A: All are one and all.
Q: (L) If you have a thought center, how do thought centers related to 7th density, the One?
A: Exactly!
Q: (L) Are thought centers 7th density?
A: All is 7th density.
Q: (L) I think you know where I am trying to go with this and I wish you would help me out just a little...
A: We are.
Q: (L) Okay. Time is an illusion. Wonderful! You have compared time to a fence...
A: No. We compared your allusion to ours.
Q: (L) Let's work with this allusion. Let us say that the ground is 7th density. How would we picture time in relation to this ground?
A: As the soil.
Q: (L) How do created beings get painted into this picture?
A: Time is your illusion.
Q: (L) Yet, on one other occasion, you said that time does exist at other densities, only that it is "selective," you can pick the time. Is that correct?
A: If you want to call it time, but it would not be the same, would it?
Q: (L) Okay. I am stumped. I can't go any further now.
Q: (A) What is the function of DNA, other than coding protein production?
A: Conductor of electricity. And, as you know, electrical energy can have nearly endless applications. Examples... radio waves, neurotransceiver for thought pattern programs facilitated through electromagnetic wave transmission, etc. Method used for creation and maintenance of program illusions, such as the perception of linear time as reality.
Q: (A) Which part of a human extends into 4th density?
A: That which is effected by pituitary gland.
Q: (L) And what is that?
A: Psychic.
Q: (A) Are there some particular DNA sequences that facilitate transmission between densities?
A: Addition of strands.
Q: (L) How do you get added strands?
A: You don't get, you receive.
Q: (L) Where are they received from?
A: Interaction with upcoming wave, if vibration is aligned.
Q: (L) How do you know if this is happening?
A: Psychophysiological changes manifest.
Q: (A) Is DNA acting as a superconductor?
A: Yes!!! But variably.
Q: (A) I would like to know if there is a separate field beyond electromagnetism and gravitation, something similar to the Sheldrake concept of a morphological field or morphogenetic field?
A: Yes, and it is very close to that. It is apparent that Sheldrake was "in tune," as are you, Arkadiusz. But you must have faith in your thoughts, as sometimes they are assisted.
Q: (A) When you speak of an upcoming wave, it is a wave of what?
A: Think of it as a wave of reflection from the beginning and end point.
Q: (A) But what vibrates? Energy? Aether?
A: Energy and aether are directly symbiotic.
Q: (A) And when it vibrates, then in which dimension?
A: The densities 3 and 4 transition junction.
Q: (A) If not in linear time, then in what?
A: Cyclical "time."
Q: (A) What measures the distance between one crest and another?
A: Ending/beginning of cycle.
Q: (A) Trying to understand the universe in terms of a triad: matter - geometry - information. Is it the right idea?
A: If one thinks of matter as "living" rather than "dead."
Q: (A) What is electricity?
A: In what sense?
Q: (A) What is elementary charge?
A: Elementary means basic construct, whether directly from the natural "state," or indirectly.
Q: (A) What type of entity?
A: Purely substantive, as in a binder.
Q: (A) A warp?
A: "Warp" is incomplete concept. Remember what we said about theory of relativity.

Q: Well... is there any activity a person could do to stimulate their DNA to become superconductive?
A: No need. You would like to find an activity to stimulate A__ to grow up faster?
Q: Of course not! She's just a BABY! She needs to have fun! Oh, I get it.

