Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

'Who is thirst for blood will choke in blood.'

US expands intel-sharing with Ukraine – media

27 Apr, 2022
Washington offers Kiev more US military intelligence to battle Russia

US Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines has reportedly lifted some restrictions on intelligence-sharing with Ukraine, sources told Bloomberg on Wednesday, adding that the expanded access is aimed at helping Kiev seize the breakaway republics in Donbass.

The source claimed Haines told Congress about the increased intel-sharing after Congressman Mike Turner (R-Ohio), the chief Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, insisted in a classified letter that the Biden administration remove any restrictions on sharing intelligence.

The source claimed Haines told Congress about the expanded intel-sharing after Congressman Mike Turner (R-Ohio), the chief Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, insisted in a classified letter that the Biden administration remove any restrictions on sharing intelligence.

Turner has long criticized the administration’s backing of Ukraine as insufficiently forceful, arguing for more weapons to be sent to Kiev by claiming this would somehow prevent an “actual direct conflict” between the US and Russia. However, Moscow has called for the US and Europe to stop arming Ukraine, claiming that the growing pile of arms sent Kiev’s way amounts to a proxy war against Russia.

Republicans from the Senate Intelligence Committee had previously urged Haines to “proactively share intelligence with the Ukrainians to help them protect, defend, and retake every inch of Ukraine’s sovereign territory” – a category, they argued, that includes the Crimea peninsula and the Lugansk and Donetsk republics of Donbass.

Last week, the US reportedly lifted some of its geographic limits on transferring “actionable information,” of the sort used in making split-second decisions on the field of battle, allegedly removing language related to specific locations in eastern Ukraine. However, the directive continues to limit information regarding military forces and potential targets across the border in Russia or Belarus.

The White House has previously held back on sharing such information “because that steps over the line to making us participating in the war,” Congressman Adam Smith (D-Washington), who chairs the House Armed Services Committee, said last month. The administration has also refused to give Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky the no-fly zone he initially demanded, viewing it as an escalation that would directly involve the US and NATO in the war.

However, some members of Congress have been more hawkish in their approach. Turner made a point last month of asking the NATO commander for Europe, General Tod Wolters, if he was “satisfied” with the speed at which information was reaching Ukraine.

Wolters replied that he was “comfortable” but would like to see it “speed up,” adding that he would “say that even if it occurs in one second, I want it tomorrow to be in a half a second.”
 
Russian President Vladimir Putin 04/27/2022. Meeting with the Council of Legislators

Vladimir Putin: I would like to emphasize once again that if someone intends to intervene in the ongoing events from the outside and creates strategic threats for Russia that are unacceptable to us, they should know that our retaliatory strikes will be lightning-fast and fast. We have all the tools for this. The kind that no one else can boast of right now. And we won't brag. We will use them if needed. And I want everyone to know about it - we have made all the decisions on this matter!

You can find the full transcript here:


I can’t copy paste it at the moment. As speculated earlier, I think Putin makes it clear with that statement that they will use the new hypersonic weapons not only in Ukraine but also if NATO is really so foolish to put weapon systems up in places like finland. And they have every right to do so.

I think we can prepare for such a szenario should the west really be that reckless. They’ll probably hit those weapons Systems and the west will puff and bluff afterwards but won’t take on Russia directly in a WW3 scenario. They can’t do anything about it.
 
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My mobile phone have done some corrections :( Not Borussia it is Russia :P
So to text with the smartphone is realy hard... Edit: I see there are more misstakes because of this :/
If operating system of your phone is android then you may consider disabling auto-correct.

If your fingers are too big to press correct keys then there are different on-screen-keyboards, but this also comes with a risk, as those may have malicious software build-in such as keyloggers, so typing passwords on those is a big no (but You may switch to stock keyboard to type password, save that password and then switch back to keyboard that is comfortable to type on).

If you don't mind having bulky smartphone then there are some smartphones with hardware qwerty, but those things are very, very rare and either are sold at ridiculous price or work have outdated hardware and software.
 
