As I write 
        the Adventures With Cassiopaea Series 
        and its supplements, readers are busy sending their feedback and the Quantum 
        Future School continues to assess and analyze our observations for deeper 
        insight. This last process has brought us many advances in the "heating 
        of the crucible" of our experiences which, as the C's pointed out, 
        is of great benefit:   
       
        07-03-99 
          Q: (A) A related question concerning our internet activities which have 
          been going on for some time, and we do it because we feel that it is 
          necessary, but we don't really know or understand what is the real purpose 
          of what we are doing. Some people are reading our pages and writing 
          letters, and then they disappear or they are discouraged, or they do 
          nothing on their own. We are expending a lot of time on this publishing 
          of information, but without clear understanding of what we are supposed 
          to accomplish by this. (L) At this point, it is not accomplishing a 
          whole lot except drawing down fire on our heads! (A) Right!  
          A: You should rejoice! From the fire comes light. Patience pays. You 
          are on the right track. Fear not, have we steered you wrong a lot lately? 
           
       
      That's all 
        fine and good and easy for the C's to say; they aren't the ones taking 
        the heat! As the well-informed reader might expect, as a result of the 
        two previous articles on Rene Schwaller 
        de Lubicz, there have been serious ripples in the Matrix.  
       One reason 
        for this may be exactly what we reported: because Schwaller and others 
        of his ilk are the "inspiration" for the current "New Egyptology" 
        and Occult Uniformitarian Synarchy which is the underlying philosophy 
        behind most New Age Vacuum Cleaner operations being 
        propagated on the unsuspecting public at the present time. 
       We have 
        covered to some extent, the "teachings" of Schwaller, showing 
        their premise, and have compared this to the position of the Cassiopaeans 
        on similar subjects. We have further related these teachings to the problem 
        of Time Loops and the Atlantean Replay 
        Trap being set by hyperdimensional self-serving beings with what appear 
        to be plans to take over our planet and turn it into their own private 
        "energy farm," which does not include any beneficial plans for 
        humanity in general. Naturally, exposing these things inevitably leads 
        to either the appearance on the scene of new "agents" of the 
        Matrix, or the "reprogramming" and/or repositioning 
        of those agents already set up on the Game Board.  
       The Adventures 
        With Cassiopaea Series was begun as an effort to develop understanding 
        of the actions and motivations of the various "agents," because 
        it is only in the broader context that we can understand that there is 
        a "forest" and not just a couple of trees. It is also only in 
        this broader context that the full multi-millennial, hyperdimensional 
        nature of the "Game" can be seen. 
       Most of 
        the small potatoes "game pieces," such as Vincent Bridges, Jay 
        Weidner, and others of their ilk would swear to their dying day that they 
        are not "agents of the Matrix." And, as far as what they are 
        aware of, they are correct. They are pawns with no necessity - or even 
        capacity - to comprehend the significance of the game being played. They 
        are "reaction machines," with a "panel of buttons" 
        that get pushed or dials that get twisted via their environment or associations. 
        It would make as much sense to be angry at them as to be angry at a rabid 
        dog for having the disease and foaming at the mouth. 
       But such 
        people are often very much like the protagonist in the movie "Arlington 
        Road," where, because of their nature as "reaction machines," 
        they are subject to extreme manipulation by very clever puppet masters. 
        In the end, they only accomplish exactly what they think they are trying 
        to avoid - they take the bomb into the building. And in our reality, the 
        "terrorists" are hyperdimensional, and far more capable than 
        the gang of terrorists in Arlington Road. I highly recommend 
        this movie for insight into our problems in 3rd density.  
       As I was 
        finishing up the Schwaller de Lubicz articles, I received a "surprise" 
        package in the mail. A reader had sent me a little book entitled Darkness 
        Over Tibet. by a certain Theodore Illion. It was originally 
        published in English in 1937 and is about Illion's purported trip into 
        Tibet between 1934 and 1936. The name was an intriguing word clue since, 
        at one point in the past five years, I did a lot of studying on the subject 
        of Illion and Troy, including the related word studies.  
       I was curious 
        about the origins of this book and undertook to discover if it was just 
        another "Lobsang Rampa" type of thing. I could find no biographical 
        details about T. Illion, except for the fact that he used other pseudonyms 
        for other works, and that yes, the original book had been published in 
        German as Ratfelhaftes Tibet, in Hamburg, in 1936. I was 
        able to obtain a first edition from a bookseller in Amsterdam to establish 
        the provenance of the book, but I thought it was strange that I could 
        only find one listed with the many antiquarian book sellers I contacted. 
        The English Rider edition was brought out a year later. Establishing that 
        the book was published at this early date is one thing, discovering information 
        about the background of the author is another. There just doesn't seem 
        to be any.  
       I did read 
        several very unfavorable reviews of the book on amazon, most of 
        which were skeptical of the stories in the book itself. However, being 
        familiar with the most definitely verified travels and writings of Alexandra 
        David-Neel, I could see that these criticisms came from people who 
        were not very familiar with such work. Yet, I had to agree that the story 
        seemed to be somewhat "artificial," even if certain elements 
        of it struck me as being factual in that, if they had been made up, a 
        different and more satisfying resolution would have been given them.  
       I next checked 
        the chronology of events in terms of David-Neel's travels, and realized 
        that the Illion book was written precisely during the period when Alexandra 
        was ensconced in France, writing and lecturing widely. In fact, this book 
        came out immediately after she had returned from her long treks in Tibet 
        and had settled down for a period. That struck me as an interesting item. 
        I thought that it was possible that this T. Illion was a student of hers, 
        or even a nom de plume of either herself or her sidekick, Lama Yongden. 
        However, the fact that the book was written in German argues against it 
        being either David-Neel herself, or her companion. So, if there is any 
        connection, it would probably be a student or colleague. In any event, 
        there are several reasons for suspecting some sort of connection between 
        Illion and David-Neel.  
       One of T. 
        Illion's other pseudonyms is "Theodore Burang." The name "Burang" 
        seems to be a Tibetan "county." The name 'Theodor(e)' means 
        'lover of God'; 'Illion' is related to the ancient city "Ilium." 
        In 1863, Charles Maclaren wrote:  
        
