Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

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Siberia said:
Lumiere_du_Code said:
axj said:
He seems to be more of a political clown at times, but as many people have noted, his often "outrageous" predictions come true with surprising regularity.

Yes, really, he's a kind of role does the speaker of the ideas that the Russian government is afraid or unwilling to articulate, and Zhirinovsky throws it to the masses, and the government is looking at the public reaction. if the reaction is positive - they often claim it later. Zhirinovsky produces steam

Yes, I also have this feeling about his role sometimes. :D

Yep, this observation seem even more accurate, when we consider that in the past "jesters" were allowed to say really outrageous things without any repercussions.

As for the government or Putin looking for the public reaction, recently there was a big event in Yalta, Cremea, where many of the Russian politicians spoke, and then Putin gave his comments. Zhirinovsky also spoke, and afterwards Putin laughed and said that "since we are being recorded and it's also live, I have to say that everything Zhirivonsky said was his own personal opinion. And it's not always matches the official stance of the Russian Federation. But he certainly knows how to groove beautifully!"

Here's the video in Russian:


https://youtu.be/MVWjMVvX8ic

Also remember what he said about Obama recently:
http://www.sott.net/article/284279-Obama-you-are-not-worthy-Veteran-Russian-nationalist-demands-Obama-be-stripped-of-Nobel-Peace-Prize
 
Well he certainly has a colourful background _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Zhirinovsky

He is a political clown if wiki is half-way accurate, and makes some horribly provocative statements, but Putin seems to be able to make good use of his pot-stirring. But unless he's really playing a role, he shouldn't be allowed into office. Kinda like a lot of US politicians.
 
A section of what the Ukraine Vladimir Ruban, POW negotiator, said and a section of what Reuters report, along with an excerpt from what a Russian journalist wrote about his impression on the border.
First from the interview of Ekaterina Sergatskova with general Vladimir Ruban
http://www.sott.net/article/284347-Candid-interview-with-Ukrainian-general-and-hostage-negotiator-Vladimir-Ruban-The-Militia-are-exactly-the-same-Ukrainians said:
GR: What does Russia have to do with it?

UP: You believe Russia is not involved in this conflict?

GR: Did you see any Russian troops there?

UP: I saw militants there from Russia.

GR: Have you seen any involvement of Russian troops?

UP: Officially - no.

GR: You will also not see them unofficially - because they are not there. If you have seen someone who is Russian, or military, this does not imply Russian involvement.

UP: Then what should it be called?

GR: Whatever you like. You know that mercenaries are fighting on both sides?

UP: Yes.

GR: On both sides. As on the Ukrainian, so on the Lugansk and Donetsk sides. Well, what would you call it, considering that Poland and Sweden are fighting alongside us?

There is a bad joke: "The USA will fight Russia until the last Ukrainian". That is more how it is. But this is geopolitics, and should be discussed in a very different place. National Security experts can talk about it.

We work directly in the field and, using this knowledge and experience, call a spade a spade. If there is a supply of Russian weapons, that is one thing. What kind of person delivers these weapons? Putin may forbid it; that is another matter. If there are Russian officers there, that is also another question. But it is not Russian involvement.

UP: Then what is it called?

GR: Were you there?

UP: That is what I have been doing these last six months.

GR: And, what, everyone is a Russian officer? Everyone is a Chechen?

UP: No, not all, but the backbone is. People who guide the process are.

GR: Are you being serious? With Ukrainian passports?

UP: Quite a few with Russian passports.

GR: The term is "advisers."

UP: Instructors.

GR: Even in the Soviet Union, we went to other countries as "miners, to exchange experiences" - we were military advisers. Similarly, there are advisers and experts from different countries. Not because the country sends them, but, because the people ask for their help.

Imagine, we are creating a little gang, but we need an expert, and we invite some kind of bandit so we can be advised on what to do and how.

UP: But the people who instruct in what to do and how are all from Russia. How can we say that this process is internal if it is controlled from the outside?