This is not exactly in the topic of the thread but related to the situation in the energy sector caused indirectly by the military operation in Ukraine.
Within a few days there were disasters in two coal mines in Poland.
It is known that in connection with the "climate policy" mines in our country were closed and most of the coal was purchased in Russia.
Now we could use our resources to secure our raw material.
I could be wrong, but I don't think it's a coincidence that these accidents happened right now.

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Especially since the UK is currently thinking about opening new mines.

 

Germany tried to make payments from a Gazprom subsidiary which they illegally seized in order to continue to buy gas which they can send to countries which will not pay in rubles so that they can comply with their own sanctions so that they can hurt Russia.

I would have infinitely more respect for them if they would just do us all the courtesy of actually dressing as clowns for all public announcements 🤡
 

WAR IN UKRAINE DAY 63: WRETCHED PRO-KYIV FORCES LAUNCH BALLISTIC MISSILE STRIKES ON CITIES IN EAST AND SOUTH OF UKRAINE​

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War In Ukraine Day 63: Wretched Pro-Kyiv Forces Launch Ballistic Missile Strikes On Cities In East And South Of Ukraine
Mariupol
Overnight on April 28, the Ukrainian Armed Forces launched a massive missile strike with Tochka-U ballistic missiles and high-powered multiple rocket launchers on residential areas in the central part of the city of Kherson in southern Ukraine. The target of the missile attack on Kherson was residential areas around Ushakov Avenue, where kindergartens, schools and many social institutions are also located.
The city as well as the rest of Kherson Region are under control of Russian forces.
Russian air defense units repelled the Ukrainian missile attack. Twelve shells of a high-powered multiple launch rocket system were shot downas well as two Tochka-U ballistic missiles were intercepted in the air over the city. Fragments of one of the downed Ukrainian Tochka-U missiles fell in Shevchenko Park.

Meanwhile, Russian air defense forces also repelled an attack by a Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missile on residential areas of the city of Izyum, Kharkiv Region. The target of the strike was the city hospital, where the Russian medical detachment is located. This facility provides assistance to the population of Kharkiv Region.
“The Kyiv nationalist regime’s indiscriminate missile strikes on the residential areas of Izyum and Kherson are a war crime and a flagrant violation of international humanitarian law,” the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.
Indiscriminate artillery and missiles strikes aimed at residential areas are not something new for the Kyiv government. Nonetheless, the recent developments demonstrate that Kyiv’s forces are trigger happy to shell residential areas not only in the region of Donbass.
War In Ukraine Day 63: Wretched Pro-Kyiv Forces Launch Ballistic Missile Strikes On Cities In East And South Of Ukraine
Slavyansk direction
Meanwhile, the Russian Armed Forces and people’s militias of DPR and LPR continue their steady advance on Kyiv’s positions in the east of Ukraine.
Reports appeared that clashes resumed around the Azovstal plant area controlled by pro-Kyiv radicals in Mariupol city. Members of the Azov Battalion and allied detachments that are surrounded there consider it impossible to lay down arms and surrender via proposed humanitarian corridor because of multiple well-documented war crimes that they have committed. So, they continue to keep hostage civilians there and release endless appeals to “international community” about the need to rescue them.
Another hot point on the frontline is Severodonetsk and Popasnaya. Positions of Kyiv’s forces remained there are well fortified. Therefore the advance of Russian-led forces there are in the conditions of the absence of large-scale offensive operations along the entire frontline is slowed down.

