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back on track here and return to the sequence of posts to the list:
your perception of the nature and workings of this list seems to be
distorted. From experience, slamming, flameing or skewering is not tolerated
by anyone on this list. The reaction that you received from members
of the group was due ONLY to your insistence on discussing the merits
of information that had been concluded to be more disinfo than anything
else. Theories about the nature of 3D reality are the topic of discussion
on the list, with a view to coming to a conclusion about them. Once
a conclusion has been reached, unless some new info comes to light,
they are not later dragged up again to be re-dissected.
that you attended a lecture by Anna Hayes' husband is, I suspect, welcomed
by other list members, in fact this type of information gathering is
what is actively promoted here. The only qualification to that would
be that the potential value to be obtained from attending such a lecture
would depend on the mindset with which you approach the material offered
by the speaker. If for example you go with the sole intention of having
your existing beliefs bolstered, then the potential for gleaning new
knowledge or a deeper understanding would be limited. Naturally, since
the objective of the discussions on the list is to get to the bottom
of things, an objective attitude in such a case is always preferred.
Which it seems that you maintained when you were there. Glad to have
MJ's post and thought, "I've just been called a first grader."
Am I offended?
No, but I don't find it very appealing. I don't think we are dealing
with "breaking rules" here. It is more about respect for the group's
I read G and participated in this group I did not quite understand what
an aim meant. As a matter of fact, I am still thinking about what it
means, and it is a rather serious thing. It is not a goal, that one
may miss, and just brush it off, and think better luck next time.
one will stumble in pursuit of that aim, but the aim remains and one
deliberately sets out to realign oneself to continue that pursuit. As
a group member I believe it is my responsibility to support the group's
aim to the best of my ability. That is what I have chosen to do, and
it fits in with my own aim.
first joined, I still didn't quite get it, but after a bit of observation
and participation it did sink in, (or so I think) and there where many
here who helped in the process.
time with the group I have seen several who never bothered or did not
want to contribute to an already established aim and support that aim.
In fact, they seem more interested in their own agenda with little respect
for those who are already here and what had already been built. These
people always seem to follow the same pattern and even repeat some of
the same terms and phrases. They did not like the terms and phrases
we have defined and agreed upon, which we use as a platform that we
continue to refine and expand.
can understand when someone is new, and they don't quite understand
what it is we are trying to do, and I have witnessed almost infinite
patience with others here. But sometimes someone comes along who is
not interested in this process, and thinking with a hammer.
been reading these threads and trying to understand what happened. Most
of it went right over my head except for the understanding that there
was something in MJ's post that triggered it. I finally began to get
it this morning and SM's post made it all gel. Geez, I am really slow.
So though it has been a diversion it has certainly been a lesson for
me to see it unfold. Thank you.
wrote: It seems to me that there are major transitions trying
to unfold in many of us here and suddenly there is this
diversion of energies. I am not in the camp that it is purposeful
on any one's part but perhaps some of us have been used to
divert energy from the dynamic that was taking place with
Mouravieff's material. I do not doubt that there is also a
lesson in all of it for me and others but it is almost making
me mad to see the excitement I had with this material
become so diluted with what seems to me to be obvious matrix tinkering.
But then I am new at identifying these things and I may have
it all wrong.
wrote: No CJ, you are "seeing."
Definitely, it has happened before and will again.
think of such people as sleepers; they join the list, post an introductory
post which sounds just great and then they lurk for a while. Then,
at the appointed time, when "the manipulators" decide that
a bit of discord needs to be sown on the list, they "plug them
in" so to speak, and disruption is the result.
killer in it all is that the sleeper is not even aware that it is happening
and defends their actions as if they were their own.
in case anyone thinks I'm up on a high horse here, I realise that this
is a process that we are all victims of as denziens of 3D. We all constantly
defend viewpoints and opinions that we believe to be our own when in
reality they were "forced" upon us. However the difference
is that, most people are just passively running the programmes of the
predators mind, in contrast, those that are prompted to force this
view on others, either on list or in any public forum, have been "switched
on", which might belie a weaker resistance to STS or even a leaning
towards that orientation, and are true "vectors of attack"
serving the predators agenda.
At this point,
exactly what JQ described, happened:
wrote: None of this was an attack on MJ directly or indirectly.
However, at this point, in the interests of learning - and I do
not for a moment think that MJ is interested in my views
here, so this is not for her. Her cup is already full.
HI! From one of the lurkers who rarely posts, but is a faithful member
so much here that starting is a bit difficult (one of the troubles
with remaining silent so often, I suppose), but Laura you asked for
feedback, and so I'm offering some. Take or leave as you see fit, naturally.
may agree with you, personally, that MJ likely has a full cup and has
difficulty finding interest in anything you have to say due to that
status, this statement by you is what I call a "conduit".
Much as the C's use the term, in fact.
conduits of same" is one of the C's instructions when talking
of attacks, and this statement of yours, Laura, I see as an opener -
a conduit of attack. A way in... to you.
that you put it there, and I suspect it was done so in defense because
"you are right to state your claim on what you know and not take
any nonsense", but that would have to be your call. Again imo,
THIS is how we "create our own reality" without realizing
this suspicion is incorrect, and its incorrecteness reflects in the
rest of the post. It was not a "defense" step. It was a
"duty" of the list moderator. It was from "responsibility."
We are here, Ark and Laura, and we have responsibility to those who
come to us. Yes, we have responsibility to "teach". Some
people do not like it, they think they have the "right"
to use this list according to their likes. Well, this is not the case.
Also we intervene in rather rare cases, nevertheless, once in a while,
we do it. And it is not in "defense". It is from "responsibility".
There are many open discussion lists where there is no "goal."
This is list is different. There is a goal: to learn and to progress.
We, Laura and I, are learning too, and thanks for that to all list
members. But when we see that the process of learning is being disrupted
- we take the minimal necessary steps to fix it. In doing this we
can make a mistake - that's for sure. But you missed this persepective
while what you say of her may be true, the reality of its truth is
for her decide, not you. You cannot be an authority on her and expect
no one or thing in the universe to attempt to be your authority in
return - you've invited an attack here.
Again, this is not about being authority. This is about being responsible
for this list and for the way energies on this list are being diverted.
Some people are coming here to work and to learn and to contribute
and to progress. But when someone comes here with a "full cup",
and it is for list owners to decide whether this is the case or not,
then some kind of action is needed - out of responsibility for other
members who are here to work."]
yourself as "the one in the know" about HER stuff - that
is an energy suck and give. Whatever she has presented, that has sparked
that comment from you, somehow TOOK energy from you, and you're staking
your claim on your energies in response (defending against the unseen
attack)... in an imbalanced manner, imo.
others to become your authority when you clamp the lid on the story
of their issues and choose to think of yourself as an authority on
them. In my opinion, and not meant in any way as an attack.
I can say
of another that it SEEMS they are doing this or that, and it SEEMS
that they have this or that issue... but these perceptions are for
MY edification, actually, and I can pretty much drop "them"
once I realize this. THEY are not my problem. They have appeared, perfectly
timed, to show me MY issue - by mirroring it for me in such a way as
to push my button.
no button is pushed, evidenced by no need to make claims on who they
are as though I'm their authority, or react with any other "pushing"
response... then I am not being mirrored by them in any way and all
is well - water off a duck.)
If we can
wake up to the flow in us that causes us to strike out at "other"
in that moment, and redirect it - again in that moment - to Self, an
opportunity to clear another conduit of attack is suddenly presented
of the issue's existence in us lies in what we FELT whether we voiced
it or not, actually. If I have an INTERNAL response (judgement being
one of the most common) to what someone else says, I have something
to learn in the situation. If I choose to think that what I'm learning
is to set boundaries and push that person away for any reason, I've
missed the lesson.
fall away without a struggle when I've truly cleared what they're mirroring
for me. "The illusion exists for us for as long as we need it
to" (paraphrase of the C's), not the other way around. It matters
not at all what another wants with us, if we have no linchpin in us
that keeps them clinging to us, they will fall away and we will move
on without hinderance. That's how this realm works. But we really need
to know ourselves in order to make use of this powerful truth of this
energy that we didn't want to identify as a personal problem, preferring
instead to be right about "them" and point fingers... was
our clue that this was all about "me, me, me". If we DO
choose to lash out (defined as any effort on our part to control who
they are, including labels of judgement), we've invited that self- lesson
into our experience at a slightly more painful degree (it just gained
momentum, or energy, through our denial).
will likely occur in manifest form this time, meaning in the guise
of an interaction with this realm that has more "weight" and
therefore can produce more pain, instead of just in energetic form
the opportunity to clear it before it made serious waves in our lives,
but we didn't see it, missed it, or chose to deny it. So now it gains
force and "strikes us" in a more painful way. The longer
an issue goes unnoticed, with opportunity after opportunity to face
it occuring in our daily lives, the more painful our circumstances
will get in this particular regard.
in my opinion, from my particular point of view, which I realize is
slightly different than most on this list and why I rarely post. It
is offered in love and with gratitude for all you've provided me over
the last couple years, Laura. If you find nothing of value in it, so
be it. On the other hand, if you or others find cause to take me to
task for it or respond with that ice bucket, I'm game, btw :-) Have
at it! LOL! ~Sue Lu
It seems to me that there are major transitions trying to unfold
in many of us here and suddenly there is this diversion
of energies. I am not in the camp that it is purposeful on any
one's part but perhaps some of us have been used to divert energy
from the dynamic that was taking place with Mouravieff's
material. I do not doubt that there is also a lesson in all
of it for me and others but it is almost making me mad to see
the excitement I had with this material become so diluted
with what seems to me to be obvious matrix tinkering. But
then I am new at identifying these things and I may have it all wrong.
Sue Lu here...
posts in one day, whodathunk?
In my view,
energies were set in motion to which the matrix has responded, and
so this is not "diversion" from an outside force so much
as a necessary meandering likely DUE to the Mouravieff material, as
it mixes with the total sum of energies in this group.
In my view
we are the creators of our experiences, though often unconsciously...
as opposed to being victims of something outside our creative abilities.
This is not in line with many thinkers and writers, I realize, but
I have yet to see a single situation of pain or strife occur that did
not have it's "starter fluid" in the individual(s) to which
the event occurred.
offended at this view, calling it "blaming the victim", but
my point is that there are no victims. There are only hidden energies
in the form of emotions that limit and false beliefs from which we
create our context for lessons. Being in this density where the heavier
frequencies dominate, our hidden stuff has more power to create, at
here that this is coming from someone who has been raped, beaten to
within inches of her life, mugged at knifepoint, verbally, mentally,
emotionally, sexually and physically abused in this lifetime - I mention
all that to press the point that I DO know what it's like living on
this orb and have experienced many "victimizing" situations.