GR: You say that, if that's how you wish to see it.

UP: No, I'm trying to understand.

GR: Then understand. I told you my opinion. All the issues are resolved within the Ukraine. Either side could have won this war eight times already.
Next an excerpt from Reuters written by Thomas Grove and Maria Tsvetkova
_http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/12/us-ukraine-crisis-russians-special-repor-idUSKBN0H70S920140912 said:
SERVING IN UKRAINE

Officially there have been no Russian soldiers in Ukraine. But Kiev maintains that Russian troops have in the past few weeks helped separatists reverse the tide of the conflict, pushing Ukrainian forces back from the Russian border and allowing the separatists access to the sea.

And Reuters was able to find people who know of hundreds of soldiers injured in Ukraine, or whose relatives are fighting in Ukraine, building up the most comprehensive picture yet of Russian battlefield casualties in the country.

A military doctor told Reuters that hundreds of Russian soldiers injured in fighting in eastern Ukraine are now in military hospitals in the regions of Moscow, St. Petersburg and Rostov, which borders Ukraine.

"Generally they bring (the injured) to Rostov and to Moscow," he said.

Sergei Kozlov, an IT specialist in Moscow, says his nephew Nikolai, a paratrooper based in Ulianovsk, was sent to Ukraine on Aug. 24. He was hit by a shell after he crossed the border, Sergei Kozlov said, and lost his leg.

"He was operated on in Rostov Province and then was brought to Moscow because there was no more room there. But even now there is no room in Moscow hospitals or in St. Petersburg because they're all filled with people injured in Ukraine," Sergei Kozlov said by phone. Nikolai, who Sergei said is still in hospital, could not be reached.

A cab driver in Moscow who gave his name as Vitaly said his son was also sent to Ukraine. He has a picture on his dashboard of the 20-year-old boy smiling atop an armored personnel carrier.

Vitaly says he is furious that his son – a paratrooper based in Pskov near Estonia - has been sent to Ukraine to fight for the rebels.

"They sent him there illegally to fight for the rebels two weeks ago. He says he'll be back on Nov. 20. I'm counting the days," he said.

Vitaly says officers tried to force his son - serving mandatory military service - to change his status to a contract soldier, which would legally allow him to serve abroad. Conscripts in Russia are exempt from foreign service.

His son refused to sign, but officers sent him to Ukraine anyway.

"They dressed him up like a rebel so no one would know he was a Russian soldier and off he went," said Vitaly.

Rolan, the serviceman who fought alongside Tumanov in Snizhnye, says he spent 10 days fighting in Ukraine in the middle of August. Back home in the Krasnodar region, he said his commanders offered soldiers the option to go to Ukraine. The men could refuse, but the commanders were very supportive of those who agreed. Rolan went, he said, because of his military oath and to protect Russian-speakers from Ukrainian forces, routinely referred to as fascists, in Russia. His unit put him on paid leave to make the trip.

"(I wanted) to push neo-Nazis and pure fascists deep into the country or eliminate them and to free Russian-speaking population of this evil," he said.

He said he crossed into Ukraine in a truck without a license plate.

"On the Ukrainian side of the border, rebels met and guided us. In fact there is no border, just a field of sunflowers. There is Russia on one side of it and on the other side there is no more Russia."
[...]
And two weeks ago there was this in report by Nicholas Mokrousov:
_http://slavyangrad.org/2014/08/30/journalist-from-urals-about-few-weeks-spent-in-the-dpr/ said:
[...]BorderOn the way to Russian Donetsk, every now and then we encountered overfilled refugee buses, half of the passengers—half men of military age. We all silently understood what was happening, except our chieftain, who every now and then exploded with angry tirades against those men that did not want to protect their homes and who “run to Russia like weak women, and we have to fight in their stead…” In addition to civilian yellow buses, just at the border crossing, a convoy of military trucks without numbers passed us in the opposite direction, with platforms designed to carry armoured vehicles already empty, followed by the fuel truck. Similar military trucks without license plates could be seen travelling from Rostov towards Shakhty two days earlier. But, then, on their platforms were three Gvozdika artillery installations, and two large trucks covered in camouflage, hauling large-calibre guns. Then and now their drivers were dressed in civilian clothes only; and unlike those on the Rostov highway, they were not accompanied by military traffic-police cars with license plates from Moscow… We saw the military police again at the Ukrainian-Russian border checkpoint “North”. Interestingly enough, these same military traffic-police did not stop vans with heavily armed people crossing from the Ukrainian side. My first thought was: how many unaccounted-for automatic weapons move across the border every day in the direction of Russia? And how many more “Pinocchios” will return to the “hardware” to “raise cash”? (And where will these weapons be fired in Russia?)
[...]
It apears the situation in Eastern Ukraine has been difficult and complicated.
 