In the south of Kharkiv Region, around Izum city, intense fighting continues along the entire area of the foothold created by Russian forces there. Russian units are advancing towards the Barvenko-Slavyansk road.
In general, the tactic of Kyiv’s forces can be considered as an attempt to buy as much as possible time to prepare additional fortificatinos in the area of the cities of Slavyanks and Kramatorks that they see as their key strong point in this part of the region in the near future.
In own turn, it seems that Russia currently bets on its massive fire power, including ability to strike targets deep inside the territory controlled by Kyiv with high-precision weapons. Thus, the Russian military keeps the strategic initiative and wants to create the lack resources for Kyiv’s forces remaining on the frontline thus pushing them to withdraw from well-fortified positions avoiding the need of large-scale storms of them.
Additionally on April 28, the Russian Defense Ministry released update on Russia’s strikes on targets in Ukraine.
According to it, during the night, high-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces defeated four military facilities in Ukraine. This included two areas of concentration of manpower and military equipment. Also, two depots of rocket and artillery weapons and ammunition were destroyed in the areas of Barvenkovo and Ivanovka.
At the same time, Russian operational-tactical and army aviation hit 67 military facilities of Ukraine. The targets included six command posts, two company strong points, two large depots of rocket and artillery weapons and fuel in the settlements of Preobrazhenka and Orekhov, as well as 55 places of concentration of manpower and military equipment.
More than 300 members of Kyiv’s forces and up to 40 vehicles were destroyed.
Russian rocket troops and artillery completed 408 fire missions during the night. 18 command posts and 383 areas of concentration of manpower and Ukrainian military equipment were hit.
Also, Russian air defense systems shot down a Su-24 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force over the village of Nikolaevka in the Luhansk People’s Republic.
Five Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were shot down in the areas of Veselohorivka, Zatishnoe, Novomikhailovka, Lyubimovka, Kharkiv.
Russia says that since the beginning of the special military operation, Russian forces have destroyed 142 aircraft, 111 helicopters, 614 unmanned aerial vehicles, 276 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,623 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 299 multiple rocket launchers, 1,146 field artillery pieces and mortars, as well as 2,431 unit of special military vehicles.
US-supplied weapons are on their way to Ukraine:
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Meanwhile, a video appeared online allegedly showing the movement of Romanian military equipment in the direction of Moldova and Transnistria (which borders Ukraine). Just recently Transnistria, officially known as the Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic (PMR), was hit by a series of terrorist attacks . Transnistrian President Vadim Krasnoselsky placed the region on terrorist alert on April 26.

The Transnistrian region has been in a state of frozen conflict for decades. The PMR declared its separation from Moldova in 1990. Until 1992 there were fighting, which ended with the signing of the agreement “On the principles of the settlement of the armed conflict in the Pridnestrovian region of the Republic of Moldova”. Since the end of the active phase of the Transnistrian conflict, which began during the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russian peacekeeping forces have been deployed in the republic.
Now, with the international secalation over Ukraine and the further involvement of NATO into the conflict on the side of the Kyiv government, the possibility of the NATO-led attack on Transnistria is increasing. This would be especially likely if the NATO leadership decided to prevent the Russian operation to take control of the key Ukrainian port city of Odessa, which is located just near Transnistria.

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'Justification for establishing a no-fly zone over the Ukraine, for deploying NATO "peacekeepers" to Ukraine and for using nuclear weapons against Russia.'


US Has Reportedly Readied Contingency Plans in Event Top Weaponry is Used in Ukraine Crisis

By Kirill Kurevlev - 4 hours ago
'The deployment of NATO "peacekeepers" to Ukraine would be considered as "NATO territory".'
'One of the scenarios for deploying NATO "peacekeepers" to "NATO territory" to fight Russia.'

Russian spy boss reveals Polish plans for Ukraine split

28 Apr, 2022
The land grab is envisaged as achievable by deploying Polish troops in the west of the country, Sergey Naryshkin claims

Intelligence obtained by Russia suggests that Poland and the US are working on a plan for Warsaw to regain control of Ukrainian areas that Warsaw considers as “historically belonging” to it, Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) chief Sergey Naryshkin has said.

According to the alleged plan, the first stage of this “reunification” will see Polish “peacekeepers” deployed in western Ukraine under the pretext of “protection from Russian aggression,” Naryshkin revealed in a statement on Thursday.

The details of the operation are now being discussed between Warsaw and the Biden administration, he claimed, adding that it’s going to be carried out without a NATO mandate, with only volunteer countries taking part.

Warsaw has so far been unable to find any other nations to join its cause, he added. But the Polish authorities aren’t bothered by it all as they’re themselves interested in having less “unnecessary witnesses” to their actions, Naryshkin said.

Despite the announced goal of countering Moscow, the Polish troops are planned to be deployed in parts of Ukraine where they’ll have almost no real chance of engaging Russian forces, he pointed out.