I don't say any of this casually or without experience.
and real light came for me when I recognized that these events were
FOR MY DESTINY and self-created in some tangible ways, not forced upon
me by some unknown or even known assailant. The work was for me to
learn to see the unseen in myself, and how it acted as the creating
force in my life events.
is designed to "solidify" our heaviest energies, in fact
(the matrix, once again). So until we really know ourselves and clear
our hidden factors, our experiences are created by ourselves without
our conscious understanding, through these hidden conduits. We literally
"call to ourselves" the events that explicate what's lying
hidden within us.
what may be happening here. In my experience, whenever a new concept
is introduced to functioning, thinking and intent-on-growth individuals,
it acts as a catalyst. So that a "real time opportunity",
to put into practice the very concept just introduced, is suddenly
in self are mostly emotion-based, feeding limited thinking, imo. When
a "higher mind" concept comes our way, the first thing it
will do is jostle and break loose some of the denser energies in our
energetic selves, often emotional in nature. We experience it as discomfort,
conflict in our interactions, physical accidents and pain. Some with
enough awareness will experience it as evidence of fear, however mild
or strong, and with that recognition, get to work resolving it to the
light of understanding and release.
it's something "else" that's "outside us", a predatory
force of some kind NOT of our making, leaves us with little to do but
defend. Not very empowering, nor accurate, in my view.
there may well BE an individual or group (like 4D STS, for instance)
who siezes the opportunity to jump in and make our life hell... but
my point is that we invited them through our hidden parts. The existence
of the discord, static or conflict is an opportunity for learning.
When looked at that way, not pushed away as annoying, offensive or
unwanted, we open ourselves to new creative solutions that can move
us further along on the path.
my opinion, naturally, with no intent to force it on anyone. Just some
stuff to consider.
wrote: None of this was an attack on MJ directly or indirectly.
However, at this point, in the interests of learning - and I do
not for a moment think that MJ is interested in my views
here, so this is not for her. Her cup is already full.
Sue Lu here: Heh heh... HI! From one of the lurkers who rarely
posts, but is a faithful member nonetheless! :-) <snip>
[Moderator: Again, this is not about being authority. This is about
being responsible for this list and for the way energies on this
list are being diverted. Some people are coming here to
work and to learn and to contribute and to progress. But
when someone comes here with a "full cup", and
it is for list owners to decide whether this is the case or not,
then some kind of action is needed - out of responsibility for
other members who are here to work."] <SNIP>
Apparently I've overstepped my bounds in this post and that wasn't
my intention, but it appears it was the result.
Not really. You just did not take into account certain parameters
that group "organizers" must have take into account - if
they are serious about the project. And we ARE serious.]
my post, I can see that there are many other better ways to word what
I was trying to say, and it appears my choice of words acted as red
Again, you are still missing the point, it was not your choice of
words. It was lack of knowledge and lack of experience. You have your
knowledge and your experience, so what you said could pretty well
apply to yourself. But you did not have knowledge and experience that
WE have, and you have not the "duty" of creating, organizing
and taking care of this particular group.]
are my own, I admit freely, but are not meant as judgements of any
kind. Nor do I personally see them so oppositionally, as it seems the
moderator has. There is a meeting point, in my sense of things, but
I have failed to reveal it, unfortunately.
I am not seeing it oppositionally. I am seeng it as an example of
reasoning based on insufficient data (though these data were available
to you), yet they were not evident, and that is due to a different
role, and also, partly, due to the fact that, as you wrote, you are
mostly a "lurker", which means that your interests are mostly
is entirely my own, due to my inability to unify two functioning, effective
applications of the C's material harmoniously.
I use in my own life to free myself of my own blindspots and resulting
pain (derived through various sources but crystalized through the C's
material and Laura's incredible body of work) have worked well for
me. I merely shared the hard line I take with myself, using Laura's
statement as the example.
my apologies. I did say take or leave as you see fit, and I meant that.
Sincerely, Sue Lu
a little arbirary rule or attitude that I constantly apply: 90% of what
happens to me is contributed by my hidden stuff. The other 10%----is
was good for the 90%; but it may not apply that easily to the 10%.
(In response to the post on Lying)
this elaboration, I agree. On a personal level (my hot button), attack
CAN have the sense of righteuous indignation, which I consider an type
"A" influence. Of course, "NO" has to be backed by one's full beingness.
And NO works for the 90% of type A we do to ourselves and the 10% type
"A" that is "unfathomable".
If we have
the attitude of attack toward the 90% of "A" that is our own creation,
we may generate an atmosphere of internal aggression to ourselves, which
is not, in my experience, very healthy. This harks back to the issue
of working and waiting vs. pushing.
of the M. passages there was the allusion to the fact that pushing too
hard when not ready can bring on madness.
I sense we are having a word battle here while the intent of our words
are in harmony.
for your response. I remain in learning mode, as always, yet it's been
my experience, and confirmed through recapitulation of these past 40
years, that 100% of what happens to me is sourced within me. I am the
perfect center, the micro of the macro. Any other view dissipates the
power center and creates separation, dissention and illusion.
exists without consciousness to perceive it" is, to my mind, a
precise way of saying that everything I perceive, I perceive because
I perceive it... if it's not in me, I won't see it "out there".
And from that recognition I turn inward to see just why it is that
I see/experience the things I do. Sure enough, the source is in me.
realm I chose to focus my consciousness within for this duration is
merely that: an illusion populated with the actors I chose to play
the roles I needed for my lessons. Lessons I chose to experience while
here. I'm the script writer, the producer, the director and really,
the only actor... projecting parts of me into other forms outside of
me when I cannot clearly see the force of this or that lying hidden
well be that I have a blind spot here, and I'm working diligently to
discover it through meditation as well as more recapitualting, using
these last few days of my present as a launching pad. :-)
It is my
understanding, at this point, that all that exists in form is illusory,
for the purposes of edification. And I am the source of my illusory
experiences. All of them. If "As Above, So Below" works at
all, to my mind there cannot be the discrepancy of anything outside
the realm of my own creation.
said, I'm open to seeing things differently, though I admit a difficulty
because this view came with diligence on a growth path that has caused
me to let go of absolutely everything in order to hold the world in
my creative hands. :-)
the same time that I say all of that, I know I'm not done by any means,
and I still have much work to do, and that is where the room in my
cup lies. And I have identified it as "room for growth",
offers up her sacred cows* Sue Lu
S in GB
wrote: CJ seems to be pointing out a phenomena
that occurs periodically in this group and has been discussed as
something significant to be observed when it occurs, and which can
be "a drag".
wrote: << In my view we are the creators of our experiences, though
often unconsciously... as opposed to being victims of something outside
our creative abilities >>
seems to be pointing out the personal lessons side of things which,
of course is valid info but as we know, this is only one half of the
there is equal value given to external realities, then there is danger
of falling into the cyor. stance and IMO in this situation it's definitely
not a case of laura needing to do some more work on "her stuff".
influences are very much "out there" although of course our inner weaknesses
do attract somewhat in a reciprocal way it's blows. However much inner
work we do we cannot totally escape their influences until we're alot
further along the way (like 4d?)
the more we align ourselves correctly, the more kick back is to be expected
and only by standing up to these challenges in some kind of active engagement,
can we hope to "transcend" them. This kick back can be seen as becoming
more glaringly obvious, or more subtle, but it's kick back.
our attracting these kicks by our state of development, there is truth
in this, but even if their nature changes, these "attacks" do not just
go away. It' s a big world out there, and alot of our (human) problems
are due to the fact that we have not been able to make these very important
distinctions in energy alignment (sto/sts) and how it operates.
we truly know, the more we will be challenged and the more others express
their "lack" of knowledge in a certain area (in a challenging way) on
a list such as this, the more it is necessary to challenge their ideas.
a case, the one doing the challenging would not be in fear of being
wounded/harmed by others/events as their awareness has grown beyond
this stage. As Laura described in the transcript just posted :
Well, what precipitated that activity?
A: Ions charged by awareness opening in window of EM envelope, used
to precipitate physical trauma in immediate surroundings. "Used to"
refers to past tense.
Q: (L) Okay, so in the past, this kind of opening of a window in the
A: You have elevated.
<< As Illion
pointed out: Real understanding in spiritual matters is the result of
much bitter fighting, of suffering, spiritual agony and soul passion.
Life itself would have no meaning if there was no fighting on all planes,
if all was smooth and monotonous. Everything fights in nature. Constant
struggle on all planes to which it has access is the birthright of the
creature. Woe to him who wants to put himself on a level with the Creator
and escape fighting! >>
this also refers to struggle which necessitates "fighting" of a kind
with others, but this fighting is with ideas.
and Ark, again IMHO, are not ordinary people. They have advanced a lot
further along the path than probably all of us here. Anyone who accesses
their material and begins to get an idea of what they are really doing
can see that it is a battle out there, and this battle revolves around
definitions of ideas and concepts.
this phenomena is going to occur here in this group as words are the
medium through which a greater understanding of truth is attempting
to be described. For those who have become familiar with the flow of
consciousness on this list they can see that this is a very organic
process happening here and there is a certain amount of humility in
the realization that as already stated, L and A are in many ways, a
lot further along this path.
(Sue Lu) who have not deeply recognized this fact, it can be assumed
that just jumping in without a large background of awareness as to just
what sort of depth material has already been explored will put oneself
on some kind of equal footing with them and others and a "we're all
buddies" kind of attitude can rule their interaction on the list.
is, this is playing the old game of if we' re just nice to each other
somehow we'll all mesh in one homogeneous understanding of everything.
seem to work that way. We are all at different levels of awareness and
have all been programmed in various ways. It is this programming where
the fight must take place, both within and without, using words in an
attempt to keep re-defining and making more concrete what are often
very particular and subtle definitions of ideas that underpin this quest
for sto truth
feels "under attack", this is most certainly not the case here. It is
the ideas/attitudes that is coming through them that are under attack.
Or rather they are being "resisted" and rightly so, as this is the only
way we can cut through the forest and carve out the fine details of
the path being sought.
that Laura has been through the alchemical process described and her
work and that of those who choose to follow a similar path, is therefore
an endeavour to further clarify and affirm one's alignment with that
which has been discovered through much struggle, to be truth.
"overcome" the challenges of one's own programmed personality, one can
appear as a beacon to others or a thorn in their side if they cannot
yet see the difference as to where they are at the moment in terms of
evolution and where this other person is.
can see their own position relative to another, IMHO, great progess
can be made in a short time by honest evaluation of oneself. However,
as all are at different stages, and all can be conduits of attack, it
is very helpful to remember B**'s words that no-one here is personally
attacked, it is their ideas that must be reflected and if need be actively
resisted in order for us all to gain greater clarity and strengthen
our understanding of what really has any value or not.
not a game, sto don't play chess.
in UK wrote: L and A are in many ways, alot further along this path.
it is so or not - we can't know. The proof of the pudding is in the
we do know is that there are not so many "marriages of science
and mysticism" that are out there available to serve those who
seek such a service on their own path.
we do is: we decided to serve, to give what we have, to share and to
work so as to take our service to a higher and higher level.
marriage of science and mysticism Cassiopaea is rather unique. It combines
open mind with scientific criticism, it combines, or tries to combine,
physics and mathematics, and space science with love and with human
compassion. It tries to develop esoteric ideas of the past with modern
knowledge and with modern experiences of alien abductions and glimpses
of the matrix system.
we succeed or not - is an open question. But one thing is sure: we will
not succeed alone, without help, without support, without networking,
without working together. It is a group effort, and if we succeed -
many will succeed.