have seen some funny pics on the net today: the signs of fate.. :lol:

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Siberia said:
have seen some funny pics on the net today: the signs of fate.. :lol:

2) Poroshenko after meeting with Putin: "Putin has already left?"
 

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Journalists covering the bombing of Donbass and fascists on the Maidan, will be jailed for 3 years

National Council of Ukraine on Television and Radio and the Interior Ministry carried out joint raids on hotels, bases of rest and entertainment, looking for those who translates Russian TV channels. At the briefing reporters said the chairman of the National Council Yuri Artyomenko.

According to him, to date, been tested for more than five thousand public institutions on the implementation of the ban broadcasting of Russian TV channels.

"Most of the public schools off the retransmission of channels of the Russian Federation at once or throughout the day," - said the head of the National Council.

He added that the results of joint raids criminal cases against providers of services in some localities, Donetsk, Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk regions.

"The National Council on Television and Radio Broadcasters warns managers, program service providers, heads of public institutions, hotels, recreation, entertainment and so on. In accordance with Article 300 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine, the proliferation of illicit and other channels that promote violence and cruelty is a crime and is a criminal offense for managers in the form of restrictions on freedom of up to three years. "

Told in the National Council about their next steps after the ban relay 15 Russian TV channels in Ukraine.

"This week, we turned to the State Committee on the cessation of publication in print media broadcasts are forbidden channels, - shared his plans for the National Council Yuri Artyomenko. - The answer is waiting. "

http://www.politnavigator.net/zhurnalistov-rasskazyvayushhikh-o-bombezhkakh-donbassa-i-fashistakh-na-majjdane-budut-sazhat-na-3-goda-video.html

 
Discussed earlier [on Russian-speaking forums], that if you leave the "people's republic" in a vacuum - depriving both external threats and external resource recharge - all internal clan and class contradictions immediately escalate and go outside, will have unprecedented bickering among themselves.


September 12, 2014
Treatment by Foreign of DPR to militia:
"Rotate the hostility inside: Remove DPR, long live the Novorossia (NewRussia)!"
"It makes no sense to defend the land that immediately sell your back"

Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the DPR now decided to spend time on both foreign and domestic policy: "...Power in the Donetsk and Lugansk - in full possession of the traitors, direct appointees oligarchy... Either militia go to Donetsk, and lift up bayonets traitors - or all of your sacrifices were only for the fact of the oligarchs who will be eligible to continue to milk the people of Donbas in the "special status"... Immediately get in Donetsk, and deal with traitors."

full text here: http://mid.donr.su/111.htm



(typical Ukrainian Mother-Anarchy)
 
Looking for additional Flight 17 video, I came across a Facebook site that has been keeping tract of the events in Ukraine with photo's and video. Towards the bottom of the page, two short clips of the crash site, one of which was featured on SOTT.

Russian Summer - South Front Community
_https://www.facebook.com/southfronteng
 
news as they are... the same picture:
1) from junta: Russia strikes us.
2) from media Channel 'Russia-24': Ukrainian punishers fired its citizens.
3) War in Gaza.
 

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Looks like Putin's still cleaning up the "Home-front"?

