War in Israel-Palestine - October 2023
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Evan
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What say we start with enforcing the Oslo Accords? How about that one where Israel must have leave all occupied territories?
We will no longer remain silent in the face of the UN's hypocrisy!
I instructed the Ministry of Foreign Affairs not to extend the visa of one of the organization's employees in Israel, and to deny the visa request of another employee.
The conduct of the UN since October 7th is…
— אלי כהן | Eli Cohen (@elicoh1) December 25, 2023
Israeli destruction of northern Gaza continues, food prices soar: Report
www.middleeasteye.net
‘Massacre’ as Israel steps up Gaza bombardment for Christmas
The attacks in central Gaza are some of the deadliest of the nearly three-month-long war.www.aljazeera.com
Then we can begin a conversation about hypocrisy. Not simply because some bit suits you today.
Power Outages Across Israel Traced to Production Fault Amid Cyber Attack Fears
Production Fault, not Cyber AttackThe Israel Electric Corporation clarified that the cause of the outages was not a cyber incident but a production fault. They explained that the shutdown of two power production units led to load shedding, which resulted in the outages. The National Cyber Directorate echoed this explanation, confirming that no cyber incident had been recognized.
Power Outages Across Israel Traced to Production Fault Amid Cyber Attack Fears
In a surprising turn of events, residents across multiple regions in Israel, including Tel Aviv, Ramat Gan, Herzliya, Ashkelon, and Be’er Sheva reported widespread power outages this evening. Initial anxieties pointed towards the possibility of a cyber attack, but both the Israel Electric...
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Israel has possibly the best cyber army to prevent attacks of this type. If they happen, it is because they want them to happen.
This is interesting, I mean Israel will take whatever opportunity to hit Iran, and if they get to spread the conflict elsewhere then all the better for them I think. But, it reminded me of Soleimani I wonder if similar factors were at play with this one.
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IOF message is clear, terrorize the Palestinians and the world in the same sending, they still do not realize that they also send messages to the univers, I would like to believe that they universe will not be condescending. Apparent justice, I just want them to stop. 
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FIELD EXECUTIONS, MASS DETENTIONS.
Alarming footage of Israeli forces turning a stadium in Gaza into a mass detention camp. The video shows the detention of hundreds of civilians, including women, elders, and BABIES.
@EuroMedHR has confirmed that the Israeli forces are carrying out field executions against civilians in Gaza after forcibly removing them from displacement centers and stripping them.
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Douglas Murray just makes my blood boil. What a condescending, self-righteous, psychopathic liar.
Cenk didn't do a good job of representing the Palestinian cause, but at least his conscience is still intact.
Make sure you have a barf bag in case you decide to put yourself through this ordeal.
Cenk didn't do a good job of representing the Palestinian cause, but at least his conscience is still intact.
Make sure you have a barf bag in case you decide to put yourself through this ordeal.
@Ðekel , just wanted to thank you for explaining better in the last three pages of this thread. I think I understand better now. I was one of the ones who took your posts as "propaganda", but now that you have stated your position, it's clear.
And in reply to your question, I think that it's not worth it to go to protests and such if it can put you at risk. Because you can help others who are asking only if you stay alive and safe. And you may be in a very interesting position to do so, if ever needed. FWIW.
As for being witnesses when effects aren't noticeable, that has been one of our lessons, yes. You start off hoping for a change, and then, you sit back and enjoy the show, as the Cs say. From our perspective, it's not what I'd call "enjoyable", but I get their meaning. And, at levels that we aren't always aware off, it does make a difference when we do our best to See. So, it's not wasted, just because we can't take direct action.
Just as example, 15 years ago hardly anyone knew about psychopathy or ponerology. Nowadays, that knowledge has spread quite a lot, and people still write to us saying how much that helped them understand the world, their lives, themselves, etc. So, it's just a "grain of salt" in an ocean of lies, but you never know how many ripples that will create. I may be too optimistic, but that gives me hope. Not for the whole of humanity, and not even for particular nations who have a specific path and their own lessons, as sad as it is to witness it. But in the sense that it shows there IS some free will, and that if we put the information out there, those who wish to align themselves with it, and are in a position to do so, will.
And in reply to your question, I think that it's not worth it to go to protests and such if it can put you at risk. Because you can help others who are asking only if you stay alive and safe. And you may be in a very interesting position to do so, if ever needed. FWIW.
As for being witnesses when effects aren't noticeable, that has been one of our lessons, yes. You start off hoping for a change, and then, you sit back and enjoy the show, as the Cs say. From our perspective, it's not what I'd call "enjoyable", but I get their meaning. And, at levels that we aren't always aware off, it does make a difference when we do our best to See. So, it's not wasted, just because we can't take direct action.