Laura are what makes this list work. I've seen so many groups, not only
Internet based but in "real Life" go bad because inevitably some bozo
wants to take over the group in his or her image. While it is possible
to say this is censorship, depending on your perspective, it does show
the committment to the ideas of STO.
perspective, when someone wants to do the "good work" there's always
somebody or group that wants to destroy it by in general attacking the
messenger personally. This is the number one clue to their perspective.
Just as similar, we hear the "why are you attacking me? All I did was
make a statement."
analysis is possible if the list members are constantly bickering among
themselves over fluff. The matrix knows that and as Laura has said "Mouravieff
is right: they get more and more subtle."
so crazy is that a person could not be aware of the program, but runs
it anyway. The effort needed is 24/7 and most of us don't have the "time."
I suppose that if I don't do it now, I'll have all the time in the world...
the time has come for me to sign off from the group now and so I want
to take this opportunity to wishing you all the best for the future:
and success to you!
few of you may not recognise my name. I must admit that over the last
couple of months I have only been lurking and not contributing, and
one of my intentions when joining was to stay only as long as I was
For 2 or
3 months now I have been thinking that it was time for me to concentrate
my energies on subjects nearer to what I see to be my path. Of course
the discussions here are so regualarly interesting and of such quality
( and the group members such pleasant cyber companions) that I have
several times delayed sending this email.
you here when I joined you may remember that I said that I was commited
to a buddhist path of practice and this is still the case. From my side
there has been nothing that we talk about here that has negated anything
that I have come to know through Buddhism. Sometimes I have thought
that a subject might be futher illumined by a Buddhist perspective other
times the discussions have cast a brighter light on points within Buddhism
and viewed from a differing angle made them clearer. Other times of
course there are subjects with which Buddhism is not concerned - whatever
the case it has all been very interesting.
seems to me that the the direction of the group is moving away from
my core interests. I don't want you to think that I view this in a negative
light. This is not the case. Equaly it might be said that I understand
myself to be moving in a different, though hopefully not too divergent
direction. The recent focus on Gurdjieff - Fourth Way related material
and Esoteric Xianity, though interesting does not resonate with me at
all. I have of course come across Gurdjieff before and on none of the
previous occaisions either have I been able to relate to it in the personal
way that I read many of you here doing. The material does not seem to
be able to reflect my lifes experiences in the same deep way. This goes
for other (STO leaning) Western esoteric teachings as per the Zealator
or Steiners Anthroposphy - I respect their position, their pretty evident
good faith, but it does not strike a light for me. There is no `Aha!'
to acknowledge the fact that this is quite different to my experience
of Buddhist teachings and practice.
leave without giving thanks for the eye-opener of the whole Maynerd
Most saga (I joined just after he sent his initial spam) and following
on from that the uncomfortable discovery of the presence of psychopaths
- the people of the lie - to be much more common among us than I had
realised. Not only their unmasking however but also the opportunity
to be present during L&A's amazingly brave and resolute defence against
their predations. There is a phrase that has been used, something like
`give the lie the truth it asks for' that for me encapsulates this series
of sometimes almost unbelievable interactions. (Particulaly gob-smacking
when VBs C-V, his whole life story, turned out to be a
tissue of lies!) Though I shamefacedly acknowledge that I sat looking
in from the safe periphery while the group unmasked that eeny-weeny
tyrant, even from there it was an amazing lesson.
now to concentrate on what I see as my true direction. I recently spoke
to the abbot of a Buddhist monastery to see if it would be possible
to join the community as a Buddhist monk. He has given his permision.
It will take another 12 months to arrange my life in such a way that
I can take the step into monasticism. This - barring cold feet, falling
head-over-heels in love, and/or similar serious accident :) is what
I am now working towards.
wishes to you all.
We frequently notice visitors to our site who come from other message
boards and, naturally, being curious as to why they are visiting any
particular page, we often go to have a look.
made us aware of many friends, and has also resulted in our page listing
the links to the Cass site with reciprocal links from us at: http://quantumfuture.net/quantum_future/links2us.htm
sometimes this process brings surprises. As it did last night.
message board, the following was posted:
'The Terror of the Situation' (1 of 10),
Read 50 times Conf: Channelings/Articles
Date: Sunday, June 16, 2002 06:15 PM
read a very interesting article about changes our society seems to
be making these days. The author of this attributes the changes to
humanity become more robot-like, but also states that we seem to
be changing into a more "animalistic" state-of-mind.
agree with some of what he's saying since I've noticed how much nastier
people have gotten in general. Sue Lu also did a great post on this
a ways back, about how people seem to be much worse than a few years
ago. I'm sure others on these boards have noticed this too. Anyhow,
the one thing the author of this article leaves out is Ascension
Symptoms and what we're presently going through. I do think much
of this negative stuff we're going through is kind of a "purging"
process regardless of who you are. This is an interesting topic,
and seems to pop up from time to time. I hope you enjoy the article,
it really does make you think.
go to the link below (sorry I couldn't cut and paste this), it's the
C's website, click on the left hand side where it says " New
articles: Aurora Journal" and you'll see "The Terror of
you may recognize our former member, **** who was removed from the group
for a variety of reasons including offlist contact with some of the
ladies in an attempt to "hit on them." Those who did not accept
his "overtures" were then treated to rather nasty personal
you who have read KS's article, posted on the Aurora
Journal pages, will all be familiar with what he is talking about
since it is essentially what we talk about here on the list quite often.
probably also be thought that what K** wrote merely reflects the "waking
up and seeing the Matrix." That process was aptly represented
in the movie with Neo's classic reaction of losing his cookies. Not
a pretty picture, but fairly accurate, I would say.
I am saying
this because the point is, I wouldn't have posted the article if I
hadn't thought it was of value regarding the processes we deal with
here on the list everyday.
brings us to the point: There were several responses to this article
on said message board one of which went as follows:
'The Terror of the Situation' (2 of 10),
Read 44 times
Date: Sunday, June 16, 2002 07:12 PM
on the link. But I have to admit, I didn't search for the stated article.
Because the headline said it all for me... "Open your I and see"
'The Terror of the Situation' (5 of 10),
Date: Monday, June 17, 2002 02:28 AM
I wonder where he lives? I've been noticing, for quite sometime now,
here in LaLa Land, and in certain friends, some of these behaviors.
Yet I have yet to run into ANY women, appreciating being disrespected,
or liking and accepting to being treated like an object.
I don't think fighting serves a purpose, except to give those STS,
exactly what they're wanting... Namely, chaotic negatively polarized,
fear energy, and our power... In fact, just his posting such a long
winded expose, as he did, only serves to keep the very "control
mechanisms", both internally for himself and the collective,
tightly in place, and fully recouped with even more energy, allowing
it to continue its terror.
to Spirit and Others, as always, from only the highest manifest good
for All in Love and Light. Ke' e Aloha Nui Loa, In La' Kech, Namaste,
'The Terror of the Situation' (6 of 10),
Date: Monday, June 17, 2002 03:42 AM
a large portion of it this morning. I vaguely remember reading this
same concept about automatons in a gym, before. I can't grasp where
or it when it was I read this. He says something about asking if a
downward shift has recently occurred. He seems to think that because
he sees this, that it's the "world" that has changed. But
I would think that he's probably now seeing what always has been.
He's risen out of it enough to see it, but he's not clear on why he
sees it. The new "knowledge" is frightening him. But there's
nothing that need be frightening about finally "seeing".
I think if we just take care of ourselves, and treat others in accordance
to how we see, then we'll positively affect them by our example. They'll
gradually respond in kind, and then they'll "see" too. Once
you start "seeing" the larger picture, you can't be manipulated
by it anymore. You don't even have to "fight" it. It's the
"deception" that has the power. But once the deception is
seen through, its rendered impotent, and need not even be fought.
All you need to do at that point, is to dismiss it.
'The Terror of the Situation'
Date: Monday, June 17, 2002 03:55 AM
transcend, transcend. Then learn some more, then repeat.
relationship through gratitude, with observance of Source in all
things, and a Nurturance of life! In Service to Spirit and Others,
as always, Gentleheart.
Kin/Name is Cib. I Am a Yellow Magnetic Warrior. I Unify in order
to Question. Attracting Fearlessness. I seal the Output of Intelligence.
With the Magnetic tone of Purpose. I am guided by my own power doubled,
leads me to the question addressed to our new member: If the above
is what you really think, then why did you join the Cassiopaea discussion
I brought some of the nuts out of the fruitcake with the article 'Terror
of the Situation. Thanks for posting 'Speaking of which'.
response is what I'd like to comment on. First, in my opinion he accuratly
accesses my difficuly in differentiating between my changing in relation
to the world or the world changing in relation to me. This is relativity.
I need a third frame of reference and that will be the facts I get.
part of the post is what I'd like to comment on. It says:
I think if we just take care of ourselves, and treat others in accordance
to how we see, then we'll positively affect them by our example. They'll
gradually respond in kind, and then they'll "see" too.
certain what the poster means by "just take care of ourselves.
and treat others in accordance to how we see", then we'll positively
affect them by our example. I take this to mean just see but don't
judge. To judge is to try to fix. asnd to fix is an STS concept to
bend the world to their Will. I accept that.
you start "seeing" the larger picture, you can't be
manipulated by it anymore. You don't even have to "fight"
it. It's the "deception" that has the power. But once the
deception is seen through, its rendered impotent, and need not even
be fought. All you need to do at that point, is to dismiss it
where my point of contention is. People have to get real. He's not
being real here. It's not so simple to see and be free. Crap! We must
always fight to see. How can one see it if one dosen't fight to see
it. I see it because of my past efforts to see it. It only appeared
to be accidental when it 'happened' (assuming it wasn't my wishful
thinking seeing what it wants to see).
it we must continue the fight(making inner efforts) to keep seeing it.
Its easy to say deception is rendered impotent by seeing it. But deception
FIGHTS BACK in 10 thousand different ways. The fight is always 'On'.
This poster wants it to be easy---see and be free--Crap! The truth
will set you free but we must always fight our inner demons to see
the truth and keep seeing it.
talk of beauty and ascention---all well and good. But if we are at
the bottom of a river with a ball and chain around our ankle and we
wish to ascend to the top---we have to cut the chain first.
