goyacobol said:
SeekinTruth said:
Yeah, it's just semantics at this point. Like alkhemst wrote above, the totality of the Cosmos - all experiences, events, realities, perceptions, etc., etc. - IS objective reality. It might also help to look at all this from a non-personal point of view. For example if you or I were never born, everything would still work the same way generally in the Universe. In other words, the way the Universe works is the way the Universe works whether we know it or not - THAT'S objective reality. Our challenge is to learn more and more how the Universe DOES work....
SeekinTruth,
I think the "totality" that you mention is the important part that we should consider. The more "information" we have the less "entropy" and more "objectivity". I think this ties in with "Information Theory" as described in Pierre and Laura's book Earth Changes and the Human Cosmic Connection: The Secret History of the World - Book 3 by Pierre Lescaudron; Laura Knight-Jadczyk .
Here is an excerpt from CHAPTER 38: INFORMATION THEORY & CONSCIOUSNESS:
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It's kind of like "information"/knowledge protects us from "entropy" and "chaos". Information creates order and structure.
@goyacobol,
Yup, that was what I was trying to get at. Basically, we are information receivers and transmitters. I tend to think that information is king - it's the most sensible / reasonable way to explain the Cosmos. We lack knowledge and understanding, and thus Being. As we increase our Being (which can't be done at the snap of our fingers), we can contain more knowledge (where it doesn't follow that we gain knowledge in one area and lose it in another because our capacity to contain knowledge is limited by our Being - ignorance increasing in some areas to balance the increased knowledge in other areas of our limited Being) and increase our understanding of the knowledge we do possess.
As our Being grows, we can actually receive and transmit MORE information, and I think the information-driven entropy overrides the energy-driven entropy more and more. I would think our objective reason would also grow and develop (and I believe even more so if we choose to switch to STO in 4th Density, as we wouldn't be limited by our wishful thinking and obsession of controlling that which cannot be controlled - i.e. the creation process).
What concerns the Perfect Universe, STS and STO, balance, free will, etc., how can the Universe not be perfect, and how can we know better than the Universe how things should be? I can't get my head around this kind of thinking. That said, the Universe is
imperfectly perfect, it seems. If it were perfectly perfect, there would be no point to anything and no process of perfection. Same with balance. The Universe is about balance. But it is never in perfect balance, I imagine. Rather it is always coming into balance, as a process. If it ever reached perfect balance, it would lead to stagnation, becoming static rather than dynamic.
Reading and trying to understand the fundamental / basic material recommended on this forum is very important. At this point, it's not that difficult for me to understand that STS and STO cannot exist without each other. There would be no "flow", so to speak, if there was no reverse flow. It's analogous to electricity. The poles and the potential differential have to exist for the current to flow. If STO is limitless creation, a spiral wave of ever expanding and all encompassing creative energy, then without STS, there would be no way of anything "desiring" to come back to source. Just like electricity, certain conditions are required for any current of electrons to flow, at least on 3D as far as we know. Also, there would be no free will, without the choice of service. I can't conceive of how there could be a creative process without free will.
Which brings us to some of the other recent posts. I also can't seem to conceive there being any omniscient (all-knowing), or omnipotent (all-powerful) Being. Nor that everything is already predetermined. How would that all work? What would be the point of anything? We can confirm that chance plays a major role in life and the universe around us. That seems to be the mechanism of having an open, free will Universe, with an open future, rather than a predetermined one.
Without any of those elements, how could any creative process work? Even the "Creator" has to have free will to create or not to create for it to BE a process of creating, no? If there's no choice, then either nothing would come into existence, in other words "God" would remain all-potential, but not manifest, or everything would have predetermined existence were there was no choice in how anything turned out. That would also imply no purpose or meaning to anything.
It reminds me of what Gurdjieff said about praying. He said of course prayer can give results if one knows how to pray, just like anything else. If, as is so common, one prays "please God, make so 2 + 2 doesn't equal 4," then of course, we'd get no results. As, even if "God" wanted to make it so, "He" couldn't because 2 + 2 equaling 4 is part of the laws upon which "He" creates and maintains the Universe. All this has been covered comprehensively in Laura written works, by G, and lots of the other recommended reading.
Even with our very limited knowledge, understanding, and being, we can still grasp certain things and put a probability on them being true, or close to truth. Or so I think. Any explanation about how the Universe works can't be illogical. Like the monotheistic dogma that there's an all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good "God" but that "evil" exists. Even if the premise of a cosmology is wrong, but the logic is sound, it would be easier to accept (until one becomes aware of the premise being wrong) than one that violates the laws of logic. That's another thing I can't get my head around: that an illogical "Creator" would create an illogical Universe. If that were the case, then 2 + 2 would not equal 4. But even for those of us who are "math impaired", we can comprehend basic arithmetic and also confirm it by simple exercises that go beyond adding 2 and 2 on paper. Like taking two apples and adding two more apples, and counting that we now have four apples for confirmation. I think we have our work cut out for us trying to figure so many things out, that I can't bring myself to waste time on thinking that I know how things SHOULD be. I make the reasonable assumption that everything IS as it should be. Our job is to figure out what our choices are and what our role is to be in the overall scheme of things: at this stage, while we do have important roles to play, we really should keep in mind that we have very miniscule roles and impact, even though every little bit does play its role....
Anyhow, I hope this helps some people orient a bit better in what small choices we DO have. I've been contemplating all this for a few decades, and have come to have better ways of articulating it all because of the work being done here, but understanding, while having improved, is still quite limited, so I hope it wasn't too useless an exercise to have written it out as simply as possible for others to get something out of it if they choose.
