does superpower / magic (like in the movies or games) exist somewhere else ?

[Prysm]

So I have been reading this thread on and off as I see new responses posted, and have been thinking a little about it. As a fan of fantasy, I have always had a curiosity about magic and superpowers/psychic abilities, although the latter was probably more influenced when I started studying spirituality during high school and was getting familiar with tai chi, yoga, and meditation. It started opening me up to a whole new world outside of simple fantasy novels, rpg's, and the christian up-bringing I had been programmed with. I had a lot of fun learning about different spiritual paths, while gaining a focus of my mind/body/emotions using tai chi/yoga/meditation. I noticed that practicing with these tools/pathways started to open my awareness and seemed to develop some sort of skills. I used to be able to go into relatively deep meditations and work with energy and chakra's. I would work on energy cultivation/circulation in tai chi, and with qi gong while trying to understand the healing aspect of it. Had my share of successful healing sessions when it was applied. I admit I did have some theories about playing around with weather modification as well, spurring off the tree type meditation, combining the grounding through the feet/base of spine, and the branching out through the top of the head into the sky to form a link in an energetic current. I had a lot of ideas I was curious about, and tried experimenting.

But that was in my youth, when I was curious about the world and opening up to my spiritual side, full of awe and wonder of the world and universe. I seemed to fall off the bandwagon so to say my senior year. I partly think it was due to me coming out the summer before. It may have been an over-identification with that aspect of me, plus the fact that high school was soon to be over and I was to be thrust into the real world and all its somewhat terrifying realities and relations that I would have to be a part of. Life wasn't going to be so calm and carefree, where i could simply go to school, hang with friends, and study and practice spirituality/tai chi/yoga/meditation while living a relatively comfortable life as a young adult under the care of a parent. So as I passed into adulthood, it felt like the weight of the world was starting to descend on me. I went through my trials of being kicked out after my 18th birthday due to mounting depression that kept me from doing much of anything. It was a necessary event to jump start my self sustainability in the real world I am a part of. I moved in with a friend and her family that was a couple grades below me, got a job and eventually was helped to get an apartment of my own with my mothers help and cosigning of the lease. I had definitely gone though my own dark times during this phase transition in my life, but at least I was functioning in a way to support myself. My spiritual side was kind of dormant, even though there was a calling of sorts to resume the connection. Finding that balance in life between living as you need to get by, while still being open and active to the spiritual side is a battle I havent quite been able to reconcile yet.

I eventually stumbled upon Laura's work and the Cassiopaean material, and have been trying to work with the information this forum has so generously made available. It had a bit of a renewing/revitalizing effect on that dormant spiritual side that was always calling out to me. It seems I have a lot more knowledge now thanks to all the research done here, and the reading I have done thanks to the suggestions from this forum, but the Being is what has been dormant in me for so long. When I think back to my younger days, I have longing to be that again. I miss the fun of it all. The deep and meaningful meditations, the calm and focus,the random what seemed to be pyschic/intuitive readings i received, the fun of using energy for healing and whatever experimental ideas I had. Was it that Knowledge and Being were working together back then? As I studied and learned more, i would try and apply difference techniques/tools. I mean, it really was like the C's said, "learning is fun".

I feel I need to be more dedicated with the Doing/Being. I want to revive that old me I feel so connected to, but its not quite that, but more of an integration. I dont want to live in the past, but I do want to integrate that part of me with all the knowledge I had received since coming into contact with this forum. I have been working with dietary shift and exercise, doing tai chi more regularly, reading though the recommended book list, but meditation is usually what frustrates me and brings me down. I keep losing focus and feeling detached, having frustration overwhelm me. I think back to how easy and fun it was years ago, and wonder why I cant do it now. I was thinking I need to focus on EE as the primary meditation tool right now. I am out of practice and think this guided approach would be the most beneficial approach, but I just need to sit down and do it. stop worrying about the past and use what I have in front of me to help me get where I am trying to go. It kind of feels like the definition of insanity right now, trying to do the same thing over and over while expecting a different result, which is why i need to shift course and use the EE program.( mainly cuz i am caught in the past)