In my opinion,
its very important to develope one's awareness to SEE the subtle nuances
of the matrix. One must constantly be attentive within onself and what's
going on outside ourselves and the relationship between them. To fail
to see this relationship will vector one to think that one is seperate
from what one see's which can lead to a superior attitude halting one's
development. There are parts of us inexorably linked to the matrix and
other parts that are more seperate from it. Lying to ourselves, in my
opinion is what maintains and strenghtens this linkage.
generated from seeing these nuances can be used as a source of energy
to MAKE EFFORTS to be more aware. There is no reason to fear fear, because
we can use that fear as a means to be free of that very thing that we
are afraid of.
That is the process of "collecting the "B" influences." This act of
tuning our antennae to see it is the building of the magnetic center
because what we are learning to see is the objective reality - not the
we have seen, the very idea of doing this is too scary to some people.
The individual who commented on the other discussion board:
Date: Sunday, June 16, 2002 07:12 PM
on the link. But I have to admit, I didn't search for the stated article.
Because the headline said it all for me... "Open your I and see" -Powwow"
this fear graphically. The very phrase "Open your I and seek..." was
a turn off to that person because the "A" influences had such a hold
that the Predator's mind was in total control. You wrote:
must constantly be attentive within onself and what's going on outside
ourselves and the relationship between them. To fail to see this relationship
will vector one to think that one is seperate from what one see's
which can lead to a superior attitude halting one's development. There
are parts of us inexorably linked to the matrix and other parts that
are more seperate from it. Lying to ourselves, in my opinion is what
maintains and strenghtens this linkage. Indeed. The fear generated
from seeing these nuances can be used as a source of energy to MAKE
EFFORTS to be more aware. There is no reason to fear fear, because
we can use that fear as a means to be free of that very thing that
we are afraid of.
There is a book out called "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin de Becker in
which he writes:
presented these facts ... for a reason: to increase the likelihood
that you will believe it is at least possible that you or someone
you care for will be a victim at some time. That belief is a key element
in recognizing when you are in the presence of danger. That belief
balances denial, the powerful and cunning enemy of successful predictions.
having learned these facts of life and death, some readers will still
compartmentalize the hazards in order to exclude themselves. Denial
has an interesting and insidious side effect. For all the peace of
mind deniers think they get by saying it isn't so, the fall they take
when victimized is far, far greater than that of those who accept
is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small
print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on
some level, and it causes a constant low-grade anxiety.
of people suffer that anxiety, and denial keeps them from taking action
that could reduce the risks.
studied any other creature in nature and found the record of intraspecies
violence that human beings have, we would be repulsed by it. We'd
view it as a great perversion of natural law - but we wouldn't deny
it. As we stand on the tracks, we can only avoid the oncoming train
if we are willing to see it and willing to predict that it won't stop.
we experience real fear, this is a powerful ally that says "do what
I tell you to do."
every creature, you can know when you are in the presence of danger.
Our instincts connect us to the natural world and to our nature. Freed
from the bonds of judgment, married only to perception, it carries
have we said: "You know, there is one other thing, and I don't have
any concrete reasons for thinking this... but... I just have this feeling...
and I hate to even suggest it...." And right there, you need to pay
3rd density beings. We live in a body that is controlled by the Predator's
mind and the programs that are installed in us from infancy.
We DO have
a perfect soul, but it is NOT this personality that has been created
by the predator - twisted and distorted and full of lies and games and
illusions and false gods. And the only way we can connect to our true
and perfect self is to build a connection, to magnetize it so to say.
And that only happens when we live in truth. And we cannot live in truth
as long as we lie and support lies and games and illusions.
said that if we really saw the mechanical state of humanity, we would
go mad with horror. So, as the Sufis say, we have to use what we have
the right way for the right reasons and if what we are is capable of
having the bajeesus scared out of us when we really SEE, then let's
have at it, and get on with it.
and all. I have posted this before, but it has been awhile and there
are some new faces around, so I will briefly bring it up again.
of years back as I started to read and become involved with Laura &
Ark's site/groups, I would catch a glimmer of manipulation or a program
that was being run and for a while, there was this sense of elation
that I was in some way penetrating the veil. It was rather short lived,
because soon after going through that bout of ego stroking I had a couple
of instances where it was obvious the matrix had reared its little head
and for some reason, realized that the instance was there primarily
for me to gawk at and think I understood the mechanics of manipulation.
They were a cover for a deeper manipulation that was hiding behind the
screen of discovery.
couple of realizations later, I was confronted with situations that
showed me that the manipulations that were being covered were yet again
covers for even deeper and more subtle manipulation.
point, I would not even venture to conjecture just how deep the rabbit
hole actually goes before it hits bottom. In fact, in a 3d STS lesson
environment, there may be no bottom. This ties in with Laura's comments
about how people not on the path view people as unsuccessful when they
are on the path because that would invalidate their existance. If us/we
3ders are that tenacious, imagine how tenacious and persistant 4ders
is why we need failsafe "assumptions" (I don't like that word, anybody
have a better word?): -as 3Der's our experience is always distorted
-whatever I think I know, it is pathetic on the playing field of vastness
-if you aren't feeling fear, you aren't learning -if you aren't learning
from others, you are deceiving yourself -if you feel pride in the knowledge,
you are engaging in a power game -if love does not follow in the footsteps
of knowledge, you are misunderstanding the whole point (in case you
are wondering, these come from my personal experience of working with
the traps of an esoteric path, not from aphorisms I have been told)
only add that the fear item ought to be equal parts of fear and ecstasy."
I was a
little shy there. Well, the following IS an aphorism I was told: "Sunshine
and tears simultaneously create a rainbow" Frank J.
first discovered the C's info I received a whammy of an attack by the
matrix which lasted over a week. The most shocking event (apart from
being physically hit by "something"), was the dictionary on my desk
being changed to another book (for several hours - I eventually threw
it away and a few days later looked in the trash and it was the same
book again) The cover was the same, but EVERY WORD was different...all
negative descriptions aimed at me. Although by this point I was well
weirded out by the high strangeness of what had been happening, part
of me wanted to laugh at what I saw was the ridiculous lengths these
"forces" will go to in order to "make their point" (ie that their fears
of non-existance drive them to attempt to invalidate our existance in
whatever ways they can)
thoughts that Laura ignited in me: "what we are is capable of having
the bajeesus scared out of us" IF we are capable--my, my this is the
crux of the path and the horrible danger of wishful thinking and white
washing our experience with "high" interpretations. If we can't SEE
our condition as it is, better to never have started on this path of
awakening. This is why banckruptcy of the spirit--the dark night of
the soul--is so critical and it may last a long time until it slowly
transforms into another, more permanent experience of reality. To ty
to escape this pain too soon by creating a beautiful vision and then
believing that it IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING NOW is the ultimate crime against
our humanness. Sometimes, the rednecks and the unawakened and the sleepers
are more honest and direct with their lives than the "searchers" and
The Integral Lie - this characterizes that person who, from a habit
of lying and cheating on every occasion, ends by believing his own
lies and thus loses all sense of truth. The roots of illusion within
us: the mother of lies to ourselves.
just a brief snip from another enormous post. But this section jumped
out at me in the Mourivieff book. The group came to the above conclusion
about VB et al whilst you and Ark were at "Maths Camp". It was really
interesting and in a sense exciting to watch and be part of. It's nice
to see someone else has come up with the same conclusion.
Lu to CJ:
The healing and real light came for me when I recognized that
these events were FOR MY DESTINY and self-created in some
tangible ways, not forced upon me by some unknown or even known
assailant. The works.
You make a point that I have wondered about here. There was a time
when I sincerely believed that the many dark nights I had survived
were pre planed to wake me up. And I would have willingly gone through
those years again to make sure I would wake up. Many, like myself,
began to awaken as a result of these shocks. But if the matrix is
in control, (and I am thinking of this as an outside force) why did
I, or any of us for that matter, wake up? Does our predator mind have
an opposite that serves to counteract the effects at certain stress
points? This seems to make sense with what the C's have said regarding
the battle being "through us". If there is not something in the universe
that works to oppose sts manipulations, then it seems that the waking
up is what has been left to accident. (I know my reasoning is a bit
faulty here, but I have learned that if I take the time to think through
everything completely, I will never post.)
seems to me you are saying that everything is in us. There is a perfect
balance that is working toward a pre planed destiny. Would love to
have the elaborated upon.
Indeed, this may be the crux of the matter, perhaps. As I see it, the
matrix is not "other". We each live with the genetics that
validate and continually enforce the matrix as its existed in its limited
paradigm. It serves us, actually, by "holding us to" our limitations
until we reach a breaking point.
do move toward breaking points because of a part of us often labeled
"Spirit" or "Soul"... to my mind, a source of "essential
energy", use the common terms if it works for you... which is our
true "driving force". It is not "of the world".
This is our "higher" aspect, accessed through our within
using meditation and open contemplation. It's the place from which
the WILL to survive our traumas stems, that undying spark that insists
we get up and rethink, review and try again.
of how the matrix serves us is in turn the way we alter its affects
on us, and indeed may even change the matrix itself. Again, we each
hold the programming within us that the matrix takes as its cue to
manifest events and experiences in our lives. We're literally in control...
if we can but recognizes how we're doing it.
a hologram of education. The matrix is impersonal. The cause of the
DNA alterations may be due to a plot by 4D STS forces, but they are
not our God in any real way. We CHOSE to participate in their scheme,
and carve out a knowledge path that relinquishes their false control
and recenters the power where it truly lies. And we chose to do this
because it's fun! :-)
As I see
it, the first programs installed in us once here (which does not mean
the "when" of DNA alteration, but rather the result of such
from the get-go) is "unconscious" emotional programming, due
to our immediate environment in a limited paradigm. From that, we generate,
from within, our own limited beliefs (also often unconscious) that
serve to attempt an equilibrium with these unconscious programs that
motivate and influence us regularly.
of waking up, for me, was a process of first identifying the "sameness"
I saw the world over, as far as emotional dramas go. This sparked the
realization that they are repeating programs of Being. Uncovering these
early emotional programs and following them to the thinking that is
married to them actually brought me to a place of understanding, compassion
and gratitude. And lo and behold, as has been noted, the DNA modifications
are essentially archetypal myths that rule us.
my view, which - stubborn as I may be - I seem to find support for
in the C's material. *chuckle* The greatest myth, the true sacred cow
from my vatnage point, is that there is something actually controlling
us outside our access that we must submit to or defend against, now
I've been knocked on my butt more times than I care to recall, and
this perspective of mine may get me the same once again. Whatever.
That's what I'm here for. If I don't fully commit, why bother, you
know? :-) ~Sue Lu
ideas you presented caused me to begin to think that the Matrix is our
construct alone, that the Orions/Lizzies/Grays may have done all they
did in the way of alterations and seeding and installation of the predator
mind to take advantage of something we already had the prepensity toward.
the following in Wave 3:
About these three forces. You said numerous souls desired physical
existence. When the numerous souls did this, how did physical existence
come to be?