        Ilium 
          was for a considerable period to the Heathen world, what Jerusalem is 
          now to the Christian, a 'sacred' city which attracted pilgrims by the 
          fame of its wars and its woes, and by the shadow of ancient sanctity 
          reposing upon it. Without abusing language, we may say that a voice 
          speaking from this hill, three thousand years ago sent its utterances 
          over the whole ancient world, as its echoes still reverberate over the 
          modern. [The Plain of Troy Described] 
       
      In Homer's 
        Iliad, the Achaeans were fighting against Trojans, and we have already 
        discussed some speculative possibilities about the Time Loop factor, Atlantis 
        vs. The "Athenians," being the original "Trojan War" 
        to which later wars were assimilated in the mythicization process discussed 
        in our book The Secret History of The World, and how it may 
        relate to the present day struggle between the forces of Darkness and 
        Light.  
      As if to 
        point in this direction, in a third book by Ms. David-Neel co-authored 
        by her Tibetan lama/monk/companion, Lama Yongden, makes reference to yet 
        another book by her: 
       "La 
        Vie surhumaine de Guesar de Ling (the Tibetan Iliad)". 
        The words in parentheses are hers." [The 
        Secret Oral Teachings in Tibetan Buddhist Sects. The quote 
        was from Note 7 at the bottom of page 114, City Lights, San Francisco, 
        1967.] 
      Another 
        interesting relation between the two books - David-Neel's and Illion's 
        - is the fact that both of them mention Padmasambhava as being the progenitor 
        of a "degenerate sect of Tantric Buddhism." David-Neel also writes about 
        the many Tibetan occultists, vulgar sorcerers, who only seek to acquire 
        magic powers - the primary subject of Darkness Over Tibet. 
      The introduction 
        to the currently available edition of Darkness Over Tibet 
        tells us that it is in the form of "classic travel writings of the 
        1930's. It is believed that Illion's accounts of Tibet were instrumental 
        in persuading the Nazi government of Germany to send yearly expeditions 
        into Tibet."  
       T. Illion 
        wrote in the preface to Darkness Over Tibet:  
        
        In my 
          book In Secret Tibet I have given an outline of my recent 
          journey to Tibet [...] After witnessing various marvels [...] I reached 
          the final stage of the journey in the most inaccessible part of the 
          country where live the genuine Tibetan hermits, who can read people's 
          thoughts and possess the strange power to maintain themselves young 
          almost indefinitely. 
       