I am sorry if this post became a bit long-winded. I have mainly been a board-lurker and wanted to start participating more on the forum. Plus I am interested in joining FOTCM and know that active participation is reviewed for consideration. I am glad I had overcome what resistance I had been harboring to put myself out there and comment. One of the main reasons I first posted in this thread was because I like anime and have been watching a couple about virtual reality rpg games. Its like another world that we dream up where other realities/laws are possible. But it got more interesting as I watched. Both series have the players stuck in the world they play in, as if it became the real world. what once was a game where you could do/be whatever you wanted w/o consequence began to shift into one where their humanity started to play a real role in decision making. It also started to touch on what seems to be a bit of information theory and gathering of information to alter the course of events they now find themselves in. The two series I am referring to are Sword Art Online SAO, and Login Horizon. I have been watching them on www.anime1.com but you can access them from any sight you find that provides the content. My suggestion was for those interested to watch them and discuss any concepts that have relevance. Like books, I like anime because of ideas/concepts that can be portrayed that stimulate one to think outside the box. I think i remember the C's mentioning something about higher density beings can infuse ideas into people through inspiration that get created as books/movies, ect. I thought this suggestion would be relevant to some of the discussions taking place here, but if it is off topic or would be better relegated to a new thread let me know.

 

[dinkot]

Like books, I like anime because of ideas/concepts that can be portrayed that stimulate one to think outside the box. I think i remember the C's mentioning something about higher density beings can infuse ideas into people through inspiration that get created as books/movies, ect.

@Bobby: thank you very much for taking the time & being 'bold' also to come to the forefront to post such an understanding response!
words can't even express how much I am glad/happy that there is/are -finally- the similar type of person/people like me in this forum..!

I've quoted & highlighted (bold) the most important point from your thoughts, that also have exactly been my thoughts too.. (and thank you very much once again for 'reminding' me by mentioning this in your last paragraph!).

I am now honestly very curious as to what Laura (& the C's) & some other forum members here think about that quote above.
because this is heavily-tied with my OP question, regarding the human's "out-of-this-real-world" Imaginations, fantasy, Creativity (yes, just as Bobby mentioned so well: usually very apparent in movies, comics, books, novels, anime / manga, video games, etc.. basically the world/realm of ART)... Again, surely I would think that all of these couldn't be just a mere 'coincidence/just randomly happened' out of nowhere in this so-called "reality" or Universe,.. isn't it?

thank you

(PS: Bobby, the anime Sword Art Online (SAO) is actually exactly what 'drove' me to think/ponder even much more deeply about this whole "human's Imagination power" things, and finally made me to post & ask my OP question...! thanks a lot, once again, for mentioning it! :) )

 

[3DStudent]

I think those inspirational things serve the purpose of taking what we learn in that fantasy context into the real world. It is a kind of learning away from the real world's learning. Don't forget that the real world is where our lessons are and that's what we should pay attention to. Third density is mostly physical. Fourth is where it gets more of a half and half of physical and spiritual existence.

Another random thought is that we shouldn't try to be or identify with an archetype. We merely should aspire to the qualities that it represents. Something like the archetype is bigger than us. This was in a thread I cannot find now. My point being that these things that we learn about higher concepts may not be fully translatable at our level. But surely we can make a part of them useful.

 

[dinkot]

@3D Student : thank you very much. that is a logical, sensible, yet also understanding response. really appreciate it, and hopefully you are right in your 'rational/logical' assumptions..

 

[Laura]

Keep in mind that spirit communication is metaphoric. So when higher density beings "infuse ideas" into creative artists, what comes out is often dependent upon the make-up of the artist more than the objective truth of the "sent metaphor."