According to the Russian data, the actual “tactical objective” of the Polish troops will be reclaiming control of strategic facilities from the Ukrainian National Guard. Poland’s intelligence services are apparently currently searching for “reliable” members of the Ukrainian elite, who would be willing to form a pro-Warsaw counterbalance to the Ukrainian nationalists.

The Polish government assumes that entrenching its forces in western Ukraine would, with a high probability, lead to the split of the country, he claimed. In this case, control over the territories where the peacekeepers are going to be deployed will remain in the hands of Warsaw, the spy chief said.

The plan appears to be an attempt, he pointed out, to repeat the historic deal that was struck after World War I and saw the Western nations accepting Warsaw’s right to occupy, in the first instance, parts of Ukraine to protect its people from the “Bolshevik threat” and, later, to include those areas into the Polish state.
 
Was this intended as the all awaiting false flag.


RUSSIAN FORCES SHOT DOWN POLISH-MADE LOITERING MUNITIONS NEAR UKRAINIAN NUCLEAR PLANT (PHOTOS)​

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Russian Forces Shot Down Polish-Made Loitering Munitions Near Ukrainian Nuclear Plant (Photos)
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On April 27, Russian forces shot down two Polish-made Warmate loitering munition, which were launched by Kiev forces, over the city of Enerhodar in Zaporizhzhia Oblast.
The two loitering munitions were reportedly on their way to attack Enerhodar City Administration building and the nearby Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant when they were detected and shot down by the Russian National Guard. Kiev forces might have planned to blame the Russian military for the attack.
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The Warmate, which was developed by WB Electronics, has a range of 40 kilometers and an endurance of up to 50 minutes. The two munitions used in the failed attack on Enerhodar were armed with an RDX-packed high-explosive warheads.
The loitering munition relies on a GPS-aided inertial navigation system. For target detection and terminal guidance, the munition is equipped with a fixed electro-optical seeker.
Russian Forces Shot Down Polish-Made Loitering Munitions Near Ukrainian Nuclear Plant (Photos)
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Russian Forces Shot Down Polish-Made Loitering Munitions Near Ukrainian Nuclear Plant (Photos)
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The Armed Forces of Ukraine purchased an unknown number of Warmate loitering munitions from Poland a few years ago. After the start of the Russian special military operation, Polish plans to supply Kiev with more loitering munitions of this type were reported.
The loitering munition was spotted with Kiev forces very recently. However, there is still no evidence of any successful attack with the system.
Loitering munitions like the Warmate pose a real threat to Russian forces operating in Ukraine. However, as evident by the failed attack on Enerhodar, it is possible to detect small loitering munitions and shot them down.
The US is currently working to supply Kiev with more loitering munitions. Washington wants to arm Kiev forces with hundreds of Switchblade 300 and 600 loitering munitions as well as with more than a hundred of a previously-unknown loitering system dubbed the Phoenix Ghost.
 

UKRAINIAN ARMY SHELLED SOKOL MARKET IN KIROVSKY DISTRICT OF DONETSK, DPR (PHOTO, VIDEO 18+)​

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Five people died at the scene and 21 were wounded, including two minors, as a result of the AFU shelling of the Kirov district from BM-21 Grad MLRS.
Ukrainian Army Shelled Sokol Market In Kirovsky District Of Donetsk, DPR (Photo, Video 18+)
Ukrainian Army Shelled Sokol Market In Kirovsky District Of Donetsk, DPR (Photo, Video 18+)
Ukrainian Army Shelled Sokol Market In Kirovsky District Of Donetsk, DPR (Photo, Video 18+)
Ukrainian Army Shelled Sokol Market In Kirovsky District Of Donetsk, DPR (Photo, Video 18+)
Ukrainian Army Shelled Sokol Market In Kirovsky District Of Donetsk, DPR (Photo, Video 18+)
Ukrainian Army Shelled Sokol Market In Kirovsky District Of Donetsk, DPR (Photo, Video 18+)
Ukrainian Army Shelled Sokol Market In Kirovsky District Of Donetsk, DPR (Photo, Video 18+)
Ukrainian Army Shelled Sokol Market In Kirovsky District Of Donetsk, DPR (Photo, Video 18+)
Ukrainian Army Shelled Sokol Market In Kirovsky District Of Donetsk, DPR (Photo, Video 18+)
Ukrainian Army Shelled Sokol Market In Kirovsky District Of Donetsk, DPR (Photo, Video 18+)
A civilian facility with large crowds of people in the daytime was deliberately targeted. Ukrainian official propaganda supports and disseminates Nazi calls for the extermination of the Russian-speaking population, including children. There are currently hundreds of testimonies and video evidence confirming this. Readers can find out about many of them on our website.