      David-Neel 
        also writes about such, as well as those who achieve this state by the 
        "Dark method," telling us that this method seems to involve 
        the consumption of human flesh. She tells us: 
       
        There 
          exist, so [some anchorites belonging to the Dzogschen sect] said, certain 
          human beings who have attained such a height degree of spiritual perfection, 
          that the original material substance of their bodies has become transmuted 
          into a more subtle one which possesses special qualities. [...] A morsel 
          of their transformed flesh, when eaten, will produce a special kind 
          of ecstasy and bestow knowledge and supernormal powers upon the person 
          partaking of it. 
       
      David-Neel 
        describes for us the rituals of these "sacred feasts" in some 
        detail, and the feeling that one begins to get about the whole Tibetan 
        "spiritualism" is one of revulsion.  
      Nevertheless, 
        she confirms that there are mystics and hermits who are of the light, 
        though it seems that the vast majority of Tibetan mysticism is purely 
        and simply black magic and sorcery.  
      Getting 
        back to Illion, he writes about the rare, few and far between Wise men: 
       
        My talks 
          with these wise men, which are recorded in my earlier book, reflect 
          a certain degree of understanding of the vital problems of Life and 
          Death, spiritual crimes, Salvation and Eternity, and many of my readers 
          will have wondered how the author arrived at a degree of understanding 
          which made these spiritual contacts possible. 
        Let me 
          say, then, in this connection, that real understanding in spiritual 
          matters is the result of much bitter fighting, of suffering, spiritual 
          agony and soul passion. Life itself would have no meaning if there was 
          no fighting on all planes, if all was smooth and monotonous. Everything 
          fights in nature. Every plant fights to get more sunlight. Every animal 
          fights for food; the angels themselves fight. Constant struggle on all 
          planes to which it has access is the birthright of the creature. Woe 
          to him who wants to put himself on a level with the Creator and escape 
          fighting! [...] 
        On my 
          travels I have met some of the highest spiritual entities incarnated 
          in the flesh, and not only those working for the Creator but also 
          those working against him. 
        Even the 
          fires of hell have their mission. They destroy man if he is weak, but 
          if he is strong they purify by burning the dross away. [...] 
        Spirituality 
          actually is a very stormy ocean. The currents of life are interwoven, 
          and Good and Evil, Light and Shadow, are within a hairbreadth from each 
          other. [Illion, Darkness Over Tibet, 1937, Rider & 
          Co, London, Reprinted by Adventures Unlimited Press, 1991] 
       
      Since I 
        was so struck by the perspective of T. Illion which so closely coincided 
        with many things the C's had said, I decided to ask the C's about this 
        book, if it was a report of a real 3rd density travel experience, or not. 
        Their response was most interesting:  
        
        05-04-02 
          A: It is a disguise for conveying truths of a spiritual nature as well 
          as a depiction of 4th density realities. 
       
      At the same 
        time that I was considering the problem of this book, several members 
        of the Quantum Future School had the following exchange:  
        
        After 
          mulling over the Adventures stuff about the plausible lie, and happening 
          to receive an email that turned out to be an "urban legend", I was struck 
          by something... Laura had mentioned that when we *believe* a lie, we 
          end up "feeding" the creator of the lie. There seems to be a veritable 
          plethora of these urban legends, hoaxes, etc. going around the Internet, 
          and it makes me wonder if the reason for their creation is that each 
          time someone reads and believes these "plausible lies", it feeds the 
          person who created it...  
        There 
          are a lot of movies that try to "yank" a person's emotions, and if one 
          gives into the emotional manipulation -- effectively "believing" the 
          lie -- I've noticed that one tends to feel drained afterwards... Is 
          this something similar? When one becomes involved in the "lie", one 
          is effectively "believing" it, and thus "feeds" the creator of the lie 
          (which doesn't have to be 3D)? Does this seem right?  
       
