Stevie Argyl
Jedi Master
Re: Exposing Online Predators & Cyberpaths
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Exposing Online Predators & Cyberpaths
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jumpinjack2011
Padawan Learner
Re: Exposing Online Predators & Cyberpaths
Guardian, 'no' is just the jumping off point for these types. They don't really NEED a reason and sometimes the reason is this teeny tiny microscopic reason that only they can see. Psychopathy is always going to be the disorder which it is and will always get to the attack point. The reason is never the reason, it's just psychopathy engaging in it's environment. It is the engagement point. All the communication up til then has been the luring.
And in this case, didn't Mary McGrannahan basically tell her if she paid her she would take down the site? Thats extortion.
No is the 'start your engines' message to them.
Guardian, 'no' is just the jumping off point for these types. They don't really NEED a reason and sometimes the reason is this teeny tiny microscopic reason that only they can see. Psychopathy is always going to be the disorder which it is and will always get to the attack point. The reason is never the reason, it's just psychopathy engaging in it's environment. It is the engagement point. All the communication up til then has been the luring.
And in this case, didn't Mary McGrannahan basically tell her if she paid her she would take down the site? Thats extortion.
No is the 'start your engines' message to them.
Guardian
The Cosmic Force
Re: Exposing Online Predators & Cyberpaths
Oh yeah...there's blatant "Pay Me" type extortion all over that blog.
It's funny how history repeats itself. Just as we did with the kiddie porn and crush video pervs, I'm going to eventually use what Barbara Ness and Mary Mcgrannahan have been doing to people as a prime example of why we need the law to catch up with modern cyber crimes.
What they are doing is no more "Free Speech" than someone yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater, or a pedophile posting instructions on how to groom a child for sexual abuse...we just need the law to recognize this fact. It's already started to happen...in Europe first of course, they're almost always first when it comes to cyberlaw. Google's CEO has been found guilty of criminal defamation based on the displayed results of their search engine algorithm, and they have 100's of other defamation suits still pending. The rumor is that Google is COMPLETLY re-doing their TOS and the new one is supposed to be posted by Sept 1? I bet it will be an interesting read.
People are becoming more aware of Cyber harassment in general, so it's only a matter of time before we see a solid bill on the floor. Of course stalker teams like Barbara and Mary will fight this, shouting "Free Speech" every step of the way, but the FACT is that US law already restricts "Free Speech" when that speech causes "serious harm" to another....it always has. We just need those laws updated to to acknowledge the "serious harm" being done to victims of cyber predators on the Internet. Lying about someone with the intent to cause them harm is already either illegal, or civilly actionable, or both in every other public venue...newspapers, radio, TV, etc. and Internet posts have the potential to reach a much larger audience.
Hopefully we'll be able to make The BM famous....just not the way they intended :)
jumpinjack2011 said:
Oh yeah...there's blatant "Pay Me" type extortion all over that blog.
It's funny how history repeats itself. Just as we did with the kiddie porn and crush video pervs, I'm going to eventually use what Barbara Ness and Mary Mcgrannahan have been doing to people as a prime example of why we need the law to catch up with modern cyber crimes.
What they are doing is no more "Free Speech" than someone yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater, or a pedophile posting instructions on how to groom a child for sexual abuse...we just need the law to recognize this fact. It's already started to happen...in Europe first of course, they're almost always first when it comes to cyberlaw. Google's CEO has been found guilty of criminal defamation based on the displayed results of their search engine algorithm, and they have 100's of other defamation suits still pending. The rumor is that Google is COMPLETLY re-doing their TOS and the new one is supposed to be posted by Sept 1? I bet it will be an interesting read.
People are becoming more aware of Cyber harassment in general, so it's only a matter of time before we see a solid bill on the floor. Of course stalker teams like Barbara and Mary will fight this, shouting "Free Speech" every step of the way, but the FACT is that US law already restricts "Free Speech" when that speech causes "serious harm" to another....it always has. We just need those laws updated to to acknowledge the "serious harm" being done to victims of cyber predators on the Internet. Lying about someone with the intent to cause them harm is already either illegal, or civilly actionable, or both in every other public venue...newspapers, radio, TV, etc. and Internet posts have the potential to reach a much larger audience.