A: First was apelike.
Q: (L) And then what happened? Did these apelike beings just pop into
the air? What did the souls do with these apelike beings? A: Souls
altered them by transfer into seeded bodies. Orion Union was first
to put human souls in for incubation process thereby producing neanderthal.
Q: (L) Are you saying that genetically altered ape embryos were put
back into ape females for gestation?
A: No. Souls only.
Q: (L) They put the souls into the ape-like bodies?
A: Close. The soul's presence in the ape body cause its genetics and
DNA to change.
Q: (L) So, human souls entered into living creatures on this planet
to experience 3rd density reality and by entering in caused mutation?
A: Yes. Then were altered by Orion Union first. ...
Q: (L) Where did the souls come from that entered into the bodies
on the planet earth? Were they in bodies on other planets before they
A: Not this group. Q
: (L) Were they just floating around in the universe somewhere?
A: In union with the One. Have you heard the Super ancient legend
of Lucifer, the Fallen Angel?
Q: (L) Who is Lucifer?
A: You. The human race.
Q: (L) Are you saying that the souls of individual humans are parts
of a larger soul?
A: Yes. Close. The One. You are members of a fragmented soul unit.
All who have fallen must learn "the hard way."
Q: (L) Are you saying that the act of wanting to experience physical
reality is the act of falling? What is it about wanting to be physical
that is a "fall"?
A: Pleasure for the self.
Q: (L) Did, at any time, the human race live for a long time in an
Edenic state, where they were able to be in bodies and still had a
A: Yes. But not long. No addiction takes long to close the circle.
Q: (L) So, mankind was addicted to pleasuring the self?
A: Became quickly.
Q: (L) How long from the time of the moving of souls into bodies until
the "Fall" in Eden occured?
A: Not measurable. Remember Laura, there is no time when this event
occurred. Time passage illusion did not exist at that point as well
as many other falsehoods.
Q: (L) So you are saying that the Fall in Eden was also the beginning
A: Yes. ...
Q: (L) Wasn't the Lizard takeover an event that occurred at the time
of the fall of Eden?
The 'Fall' occurred. It seems like, and some of the archaeological
studies indicate, that for many thousands of years, there was a peaceful
existence and a nice agrarian society where the goddess or female
creative forces were worshipped. At least, this is what a lot of present-day
books are proposing...
A: No. These events took place 309000 years ago, as you measure it.
This is when the first prototype of what you call "modern man" was
created. The controllers had the bodies ready, they just needed the
right soul matrix to agree to "jump in.
Wave 13e Laura states:
during this [childhood development] phase that the "matrix" forms
as a "semantic universe" of verbal structures. Language is conceptual,
as we have discussed previously, and is one of the things that distinguishes
3rd density from 2nd density. Our concepts are a sort of "framework
of perception" that we learn as we learn words.
are learning our language, things such as "hot" and "cold," we are
also learning that one thing is "good" or another is "bad." We can
either handle things freely because they are "good," or "don't touch"
because they are "bad." There is, in this phase, a tremendous drive
in a child to "create order." This drive is aimed at grouping, identifying,
correlating and naming everything. And, as this is being done, there
is a constant check with the parents and others interacting with the
child as to whether this is "bad" or "good" or "real" or "not real."
the child is doing is defining not only himself, but his entire world.
at this stage that most of our complex belief systems are formed.
Everything that surrounds him is raw material for the child. The Matrix
is created by the guiding actions and responses from the other minds
around him. The matrix is, in reality, a gigantic conditioning system.
And we insert our children into it through our own actions.
Maybe I'm just playing 'catch-up' here and some things are finally sinking
in. If the Matrix is our construct, and, when in the awakening process
all the forces come to bear on us to have us go back to 'sleep', then
it really is the 'sleeping' that is exerting that pressure, and the
best the controllers can do is activate the agents to alert the 'sleepers'
to exert the pressure.
other tools in the form of the predato's mind overlay to use to influence
us directly but that isn't really a part of the Matrix except to the
extent that we buy into the lies and construct the Matrix around those
perceptions, if I am understanding myself correctly here.
is the case then maybe all the effort to keep us in the sleeping state
is for us to keep the Matrix in place. The fear they have about someone
awakening is not that they will be seen or lose a food source, but that,
as part of a group soul they are milking in mass, that awakening fragment
will cause the ripple that destroys our own construct.
to conserve energy, so they would naturally want to take advantage of
something we tend to do anyway - believe lies and create illusions based
upon those lies. The Evil Magician. Hello!!!
wrote: "Nothing exists without consciousness to perceive it" is, to
my mind, a precise way of saying that everything I perceive, I perceive
because I perceive it... if it's not in me, I won't see it "out there".
And from that recognition I turn inward to see just why it is that
I see/experience the things I do. Sure enough, the source is in me."
say i agree with this, we can perceive things outside of us that are
not "in" us or part of us. unless our ego is so huge that we really
believe that everything "out there" is a product of our own
mind - talk about a "god complex."
"The illusory realm I chose to focus my consciousness within
for this duration is merely that: an illusion populated with the actors
I chose to play the roles I needed for my lessons. Lessons I chose
to experience while here. I'm the script writer, the producer, the
director and really, the only actor... projecting parts of me into
other forms outside of me when I cannot clearly see the force of this
or that lying hidden within me."
that case, you should also be able to call a halt to the production
right? The above sounds very like the STS way of looking at the "all"
i.e. that all else forms part of the self therefore is fair game to
be taken to the self by force or manipulation if necessary.
may have created the matrix or this 3D reality in an absolute sense,
i.e. from the POV that we are the Cs and them us, and that at 7D "all
are one", that does not serve us at this level, we do not have the resources
(read awareness) of 6th or 7th density available to us personally.
reality that we find ourselves in and from a perspective of trying to
get out of it, it matters not if we created 3D in a broader sense, the
truth is we are trapped here, and are severely restricted via the predators
mind which is not ours.
says "we are literally in control"
that extant 3D reality could not be further from this. Most people are
defintely NOT in control. Most are controlled in an absolute sense,
to the extent, in fact, that they do not even know it! hows that for
thing to force someone to do something, and have them complain but still
do it because have no choice, as opposed to a control system that is
so effective that the controlees dont even realise that they have no
control. That is, to paraphrase Don Juan, "a pretty stupendous maneuver"
from the controllers POV, pretty horrendous from ours.
to "changing the matrix"...whats wrong with it? it serves its purpose
pretty well, we should be concentrating on gettting out of it not changing
it. To quote a member who once posted: "the only thing that we have
any right to change, and indeed any hope of changing, is ourselves"
me, I want to learn, and gain knowledge and have been trying to do so.
I can understand plain language, not embellised language. Some, who
are ahead of me on the learning scale have no trouble with that embellished
and richly ornate language..and learn easily with it. I do not. I like
plain layman's english. I cannot easily understand G or M or the Isb
arabi guy..I have to learn at my own pace. And maybe I am one of the
most stupid on here, but I am trying. Also, I do not like when I am
labeled. I do not feel it is fair to be labeled. If I have an interchange
with Ark or Laura or anyone on this list and it opens my eyes..then
that is a good thing. I do not want to be labeled because of the exchange
or name or anything else. Just some thoughts.
again, in my experience this list is not a place where labels or judgements
are passed out on anyone, most are having trouble labeling themselves
never mind anyone else! ;-)
that point, if I may suggest, from the above post, you seem to have
got there ahead of most of us. What I am saying in plain english, (which
is my favorite type too) is that from your post you seem to have successfully
labeled yourself already...but then again, we all do that.. and it's
almost always wrong! :-D
Lu wrote: Again, my view, which - stubborn as I may be - I seem
to find support for in the C's material. *chuckle* The greatest
myth, the true sacred cow from my vatnage point, is that there is
something actually controlling us outside our access that we must
submit to or defend against, now or any"time". Is this not a subtle
difference when you say "outside our access". Whether within or
without it seems we can still have access.
Is this not a subtle difference when you say "outside our access".
Whether within or without it seems we can still have access.
Sowelu here: Certainly, CJ, we have both avenues of access all the time.
However, when it's an outer access, it comes in the form of pain or
circumstance to show us what we might have held in our consciousness,
but didn't, in the form of awareness/knowledge. And it SEEMS to be "not
us" or "other" when we access it outwardly, instead of seeing it's of
our own making. And this tends to maintain confusion.
we are each made up of 100% light, for discussion purposes. That 100%
can be held as knowledge in our consciousness, or it can be EXpressed,
light given outward unconsciously, to any number of events in our lives.
We have 100% light, and its up to us what we do with it.
truly understand and possess knowledge regarding what lies within us
- all of it - we hold our 100% light in our consciousness. But when
we have hidden parts of us detracting from our conscious awareness,
we are still 100%, we're just scattered in the manifested reality. This
is a school, remember, teaching us who we are.
issues not yet revealed block our ability to hold light (be aware, KNOW)
around whatever that issue is, as do false beliefs. So... the light
for that issue, that could have resided in our consciousness but doesn't,
must exist here, so it gets EXpressed in events that "bring that painful
emotional issue home" through the light of experience. (This is somewhat
how the matrix holds us to our limitations)
event occurs, it IS "light being shed on our darkness", so to say. We
may not comprehend what we experience or witness, but it is light being
shed, nonetheless. In fact, the very fact that it's occurred in an outer
event indicates that we DON'T understand it. Because if we did, we would
hold that light of understanding in our consciousness and not need a
lesson to manifest so that we could learn it. Whatever we feel but repress,
or think, that is false, will be revealed through manifestation in form.
we didn't comprehend the energy when it lay quietly within us, it cues
the matrix to manifest what we hide in ourselves. We repress, put off,
deny, reject, hate... due to fear. Fear is the cue to the matrix. All
energy in form is essential energy "trapped" by the dense light of physicality.
hold that light in our consciousness, again, but because we don't, it
is spilled outward in the events of our lives that describe ourselves
back to us... until we SEE it. Until we finally understand. Until we
finally bring that light home to our consciousness.
do, the events that occurred in our lives to explain ourselves to us
fall away, no longer needed to be expressed for our edification, because
we truly understand.
So we can
access that predator by going within ourselves and truly gaining knowledge
of how it is birthed in our lives, or we can access that predator in
an event of painful circumstance. Either way, it is us, waiting to be
brought to light. That's one of many ways to word this concept. Perhaps
not the best, but I gave it a shot. :-)
1 I posted the following to "antigravity" mailing list:
as the Basis of Quantum Mechanics
On 1 Jun
2002, at 16:06, Robert Neil Boyd wrote:
An important result which contributed to my theory was the recent experimental
evidence which refutes Heisenburg Uncertainty.