      Another 
        member responded: 
       
         Really 
          good point, that believing in a lie feeds its creator. If true, then 
          here's another thought with frightening implications: one of the biggest 
          lies is linear time, and we know who created that for us...  
       
      Since I 
        had just finished reading Illion's book, and it was so a apropos, I wrote 
        the following: 
        
      This recent 
        Illion book addresses this subject in a certain way that really struck 
        me. In the following, Illion is having a conversation with a young brigand, 
        a temporary traveling companion:
        It seems 
        that Tibet has a lot of monasteries and the interest in religion is very 
        intense there. Illion points out that there are festivals celebrated throughout 
        the year at the various monasteries, attracting many pilgrims. He mentions 
        that:   
       
        [O]n those 
          occasions a gay and cheerful atmosphere reigns supreme, in strange contrast 
          to the teaching of the Buddhists, asserting that all life is inherently 
          bad and that escaping from the wheel of rebirths and all forms of material 
          existence is the supreme goal of the Buddhists. 
       
      Illion learns 
        that, not far from where he is studying various meditation exercises, 
        there is a monastery where a famous oracle was going to visit and do his 
        thing in public. Illion is very interested in witnessing this spectacle 
        and travels to this nearby monastery where the pilgrims are pouring in 
        for the big event. Additionally, a religious play was going to be presented 
        by the lamas of the monastery. 
      The description 
        of the demons "riding the oracle" is pretty interesting, but 
        what is even more curious is that after his "event," he is handed 
        a big sword, about 25 pounds of substantial steel, that he grasps in his 
        bare hands and "folds" it as though it were made of soft wax. 
        Shades of Yuri Geller! (Keep in mind that this account was written in 
        1936.) 
      The crowd 
        in the monastery went into a sort of frenzy upon witnessing this miraculous 
        metal-bending event. Illion comments: 
      Crowds easily 
        fuse into one "group soul," and then the individual no longer 
        behaves as he would behave individually. Crowds really are not the sum 
        total of all the individualities present. They seem to be a suddenly formed 
        new entity actuated by a kind of "group soul." It is man sinking 
        back temporarily into the "group consciousness" from which civilized 
        man is just about to emerge. I think only the greatest of the great 
        [are] fully and definitely individualized and beyond the possibility of 
        lapsing back temporarily into group consciousness. 
      We of course 
        wonder just what is going on when Yuri demonstrates his ability and people 
        all over the world are able to bend metal as well during such exercises. 
      The "police 
        lamas" came out to beat the crowd into line, and during the lamas' 
        crowd control activities, Illion meets a young girl with whom he has a 
        conversation. Because Illion comes across to her as so knowledgeable on 
        spiritual subjects, she inadvertently drops a hint about her own teacher 
        and the existence of a "Hidden City." Illion is very intrigued. 
        At this point, the conversation diverts to Illion's lack of fear evidenced 
        by the fact that he is traveling alone and sleeps in the open without 
        worrying about bandits or wild animals. The exchange that followed is 
        s is another fascinating tidbit: 
      "Are 
        you never attacked by animals?" 
      "Seldom, 
        " I answered. "The animals which are on the rising branch 
        of life are very kind to me. I do not think even a lion would attack 
        me, although I never met one. I have had very pleasant experiences, though, 
        with bears and some other so-called wild animals." 
      "I 
        heard a story about a bear," said Dolma. "I will tell it to 
        you. Perhaps you will be able to tell me whether such a thing can happen... 
        A man who often broke the law which prohibits hunting had obtained a white 
        man's death stick in the Lhasa district, and when he returned to his province 
        he went out bear-hunting. He had shot several bears, but one day, just 
        while he followed the track of an animal, a strong bear suddenly appeared 
        just behind his back... [...] The hunter was so afraid when he saw the 
        big bear just behind his back that he dropped his gun and stared aghast 
        at the animal, who could have crushed him in a couple of seconds. [...] 
        The bear looked at the frail creature who stood tremblingly before him, 
        his gun lying at his feet, and calmly walked away." 
      "I 
        can believe that, " I said, "for bears have a soul, although 
        they are only at times individualized. By the way, it is easy to say whether 
        the hunter in the story had a soul or not." 
      "How?" 
      "If 
        the hunter had a soul, it was impossible for him to take up the gun to 
        shoot after the bear. If he was soulless, he would have done so at once." 
      "Are 
        there soulless animals too?" 
      "Oh 
        yes. The animals on the descending branch of life are soulless. [...] 
        Ravens, rats, mice - vermin, for instance." 
      "They 
        behave like a soulless man?" 
      "Yes." 
      "Did 
        these entities inhabit men before?" 
      "Perhaps, 
        many thousand years ago. When they lost their soul they began to move 
        downward." 
      "It 
        is very strange. When I visited India I heard so much about progressive 
        evolution - that life always passed upward, that the souls in minerals 
        became souls in plants, then in animals, and after this in man, and that 
        man finally must become an angel and that all this is only a question 
        of time." 
      "Life 
        would have no meaning if there was no alternative between light and darkness," 
        I said. "There are two currents of life. One is moving upward and 
        the other downward. The moment one loses one's soul one is precipitated 
        into the downward current." 
      "How 
        can one lose one's soul?" 
      "By 
        sinning against one's soul." 
      "By 
        a sensual life?" 
      "Oh 
        no, in most cases that is a sin against one's body. You may suffer for 
        it in this life or in some future incarnation." 
      "By 
        treating other's badly, then?" 
      "No, 
        as a rule, even this is no sin against your soul. You will get your punishment 
        for treating others badly in this or some future incarnation, although 
        wanton cruelty to defenceless creatures, ratlike ingratitude, or an innate 
        tendency to spy on others already reveal a certain degree of soullessness 
        which may be due to sins committed against one's soul in former incarnations." 
      "Well, 
        then, what is a sin against one's soul?" 
      "Using 
        spiritual things for selfish purposes. Dragging God down to earth. Trying 
        to put oneself on a level with the Creator." 
      "Then 
        many of us here sin like that!" 
      "Yes, 
        but also people in other countries." 
       Illion 
        brings this subject up a number of times and it certainly defines the 
        "bottom line" of the STS reality of "wishful thinking." 
        To tell lies and live in an illusion is, effectively, "using God 
        for selfish purposes." He says that each such act of this chips away 
        at one's free will, one's soul, etc. This sort of makes it important to 
        really do research and check things out. Our recent experiences with Vincent Bridges certainly suggest that there are people who have lied so much 
        and so long - maybe for many lifetimes - that they have very little, if 
        any, soul left.  
      Another 
        discussion group member then wrote: 
       