There was a discussion about this with the Cs once, 26 Nov 1994:

Q: (L) In terms of these Earth Changes, Edgar Cayce is one of
the most famous prognosticators of recent note, a large
number of the prophecies he made seemingly were erroneous
in terms of their fulfillment. For example, he prophesied
that Atlantis would rise in 1969, but it did not though
certain structures were discovered off the coast of Bimini
which are thought by many to be remnants of Atlantis.
These did, apparently, emerge from the sand at that time.
A: Example of one form of symbolism.
Q: (L) Well, in terms of this symbolism, could this be
applied to the remarks you made about the two little boys
who were missing in South Carolina.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And the symbolism was that you were reading the event
from 3rd density into sixth density terms and then
transmitting it back into 3rd, and while the ideation was
correct, the exact specifics, in 3rd density terms, were
slightly askew. Is that what we are dealing with here?
A: 99.9 per cent would not understand that concept. Most are
always looking for literal translations of data. Analogy
is novice who attends art gallery, looks at abstract
painting and says "I don't get it."
Q: (L) Well, let's not denigrate literal translations or at
least attempts to get things into literal terms. I like
realistic art work. I am a realist in my art preferences.
I want trees to look like trees and people to have only
two arms and legs. Therefore, I also like some
literalness in my prognostications.
A: Some is okay, but, beware or else "California falls into
the ocean" will always be interpreted as California
falling into the ocean.
Q: [General uproar] (F) Wait a minute, what was the
question? (L) I just said I liked literalness in my
prophecies. (F) Oh, I know what they are saying. People
believe that California is just going to go splat and that
Phoenix is going to be on the seacoast, never mind that
it's at 1800 feet elevation, it's just going to drop down
to sea level, or the sea level is going to rise, but it's
not going to affect Virginia Beach even though that's at
sea level. I mean... somehow Phoenix is just going to
drop down and none of the buildings are going to be
damaged, even though its going to fall 1800 feet... (T)
Slowly. It's going to settle. (F) Slowly? It would have
to be so slowly it's unbelievable how slowly it would have
to be. (T) It's been settling for the last five million
years, we've got a ways to go in the next year and a half!
(F) Right! That's my point. (T) In other words, when
people like Scallion and Sun Bear and others say
California is going to fall into the ocean, they are not
saying that the whole state, right along the border is
going to fall into the ocean, they are using the term
California to indicate that the ocean ledge along the
fault line has a probability of breaking off and sinking
on the water side, because it is a major fracture. We
understand that that is not literal. Are you telling us
that there is more involved here as far as the way we are
hearing what these predictions say?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Are we understanding what you are saying?
A: Some.
Q: (T) So, when we talk about California falling into the
ocean, we are not talking about the whole state literally
falling into the ocean?
A: In any case, even if it does, how long will it take to do
this?
Q: (LM) It could take three minutes or three hundred years.
(T) Yes. That is "open" as you would say.
A: Yes. But most of your prophets think it is not open.
Q: (J) Yeah, because they think they have the only line on
it. (T) Okay. So they are thinking in the terms that one
minute California will be there and a minute and a half
later it will be all gone. Is this what you are saying?
A: Or similar.
Q: (T) So, when we are talking: "California will fall into
the ocean, which is just the analogy we are using, we are
talking about, as far as earth changes, is the possibility
that several seismic events along the fault line, which no
one really knows the extent of...
A: Or it all may be symbolic of something else.
Q: (L) Such as? (J) All the fruitcakes in California are all
going to go off the deep end together. (L) Symbolic of
what?
A: Up to you to examine and learn.
Q: (L) Now, wait a minute here! That's like sending us out
to translate a book in Latin without even giving us a
Latin dictionary.
A: No it is not. We asked you to consider a reexamination.
...
Q: (L) Does any of this mean that the earth changes that have
been predicted, may not, in fact, occur in physical
reality as we understand it?
A: You betcha.
Q: (L) Does this mean that all of this running around and
hopping and jumping to go here and go there and do this
and do that is...
A: That is strictly 3rd level thinking.
Q: (L) Now, if that is 3rd level thinking, and if a lot of
these things are symbolic, I am assuming they are symbolic
of movement or changes in energy.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And, if these changes in energy occur does this mean
that the population of the planet are, perhaps, in groups
or special masses of groups, are they defined as the
energies that are changing in these descriptions of events
and happenings of great cataclysm. Is it like a cataclysm
of the soul on an individual and or collective basis?
A: Close.
...
Q: (L) So, in other words, a being from say, 6th density,
could look at this planet we call the earth and see it
spinning through space and see several dimensions of
earth, and yet the point of space/time occupation is the
same, in other words, simultaneous. (J) They can look
down but we can't look up.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, in other words, while all of this cataclysmic
activity is happening on the 3rd dimensional earth, we
will be just on our 4th dimensional earth and this sort of
thing won't be there, and we won't see the 3rd dimensional
people and they won't see us because we will be in
different densities which are not "en rapport", so to
speak?
A: You understand concept, now you must decide if it is
factual.