Moscow » Billionaire's house arrest sends stocks crashing
_http://bigstory.ap.org/article/billionaires-house-arrest-sends-stocks-crashing

Wednesday Sep. 17, 2014 - MOSCOW (AP) — The arrest of a Russian billionaire on Wednesday sent shares in his holding company into a tailspin, wiping away more than $2.5 billion in market capitalization.

Vladimir Yevtushenkov, who is worth $9 billion according to the Russian Forbes magazine, was placed under house arrest late Tuesday in a money-laundering case which has drawn comparisons with a government crackdown on the Yukos oil company in 2003.

Shares in Sistema, a company which Yevtushenkov controls and manages, collapsed by 38 percent in Moscow, cutting the company's market capitalization by over $2.5 billion in less than a day. Earlier in the morning, the MICEX stock exchange had temporarily suspended trading in the shares due to the heavy losses.

Sistema controls Russia's largest mobile phone operator MTS, oil company Bashneft as well as other lucrative assets. MTS was down 9 percent. The stock exchange suspended trading for Bashneft when it dropped 23 percent early afternoon on Wednesday.

The Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs, a group which unites Russia's richest men, has petitioned to release Yevtushenkov on bail, dismissing accusations against him as unfounded.
 
angelburst29 said:
Looks like Putin's still cleaning up the "Home-front"?

Moscow » Billionaire's house arrest sends stocks crashing
_http://bigstory.ap.org/article/billionaires-house-arrest-sends-stocks-crashing

Wednesday Sep. 17, 2014 - MOSCOW (AP) — The arrest of a Russian billionaire on Wednesday sent shares in his holding company into a tailspin, wiping away more than $2.5 billion in market capitalization.

Vladimir Yevtushenkov, who is worth $9 billion according to the Russian Forbes magazine, was placed under house arrest late Tuesday in a money-laundering case which has drawn comparisons with a government crackdown on the Yukos oil company in 2003.

Vladimir Yevtushenkov's wife Natalia is a sister of Elena Baturina, the wife of Moscow's ex-Mayor Yuri Luzhkov. Luzhkov was dismissed by the Order of the President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev in 2010 stating that the Mayor "has lost the trust of the President of Russia," which literally meant the accusation of corruption. Luzhkov and Baturina left Russia and now reside in London, England.. but Luzhkov is still a member of the Board of Directors at Yevtushenkov's Sistema.

It were Luzhkov's connections in the 90s which allowed Yevtushenkov to become the owner of the previously state-owned Moscow Telecom, which later grew into MTS - a private-owned mobile giant.

Later Yevtushenkov diversified his business and merged it into one huge Sistema Holding comprising media, telecom, oil, machinery, finance and other assets. He ranks something like top 20 Russian billionaires now.

Placing him under a house arrest is a good idea: no need to keep him in prison for the taxpayers' money. An even better solution would be to nationalize his illegally gained property and expel him from Russia. OSIT :cool2:
 
Siberia said:
angelburst29 said:
Looks like Putin's still cleaning up the "Home-front"?

Moscow » Billionaire's house arrest sends stocks crashing
_http://bigstory.ap.org/article/billionaires-house-arrest-sends-stocks-crashing

Wednesday Sep. 17, 2014 - MOSCOW (AP) — The arrest of a Russian billionaire on Wednesday sent shares in his holding company into a tailspin, wiping away more than $2.5 billion in market capitalization.

Vladimir Yevtushenkov, who is worth $9 billion according to the Russian Forbes magazine, was placed under house arrest late Tuesday in a money-laundering case which has drawn comparisons with a government crackdown on the Yukos oil company in 2003.

Vladimir Yevtushenkov's wife Natalia is a sister of Elena Baturina, the wife of Moscow's ex-Mayor Yuri Luzhkov. Luzhkov was dismissed by the Order of the President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev in 2010 stating that the Mayor "has lost the trust of the President of Russia," which literally meant the accusation of corruption. Luzhkov and Baturina left Russia and now reside in London, England.. but Luzhkov is still a member of the Board of Directors at Yevtushenkov's Sistema.