        This was 
          a wonderful story, and I agree. Psychopaths seem to fit the profile 
          of one whose soul is slowly shrinking into the abyss. A question popped 
          into my mind as I read the above story. If an STS oriented being continues 
          along the path of STS, resulting in its soul slowly fragmenting and 
          ultimately dissolving, at what general stage would that leave the souls 
          of 4D STS/Lizzies et. al.? I mean, if we see that some humans here, 
          still on 3D, have developed to the stage where they would appear to 
          be practically soulless (psychopaths, f.ex..), what amount of soul might 
          be left in a 4D Lizzie? I recall reading that Lizzies do have souls 
          (while greys do not, unless a Lizzie projects its own soul into it. 
          Correct?), but my guess is that those souls must be contracting. Frankly, 
          I'm surprised they still do possess souls at all.  
        And re: 
          psychopaths, the thought occurred to me that these folks seem to be 
          Lizzies in human clothing, so to speak. Is it possible that Lizzies 
          could be projecting their souls into these people, making them psychopaths? 
          That they are not truly human at all, simply Lizzies in human bodies? 
          (This, rather than the thought that they are truly human, with human 
          souls [albeit pure STS], but that the Lizzies have manipulated their 
          DNA to make them the way they are.) And that this is perhaps an experiment 
          for them to see what will happen when they project themselves into different 
          bodies? I believe I read that this soul projection scenario might be 
          part of the plan with regards to the "Master Race" that they are supposedly 
          creating, but maybe I'm wrong here. 
       