As to the projecting, 21 Sept 1996:

Q: (L) All right, last week, when we shut down for the night we
had asked a question about the movie ID4, Independence Day, and
we were told to ask further questions about this, so that gives
us a clue that there might be something significant there. Does
anybody remember what the question was that I asked? (T) Is
there any significance to the ID4 movie?
A: Sure.
Q: (L) What was the primary intention of the makers of this
movie? The primary message that they attempted to convey?
A: Infuse thinking patterns with [planchette swirled a few
times here] concept of aliens.
Q: (L) They intended to infuse thinking patterns
with concept of aliens... was there any particular slant on
aliens, per se, that was seen as desirable in the making of this
movie?
A: Slant?
Q: (L) Slant, in other words, did they wish to present them
inaccurately to confuse people, to present them as something to
be feared and fought against, or to make them appear so
completely erroneous, so that when actual aliens do appear, that
they will not be perceived as negative?
A: Infuse.
Q: (L) Infuse. Just the concept, the concept of aliens in
general. OK...
A: Part of a larger project.
Q: (L) And what is this project?
A: Called "Project Awaken."
Q: (L) And who is behind, or in charge of, this project?
A: Many.
Q: (L) Who are the primary group, groups or individuals? I'm
sure you're not going to give us individuals, but just the
grouping.
A: Thor's Pantheum.
Q: (L) And what is Thor's Pantheum?
A: Subselect trainees for transfer of enlightenment frequency
graduation.
Q: (L) What is enlightenment frequency graduation?
A: Think!
Q: (L) Enlightenment frequency graduation... so, subselect
trainees...
A: Self explanatory.
Q: (L) Well, is this group STS or STO?
A: Both.
,,,
Q: (T) There's more to all of this...were you referring to...
(T) Who are they? Thor's Pantheum. And they're subselect
trainees...That's the group behind this movie; OK...
A: An army of Aryan psychic projectors.
Q: (T) Well, that explains a lot more than Thor's Pantheum of
subselect trainees! An army of psychic projectors. (L) And
what do they project?
A: Themselves... Right in to one's head.
Q: (T) Into one's head... this is better than 'Must See
TV!' (L) Project right into one's head... is anybody subject to
this projecting?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And, when they project themselves right into someone's
head, what does that someone perceive?
A: Inspiration.
Q: (L) Inspiration to what, or to do what?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Yes? To do what, to do something?
A: And...
Q: (L) To do something, and to understand or perceive something,
is that it?
A: Yes.
Q: (J) To believe something? (L) Yes. So, how many are
in this army?
A: 1.6 million.
Q: (L) When they're doing this projecting into someone's head,
where are they projecting from?
A: Mostly subterranean.
Q: (L) Subterranean, so these are the people of the tunnels, the
underground bases and all that sort of thing. Are they 3rd
or 4th density beings?
A: Both.
Q: (T) Let me back up to a question here. If they can do
all this projecting on their own, what was the point of the
movie?
A: No, you misunderstand... This is an intense activity,
directed towards influencing the high level creative forces.
Q: (T) Projected against? Because this movie, if you've been
following the reviews and the people talking about it, this
movie has had more repeat business than any movie in years and
years and years and years. People have seen it ten and twenty
times! (L) Was there something subliminal in the movie? That
opened something? (J) That's a good question!
A: Sure.
Q: (L) And was this subliminal activity with the movie designed
to create an opening for this further...
A: Not for you, but for others.
Q: (L) Why? Do you mean me, personally, or us as a group? (T)
Well the movie didn't affect me.
A: Group.
Q: (L) What made us immune?
A: You already have the knowledge.
Q: (T) The movie wasn't meant for us; we already know. The
movie was meant for all of those who don't understand.
A: Say hello to Gene Roddenberry.
Q: (L) Is Gene Roddenberry present?
A: No.
Q: (L) In other words, say hello to him because he was
doing that sort of thing a long time ago?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Is Gene Roddenberry one of these people from Thor's
Pantheon...
A: No.
Q: (L) Why did you bring up Gene Roddenberry? (J) Because he
was doing it in Star Trek?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) He was doing a whole different thing with Star Trek...
(L) Well, lets not get too far off track, hang on, hang on...
A: It's not the exact "Slant," it's "the concept, stupid."
Q: (T) Well ,they don't have to get insulting here! (L) They
weren't. Ok...
A: "Its the economy, stupid."
Q: (J) We knew that!! (T) I was just teasing. Mirth!! Mirth!
(L) Hold everything. When you say influencing high level
creative forces, do you mean as in gathering, what would you
call it, gravity waves...
A: No.
Q: (L) What are these high level creative forces that are
needing to be influenced, or desirable of being influenced?
A: Those in the creative arts.
Q: (L) So in other words, I see, this group is using their
projecting ability to influence those in the creative arts to do
creative things that will therefore influence the people on the
planet. Is that it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And, these individuals are in the underground tunnels,
and you say that they are both STS and STO.
A: We did not specify "tunnels," you did.
Q: (T) They said... how did they put that? Subterranean...
(J) Mostly subterranean.(T) ... Underground. In other words,
underground, as in resistance fighters type underground,
underground as in ...
A: No.
Q: (T) Not fighters, but the idea that they are part of the
underground movement? (L) Subterranean as in literally
under the ground?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) OK, but not tunnels, then what?
A: We did not say "no tunnels" either.
Q: (L) Are these individuals living... I know we said the
tunnels...
A: The point is: what happens when you assume?
Q: (L) We won't assume. Are there any specific things about
this movie other than the general import of opening to the idea
of aliens...
A: No.
Q: (L) So there's no specific thing that we can pin down in this
movie, and say that this might be an accurate representation of
anything? It was just entertainment for that purpose?
A: Enough about the movie, already!