Just as example, 15 years ago hardly anyone knew about psychopathy or ponerology. Nowadays, that knowledge has spread quite a lot, and people still write to us saying how much that helped them understand the world, their lives, themselves, etc. So, it's just a "grain of salt" in an ocean of lies, but you never know how many ripples that will create. I may be too optimistic, but that gives me hope. Not for the whole of humanity, and not even for particular nations who have a specific path and their own lessons, as sad as it is to witness it. But in the sense that it shows there IS some free will, and that if we put the information out there, those who wish to align themselves with it, and are in a position to do so, will.
happyliza
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Our studies in this group are recorded and shared on utube for all to benefit. Plus our co-ordinator shares such a screenshot every week too. Everything we do is shared in public except the locked mediumship practice - for obvious safety and confidentiality reasons
Thank you for this @Chu
The part I bolded is my lesson now. Sometimes I have glimpses of the "sit back" part but as you stated, not the "enjoy the show" part.
It's hard to sit back when we see that things need to drastically and quickly be done. But it has become obvious that this is fighting fire with fire.
Whenever the canons and such are brought out we try to get out of dodge, but of course they corral the crowd before shooting.
I have been steering clear of the crowded / areas that can be fenced off recently.
Sometimes it feels as though the "little" picture and the big picture don't mesh. Sort of like Relativity and quantumn mechanics
Curious about US officials', including Trump's, comments on that strike.
Every time I hear some US politicians talk, what comes to mind is the saying "those whom the gods want to destroy, they first make them mad" (paraphrasing). I think the assassination of the Iranian general falls within the provocation of Iran (like the bombing of Syria and Lebanon) to push the US and its vassals into a war on Iran. Maybe (speculation) they have something in mind for their final solution in Gaza, Palestine or the Levant in general that requires the eyes of the world looking towards Iran rather than towards Palestine.
Same here, thank you for explaining, @Ðekel.
Taking a stand against any injustice and genocide does not necessarily mean that we have to be out in the streets. I think it starts first by fiercely opposing it in our hearts and then by finding creative ways to add "our voice" to the message being broadcasted by others who feel the way we do. We add to the frequency we want to send out, so to speak. When I share and like on social media, for example, I feel as if I am fighting against the disinformation war with comrades, encouraging each other to go on, sharing little glimpses of hope, helping each other feel we are not alone. And especially in Israel, the people who feel the way you do are probably more in need of this support than anyone else. You will know best who needs it the most, I am only aware of the Break the Silence group.
So social media sharing and support, writing, videos, poetry, art, music, etc, each can be a little string connecting with all the others from all over the world to carry our message out in the cosmos. And even if our "little" has no directly visible effects on what is going on, our message to the universe is clear. And then it's up to the universe to do the rest, to do what's best, in all its wisdom. In the end, even if nothing came out of it, we can look back and feel that we did the best we could, we stood with truth and all that is human and courageous and beautiful and good, and we can watch our life review in the afterlife with a clearer heart.
But I am pretty sure that something always comes out of it.
I hope this helps inspire you a bit.
One of the most famous Marrano Jews of modern times was Pope Paul VI (family name Montini). He was expelled from Rome in the 1950's by Pope Pius XII for conducting secret negotiations with communist leaders without Vatican approval, after Pius XII was tipped off by the CIA. Pope Pius famously said he would never be made a cardinal over his dead body, which is what then happened. When Pius XII was succeeded by the more liberal John XXIII, Montini was called back to Rome and made a cardinal, later succeeding Pope John as Pope Paul VI. He would preside over the disastrous Second Vatican Council in the 1960's and would introduce under his own papal authority a completely new rite of Mass in the vernacular in 1970. Why mention any of this? Well when he promulgated this new rite of Mass, he did so by choosing to wear the Ephod, the vestments of a Jewish High Priest. To this day, I have never found an explanation for why he did this. I can only think he was deliberately signalling a connection to his Marrano Jewish ancestors. Given the poisonous fruits of Vatican 2, which continue to this day with the current incumbent of the see of Peter throwing his lot in with the New World Order and the United Nations, I can only think he was taking some sort of revenge for the Inquisition and the forced conversion of his ancestors.
Let us not forget that an English London Times reporter in Russia during the Russian Revolution reported that 90% of the Bolshevik leadership were Jewish. So, is it really surprising that "In 1934, the Jewish Autonomous Oblast was formed in the Russian Far East to show that, like other national groups in the Soviet Union, Russian Jews could receive a territory in which to pursue cultural autonomy in a socialist framework."
Then there was the strange case of Lord Northcliffe (Alfred Charles William Harmsworth) who was that aforementioned reporter's boss*, since he part owned The London Times as well as owning the entirety of the influential British Daily Mail newspaper. He was avowedly anti-Zionist and opposed to the Balfour Declaration. He would mysteriously fall ill shortly after his visit to Palestine in 1921 leading to his eventual death in August 1922, which proved to be a critical loss for Palestinians seeking supporters in the British press. It has been argued, however, that Northcliffe's editorial attacks on the Balfour Declaration would have gained more weight had they also spread to The Times but presumably he did not have the same degree of editorial control over The Times as he did over the Daily Mail.