      Still another 
        member wrote: 
       
        Wow! Great 
          story! All this stuff is starting to actually make sense... ;-) I guess 
          it sometimes seems we have to "experience" stuff ourselves to understand 
          things... Or at least use the understanding of the *possibility* of 
          something to try to find where something *has* occurred in our experiences... 
          This is where I really appreciate all your writings, Laura -- they help 
          in that search!  
       
      The discussion 
        about the "disintegration" of the soul that might result from 
        believing lies led to even further speculations on the part of the QFS. 
        Another member wrote:  
        
        Gurdjieff 
          wrote something that always troubled me - that we are born without souls 
          and that each of us needs to do our 'work' to create one. I've rationalized 
          this to where I can think that there might not be *personal* soul, but 
          that each of us would, at the least, be part of 'species' soul, or even 
          part of the soul of organic life on earth. This thinking allows me a 
          little more comfort in a soul-less world. Maybe it's just a buffer and 
          I'm avoiding the real 'terror of the situation'.  
        The question 
          of soul, and of spirit, has been lurking about in my life of late, and 
          I recently posted the following to another group. I'll put it out here 
          as well since it attempts to address the difference between soul and 
          spirit.  
        I asked 
          a list-member about magnetic center because I had been under the impression 
          that it was at least partly essence and he had written that it is mechanical. 
          I read and re-read the section in Ouspensky's 'The Fourth Way' and, 
          to my consternation, found that O. did, indeed, say that it was mechanical. 
          *But* he did not say that it was strictly personality and this led me 
          into some interesting areas.  
        On page 
          84, Ouspensky says: "And the faculty that helps man to understand and 
          discriminate is the magnetic center." On page 85: "If a man notices 
          them and studies them ('B' influences), they may accumulate in him. 
          The memory of these interests may begin to collect in him from a very 
          early age and form a certain group of 'I's' out of the many 'I's' in 
          him." Same page: "It is a combination of what we are born with and outside 
          circumstances that makes us what we are; it is all mechanical, all under 
          the law of accident."  
        That last 
          line was the kicker for me; "..all under the law of accident."  
        A couple 
          of years ago, I realized that in the Ray of Creation both the descending 
          *and ascending* rays must be equally mechanical - the boomerang *must* 
          come back. But I hadn't realized that the same could be said for essence, 
          at least to a degree. Things like 'heavenly influences' could be taken 
          as mechanical, for example, and our genetic make-up, as well. This was 
          something of a shock for me - I'd been painting a picture of essence 
          that wasn't far from the 'inner child' sort of thing - as much as I 
          dislike that expression. So to discover that simply grasping on to the 
          essence was not in and of itself all that meaningful was a little surprising, 
          even disconcerting.  
        The next 
          thread in the braid came from 'Meetings With Remarkable Men', in the 
          'Professor Skridlov' chapter (page 243, my edition). Gurdjieff writes: 
          "I shall place them (Father Giovanni's 'remarkable thoughts'), as relating 
          to the question of the soul, that is, the third independently formed 
          part of the common presence of a man, in the chapter entitled 'The divine 
          body of man, and its needs and possible manifestations according to 
          law', but only in the third series of my writings, as complementary 
          to two chapters of the same series which I have already decided and 
          promised to devote - one to the words of the venerable Persian dervish 
          concerning the body, that is, the first independently formed part in 
          the common presence of a man, and the other to the elucidations of the 
          old *ez-ezounavouran* concerning the second independently formed part 
          of a man, namely, his spirit."  
        Here is 
          the differentiation between spirit and soul - they are respectively 
          the second and third bodies of man.  
        That led 
          me to ISOM ('Fragments') and the chart on page 41 that describes the 
          second body as: 'Natural' body; "Horse" (feelings, desires); Astral 
          body. In the MWRM quote, G seems to be saying that this second body, 
          the Astral body, is Spirit, and in ISOM connects it to emotional center. 
           