 

[dinkot]

@Laura: with all due respect, reading the C's transcripts above, honestly, sometimes I can't help to think that:

1) they're being somewhat vague, & not detailed enough
2) they're often not answering the asked-questions
3) and even seems to avoid some of actually the most crucial, pertinent, & critical questions
4) very often they responded to such actually real-substantial questions (& even detailed statements) with just a mere "yes" or "no", which is -in all honesty- very dissatisfying
5) as I've just said in previous point, sometimes it's even the questioner him/her/themselves that would sort of 'answer' his/her/their own questions, with detailed statements (or rhetorical questions, etc)

The question that I asked in the OP was/is actually one of the most serious questions I've ever asked even anyone whom I respected their intelligence, professionalism, real-honesty, & Open-mindedness.

There are (honestly again) some good, even really-good responses (ie: sensible, logical, detailed, real, honest, no "ad-hominem", very understanding, and Open-minded) so far in this thread, but sadly/unfortunately, there are also some "ad-hominem" (attacking the person, not the topic), judgmental, dogmatic, & close-minded responses that I've observed in details, in this thread.

I wish I could get much more detailed & pertinent responses ..

thx~

-Niki-
from Indonesia

Mod's note: email add deleted for privacy

 

[cubbex]

YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET — YOU TRY TO ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME... SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.

"Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point—"

YOU NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?

Uh? that sounds kinda psycho to me. You don't need proof or an atom from mercy and justice, as they are product of our empathy and emotions. And our emotions when we forgive and get angry are pretty real.

Is like psychopath saying morality doesn't exist, and that is a lie people try to believe.