It were Luzhkov's connections in the 90s which allowed Yevtushenkov to become the owner of the previously state-owned Moscow Telecom, which later grew into MTS - a private-owned mobile giant.

Later Yevtushenkov diversified his business and merged it into one huge Sistema Holding comprising media, telecom, oil, machinery, finance and other assets. He ranks something like top 20 Russian billionaires now.

Placing him under a house arrest is a good idea: no need to keep him in prison for the taxpayers' money. An even better solution would be to nationalize his illegally gained property and expel him from Russia. OSIT :cool2:

I wonder if this is Putin sending the Atlanticist a message to stay out of politics, also in Ukraine, where the truce seems to have been a very bad deal for Novorossiya, so far. The junta has been allowed to get new weapons and reinforce their troops and the morale, whereas the NAF have just had to take it and look on. Yesterday Strelkov reported on his blog that 24 junta tanks passed by the militia into Donetsk...near the airport, without them being allowed to stop them.

09/16/14. 19:55. Message from small Igor Ivanovich. "Under the guise of a truce and due to the fact that the militia is strictly forbidden to open fire on the territory of Donetsk airport this afternoon, went through the militia positions 24 tanks APU. Congratulations Surkov once glorious victory!"
There is definately a lot going on, including infighting within the leadership of Donbass and when the fighting starts again, Novorossiya will be assigned the blame.

The infightning within the ranks of the leadership, appears to have something to do with various Russian AND Ukrainian AND Western oligarchs and corporations trying to cut their losses and make a deal that will suit them without regard for the people of Donbass. The initiative in Geneva regarding "reconciliation has the following business leaders:

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Anatoly Chubais, the wonder kid, who had a big role in the privatization of Russia in the 90'ies is also there. He was mentioned in the "hidden Putin" documentaries.

Here is a bit about him from Wikipedia:
Anatoly Borisovich Chubais (Russian: Анато́лий Бори́сович Чуба́йс; born June 16, 1955) is a Russian politician and businessman who was responsible for privatization in Russia as an influential member of Boris Yeltsin's administration in the early 1990s.[1] During this period, he was a key figure in introducing market economy and the principles of private ownership to Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union.

From 1998 to 2008, he headed the state-owned electrical power monopoly RAO UES, while a 2004 survey conducted by PricewaterhouseCoopers and the Financial Times named him the world's 54th most respected business leader.[2] Currently, he is the head of the Russian Nanotechnology Corporation (RUSNANO).[3] He has been a member of the Advisory Council for JPMorgan Chase since September 2008 and a member of global board of advisers at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) since October 2012.[4]

Enough info along with the docus in my opinion to put him firmly in the Atlanticists camp and very likely a part of the fifth column that Putin and recently Strelkov has mentioned.


And here some info what this Geneva initiative is about taken from Colonel Cassads blog here:
World Economic Forum. Geneva initiative on Ukraine

In the spirit of dialogue and in the search for common ground to find solutions for the conflict in Ukraine, sixteen prominent business leaders with equal representation from Ukraine, the Russian Federation, Europe, and the United States gathered privately on the invitation of Klaus Schwab, Founder and Executive Chairman of the World Economic Forum, on Sunday September 14th in Geneva. While acknowledging the complexity of the situation and the different viewpoints, the participants succesfully agreed on a common approach. The ten points summarized below are considered by all to help resolve the conflict. All participants recognize that the implementation of these proposals in the present context is challenging given the many complexities. They trust the political leaders involved and their ongoing dialogue, and hope that these proposals can support their initiatives for resolving the Ukraine conflict. The participants also hope that the political leaders can meet soon to bring an end to the conflict, and they pledge their full support for such a political process.

1. Build on the 12 point ceasefire plan elaborated under the OSCE. Ensure a sustained truce, supporting the immediate end of violence and further loss of life. Acknowledge the primacy of the value of human life.
2. Refrain from using provocative and belligerent language, recognizing that it is only through dialogue conducted in an honest and collaborative spirit that progress, security and sustainable peace can be achieved.