        Tonight 
          I was at a Gurdjieff reading and somebody asked: "What's the difference 
          between 'Soul' and 'Spirit'?" I brought 'magnetic center' into it because 
          it seemed to apply, and the ensuing dialogue brought me to the thought 
          that 'Essence' and 'Spirit' are one and the same thing.  
        This thought 
          answers what for me has always been a troubling idea - that people are 
          born without souls, that Soul has to be developed.  
        Essence 
          becomes far more than the 'inner child', it becomes the animation of 
          the physical body, its elan vitale. This can still be very much mechanical 
          and still governed only by the soul of organic life on Earth or species 
          soul, but it can explain auras and Don Juan's 'luminous egg' as purely 
          mechanical manifestations possessed by everybody.  
        Thus magnetic 
          center, though mechanical, can utilize the power derived from the emotional 
          center (in this case, a yearning or desire for knowledge) to lead a 
          seeker towards something that is real. Gurdjieff and others have said 
          that the emotional center was the key to our understanding and our being, 
          so connecting essence, spirit and magnetic center to it seems to 'prove 
          the possibilities'. I somehow feel that I've rambled here and failed 
          to get across the momentum that this idea has for me (tonight), but 
          at least it's 'down on paper' now. Take it out for a couple of laps 
          and see what you think. [Al] 
       
      Next, in 
        response to the comments about Gurdjieff, the following exchange took 
        place between two discussion group members:  
        
         K 
          wrote: Let's see. My understanding is that we humans were all part 
          of one large STO soul entity to begin with (The C's keep saying that 
          they are "us in the future", and the past, etc.  
        TJ 
          wrote: What if our connection to that unified soul entity or to 
          source is what Gurdjieff meant as "having a "soul"? There are connecting 
          threads from us to the "self serving" aspect as well as to 
          the "other serving" aspect [Thought centers] . Different densities 
          are just a designation of how developed the coat of awareness [of a] 
          being is, and how close [or "thick"] the connecting threads 
          comprising the coat are to source. Is it direct or do we connect to 
          another being which connect to another then to source? STO/STS designates 
          what aspect of the source we are connected to. 
        As we 
          get higher up in density the thread connection is so much stronger and 
          "distance" is shorter. This is why we know more and in turn 
          require more energy for existence. Big Bang is when all the connecting 
          threads goes directly to source, or rather a big ball of energy thread 
          which begins to unravel. In a sense when Gurdjieff says we have no soul 
          it means we do not have a direct connection to source. Our connection 
          is only through beings at higher levels than us. [This is why it is 
          important as to which "thought" we align with.] 
        K wrote: 
          This discussion does now bring another question to my mind actually. 
          Namely, if we did, in fact, start out as rocks or minerals or whatever 
          on 1D, what happened between our existence in 1D and the time when we 
          were all part of this larger/higher soul that we then fragmented from 
          and left to go down to Eden? Or do I have my progression of events mixed 
          up in my mind here? 
        TJ 
          wrote: I imagine it like this: As we learn and master the essence 
          of what we are we gain spirit not soul. We have the essence or spirit 
          of rocks, plants etc. Hence we get closer to source by what Don Juan 
          called "growing a coat of awareness." Once we have a complete 
          coat in our level we move on to the next.  
        The mineral 
          is connected via these threads to the plant the mineral doesn't own 
          a coat, through the thread it has a connection to, and is subject to 
          the influence of the plant. Basically the plant feeds on it. The mineral 
          is not too aware of the plant. It will continue to exist in mineral 
          until it learns the mechanical laws that govern mineralness, it grows 
          it's essence. The animal feeds on the plant and so there is an energy 
          thread connection also. It has more essence than the plant and mineral 
          or rather it has the entire mineral and plant essence and is in the 
          process of growing its coat of animal essence/awareness.  
        We feed 
          on the animal and so take in the essence of animal, plant and mineral. 
          Ours, animal and plant and mineral's existence is one of increasing 
          accident in the order stated. And while we are a less prone to accident 
          than the animal we have complete souls just thicker coats of awareness 
          because we in turn feed something else. We are subject to the whims 
          of that something else. Until we learn the lesson of what we are by 
          growing our coat of awareness, the essence of what we are, we will remain 
          soulless accident prone things. 
        K wrote: 
          I was actually also curious as to whether anyone had any thoughts about 
          4D STS souls. What are their souls like?  
        TJ 
          wrote: I imagine 4d souls as also incomplete souls because it doesn't 
          have the awareness of a unified soul group. It still feeds on something 
          else to exist. I imagine there is a point where if the soul continues 
          to take in essences and energy without giving, or only giving 
          so that it can get more energy (STS), it reaches a critical [negative] 
          mass at which point there is implosion and as the Cs say regeneration 
          as primal atoms. 4D has enough coats of awareness to be variably physical 
          because there is so much energy and less density. 6D which is so much 
          closer to source comprise so many coats of awareness it is a pure energy 
          state. It is unified but has to wait until all other beings gain the 
          same amount of awareness so they are all touching, all connected directly 
          and not through something else. This would form one complete something 
          I call source but some call god  
        K wrote: 
          Well, first of all, I have a hard time thinking that very much happens 
          by "accident" since there seems to be a purpose to absolutely everything 
          (lessons), even if that lesson is not immediately discernible to us. 
           