Hopefully we'll be able to make The BM famous....just not the way they intended :)
jumpinjack2011
Padawan Learner
Re: Exposing Online Predators & Cyberpaths
There has already been cases in cyberstalking...someone recently was awarded millions, all of their bank accounts attached, IRS returns, any benefits they receive from the government were attached, houses liened, spouses income garnished for life, etc. So it's already happening and it was bound to. Cyber space is as big a media as TV and if you can't take an ad out doing this on national TV, it only stands to reason that a media that large is the current new phase in law. That's why you are seeing resources such as the National Stalking Resource Center funded by the DOJ, etc. I was very excited to see that multi-million dollar law suit which has paved the way...and that was a couple years ago so we are well on our way. We just need another big case like The BM with that growing list of victims you have to seal the deal on how many victims they actually harm before someone has the skills to document. Probably not the smartest thing they did by going after people with reputations that can overtly be defamed, people who have money to pay for skilled attorneys, or forensic people who know how to prove it.
Umm mmm mmm....
There has already been cases in cyberstalking...someone recently was awarded millions, all of their bank accounts attached, IRS returns, any benefits they receive from the government were attached, houses liened, spouses income garnished for life, etc. So it's already happening and it was bound to. Cyber space is as big a media as TV and if you can't take an ad out doing this on national TV, it only stands to reason that a media that large is the current new phase in law. That's why you are seeing resources such as the National Stalking Resource Center funded by the DOJ, etc. I was very excited to see that multi-million dollar law suit which has paved the way...and that was a couple years ago so we are well on our way. We just need another big case like The BM with that growing list of victims you have to seal the deal on how many victims they actually harm before someone has the skills to document. Probably not the smartest thing they did by going after people with reputations that can overtly be defamed, people who have money to pay for skilled attorneys, or forensic people who know how to prove it.
Umm mmm mmm....
Re: Exposing Online Predators & Cyberpaths
Indeed, and we have our own suit moving in that direction. Defamation is a serious crime in Europe and can result in hefty fines and even jail time. We already won one suit where the defamation wasn't even public... it was just an email sent to a colleague of my husbands. The perpetrator had to pay us 7500. for ONE email!
Guardian said:
Indeed, and we have our own suit moving in that direction. Defamation is a serious crime in Europe and can result in hefty fines and even jail time. We already won one suit where the defamation wasn't even public... it was just an email sent to a colleague of my husbands. The perpetrator had to pay us 7500. for ONE email!
jumpinjack2011
Padawan Learner
Re: Exposing Online Predators & Cyberpaths
This isn't rocket science about whether defamation even via a sock puppet (like how Barbara Camwell is using Mary McGrannahan to post her campaign for her), or whether cyber stalking or cyber bullying is a crime. It's that most of the time the other victims don't find each other to do anything substantial with it. It sounds like Guardian you have a gathering for the makings of a group law suit now that you are weaving together a growing list of Barbara Camwell victims. Of course, the stalkers feel like they will get away with it because in the past they have. There is no genuine fear about getting caught nor do many of them bother to research what awards are being granted to even know how much trouble they can get into. Considering Camwell is running the Cyberpaths group, you'd think she'd be a little more hip on the law about this than she is.
Since the exposure of Barbara Camwell on this thread, I did a little of my own research about what is happening in cyber stalking law. It's amazing how quickly it has picked up over the last few years, even more jaw dropping how much the awards are.
Free speech? This isn't like saying you disagree with something in The Constitution or taxes being hiked. That's free speech. One look at the cockroach site (and Mary's talking about herself of course--so appropriate she chose cockroach---comes out, craps on everything, then runs under a rock) is to see that Kesters ability to earn a living has been hampered. That's more than free speech. That's called AWARD DAMAGES. And there is debtors prison as Plan B. It's called JAIL when you can't pay. You pay one way or the other.
(HELLO??!!)
Why is it always the low reality-based 'IQ' people who do this? I mean if they really had a reality-based IQ they would research what is likely to happen to them for going that far. Too late now for a wake up call...they created a trail around the globe in cyber space!
This isn't rocket science about whether defamation even via a sock puppet (like how Barbara Camwell is using Mary McGrannahan to post her campaign for her), or whether cyber stalking or cyber bullying is a crime. It's that most of the time the other victims don't find each other to do anything substantial with it. It sounds like Guardian you have a gathering for the makings of a group law suit now that you are weaving together a growing list of Barbara Camwell victims. Of course, the stalkers feel like they will get away with it because in the past they have. There is no genuine fear about getting caught nor do many of them bother to research what awards are being granted to even know how much trouble they can get into. Considering Camwell is running the Cyberpaths group, you'd think she'd be a little more hip on the law about this than she is.
Since the exposure of Barbara Camwell on this thread, I did a little of my own research about what is happening in cyber stalking law. It's amazing how quickly it has picked up over the last few years, even more jaw dropping how much the awards are.
Free speech? This isn't like saying you disagree with something in The Constitution or taxes being hiked. That's free speech. One look at the cockroach site (and Mary's talking about herself of course--so appropriate she chose cockroach---comes out, craps on everything, then runs under a rock) is to see that Kesters ability to earn a living has been hampered. That's more than free speech. That's called AWARD DAMAGES. And there is debtors prison as Plan B. It's called JAIL when you can't pay. You pay one way or the other.