In my recent talk at the Clifford Algebra conference - see the link
the fact that we have been brainwashed into believing that uncertainty
principle prevents us from simultaneous measurements of noncommuting
observables. I even compared it to the biblical warning to not eat from
the tree of knowledge - otherwise terrible things gonna happen. Not
only nothing terrible happens, but a door into a new reality and new
possibilities opens. That is how quantum fractals were generated.
It is intereseting
that, for reasons not yet understood, the transformations of quantum
states generated in a natural way during measurements of noncommuting
observables as described in quantumfuture.net/quantum_future/qfractals.htm
and in the forthcoming paper on quantum fractals on the Poincare disk
(or hyperbolic plane), belong to the conformal class (specifically:
they are particular Moebius tranformations). This was first anticipated
by Palle Jorgensen and checked by Pertti Lounesto during the conference
in TennTech, Cookeville just few days ago.
coincidence? Or something more?
the following sad message came today, June 25:
WITH GREAT REGRETS THAT WE LET YOU KNOW THAT PERTTI LOUNESTO HAS DIED
WHEN SWIMMING IN CRETE ON JUNE 21. HE WAS A FRIEND AND INSPIRATION OF
MANY OF US. HE WILL BE MISSED. CONDOLENCES TO HIS FAMILY IN THE NAME
OF THE 6TH CONFERENCE AND SESSION ORGANIZERS.
want to add that the feeling I had upon receiving the news of Pertti's
death was one of the strangest I have had in a long time.
that strikes me is that, there we were, sitting at the table with him
the first night we arrived in Cookeville, and he was telling me this
"joke" about monks and eunuchs and electricity. I was having a hard
time trying to figure out the "punch line" because it was delivered
in so dry a way.
we were, and I was looking at him and trying to "read" what was behind
his eyes and it just gave me a funny feeling even then. I was only conscious
that I "liked" him, that there was something indefinable there that
evoked a "sympathy." Well, now, of course, I wonder if that "funny feeling"
that was completely unrelated to anything I could pin down - and it
was very vague - was any kind of "realization" that, in just over a
month, the guy would be "on the other side?"
also strange is the fact that, when discussing and working with another
guy on a similar subject some years back, not long after Ark had discussions
with him, he too drowned in the Black Sea.
parallel is that discussion and work on certain subjects was followed
by drowning in two cases separated by many years. And that gave me a
very strange feeling.
puzzling to hear, indeed.
I would be curious about this 'something more'. Would it practically
be possible to investigate if the frequency of deadly 'accidents' or
suicides is higher in a group of mathematicians/physicists working in
a certain 'matrix-endangering' domain? There would at least be some
practical difficulties: * who would design such a category of mathematicians/physicists?
It could be argued that a physicist/mathematician knowledgable on the
'matrix' topic would be a good choice - but at the same time shouldn't
be aware of the people who died to prevent unconscious bias in the creation
of the groups - this would unfortunately exclude you. * How would you
find out the number of accidents the physicists/mathimaticians have
experienced in their lives - I don't know if all would want to give
even if it is possible to design a good study the number of people dying
because of the "something more" reasons could in itself be to small
to find a significant difference. Would it be possible if the Matrix
would have a 'statistically significant' tresshold built in that it
doesn't cross to prevent detection? If so would it even be possible
to detect the Matrix by way of the usual scientific method?
Am I correct
that it could be worthwhile to broathen this type of investigation to
include non-scientists? I was thinking along the lines of predicting
which kind of people were more a threat to the matrix and investigate
their life expectancy, 'accident' frequency or general health (probably
they would be healthier in general, but maybe they would get more aggressive
cancers?). I know of one person who just seems to attract bad luck (accident
after accident, fires, etc. etc.) and is involved with catholicism -
but maybe it is better explained by something in her character that
attracts/puts her in those situations?
who are a danger to the matrix are also more 'aware' and thus less vulnerable
to normal accidents because they are more vigilant, but maybe they are
also more riskseekers - so on average the frequency of normal accidents
with normal people and 'matrix accidents' with 'matrix endangering people'
could very well be the same. If there was a difference how would you
know that all those other factors were not unvolved, including the ones
you didn't/couldn't think of?
kinds of swimming accidents happen often in Crete? I sometimes hear
from people dying on their holiday because they were falling with their
heads on a rock or were swimming in a strong current. If this type of
accident is relatively common would it not be more a sad coincidence?
be interesting to know what exactly transpired that last hour in Crete.
How many of your acquinted collegues died because of an accident or
before their time (if you would know that), more than the number of
acquinted collegues the average someone else in another field has (with
a comparable number of total acquinted collegues).
did a little more investigating about the specific subject areas that
were being followed in the two cases - Pertti and the Russian guy who
drowned in the Black sea. He knows, of course, the exact areas in which
he was collaborating with them and the similarities there. But he wanted
to check some of their papers and indications of their other work and
how they "converged" on his own work.
thing is: he discovered that both were working on the same things as
Armand Wyler - the guy who went mad after a year at Princeton and has
never been heard from since.
"It was F.A. Berezin. http://mmf.ruc.dk/~booss/recoll.pdf http://www.ams.org/distribution/mmj/vol1-2-2001/neretin.pdf
that the subject matter is the same as in new, hyperbolic, quantum fractals,
Lobatchevsky plane, or Poincare disk, or Esher-like "cyclic time" -
if you wish, and it is the same as A. Wyler was working on - who got
invited to Princeton, and then disappeared in some "insane asylum."
Perhaps coincidence. Perhaps a maningful one."
a few others he has worked with who died from "sudden heart attacks."
In one case, he was upset for several days because he KNEW the guy was
in great health... he walked a lot, ate healthy, didn't smoke, drank
wine only sparingly and with meals, and had a lot of energy. This one
(can't remember his name and Ark has gone to the library so can't ask
him) was in Gottingen, I believe.
a curious thing.
Is it really
curious? I think we all know what kind of technology is out there, and
the people that will use it, to make any death look like an accident
or natural causes. I could suggest the Ark not go swimming, but that
probably wouldn't stop someone with an evil intent. Knowledge protects,
and sometimes friends in the right places might help out.
thing we thought about was the idea of 3D interference, and that seems
sort of logistically absurd. That is the factor that we keep facing
over and over again in these subjects - the logistics of 3 D manipulation
simply seem too complicated and even outrageous to consider.
one of the reasons that I very early discarded the whole "alien abductions
are just a human experiment" thing. The logistics in terms of time,
history, numbers, etc, made that idea simply absurd. The guy who argued
that until somebody laid an alien carcase on his doorstep, he would
never believe that aliens were "real" actually served to solidify this
idea in my mind. I realized that, if it really WAS a 3 D program and
operation, the logistics would demand that there would be enough glitches
that the project would be exposed.
all the factors argues more for the 4 D manipulation - even if sometimes
it functions through 3 D agents (as we well know and have witnessed
Gurdjieff and his "games" and "risk taking." If he had been fully aware
of the real nature of 4 D realities, you would think that he wouldn't
have been racing about in a car and trying to grab fruit off trees just
to show off... which then led to his accident. He would have known about
the level of awareness was necessary to protect oneself from such opportunities
for 4 D to "meddle" in the 3 D reality.
thing is true of Mouravieff. As I am reading, I see again and again
the points where he misses the issue of hyperdimensional realities in
their true nature - and this is the gift of the C's - this understanding
of the interpenetrating densities of awareness which, when used as a
framework for the placing of the elements of the different worlds and
notes and "intervals" as described by both the G-man and Mouravieff,
provides a most essential understanding that makes all of it begin to
make sense - especially when considering the current day spate of "alien
my ignorance here, but it occurred to me in reading this thread that
I don't understand a thought pattern with regard to all of this. I thought
my sense that no death is accidental nor could have been avoided. Naturally
I could be way off on that idea, but it's one I've had this whole lifetime.
But, barring the total inaccuracy of that idea of mine, what would be
our intent/belief/assumption in the pursuit of determining the particulars
around a person's death?
to me that it may be that the inevitability of a person's death is specifically
due to all the bits and pieces of direction their lives took from start
to finish, so there may be value in "reading their life pattern" from
that angle. Is that it though?
want to help me on this?
has a feeling that one is not fulfilling one's destiny, than despair
may set in, even if outwardly the life is good and the accomplishments
are many. Not being aware, that one can stop lying to oneself and set
the life on track can lead to an early death rather than the more painful
yet more fulfilling life of seeking what ever it is that you are supposed
stay alive, particularly dealing with their line of work, a knowledge
of 4D interference may have been life saving. Knowledge protects, but
perhaps only when coupled with the idea that one has something to live
I am not
saying that was the case for these men, I don't know. I am speaking
from personal example, where I wasn't sure what I was living for, or
why. Even though my life was pleasant enough. I just had a feeling that
I was supposed to be doing something else. Luckily, nothing life threatening
happened. But, would I have fought hard enough to stay alive if it had?
I can honestly say I don't know. Now, I have given myself permission
to put things right, a huge burden was lifted, followed shortly by sadness
by the realization of the enormity of the task. But, at least now I
there is more of a purpose and excitement regarding life. The esoteric
christianity articles and discussion have been enormously helpful.
sake, let's take the two concepts above separately.
with a basically body-centric awareness, may emphasize or place undue
importance on, or a less than a cosmic awareness on, the body and the
"life" that materializes through its perceptions.
that consideration what appears to be a completely erroneous concept
of time and the implications that linear time force into our speculation
and it opens up an entirely new perspective or dimension in death and
its acceptance or avoidance or even the degree of "fate" that is ascribed
as an increased potential for possibilities as to the why and even the
when of death, most of the observations you find discussed on the list
have little to do with equating a person's life pattern with the time
of their demise. In this instance, the discussion almost totally revolves
around the potential and possibility that there is an inter-density
interference with our day-to-day existance and that would of course
include the termination of same, especially if they sanctify our life
to the degree that we sanctify the life of a bug we squash or a flower
A lot of
stuff gets taught in "metaphysical groups" that really doesn't
seem to have a lot of support in observation.
life pattern plays a role. For some people who die accidentally it may
have been just their time. On the other hand as one who is aware of
the possibilities of of time traveling ultra dimensional beings, one
should think about and analyze these things. not just for the obvious
lessons involved either.
If we consider
all possible scenarios, things can remain open up until the last moment.
If as you say it's due to all bits and pieces of directions their life
took, it would also mean that doing something even just one particular
thing differently may have led the life in question to a different outcome
and maybe even avoid an untimely death.
those who lay down, say they are ready to die and do. For many in our
3D world, I believe death arrives as a surprise. If we go with the premise
that there are people with unresolved issues from prior lifetimes in
our world,it is possible if they were more careful about how they interact
in their environment, they could have lived long enough to resolve some
of those issues.
person in question dies accidentally while working on something which
has the possibility to benefit humanity in a positive way, it is a responsibility
of every awakening individual to try to see the lesson in it. One must
think and ask questions about these things even if we don't want to
draw too much attention to ourselves.
believe there are no accidents as in "god doesn't make mistakes."