*Northcliffe was also the boss of the author and commentator Douglas Reed who wrote the Controversy of Zion, a book that has been mentioned before on this Forum and is well worth reading.
Northcliffe met with and was much influenced by Jacob Israël de Haan (31 December 1881 – 30 June 1924) a Dutch Jewish literary writer, lawyer and journalist who emigrated to Palestine in 1919, and was assassinated in Jerusalem in 1924 by the Zionist paramilitary organization Haganah for his anti-Zionist political activities. Ironically de Haan had started out as an enthusiastic Zionist supporter but changed his mind after living in Palestine among the Arabs.
This is a description of de Haan prior to his departure for Palestine:Let us not forget that an English London Times reporter in Russia during the Russian Revolution reported that 90% of the Bolshevik leadership were Jewish. So, is it really surprising that "In 1934, the Jewish Autonomous Oblast was formed in the Russian Far East to show that, like other national groups in the Soviet Union, Russian Jews could receive a territory in which to pursue cultural autonomy in a socialist framework."
Then there was the strange case of Lord Northcliffe (Alfred Charles William Harmsworth) who was that aforementioned reporter's boss*, since he part owned The London Times as well as owning the entirety of the influential British Daily Mail newspaper. He was avowedly anti-Zionist and opposed to the Balfour Declaration. He would mysteriously fall ill shortly after his visit to Palestine in 1921 leading to his eventual death in August 1922, which proved to be a critical loss for Palestinians seeking supporters in the British press. It has been argued, however, that Northcliffe's editorial attacks on the Balfour Declaration would have gained more weight had they also spread to The Times but presumably he did not have the same degree of editorial control over The Times as he did over the Daily Mail.
*Northcliffe was also the boss of the author and commentator Douglas Reed who wrote the Controversy of Zion, a book that has been mentioned before on this Forum and is well worth reading.
Northcliffe met with and was much influenced by Jacob Israël de Haan (31 December 1881 – 30 June 1924) a Dutch Jewish literary writer, lawyer and journalist who emigrated to Palestine in 1919, and was assassinated in Jerusalem in 1924 by the Zionist paramilitary organization Haganah for his anti-Zionist political activities. Ironically de Haan had started out as an enthusiastic Zionist supporter but changed his mind after living in Palestine among the Arabs.
De Haan wrote extensively on the subject of Eretz Israel and Zionism even before he moved there in 1919, when he settled in Jerusalem teaching at a new law school, the Jerusalem Law Classes, established by the Government of Palestine in 1920, and sending articles to the Algemeen Handelsblad ("General Trade Journal"), one of the most important Dutch daily newspapers, and the De Groene Amsterdammer ("The Green Amsterdam Weekly"), a liberal weekly.
De Haan rapidly became more religiously committed. He was angered by Zionist refusals to cooperate with the Arabs.
At first he aligned himself with religious Zionism and the Mizrachi movement, but after meeting Rabbi Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld, leader of the ultra-conservative Haredi Jewish community, he became the political spokesman of the Haredim in Jerusalem and was elected political secretary of the Orthodox community council, Vaad Ha'ir. De Haan endeavoured to get an agreement with Arab nationalist leaders to allow unrestricted Jewish immigration into Palestine in exchange for a Jewish declaration forgoing the Balfour Declaration.
The secular Zionist establishment would not allow the established Haredi community in Palestine to be represented in the Jewish Agency in the 1920s. In response, the Haredim founded a branch of the Agudath Israel political organisation in Jerusalem to represent their interests in Mandate Palestine. The leader of the Haredi Jews in Palestine at the time, Rabbi Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld, chose de Haan to organise and represent the Haredi position as their foreign minister, on a diplomatic level equal to that of the secular Zionists. When Lord Northcliffe, a British publisher, was about to visit the Middle East, De Haan went to Alexandria, Egypt to present the case of Palestine's Haredim before he reached Palestine:
At first he aligned himself with religious Zionism and the Mizrachi movement, but after meeting Rabbi Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld, leader of the ultra-conservative Haredi Jewish community, he became the political spokesman of the Haredim in Jerusalem and was elected political secretary of the Orthodox community council, Vaad Ha'ir. De Haan endeavoured to get an agreement with Arab nationalist leaders to allow unrestricted Jewish immigration into Palestine in exchange for a Jewish declaration forgoing the Balfour Declaration.