Q: (A) Why do you need a particular place in the universe to transmit from?
A: We transmit "through" the opening that is presented in the locator you represent as Cassiopaea, due to the strong radio pulses align from Cassiopaea, due to pulsar from neutron star 300 light years behind it, as seen from your locator. [Planchette spirals briefly] This facilitates a clear channel transmission from 6th density to 3rd density.
Q: (A) I would like to know how long it takes for the transmission to come from Cassiopaea to Earth.
A: "Zero" time.
Q: (A) 'Zero time...' You transmit, using what? Electromagnetics, gravity, or what?
A: Both. They are interconnected, or you could say "unified".
Q: (A) Zero time? Because of what? Because of... structure of space/time? Of warp?
A: Space and time are selective and flexible.
Q: (A) What is behind that? What is... what is the medium behind which the transmission goes?
A: If there were a medium, your puzzlement would be justified, but, there is not. You see, when one utilizes zero time, there is zero space as well.
Q: (J) If there is zero space, and zero time, why does it need to be fixed at a specific location here in 3rd density.
A: It does not, for "transmission purposes." The need for a specific locator, as expressed previously, as you perceive it, was due to vibrational frequencies helpful to your psychic awareness profile. What causes pulsars, Arkadiusz?
Q: (A) What causes pulsars? A good question... (L) Do you know? (A) Some nuclear reactions...
A: Neutron "stars."
Q: (A) A neutron star is a pulsar. The question is, what is so particular about neutron stars, because anything which is not understood...
A: Quantum physics...
Q: (T) The answer to what causes neutron stars is in quantum physics? Or, is to be found in quantum physics? Is that what they're saying? (A) Or it is known...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) OK, so, if you look up pulsars, it will tell you, I guess... (A) OK...
A: What was the key premise to your "Noah Syndrome"
Q: (L) The key premise? Transformation...
A: By what means, what causative factor.
Q: (L) Well, the causative factor was bodies of the solar system interacting and exchanging energies. The energies exchanged by the bodies of the solar system having a profound effect upon the life on any of those bodies, such as people on the planet Earth. The emanations of the sun, if the sun were to increase its radiation or its surface, a teeny tiny little bit, the Earth would be so charged with electricity, that... I mean, one solar flare, and everything goes haywire. If the sun oscillates inside, they measure oscillations in it; they have all different periods; what if it has a really major oscillation, like every 3,600 years or so? Because they've measured them in terms of minutes, days, months, years. You have the 11 year cycle, there's the 22 year cycle. There's a whole bunch of different cycles of oscillations in the sun, what if it has a really big one? And what if, when it does that, it pulses? And when it pulses, it, it so charges the solar system with electricity that all the bodies in the solar system just go haywire! That's the base premise of 'The Noah Syndrome.' (T) OK, folks, there you have it, the base premise of the 'Noah Syndrome' is that the sun pulses regularly.
A: A pulsar pulses at an extremely rapid rate.
Q: (T) It creates a frequency... (L) Well, everything's frequency...
A: Yes. Your planetary realm.
Q: (A) OK, there is something about pulsar, because it brings these pulses with a certain frequency. But, of course, it is not these pulses that are important for transmission, because the pulses take hundreds of years to get here. This we know. (L) But, the pulsar is the window... between densities. (A) Yes, but what is the pulsar that is so specific that it makes a window? Is it this frequency? Or, is it something else? Which physical phenomenon is responsible for making this window?
A: What is the nature of neutron stars, supernovae, "black holes," et cetera? All are the junction of matter/antimatter... the borderline between realities as you know them... material realms/etheric realms, density level junctures, realities. One can pass through these windows with ease; remember, the stars and planets are windows too.
Q: (L) And stars and planets were described as being giant atoms. Is an atom a window?
A: Yes.
Q: (A) Is a proton a window?
A: Yes.
Q: (A) OK, so it is. And it's massive, so let me ask. Is photon a window, too?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Is gravity something from the center of the window to a reflective opposite in the ethereal realm, rather than the attraction between objects in this material realm?
A: Gravity is the "binder" common to all imaginable existence. That is all you really need to know.
Q: (L) Okay, binder. Does gravity bind in the same way that weak hydrogen bonds bind the DNA strands?
A: No.
Q: OK, then, does gravity bind the way the phosphate bond binds the carbon atom?
A: These are material. The missing link for all you folks is that gravity is as much antimatter as matter!!
Q: (A) I this the concept that our space/time is the boundary of a domain? Is that correct picture?
A: Yes.
Q: (A) All right, Then, concerning this gravity, and the antimatter, is it a correct picture that there are two such domains; positive and negative one, and the gravity has something to do with the exchange between the positive and negative?
A: Gravity is the "fuel," or "life blood" of absolutely everything that exists!!!
Q: (A) What is the mathematical description, the correct mathematical description of that? (L) You want the formula? (A) Yes!! I want the formula!!!! [General laughter] No! I want the concept!
A: That is why you were placed where you were placed!
Q: (A) What does that mean? I'm placed here... for me, or for us? (T) Could you be more specific about that? [General laughter] Heck of a time to get cryptic here! I mean, we're rolling, now!
A: Would you not like to discover this formula?
Q: (L) Well, yes, we'd like to discover this formula; it would be a lot of fun. (A) Of course! Sure! (L) We could even break out a bottle of wine! (T) But, if they'd like to spell it out, that'd be OK, too!! [Laughter] I think that what they said is because what's going to happen is, you're going to get the formula. That's why you were placed where you were placed...
A: Ark wanted the first step, or guidance to a possible formula. It is a shame, but others in your "density" have already discovered this, but it is a deadly secret!!
Q: (T) What is the deadly secret?
A: The possible methods of utilization of technology springing forth from the formula.
Q: (A) So, you want us to discover, the secret, yes?
A: We want you to discover it for your own benefit.
Q: OK, Any clue?
A: No clue.
Q: (T) 'No clue.' Nicely worded, though!
A: When you learn, you grow. When you grow, you progress. When you progress, you transform.
[And the above statement seems to be the major element!]
Q: (L) GIVE ME THE FORMULA!!! [Laughter] (A) No, no, no. Let me try.
A: What do your instincts tell you?
Q: (A) Okay, my instincts tell me that I should sit down at a desk and compute, rather than sitting here... [laughs] (A) Yes, yes, that is clear. OK. Sure, do it yourself.
A: Sorry, but we want to see you discover.
Q: (A) OK, it would not be fun at all if I would be taught a formula... Anyhow, I would not believe... (L) Exactly, so you'd still have to prove it yourself, anyway... (A) Right! (L) So, what would be the point?!? (J) Where's the fun in that?
A: Exactly.


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