(HELLO??!!)
Why is it always the low reality-based 'IQ' people who do this? I mean if they really had a reality-based IQ they would research what is likely to happen to them for going that far. Too late now for a wake up call...they created a trail around the globe in cyber space!
Buddy
The Living Force
Re: Exposing Online Predators & Cyberpaths
Man I would sure love to see a website displaying a full listing of successful defamation suits filed by genuine victims of libel and defamation. Maybe it would encourage others to follow suit (pun intended) and put some serious brakes on certain repeat offending idiots.
Man I would sure love to see a website displaying a full listing of successful defamation suits filed by genuine victims of libel and defamation. Maybe it would encourage others to follow suit (pun intended) and put some serious brakes on certain repeat offending idiots.
Guardian
The Cosmic Force
Re: Exposing Online Predators & Cyberpaths
Might not be a bad idea since this really is a hot issue. Balancing the right of Free Speech with the rights of individuals not to be Cyberstalked by on-line by attention seeking scum like Barbara Ness is something that can only be decided in the courts.
Right now, Barbara Ness is circulating a "$5000.00 Reward" notice asking for any information about my "Immediate Family Member's Names Including Spouse, Parents, Children and Partners" INCLUDING their "Whereabouts"
Barbara Ness is using her EOPC website to help a man who sold sex tours to Asia HUNT DOWN MY PARENTS and CHILDREN.
I really don't think this is what "Free Speech" was designed to protect? The "man" who originally posted this noticed couldn't be prosecuted because he hid and couldn't be found for service. He also blamed it on a "dead woman" we later found never existed. Well I KNOW where Barbara Ness is, and she and EVERYONE associted with that site are going to answer for their actions.
What Barbara Camwell Ness and EOPC are doing now goes wayyyyy beyond defamation.... they are publicly soliciting private information about my family, with the clearly implied intent of doing them harm.
If they just wanted my contact info for service or other LEGAL action, they could look it up in the white pages. I don't hide my identity, never have...so their "Reward" offer is a clear attempt to threaten my family. All because I used this "man's" website to promote a bill that made leaving the country for the express purpose of having sex with minors a felony. That bill did become law BTW.
The fact that Barbara Ness's husband Andrew Ness, who lives in the same house, is a VP at Moody's Corp. in New York makes this even more serious. The wife of a VP at Moody's is circulating a "Reward" for information about my family...and Moody's has access to what kind of data about people?
Bud said:
Might not be a bad idea since this really is a hot issue. Balancing the right of Free Speech with the rights of individuals not to be Cyberstalked by on-line by attention seeking scum like Barbara Ness is something that can only be decided in the courts.
Right now, Barbara Ness is circulating a "$5000.00 Reward" notice asking for any information about my "Immediate Family Member's Names Including Spouse, Parents, Children and Partners" INCLUDING their "Whereabouts"
Barbara Ness is using her EOPC website to help a man who sold sex tours to Asia HUNT DOWN MY PARENTS and CHILDREN.
I really don't think this is what "Free Speech" was designed to protect? The "man" who originally posted this noticed couldn't be prosecuted because he hid and couldn't be found for service. He also blamed it on a "dead woman" we later found never existed. Well I KNOW where Barbara Ness is, and she and EVERYONE associted with that site are going to answer for their actions.
What Barbara Camwell Ness and EOPC are doing now goes wayyyyy beyond defamation.... they are publicly soliciting private information about my family, with the clearly implied intent of doing them harm.
If they just wanted my contact info for service or other LEGAL action, they could look it up in the white pages. I don't hide my identity, never have...so their "Reward" offer is a clear attempt to threaten my family. All because I used this "man's" website to promote a bill that made leaving the country for the express purpose of having sex with minors a felony. That bill did become law BTW.
The fact that Barbara Ness's husband Andrew Ness, who lives in the same house, is a VP at Moody's Corp. in New York makes this even more serious. The wife of a VP at Moody's is circulating a "Reward" for information about my family...and Moody's has access to what kind of data about people?
Buddy
The Living Force
Re: Exposing Online Predators & Cyberpaths
I see. Interesting that they don't just hire a P.I. to gather the info discretely. What you describe is also a well used, often successful, intimidation tactic. Possibly intended to either stop you or make you emotional enough to make a mistake they can seize on, so be extremely careful.
Guardian said:
I see. Interesting that they don't just hire a P.I. to gather the info discretely. What you describe is also a well used, often successful, intimidation tactic. Possibly intended to either stop you or make you emotional enough to make a mistake they can seize on, so be extremely careful.