“All the injured are being provided with necessary medical assistance in the republic’s health care institutions,” the DNR Health Ministry said.
Earlier, it was reported that in Donetsk, the Petrovskyy district and the Tekstilshchyk district were shelled from Ukraine’s Grad MLRS. As a result of the shelling of Kirovskyy district, the Mercury market was hit.
 

MILITARY SITUATION ON DONETSK FRONT ON 28 APRIL 2022 AND FORECAST OF CONFLICT’S DEVELOPMENT​

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Military Situation On Donetsk Front On 28 April 2022 And Forecast Of Conflict's Development
Fierce fighting continues in the area south of Izyum along the entire perimeter of the Russian bridgehead. There are tactical advances of the Russian and DPR Armed Forces almost everywhere.
According to available reports, the fiercest fighting is taking place on the right flank of the offensive, near the village of Velyka Kamyshevakha, as well as at the “cutting edge” of the offensive, in the centre of the bridgehead, near the village of Novaya Dmytrivka. After capturing Novaya Dmitrovka, the Russian troops will approach directly to the Barvenkovo-Slaviansk highway and threaten to cut it off.
Military Situation On Donetsk Front On 28 April 2022 And Forecast Of Conflict's Development
The fighting is continuous in character. The AFU has enough manpower to prevent Russian troops from making a deep breakthrough anywhere, despite the lengthening of the front line in this area.
At the same time, the Ukrainian armed forces continue to pull back their units from the remaining bridgehead on the left bank of the Seversky Donets – from the Liman-Yampil area and the Severodonetsk salient, retaining their most advanced positions to the east between Severodonetsk and Popasna, where fierce fighting continues.
It is likely that the AFU will soon leave Liman and withdraw its troops to reinforce the flanks of its grouping – near Barvenkovo and Sloviansk.
The Russian and DPR Armed Forces were unable to prevent this and encircle the AFU units.
On the whole, despite heavy losses, the AFU units are defending competently and persistently. The Ukrainian command staked on buying time and inflicting maximum losses on the advancing units of the Russian Armed Forces and the L/DPR.
Military Situation On Donetsk Front On 28 April 2022 And Forecast Of Conflict's Development
Military Situation On Donetsk Front On 28 April 2022 And Forecast Of Conflict's Development
The Russian troops ahead of them will face a huge and pre-prepared Slavyansk-Kramatorsk agglomeration, which has been prepared for a prolonged defence. The Ukrainian Armed Forces will definitely not surrender it until the last opportunity, defending it as a “besieged fortress”. Military experts note that the fate of the remnants of the Mariupol garrison is very important in this connection. If they are freed or interned, the garrison of Sloviansk-Kramatorsk will defend just as long and hard.
In the south, near Gulyai Polje and Orekhovo, the situation is without significant change. The southern part of the “pincers” of the advancing Russian units has stalled.
Near Donetsk, in the central area, the situation is generally unchanged too. There is a calm in most areas. Intense fighting is taking place only in the area north of Avdeevka, where the DPR Armed Forces have had some tactical successes.
Military Situation On Donetsk Front On 28 April 2022 And Forecast Of Conflict's Development
Overall, it is worth expecting that intense fighting in Donbass will continue for many weeks. This could allow the AFU to carry out wide maneuvering of its strategic reserves, which Kiev is now building up on the basis of both mobilized Ukrainian citizens and numerous units of NATO military personnel who arrive in Ukraine under the guise of foreign volunteers or mercenaries.
A particular threat exists for Transnistria. Around this small unrecognised republic, on the one side, the Polish, Romanian and Moldovan armed forces are concentrating thousands of troops, while on the other side the Ukrainian armed forces are deploying new units formed by foreigners, including Turkish nationalists from the far-right organisation Grey Wolves.
Military Situation On Donetsk Front On 28 April 2022 And Forecast Of Conflict's Development