Well, it's the matter of perspective, i guess. I think what "Death" was describing is that there is no physical proof of justice, mercy and duty in the universe- they reside in our hearts and minds only (those of us who are gifted with conscience). Outcomes of our actions (derived from justice and mercy in our hearts) are very real, undoubtedly!

Also: "YOU NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - I think this means that when we have faith in something and do not doubt, we can make it happen. And there's no evidence of it, until we have reached a certain level of maturity- meaning: we have what it takes to make things right.

Of course, that is only my interpretation. I could be completely off with this! :/

I agree on the perception side, it's always like that and there may lay or lack of filtering for ponerosis.

Also, now that this Death talks, maybe he tried to convey the point Andrew did in Political Ponerology about paramoralisms.

The conviction that moral values exist and that some actions violate moral rules is so common and ancient
a phenomenon that it seems to have some substratum at man’s instinctive endowment level (although it is certainly not totally adequate for moral truth), and that it does not only represent centuries’ of experience, culture, religion, and socialization.

Thus, any insinuation framed in moral slogans is always suggestive, even if the “moral” criteria used are just an “ad hoc” invention. Any act can thus be proved to be immoral or moral by means of such paramoralisms utilized as active suggestion, and people whose minds will succumb to such reasoning can always be found.
[...]
Paramoralism somehow cunningly evades the control of our common sense, sometimes leading to acceptance or approval of behavior that is openly pathological.
[...]
The conversive features in the genesis of paramoralisms seem to prove they are derived from mostly subconscious rejection (and repression from the field of consciousness) of something completely different, which we call the voice of conscience.
[...]
This may be a good place to reflect that true moral law is born and exists independently of our judgments in this regard, and even of our ability to recognize it. Thus, the attitude required for such understanding is scientific, not creative: we must humbly subordinate our mind to the apprehended reality. That is when we discover the truth about man, both his weaknesses and values, which shows us what is decent and proper with respect to other people and other societies.

Now back to the fantasy world, if superman falls into a wrong paramoralism made from his "super" point of view and the american government, we would be all dead in that world.

 

[cubbex]

Like books, I like anime because of ideas/concepts that can be portrayed that stimulate one to think outside the box. I think i remember the C's mentioning something about higher density beings can infuse ideas into people through inspiration that get created as books/movies, ect.

@Bobby: thank you very much for taking the time & being 'bold' also to come to the forefront to post such an understanding response!
words can't even express how much I am glad/happy that there is/are -finally- the similar type of person/people like me in this forum..!

I've quoted & highlighted (bold) the most important point from your thoughts, that also have exactly been my thoughts too.. (and thank you very much once again for 'reminding' me by mentioning this in your last paragraph!).

I am now honestly very curious as to what Laura (& the C's) & some other forum members here think about that quote above.
because this is heavily-tied with my OP question, regarding the human's "out-of-this-real-world" Imaginations, fantasy, Creativity (yes, just as Bobby mentioned so well: usually very apparent in movies, comics, books, novels, anime / manga, video games, etc.. basically the world/realm of ART)... Again, surely I would think that all of these couldn't be just a mere 'coincidence/just randomly happened' out of nowhere in this so-called "reality" or Universe,.. isn't it?

thank you

(PS: Bobby, the anime Sword Art Online (SAO) is actually exactly what 'drove' me to think/ponder even much more deeply about this whole "human's Imagination power" things, and finally made me to post & ask my OP question...! thanks a lot, once again, for mentioning it! :) )

Just to convey to you what the elders tried:

Knowledge = technology ; discipline on energy or electrical control = knowledge about that discipline

Supeman is product of DNA engineering.
Sword art online is a virtual game product of technology and study on programming or something, so that teenagers project their samurai fantasies (because that's basically it).
Flash, product of science.
Spiderman, product of science.
Jedi, product of discipline of the mind, emotions, and of course, dependable on DNA activation, already in the individual.
Batman, product of discipline, studies on technology, psychology, and detective skills.
Star Trek, technology
Teenage mutant ninja turtles, product of technology and DNA engineering again.
Harry Potter; DNA and discipline of the magic arts.