There are accidents and then there are Accidents.
who the esotericists say the god of this world is?
"In this instance, the discussion almost totally revolves around
the potential and possibility that there is an inter-density interference
with our day-to-day existance and that would of course include the
termination of same, especially if they sanctify our life to the degree
that we sanctify the life of a bug we squash or a flower we pick."
for your response. On the surface, this seems - even to me - to be almost
a "silly" question, but you'd be surprised how much thought is running
around within me around it! LOL! Must be "time" for me to look at this
particular issue a little more deeply or differently.
my idea IS inaccurate and death can be determined by something "not
in the original plan" we'll say, I seem to recall reading in the C's
material the concept that all that occurs in our life, including our
death, is by choice.
ask what part of the total Self makes that choice, of course. But for
me, if you've noticed a theme of mine in the few posts I've made, I'm
attempting to learn a new way of looking at this life of mine. More,
perhaps, the way those on this list do.
it requires that I relinquish the idea that I have full say in the progress
of my life, which I don't particular care for, but as I mentioned in
a recent post, I'm willingly offering up my sacred cows here.
I'm looking to do in asking this seemingly silly question, is reframe
my cognitive processes. In the past, at best I would feel it important
to understand the inner life a person to understand their death.
that inner life, if I somehow managed to glean it even in part through
symbolic clues in their outer life, I would then see an archetypal theme,
perhaps, or a "soul path direction" that made the exit at that point
in time make sense.
outside forces is not natural to me, frankly. Hyperdimensional realities
don't change that either. In fact, the recognition of hyperdimensional
reality caused "my view" to fall into place even more sensibly, if you
can believe it. So... I'm working on this from a particular entry point,
and input is helpful.
Lue, Maybe it's time to repost the following which is in the archives
somewhere and has been noted on the website in a number of places, though
there's so much there now, I couldn't say exactly where - probably in
the Wave series.
watch for the paragraph that states: "THE MENTAL, EMOTIONAL AND PHYSICAL
INFLUENCE OF AN ATTACHED ENTITY CAN ALTER THE ORIGINAL PATH OF KARMIC
OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES OF THE HOST. IT CAN DISRUPT THE PLANNED LIFE
LINE BY HASTENING DEATH OR PROLONGING LIFE, THUS INTERFERING WITH ANY
SPECIFIC CHECKOUT POINT. AN ENTITY OF THE OPPOSITE GENDER CAN INFLUENCE
THE SEXUAL PREFERENCE AND GENDER ORIENTATION. AN ATTACHED ENTITY CAN
INFLUENCE THE CHOICE OR MARRIAGE PARTNERS AND THE CHOICE OF A PARTNER
FOR AN EXTRA-MARITAL AFFAIR."
just factor in 4 D STS manipulation along with Spirit attachment.
a higher level of reality, all is just lessons. And isn't that the
point? Those who have experienced these things a sufficient number of
times to "learn the lesson" then begin to look for the way to avoid
repeating them. That's what we are doing. Here's the original post:
I were discussing by phone last night, the intricacies of "Spirit Attachment"
and its potentials for having stupendously profound effects on anyone's
life. She was a bit surprised at some of the things I told her, so I
became aware that such information, while easily available to the practitioner
of hypnotherapy, seems to be known in only a limited way to the average
person, even a person with a strong and long-standing intererest in,
and study of, metaphysics.
of texts that have been written on the subject I am discussing here
are considerable, most of them produced by research and not "channeled"
information, nor "philosophical" conjecture. Many of the researchers
in the field have been either psychologists, psychiatrists, medical
doctors, and to some extent, priests with medical and/or psychological
clear to me that the teaching "you create your own reality by what you
think or focus on, so don't consider anything you don't want to create"
has done a great disservice to the large majority of "seekers on the
path" by preventing their discovery of many of the very things that
would enable them to "root out" barriers to greater progress.
about something, to investigate, is NOT the same thing as "creating."
"The condition of spirit interference, spirit possession, or spirit
attachment is almost universal in the human population. Practitioners
in modalities of psychotherapy and hypnotherapy have discovered the
same prevalence. If spirit interference is such a common condition,
and at the root of so many 'ills of society,' it must be studied and
understood. It is essential taht people be made aware of it and that
more practitioners, both in the mental health professions and in the
clergy, be trained to use the appropriate techniques to relieve the
affliction. One must dispel the myth and superstition regarding spirits
and spirit possession, more appropriately termed spirit attachment.
about spirit attachment has developed out of many years of clinical
experience among some pioneering psychologists and psychiatrists, including
Dr. Carl Wickland, Dr. Edith Fiore, Dr. Joel Whitton, Dr. William Baldwin...
all scientifically trained practitioners. There are thousands of case
histories studied and "worked" via tradtional double blind experimentation.
When I was learning the methodology, I did NOT inform any of my subjects
that I was going to ask them a couple of questions at some point during
their sessions that were designed to identify spirit attachment. I was,
in fact, somewhat suspicious of the claim that so many people suffered
in this way.
the same time, I knew that hypnosis, psychotherapy, and other "standard"
methods often did not work, or only worked for a period of time before
the "extinction" process took over. This "extinction" was even a part
of the theory of a Swis psychiatrist who did a lot of work in hypnotherapy,
and he realized that intensive sessions, even if they showed marvelous
initial successes, eventually "relapsed."
the same problem with subjects. But, after my first few "spirit release"
sessions, following rather specific techniques, the rate of "relapse"
was almost entirely eliminated.
of spirit possession - that is, full or partial takeover of a living
human by a discarnate being - has been recognized or at least theorized
in every era and every culture. In ninety percent of societies worldwide
there are recores of possession-like phenomena (Foulks, 1985).
contemporary evidence suggests that discarnate beings, the spirits
of deceased humans, can influence living people by forming a physical
or mental connection or attachment, and subsequently imposing detrimental
physical and/or emotional conditions and symptoms. This condition
has been called the 'possession state,' 'possession disorder,' 'spirit
possession syndrome,' 'spirit obsession,' or 'spirit attachment.'
(Hyslop, 1917; Wickland, 1924; 1934; Allison, 1980; Guirdham, 1982;
Crabtree, 1985; Fiore, 1987)
experience has been that I have NEVER had a subject who was NOT attached
in one way or another, to one extent or another, since I learned the
mode of differential diagnosis. And, in fact, if the matter is discussed
beforehand, which I have done on occasions after my long period of "testing
the hypothesis," the ones who most vehemently deny the possibility are
generally the ones with the most stubborn and deeprooted attachments!
spirits, the surviving consciousness of deceased humans, are the most
prevalent possessing, obsessing or attaching entities to be found.
The disembodied consciousness seems to attach itself and merge fully
or partially with the subconscious mind of a living person, exerting
some degree of influence on thought processes, emotions, behavior
and the physical body. The attaching entity becomes a parasite in
the mind of the host. A victim of this condition can be totally amnesic
about episodes of complete takeover."
cases tend to be those of "influencing thought" and not complete takeover
as Baldwin describes.
can be bound to the earth plane by the emotions and feelings connected
with a sudden traumatic death. Anger, fear, jealousy, resentment,
guilt, remorse, EVEN STRONG TIES OF LOVE, can interfere with the normal
transition. ERRONEOUS BELIEFS ABOUT THE AFTERLIFE can prevent a spirit
from moving into the Light because the after death experience does
not coincide with false expectations or preconceived notions of the
way it is supposed to be."
case I handled involved a young man who was NOT informed in advance
that I was going to do a "differential diagnosis" during his session.
His problem was a sleep disorder and he did not seem to be able to get
a grip on it. One doctor had diagnosed "sleep apnea" and he had a "jerking
leg" syndrome that was also driving him batty. Medications and minor
surgery had not helped.
the session, I asked the series of questions, and an entity came forward
and identified "herself." She was frightened and lost and told her story:
she had been a young French girl who had been murdered in the course
of a rape, and had died without receiving the sacraments. Her guilt
about the sexual nature of her death added to the lack of being shriven
made her fearful of the "light" she could see, and she "hid" from it,
finding a "home" in a passing individual. Well, when that individual
came to America, and later died, she found another "home" and passed
along until she found a "home" in my client who fell off his bicycle
as a child and hurt his leg near the hospital where he last "host" had
just died. The pain and embarrasment of the child created a frequency
that she could "merge" with, and VOILA! She had a new home. And the
sleep problems began, some "feminine" characteristics began to be manifested
in the young boy, the leg never got completely well, and years passed...
I was able
to "converse" with this entity, counsel her about the realities of the
spirit world, relieve her guilt and fear, and enabled her to "go into
the light." The subject's sleep problems were instantly "cured," the
"jumping leg" never jumped again, and the peculiar "feminine" characteristics
death by drug overdose, a newly deceased spirit maintains strong appetite
for the drug, and this hunger cannot be satisfied in the non-physical
realm. The being must experience the drug through the sensorium of
a living person who uses the substance, or can be persuaded or "urged"
to do so. Many drug users are controlled by the attached spirit of
a deceased drug addict.
spirits remain in the earth plane due to a lack of awareness of their
passing. If there is already an attached spirit, the process may be
more difficult. The newly deceased being can 'piggy back' the attached
earthbound to the Light, or the attached earthbound 'lets go' and
one goes and one stays. After this separation, the earthbound can
wander in the lower astral plane awaiting the next incarnation of
the being to whom it was attached. The entity can locate the being
in the new incarnation and reconnect. This repeated attachment can
occur for many lifetimes of the host. However, the earthbound can
just as quickly attach to another unsuspecting person after separating
from the former host at the time of death.
newly deceased spirit cannot break away from the attached spirit or
hasn't strength enough to carry it into the light, it can become earthbound
also, with the original earthbound still attached to it. This pair
can then attach to another living person. After death, the spirit
of this person also may be prevented from reaching the Light due to
the nested, or layered, attached spirits. This spirit becomes part
of the chain of earthbound spirits that can compound until in numbers
in the dozens, even hundreds."
I had one
client, an elderly gentleman who was desperate for SOMETHING to help
him. He had been operated on about a dozen times for various problems...
internal organ, joint replacement, triple bypass surgery... you name
it. And, during one of his surgeries, his daughter had been killed in
an auto accident and he was not even able to attend her funeral. This
poor guy broke my heart!
the session I found that, not only had he picked up a number of recently
"dead" dudes floating around the hospitals where he had been (hospitals
are GREAT places to pick up attachments) but that he had a set of "multiples
and repeaters," as I call them. Digging through and back, the "bottom
line" was that, during the break-up of Atlantis, seemingly, he had been
a sort of leader of a small group and they were fleeing the destruction
and had taken refuge in a building according to his instructions. It
was his job and responsibility to "save and protect" them all, and when
the building collapsed on all of them, killing them before his eyes,
his anguish was such that all these souls "found refuge" in him... and
this had been repeating for many incarnations... every time he incarnated,
they were waiting for him..." It was a pretty sad story, but with a
successful ending, even though the saddest part was persuading him to
"let go" of his daughter who had ALSO become part of the group.
investigators in this field estimate that between 70% and 100% of
the population are affected or influenced by one or more discarnate
spirit entities at some time in their life. (Berg, 1984, p. 50; Fiore,
mental or physical symptom or condition, strong emotion, repressed
negative feeling, conscious or unconscious need can act like a magnet
to attract a discarnate entity with the same or similar emotion, condition,
need, or feeling. Anger and rage, fear and terror, sadness and grief,
guilt, remorse or feelings of the need for punishment can invite entities
with similar feelings.
stress may cause susceptibility to the influence of an intrusive spirit.