On 28 April, the Polish Defence Ministry announced that there would be intensive movement of convoys with equipment in the country’s north and east from 1 May until the end of the month due to “military exercises”.
Earlier, the Russian intelligence service stated that the Polish military’s priority “combat tasks” would include the gradual seizure of control over strategic facilities in western Ukraine.
Poland is in discussions with the US administration over an upcoming action to “reunite” with western Ukraine. According to Warsaw’s estimates, the entrenchment of the Polish military in western Ukraine is highly likely to split the country.
NATO countries have stepped up arms deliveries to Kiev, including heavy military equipment and advanced weaponry. The likelihood that the conflict in Ukraine will escalate into a full-scale direct and open war between NATO and Russia by the summer of 2022 is extremely high. Recent statements and actions of the US and EU leadership show that the decision to enter into a war with Russia soon is likely to have been made.

 
This report is nearly 3 weeks ago now, but I hung on to it, to see if the other shoe would drop. A Chinese armada of sorts flying over Turkey, (NATO space, right?) to Serbia, then returned? The article “speculates” that they were delivering weapons, but there are no reports or fact to support that. For me it was a blip on the radar as to China possibly involving itself in the European debacle, but at this point…dunno? Could just be, China doing weapons sales.

"Unlike just flying to Russia, it would need the Y-20s to fly through several other countries in order to reach Serbia from China, so China must have had much coordination and communication with these countries and gained their authorization in order to realize the flight, Song said."

"The mission of the Y-20s to Serbia remains unknown, with thedrive.com speculating that the aircraft could be delivering the FK-3, the export version of the Chinese HQ-22 surface-to-air missile system, to Serbia."

China's military cargo planes land in Serbia -- Puppet Masters -- Sott.net
 
Russian President Vladimir Putin 04/27/2022. Meeting with the Council of Legislators

Vladimir Putin: I would like to emphasize once again that if someone intends to intervene in the ongoing events from the outside and creates strategic threats for Russia that are unacceptable to us, they should know that our retaliatory strikes will be lightning-fast and fast. We have all the tools for this. The kind that no one else can boast of right now. And we won't brag. We will use them if needed. And I want everyone to know about it - we have made all the decisions on this matter!
How come they haven't retaliated against NATO for blowing up the Moskva then?
 
How come they haven't retaliated against NATO for blowing up the Moskva then?
Are you talking about the cruiser Moskva? Very strange question, if you know what I mean...

1) There is no official confirmation that this is NATO, an investigation is underway;
2) During the hostilities, both cruisers and generals die - should the general staff stop fulfilling their duties and start shooting at NATO for revenge? What is it like?))
3) The Russian army does not know revenge - there are tasks, they are carried out, for the sake of peace and freedom, and not for the sake of revenge. Fools take revenge on each other, and Putin is a judoka.
4) Revenge is a dish served cold;) You don't think that Putin will freak out and bomb Europe, do you? You don't think so, do you?

Perhaps you somehow see the sinking of the cruiser called Moscow in a different way, that this is some kind of humiliating blow, but we in Russia do not perceive it as such, there is nothing offensive here, and the army follows orders. Но старый крейсер ничто по сравнению с дельфинами!

:lol:
 
@Beau How come they haven't retaliated against NATO for blowing up the Moskva then?



Good point, and one I have been thinking about lately. Psaki has said she’s not going to listen to empty threats, when discussing the Russian warnings. And at face value, she has a point. Russia has said it will be swift and deal with (Paraphrasing of course) any country that involves itself in this operation. And thus far there have been several violations of that.