If any of super powers stuff might be real, they would require a great deal of research and knowledge input.

@Laura: with all due respect, reading the C's transcripts above, honestly, sometimes I can't help to think that:

1) they're being somewhat vague, & not detailed enough
2) they're often not answering the asked-questions
3) and even seems to avoid some of actually the most crucial, pertinent, & critical questions
4) very often they responded to such actually real-substantial questions (& even detailed statements) with just a mere "yes" or "no", which is -in all honesty- very dissatisfying
5) as I've just said in previous point, sometimes it's even the questioner him/her/themselves that would sort of 'answer' his/her/their own questions, with detailed statements (or rhetorical questions, etc)

The question that I asked in the OP was/is actually one of the most serious questions I've ever asked even anyone whom I respected their intelligence, professionalism, real-honesty, & Open-mindedness.

There are (honestly again) some good, even really-good responses (ie: sensible, logical, detailed, real, honest, no "ad-hominem", very understanding, and Open-minded) so far in this thread, but sadly/unfortunately, there are also some "ad-hominem" (attacking the person, not the topic), judgmental, dogmatic, & close-minded responses that I've observed in details, in this thread.

I wish I could get much more detailed & pertinent responses ..

thx~

-Niki-
from Indonesia

Be honest with us, how in depth have you studied the material shared here? not much I guess. So, right now I think there's something to be worked on the idea of "put someone a step back from you" or something. You may think it is dogmatic, but it's not, the thing is that the elders are so advanced in their understanding that I notice, that some questions are really obvious to them and difficult for them to explain it to others new to this ideas.

2nd: People here by choice are pretty well trained on spotting emotional manipulative people, and you kinda seem like one with this "thanks to be sensitive/I felt so alone here, good to find another one(play the victim)/ I wish I could get more detailed pertinent responses AKA I wish I could have impose my perception on you". :) A little bit of hypersensitiveness from you, don't you think? no one here attacks you, no one has the time nor the energy to spend their time doing that.

 

[Alada]

1) they're being somewhat vague, & not detailed enough
2) they're often not answering the asked-questions
3) and even seems to avoid some of actually the most crucial, pertinent, & critical questions
4) very often they responded to such actually real-substantial questions (& even detailed statements) with just a mere "yes" or "no", which is -in all honesty- very dissatisfying
5) as I've just said in previous point, sometimes it's even the questioner him/her/themselves that would sort of 'answer' his/her/their own questions, with detailed statements (or rhetorical questions, etc)

If the above are correct (and sure, sometimes that may be so), then perhaps we have think about why they might be.

Have you considered these questions within the context of:

An STO source / schooling process; free will; Knowledge & learning; how one can best learn within an STO framework.

vs.

STS - Give me what I want (and have anticipated), and just the way I want it, and give it to me now ?

Consider the context, see?

Sometimes I make this mistake too though, of assuming that I know exactly what it is I need to learn (and how best to learn it). It hinders us from seeing what is actually there, is a reading error that has to be accounted for when considering things.

It is kind of silly too when you think about it. The whole point of learning is that there are many things we don’t know, and yet we can often assume that we know exactly what it is we need to learn! Is that really learning, or just seeking confirmation of existing assumptions? Again, set that question within the STO framework and it might help resolve the question I think.

 

[Laura]

Dinkot, re-read my first response to you:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,35526.msg511512.html#msg511512

Other than that, I can only emphasize prometeo's response as being on the money:

People here by choice are pretty well trained on spotting emotional manipulative people, and you kinda seem like one with this "thanks to be sensitive/I felt so alone here, good to find another one(play the victim)/ I wish I could get more detailed pertinent responses AKA I wish I could have impose my perception on you". :) A little bit of hypersensitiveness from you, don't you think? no one here attacks you, no one has the time nor the energy to spend their time doing that.

You've been given links and hints, but you seem to want it all handed to you on a platter. As the Cs have said, "Knowledge is power. If we give it to you like Halloween candy, it is diffused."

It appears to me that what you really want is "Power over the forces of life". Well, that's a totally STS orientation.

So again,

Best wishes on your journey.