3. Intensify the process of comprehensive dialogue on a national Ukrainian level, between Ukraine and the Russian Federation and between Europe, the Russian Federation, Ukraine and the United States with the commitment to establish shared objectives and identify key milestones for the solutions to the present challenges.

4. Maintain a security framework in Ukraine’s eastern region under the oversight of the OSCE, to last until the territorial security is guaranteed.

5. Initiate an inclusive political process towards the decentralisation of power in Ukraine, where additional rights are delegated from the central government to the regions, while also supporting guarantees for minority and language rights.

6. Guarantee the security and sovereignty of Ukraine by the international community. Recognize the supremacy of international law above national interests. Recognize the right of self-determination but encourage to consider a policy of military non-alignment for Ukraine, comparable to the status of other European countries (i.e. Finland, Sweden, Switzerland).

7. Identify how sanctions and counter-sanctions can be avoided and rolled-back in accordance with key milestones achieved in the process of reconciliation, as part of a process of re-establishing normal business dialogue and relations.

8. Put in place an economic recovery plan which addresses the devastation created by the conflict, the need for humanitarian assistance and the rehabilitation of infrastructure required. Establish for this a multistakeholder process and encourage all actors, particularly business, to jointly invest.

9. Coordinate and establish special association and trade agreements for Ukraine as well with the European Union as with the Russian Federation, and later possibly with the Eurasian Economic Community, to stabilize Ukraine’s economy, allowing Ukrainian companies to boost job creation, to improve long-term growth prospects and to reach international levels of competitiveness.

10. Organize a summit for the top political leaders from Europe and European countries involved, the Russian Federation, Ukraine and the United States in Geneva within a short timeframe to advance the reconciliation process.

http://a-chubais.livejournal.com/68236.html (in Russian) – link

PS. I am not at all surprised at the presence of Chubais in this set. Of course, the DPR and the LPR are not represented in any way on this level, but the gauleiter Taruta is present.
The general meaning of the document, which is not hard to notice, is to somehow preserve Donbass in Ukraine in exchange for the West refusing to pass new sanctions (and possibly cancel existing ones) and to lower the intensity of the conflict. The Ukrainian oligarchs, which is not hard to notice, find common ground with Russian oligarchs much better than the fascists find it with Novorossia. Kolomoisky here is more of an exception, the others, as practice shows, are quite capable of negotiating on this level, especially when the USA stands behind them. Of course, it is not clear if the word "negotiations" can be used for the sanctions dictate used by the USA in its relations with the Russian Federation to demand further concessions.

So to come back to the beginning, this might be Putin making his move after the the successful election a couple of days ago, and having realized that the West is not at all willing to negotiate, but that they will keep pushing and pushing until Putin himselff is gone and the atlanticists have won.
 
Aeneas said:
Siberia said:
angelburst29 said:
Looks like Putin's still cleaning up the "Home-front"?

Moscow » Billionaire's house arrest sends stocks crashing
_http://bigstory.ap.org/article/billionaires-house-arrest-sends-stocks-crashing

Wednesday Sep. 17, 2014 - MOSCOW (AP) — The arrest of a Russian billionaire on Wednesday sent shares in his holding company into a tailspin, wiping away more than $2.5 billion in market capitalization.

Vladimir Yevtushenkov, who is worth $9 billion according to the Russian Forbes magazine, was placed under house arrest late Tuesday in a money-laundering case which has drawn comparisons with a government crackdown on the Yukos oil company in 2003.

Vladimir Yevtushenkov's wife Natalia is a sister of Elena Baturina, the wife of Moscow's ex-Mayor Yuri Luzhkov. Luzhkov was dismissed by the Order of the President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev in 2010 stating that the Mayor "has lost the trust of the President of Russia," which literally meant the accusation of corruption. Luzhkov and Baturina left Russia and now reside in London, England.. but Luzhkov is still a member of the Board of Directors at Yevtushenkov's Sistema.