Having said that, the game isn’t over yet, and I’m assuming at this point, that it is more like chess than checkers i.e., time and thought is needed in between each move. Also, if Russia moves against other countries, the whole game changes. Something that would need to be thought through. Operate on your own timing and schedule, not your advisory’s.

I’m not wishing for all hell to break loose, but I watch closely to see if people/governments do what they say and say what they do.
 
This report is nearly 3 weeks ago now, but I hung on to it, to see if the other shoe would drop. A Chinese armada of sorts flying over Turkey, (NATO space, right?) to Serbia, then returned? The article “speculates” that they were delivering weapons, but there are no reports or fact to support that. For me it was a blip on the radar as to China possibly involving itself in the European debacle, but at this point…dunno? Could just be, China doing weapons sales.

"Unlike just flying to Russia, it would need the Y-20s to fly through several other countries in order to reach Serbia from China, so China must have had much coordination and communication with these countries and gained their authorization in order to realize the flight, Song said."

"The mission of the Y-20s to Serbia remains unknown, with thedrive.com speculating that the aircraft could be delivering the FK-3, the export version of the Chinese HQ-22 surface-to-air missile system, to Serbia."

China's military cargo planes land in Serbia -- Puppet Masters -- Sott.net

Yes, China delivered FK-3 to Serbia.

Serbia confirms procurement of Chinese FK-3 air defense missile system

Serbia has procured the Chinese FK-3 air defense missile system, Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic reportedly confirmed on Wednesday, after reports emerged on Saturday that the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force was delivering the air defense equipment via Y-20 large transport aircraft.

As the export version of the PLA's HQ-22, the FK-3 can significantly enhance Serbia's national defense capabilities, at a time when NATO is dividing the world and could complicate the security situation around Serbia, Chinese analysts said on Wednesday.

Serbia procured the Chinese FK-3 air defense missile system transparently, complying with laws and regulations, and it followed procedures, Vucic said, China Central Television (CCTV) reported on Wednesday. Vucic was accused by other politicians of "arming the country by the hands of competitors of Europe and NATO."

Serbia has found its own path based on the will of its people, and the Serbian people are proud of themselves for protecting their own country by themselves rather than letting NATO do it in their names, Vucic was quoted in the CCTV report as saying.

The CCTV report came after foreign reports said a large number of the PLA Air Force's Y-20 cargo planes were spotted in Serbia on Saturday, and speculation claimed that the FK-3 air defense missile system was being delivered to the Serbian military.

The FK-3 is an all-weather, medium-to-long range surface-to-air defense missile system that can carry out missions in complex electromagnetic environments. It can intercept targets including fixed-wing aircraft, drones, cruise missiles, tactical air-to-ground missiles and helicopters, according to promotional materials distributed at previous defense exhibitions.

As a medium-altitude air defense weapon comparable to the US' Patriot air defense missile, the FK-3 missile system can serve as a powerful deterrent against aircraft including fighter jets and bombers that are on missions like defense penetration, precision strikes and bombing, Wang Ya'nan, chief editor of Aerospace Knowledge magazine, told the Global Times on Wednesday.

It will play a very important role for Serbia at a time when the security situation in Europe is changing, Wang said. As the conflict between Russia and Ukraine goes on, many countries are gravitating toward or away from the West, and the US-led NATO is the one that is dividing the world, he said.

Serbia has been a victim of air raids, so it is natural that the country invests in its air defense capabilities, analysts said. In 1999, NATO launched a 78-day bombing of Yugoslavia, causing thousands of casualties including three Chinese citizens, and displacing hundreds of thousands.

As an air defense system, the FK-3 is defensive in nature, and it will not harm regional peace and stability, experts said.

In order to carry out an annually scheduled cooperation project between China and Serbia, China recently sent transport aircraft of the PLA Air Force to Serbia to deliver normal military goods, Zhao Lijian, spokesperson of China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said at a regular press conference on Monday, when a reporter asked him to confirm if China recently delivered the HQ-22 air defense system to Serbia, and if the move was related to the current situation in Ukraine.

This project is not targeted at any third party, nor is it related to the current situation, Zhao said, noting that media should not interpret it too much.

 
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