Guardian
The Cosmic Force
Re: Exposing Online Predators & Cyberpaths
I'm guessing because I don't hide who I am at all? I've been using the same Internet ID "Guardian" for 25+ years and I've always signed my name to everything I write? My phone number is not "unlisted" and you can just look me up in the phone book?
I hear ya Bud, thanks. The thing is that I've been through all this before, MANY times. The kid's a grown adult now, and he shoots better than I do ... 'cause he can see better LOL. God help them if they tangle with my Mom and Dad.
What's funny is that when the Wheeler's first posted that Reward Notice, I sent them ALL my contact information, including detailed directions to my house, told him I'd be happy to meet him at any time... and claimed the "$5000.00 Reward"
Needless to say, he never paid me. Somewhere on my site there's an article entitled "Bill Wheeler owes me $5000.00" :P
I am Norse. If someone has something they want to say to me, I will be happy to meet them face to face, anytime and just about any place other than their home. If someone wanted to serve me with papers, I wouldn't dodge that either. I wouldn't even make the Sheriff serve me, I'd stop by his office and sign for whatever they had....which is considered polite around here.
When Barbara Ness and Mary Mcgrannahan wrote that they didn't know my name, I immediately gave it to them, along with a link to my website and then I explained the little "Search" feature in the upper right hand portion of their screen....because they're idiots.
One of the major Cyberstalker "tells" is that they try to hide their identities. They attack in ways that can't be traced back to them...in essence, they refuse to take responsibility for what they say and do. At their core they're cowards.
When this whole mess does hit the legal system, I think Barbara will try to lay it all on Mary...or someone else?
Bud said:
I'm guessing because I don't hide who I am at all? I've been using the same Internet ID "Guardian" for 25+ years and I've always signed my name to everything I write? My phone number is not "unlisted" and you can just look me up in the phone book?
I hear ya Bud, thanks. The thing is that I've been through all this before, MANY times. The kid's a grown adult now, and he shoots better than I do ... 'cause he can see better LOL. God help them if they tangle with my Mom and Dad.
What's funny is that when the Wheeler's first posted that Reward Notice, I sent them ALL my contact information, including detailed directions to my house, told him I'd be happy to meet him at any time... and claimed the "$5000.00 Reward"
Needless to say, he never paid me. Somewhere on my site there's an article entitled "Bill Wheeler owes me $5000.00" :P
I am Norse. If someone has something they want to say to me, I will be happy to meet them face to face, anytime and just about any place other than their home. If someone wanted to serve me with papers, I wouldn't dodge that either. I wouldn't even make the Sheriff serve me, I'd stop by his office and sign for whatever they had....which is considered polite around here.
When Barbara Ness and Mary Mcgrannahan wrote that they didn't know my name, I immediately gave it to them, along with a link to my website and then I explained the little "Search" feature in the upper right hand portion of their screen....because they're idiots.
One of the major Cyberstalker "tells" is that they try to hide their identities. They attack in ways that can't be traced back to them...in essence, they refuse to take responsibility for what they say and do. At their core they're cowards.
When this whole mess does hit the legal system, I think Barbara will try to lay it all on Mary...or someone else?
Buddy
The Living Force
Re: Exposing Online Predators & Cyberpaths
I meant the info about your family. Sorry for the lack of clarity.
Then you are more prepared than I realized. That's good.
I could tell. Some of my own ancestry traces back to Northwestern Germany and Scandinavia and Iceland, so I understand the above to be "normal" behavior. It's much more frustrating when you can't just handle things in a direct manner. Some people seem to be in love with their covert-criminal sides. Makes 'em feel 'speshul' somehow, in a "I'm above having to work" kinda way, I think.
I don't see anything I can do to help, so here's some encouragement: Go girl! You da bomb!
Guardian said:
I meant the info about your family. Sorry for the lack of clarity.
Guardian said:
Then you are more prepared than I realized. That's good.
Guardian said:
I could tell. Some of my own ancestry traces back to Northwestern Germany and Scandinavia and Iceland, so I understand the above to be "normal" behavior. It's much more frustrating when you can't just handle things in a direct manner. Some people seem to be in love with their covert-criminal sides. Makes 'em feel 'speshul' somehow, in a "I'm above having to work" kinda way, I think.
I don't see anything I can do to help, so here's some encouragement: Go girl! You da bomb!
Re: Exposing Online Predators & Cyberpaths
Yes, it is theoretically possible. I could file suit and, upon winning, have any sites that carry the defamation blocked from the EU.
But it is a lot easier if the person is in Europe...
Guardian said:
Yes, it is theoretically possible. I could file suit and, upon winning, have any sites that carry the defamation blocked from the EU.
But it is a lot easier if the person is in Europe...