It were Luzhkov's connections in the 90s which allowed Yevtushenkov to become the owner of the previously state-owned Moscow Telecom, which later grew into MTS - a private-owned mobile giant.

Later Yevtushenkov diversified his business and merged it into one huge Sistema Holding comprising media, telecom, oil, machinery, finance and other assets. He ranks something like top 20 Russian billionaires now.

Placing him under a house arrest is a good idea: no need to keep him in prison for the taxpayers' money. An even better solution would be to nationalize his illegally gained property and expel him from Russia. OSIT :cool2:

I wonder if this is Putin sending the Atlanticist a message to stay out of politics, also in Ukraine, where the truce seems to have been a very bad deal for Novorossiya, so far. The junta has been allowed to get new weapons and reinforce their troops and the morale, whereas the NAF have just had to take it and look on. Yesterday Strelkov reported on his blog that 24 junta tanks passed by the militia into Donetsk...near the airport, without them being allowed to stop them.

09/16/14. 19:55. Message from small Igor Ivanovich. "Under the guise of a truce and due to the fact that the militia is strictly forbidden to open fire on the territory of Donetsk airport this afternoon, went through the militia positions 24 tanks APU. Congratulations Surkov once glorious victory!"
There is definately a lot going on, including infighting within the leadership of Donbass and when the fighting starts again, Novorossiya will be assigned the blame.

The infightning within the ranks of the leadership, appears to have something to do with various Russian AND Ukrainian AND Western oligarchs and corporations trying to cut their losses and make a deal that will suit them without regard for the people of Donbass. The initiative in Geneva regarding "reconciliation has the following business leaders:

120649_1000.jpg

Anatoly Chubais, the wonder kid, who had a big role in the privatization of Russia in the 90'ies is also there. He was mentioned in the "hidden Putin" documentaries.

Here is a bit about him from Wikipedia:
Anatoly Borisovich Chubais (Russian: Анато́лий Бори́сович Чуба́йс; born June 16, 1955) is a Russian politician and businessman who was responsible for privatization in Russia as an influential member of Boris Yeltsin's administration in the early 1990s.[1] During this period, he was a key figure in introducing market economy and the principles of private ownership to Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union.

From 1998 to 2008, he headed the state-owned electrical power monopoly RAO UES, while a 2004 survey conducted by PricewaterhouseCoopers and the Financial Times named him the world's 54th most respected business leader.[2] Currently, he is the head of the Russian Nanotechnology Corporation (RUSNANO).[3] He has been a member of the Advisory Council for JPMorgan Chase since September 2008 and a member of global board of advisers at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) since October 2012.[4]

Enough info along with the docus in my opinion to put him firmly in the Atlanticists camp and very likely a part of the fifth column that Putin and recently Strelkov has mentioned.


And here some info what this Geneva initiative is about taken from Colonel Cassads blog here:
World Economic Forum. Geneva initiative on Ukraine

In the spirit of dialogue and in the search for common ground to find solutions for the conflict in Ukraine, sixteen prominent business leaders with equal representation from Ukraine, the Russian Federation, Europe, and the United States gathered privately on the invitation of Klaus Schwab, Founder and Executive Chairman of the World Economic Forum, on Sunday September 14th in Geneva. While acknowledging the complexity of the situation and the different viewpoints, the participants succesfully agreed on a common approach. The ten points summarized below are considered by all to help resolve the conflict. All participants recognize that the implementation of these proposals in the present context is challenging given the many complexities. They trust the political leaders involved and their ongoing dialogue, and hope that these proposals can support their initiatives for resolving the Ukraine conflict. The participants also hope that the political leaders can meet soon to bring an end to the conflict, and they pledge their full support for such a political process.