Altering the consciousness with alcohol or drugs, especially the hallucinogens,
looses one's external ego boundaries and opens the subconsciious mind
to infestation by discarnate beings. The same holds true for the use
of strong analgesics and the anesthetic drugs necessary in surgery.
A codeine tablet taken for the relief of a dental extraction can sufficiently
alter the consciousness to allow entry to a spirit.
intrusions such as surgery or blood transfusion can lead to an entity
attachment. In the case of an organ transplant the spirit of the organ
donor can literally follow the transplanted organ into the new body.
Physical trauma, accidental falls, beatings or any blow to the head
can render a person vulnerable to an intrusive spirit.
intercourse can allow the exchange of attached entities between two
people. Sexual abuse creates vulnerability to spirit invaison.
person can have dozens, even hundreds of attached spirits as they
occupy no physical space. They can attach to the aura or float within
the aura, outside the body. If any part of the body of the host has
a physical weakness the earthbound can attach to that area because
of a corresponding weakness or injury to the physical body of the
spirit prior to death. A spirit can lodge in any of the chakras of
the hoset, drawn by the particular energy of the chakra or by the
physical structures of that level of the body.
with an earthbound spirit may be established by the purposeful choice
of either the spirit or the living human due to a strong emotional
bond between them in this life or in a previous lifetime together.
A grieving person can welcome the spirit of a dear departed one only
to find the consequences unbearable."
respect, one subject of mine was a Jewish fellow in his 70s who was
severely hunchbacked... and had been unable to get over the death of
his father some 50 years ago. Well, I suspected that the father had
never left, and I was right. But, I was surprised that the two of them
agreed to remain together until the death of the son when they made
a pact to go into the light together. The guy said he had lived this
long with this situation, even knowing now that it had been the cause
of his back twisting into such a terrible deformity, he wanted to "keep
his father with him." So, that was a funny case.
human can be affecdted by an attached spirit in many different ways.
The discarnate entity retains the psychic energy pattern of its own
ailments following death and can produce in the host any mental aberration
or emotional disturbance and any symptom of physical illness.
or inconsistent behavior can result from a shifting of control between
separate entities. This behavior is similar in appearance to the phenomenon
of switching between alters in MPD. This condition can be extremely
confusing and frightening for a person and for their family.
entity can be associated with any emotional track of a living person
such as anger, fear, sadness or guilt. The emotional energy of the
entity intensifies the expression of a specific emotion, often leading
to inappropriate overreactions to ordinary life situations.
MENTAL, EMOTIONAL AND PHYSICAL INFLUENCE OF AN ATTACHED ENTITY CAN
ALTER THE ORIGINAL PATH OF KARMIC OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES OF THE
HOST. IT CAN DISRUPT THE PLANNED LIFE LINE BY HASTENING DEATH OR PROLONGING
LIFE, THUS INTERFERING WITH ANY SPECIFIC CHECKOUT POINT. AN ENTITY
OF THE OPPOSITE GENDER CAN INFLUENCE THE SEXUAL PREFERENCE AND GENDER
ORIENTATION. AN ATTACHED ENTITY CAN INFLUENCE THE CHOICE OR MARRIAGE
PARTNERS AND THE CHOICE OF A PARTNER FOR AN EXTRA-MARITAL AFFAIR."
In my humble
opinion, the LACK of KNOWLEDGE about this is one of the chief reasons
that the "New Age" thinking has been so heaviliy inculcated with the
idea that one must not ever think about such negative things! If you
don't know, you can't fix! And, these 4th density STS dudes don't want
us to know what is going on! That's why they have created religions
and delivered "truths" in "chariots of light" for millennia... "just
have faith in ________ and all else will be okay!"
HOST IS USUALLY UNAWARE OF THE PRESENCE OF ATTACHED SPIRITS. The thoughts,
desires and behaviors of an attached entity are experienced as the
person's own thoughts, desires and behaviors. The thoughts, feelings,
habits and desires do not seem foreign if they have been present for
a long time, even from childhood. THIS IS A MAJOR FACTOF IN THE WIDESPREAD
DENIAL OF THE CONCEPT AND LACK OF ACCEPTANCE OF THE PHENOMENA OF DISCARNATE
INTERFERENCE AND SPIRIT ATTACHMENT, OBSESSION OR POSSESSION.
CASES, A PERSON CAN ONLY EXPERIENCE AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE REALITY OF
THE CONDITION AFTER AN ATTACHED ENTITY HAS BEEN RELEASED."
personal experience, I can assure you that this is so!
symptoms of spiritual attachment can be very subtle. An attached spirit
may be present without producing ANY noticeable symptoms. Yet attached
entities always exert some influence ranging from minor energy drains
to major control or interference. Complete possession or takeover
can result in suppression of the original personality. The earthbound
spirit does not replace the rightful spirit in the body in such a
case, it just usurps control. An attached earthbound spirit cannot
maintain life in a human body after the original spirit being has
separated from the body in the transition of death.
ATTACHMENT DOES NOT REQUIRE THE PERMISSION OF THE HOST."
contrary to a lot of religious and even "new age" philosophies, but
is clinically demonstrated over and over again.
seems to be a violation of free will. It also appears to refute the
popular notion that each person is totally responsible for creating
his or her reality and that there are no victims. The conflict exists
due to lack of knowledge."
and denial of the possibilities or spirit interference, there is no
search for knowledge regarding the definitions of permission and free
will choice. Denial of the existence of spirit attachment is no defense
against it and, in fact, constitutes a tacit acceptance of deception
by adoption of illusion. With limited, if any, knowledge and distorted
perceptions of the nature of the spirit world, the non-physical reality,
many people leave themselves open and create their own vulnerability
as part of creating their own reality!
fashionable today to 'channel my higher self' or 'spirit teachers'
or whatever. Without knowledge and an ability to discern, one is then
subject to the vagaries of any passing entity who hears the call.
'surround themselves with light,' or pray and specify 'for my highest
good' in their invocations. This constitutes permission and welcome
for a discarnate spirit who truly believes that it is acting 'for
your highest good.'"
a LOT of well-meaning dead dudes wandering in the lower astral planes
due to ingnorance or some sort of "affinity" to the earth, or even being
used as "pawns" of higher density STS beings. As Cayce always said:
a dead Presbyterian is just that: a dead Presbyterian!
the extensive knowledge of this therapy and the attendant dangers in
such enterprises that assisted us in the several years of work to "break
through" the lower astral to the higher realms. Knowing the techniques
of "differential diagnosis" and how effective they were, I regularly
applied them to all entities that communicated with us via the board.
In fact, we effected a number of "spirit releasements" via the board,
and some of the stories we were told by various entities were enough
to break your heart. One that sticks in my mind was a little girl who
had apparently died of leukemia and was "looking for her mother."
without the knowledge of these techniques and the regular application
of the "cleansing" and "viewing" and so on, one simply CANNOT be involved
in any kind of receiving in expanded states of consciousness without some attendant danger.
the case of shamanistic 'releasement" that is ever so popular: It works
if the subject and ALL attaching entities are of the same "belief" system.
But, a shaman who attempts to dislodge a devoutly Cathollic entity will
have a hard time, and vice versa! The accomplished therapist must wear
many hats: shaman, priest, psychologist, mother, friend, or whatever.
is a consideration for the "run of the mill" attachment situation. It
does NOT include the truly "demonic" or 4th and 5th density kind. That
is another kettle of fish altogether. In such cases, religious symbolism
is pretty useless. Only a united effort by two or more people can dislodge
such entities... but the fact is that the victim is generally unable
to function without them if they have been present a long time. The
rate of "relapse" with these types is high no matter what one does.
also very "difficult" dead dudes, as I call them. I had one such, along
with an assortment of "baby souls" that glommed onto me during several
visits to hospitals where my "bleeding heart" made me wide open to them.
And, I released all of them with great care and love... and some little
"twisted sister," as we like to call her, was something else! It took
a couple of people, numerous efforts and techniques, and some months
to get rid of THAT one. And the pain I suffered during the process was
beyond anything imaginable! She "lived" in my left shoulder and neck
area and had attached to me through several lifetimes... Seems that
we were twin sisters in one lifetime in Persia in the 1600's and were
in love with the same guy (or lust). An argument arose, it turned into
a pushing match, she ended up falling into a fire pit and died of her
injuries... hating me for her suffering and the loss of the object of
her love. So, she decided that I would never experience any peace or
happiness... and proceeded to make that a fact through the four subsequent
lifetimes, including the last where her influences guided certain decsions
that led to tragedy and my suicide.
it was SHE who wanted to be married to my ex-husband and manipulated
me through many twisted pathways to that end. SHE enjoyed being with
him ... pretty sick, in my opinion.
after learning the details of this situation both via guided imagery,
the C's and my own knowledge of the symptoms due to my work with others,
I was able to really perceive when my thoughts and feelings reflected
HER desires and not my own.
partly this knowledge that enabled me to break with my ex-husband, though
I will tell you that her attempts to make me go back were the torments
of Hell! But, finally, my therapist, knowing the story and situation,
and Freddie and I were able to "gang up" on her. The pain in the left
shoulder suddenly transferred to the right... and it was difficult to
"move" it for some weeks... then, in a great effort of will, telling
this gal mentally that NOTHING she did was going to make me go back
to the ex... that she could KILL me with pain, and the efforts of my
therapist and his needles and Reiki and his speaking to her and demainding
that she leave... well, it was like an explosion and I could feel the
"passing" like a sort of "giving birth" through my arm. It was pretty
amazing. Instant relief after YEARS of suffering!
funny thing is, a couple of hours later I received a call from my ex-father-in-law
telling me that my ex had fallen off the roof of a house and broken
his shoulder... at the exact time that "Twisted Sister" left.
wanted to be with him... And that's the story.
is: all there is is lessons. We suffer until we learn how not to suffer.
And that means leaving 3rd density STS - NOT changing it. That is not
our right. God has created it, it is what it is, and it has a purpose:
to be our classroom. We only need to figure out the lessons to graduate
- and that can be one of two ways: STS or STO. Default mode is to remain
mixed and never graduate.