        TJ 
          wrote: It is accident because we do not understand the laws that 
          govern what happens to us in our 3D existence. It is based on the whim 
          of 4D critters. That is why we are in this density. It is less accidental 
          than say plant or animal it is still accidental and mechanical. I guess 
          to Gurdjieff, until we are directly connected to source we are soulless 
       
      Actually, 
        at one point, questions relating to the idea of "evolving" through 
        the densities as opposed to "falling into" matter were asked: 
       
        06-24-00 
          Q: (L) [...] A reader writes: "Laura, I commend you on your vision, 
          fortitude, courage... I have read most of the material with great interest. 
          It feels right, but I have a couple of questions: I can't reconcile 
          the idea of our being trapped or lured (by sensuality) into a physical 
          state with the idea that we have progressed through the vegetative and 
          animal states." This is a good question. It seems that the energy of 
          creation has progressed through the vegetative and animal states, that 
          animals can graduate to third density and become human, just as humans 
          can graduate to 4th density. How do we reconcile this with the idea 
          that human souls were entrapped into third density bodies from 4th density, 
          by the Lizards? Are we talking about two different functions? Two different 
          groups?  
          A: Humans were not entrapped by the "Lizards."  
          Q: (B) We volunteered! (L) Well, they did say that the Lizards were 
          waiting for the right soul matrix to "step in." So, we were the right 
          soul matrix and we stepped into these engineered bodies that the Lizards 
          created. That's what you said. So, how do we reconcile us stepping into 
          these engineered third density bodies with soul evolution through the 
          vegetative and animal states?  
          A: If you look more closely at the material, it was not stated that 
          the consciousness levels currently represented by humans and many others 
          "stepped into" anything in particular but PHYSICALITY. 
          Q: (F) Perhaps individual consciousness units have stepped into different 
          physical forms. Some may have "stepped" in as humans right off the bat, 
          and some may have done otherwise.  
        (B) You 
          can't get hung up on any kind of evolutionary system. It's just an ongoing 
          and concurrent thing..  
        (F) It 
          is simply that WE chose to experience physicality in many forms, maybe 
          simultaneous rather than in a linear progression, but since we perceive 
          time the way we do, it seems that it is a progression. We could be all 
          kinds of things in other realities.  
        (L) So 
          that relates back to the idea of "simultaneous disbursement?" Half of 
          The All chose to "fall asleep" as matter, and other "units" or groups 
          chose to interact with matter by "informing" it with life of all different 
          varieties, more or less simultaneously? So we can have souls that are 
          slow accretions out of matter over the long wave cycle, moving through 
          the densities over aeons, and souls that thought they would speed things 
          up a bit by a different method of entering directly into bodies and 
          changing them. Well, that seems like a sort of "right off the bat" violation 
          of the free will of the energies of such bodies and their emerging consciousnesses 
          in the long wave cycle. That right there is STS even if it was not realized 
          as such at the time. And such an act could have some tremendous implications 
          in terms of what you have called a "desire based imbalance." It takes 
          us back to the story of the Prodigal Son. So we have a very complex 
          idea of souls and their evolution in more than one mode.  
          A: Yes.  
          Q: (L) And in the end, it is a timeless mass division and disbursement 
          that was, is and will be?  
          A: Yes.  
       
      The above 
        suggests to us that there is both a "rising branch of life," 
        and a "descending branch of life," and any number of combinations 
        and variations thereof.  
       
       
      
        
       
      
         
        
       
        
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