1. Build on the 12 point ceasefire plan elaborated under the OSCE. Ensure a sustained truce, supporting the immediate end of violence and further loss of life. Acknowledge the primacy of the value of human life.
2. Refrain from using provocative and belligerent language, recognizing that it is only through dialogue conducted in an honest and collaborative spirit that progress, security and sustainable peace can be achieved.

3. Intensify the process of comprehensive dialogue on a national Ukrainian level, between Ukraine and the Russian Federation and between Europe, the Russian Federation, Ukraine and the United States with the commitment to establish shared objectives and identify key milestones for the solutions to the present challenges.

4. Maintain a security framework in Ukraine’s eastern region under the oversight of the OSCE, to last until the territorial security is guaranteed.

5. Initiate an inclusive political process towards the decentralisation of power in Ukraine, where additional rights are delegated from the central government to the regions, while also supporting guarantees for minority and language rights.

6. Guarantee the security and sovereignty of Ukraine by the international community. Recognize the supremacy of international law above national interests. Recognize the right of self-determination but encourage to consider a policy of military non-alignment for Ukraine, comparable to the status of other European countries (i.e. Finland, Sweden, Switzerland).

7. Identify how sanctions and counter-sanctions can be avoided and rolled-back in accordance with key milestones achieved in the process of reconciliation, as part of a process of re-establishing normal business dialogue and relations.

8. Put in place an economic recovery plan which addresses the devastation created by the conflict, the need for humanitarian assistance and the rehabilitation of infrastructure required. Establish for this a multistakeholder process and encourage all actors, particularly business, to jointly invest.

9. Coordinate and establish special association and trade agreements for Ukraine as well with the European Union as with the Russian Federation, and later possibly with the Eurasian Economic Community, to stabilize Ukraine’s economy, allowing Ukrainian companies to boost job creation, to improve long-term growth prospects and to reach international levels of competitiveness.

10. Organize a summit for the top political leaders from Europe and European countries involved, the Russian Federation, Ukraine and the United States in Geneva within a short timeframe to advance the reconciliation process.

http://a-chubais.livejournal.com/68236.html (in Russian) – link

PS. I am not at all surprised at the presence of Chubais in this set. Of course, the DPR and the LPR are not represented in any way on this level, but the gauleiter Taruta is present.
The general meaning of the document, which is not hard to notice, is to somehow preserve Donbass in Ukraine in exchange for the West refusing to pass new sanctions (and possibly cancel existing ones) and to lower the intensity of the conflict. The Ukrainian oligarchs, which is not hard to notice, find common ground with Russian oligarchs much better than the fascists find it with Novorossia. Kolomoisky here is more of an exception, the others, as practice shows, are quite capable of negotiating on this level, especially when the USA stands behind them. Of course, it is not clear if the word "negotiations" can be used for the sanctions dictate used by the USA in its relations with the Russian Federation to demand further concessions.

So to come back to the beginning, this might be Putin making his move after the the successful election a couple of days ago, and having realized that the West is not at all willing to negotiate, but that they will keep pushing and pushing until Putin himselff is gone and the atlanticists have won.

Putting Yevtushenkov underhouse arrest may indeed be the beginning Putin making a move against the fifth column. This is exactly what Evgeny Fedorov discusses in his latest interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qLMG0KD3rI
 
On September 17, a group of 24 Ukrainian Deputies visited Moscow State Duma to "support the dialogue between the Parliaments of two countries." Here is the full list of Ukrainian guests.

Russian Deputies met them with a standing applause. One of the visitors was Taisia Povaliy, the Deputy of the Party of Regions (previously lead by Yanukovich) - by the way, many decent people still belong to this party, it's not at all that evil as it is described by some media, despite all the disappointment about their ex-leader. These people are risking not only their reputations (they are strongly condemned in Kiev for this), but their health too.

Taisia Povaliy is not only the Deputy of Ukrainian Parliament (Rada) for culture, art and charity, but she is also a most beautiful and charming woman and a brilliant singer. Let me also rise in applause to Taisia and her colleagues.


https://youtu.be/Jknsxt4tlpE
 
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