The secular Zionist establishment would not allow the established Haredi community in Palestine to be represented in the Jewish Agency in the 1920s. In response, the Haredim founded a branch of the Agudath Israel political organisation in Jerusalem to represent their interests in Mandate Palestine. The leader of the Haredi Jews in Palestine at the time, Rabbi Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld, chose de Haan to organise and represent the Haredi position as their foreign minister, on a diplomatic level equal to that of the secular Zionists. When Lord Northcliffe, a British publisher, was about to visit the Middle East, De Haan went to Alexandria, Egypt to present the case of Palestine's Haredim before he reached Palestine:
De Haan, speaking on behalf of Agudath Israel, even opposed the British authorities allocating separate benefits to the Zionist-led Yishuv.
In August 1923, De Haan also met in Amman with the Hashemite leader Emir Hussein bin Ali, and his son, Emir Abdullah, the future king of independent Transjordan, seeking their support for the Old Yishuv (the pre-Zionist Jewish community in the Holy Land), explaining the Haredi Jewish opposition to the Zionist plans of founding a state, and supporting the establishment of an official Palestinian state within the Emirate of Transjordan as part of a federation. De Haan made plans to travel to London in July 1924, with an anti-Zionist Haredi delegation to argue against Zionism.
As part of his anti-Zionist activity, De Haan was just about to leave for London when he was assassinated in Jerusalem by the Haganah on the early morning of 30 June 1924. As he exited the synagogue at the Shaare Zedek Hospital on Jaffa Road, Haganah member Avraham Tehomi, who was dressed in white, approached him and asked him for the time, then shot him three times and ran away from the scene. De Haan died minutes later.
For more see: Jacob Israël de Haan - Wikipedia
Another source mentions that Lord Northcliffe’s Daily Mail published a series of articles in 1923 that presented a hitherto uninformed British readership with details of official promises made to the Arabs in 1915-16 of post-war independence for Palestine in exchange for their support in the struggle against the Ottoman Empire in the Middle East, something that London later reneged on. In 2015, historian William Mathew published a book consisting of this series of articles from the Daily Mail of 1923.
These articles by the journalist Joseph Jeffries, a former war correspondent who had recently undertaken his own investigations in Palestine, appraising the government`s pro-Zionist policies, are vivid in their documentation, wit, and argumentative power, and have now been published in edited, annotated form by the Institute for Palestine Studies, Washington D.C., under the title The Palestine Deception, 1915-1923. The McMahon-Hussein Correspondence, the Balfour Declaration, and the Jewish National Home .
In August 1923, De Haan also met in Amman with the Hashemite leader Emir Hussein bin Ali, and his son, Emir Abdullah, the future king of independent Transjordan, seeking their support for the Old Yishuv (the pre-Zionist Jewish community in the Holy Land), explaining the Haredi Jewish opposition to the Zionist plans of founding a state, and supporting the establishment of an official Palestinian state within the Emirate of Transjordan as part of a federation. De Haan made plans to travel to London in July 1924, with an anti-Zionist Haredi delegation to argue against Zionism.
As part of his anti-Zionist activity, De Haan was just about to leave for London when he was assassinated in Jerusalem by the Haganah on the early morning of 30 June 1924. As he exited the synagogue at the Shaare Zedek Hospital on Jaffa Road, Haganah member Avraham Tehomi, who was dressed in white, approached him and asked him for the time, then shot him three times and ran away from the scene. De Haan died minutes later.
For more see: Jacob Israël de Haan - Wikipedia
Another source mentions that Lord Northcliffe’s Daily Mail published a series of articles in 1923 that presented a hitherto uninformed British readership with details of official promises made to the Arabs in 1915-16 of post-war independence for Palestine in exchange for their support in the struggle against the Ottoman Empire in the Middle East, something that London later reneged on. In 2015, historian William Mathew published a book consisting of this series of articles from the Daily Mail of 1923.
These articles by the journalist Joseph Jeffries, a former war correspondent who had recently undertaken his own investigations in Palestine, appraising the government`s pro-Zionist policies, are vivid in their documentation, wit, and argumentative power, and have now been published in edited, annotated form by the Institute for Palestine Studies, Washington D.C., under the title The Palestine Deception, 1915-1923. The McMahon-Hussein Correspondence, the Balfour Declaration, and the Jewish National Home .
For more on this see: The Palestine Deception, 1915-1923, by William Mathew - Balfour Project
Jeffries` commentary opens tersely, going straight to fundamentals:It was demonstrably a fact, he wrote, that the only territorial exclusions McMahon outlined in his proposals to Hussein were the lands to the west of a Syrian line joining Aleppo in the north through Homs and Hama to Damascus in the south (roughly coterminous with present-day Lebanon, and north-west Syria), where there were large Christian and Druze communities as well as developing French imperial concerns. It was Britain`s particular wish, McMahon wrote, “to act without detriment to the interests of her Ally, France”. Hussein disliked these exceptions, pointing out that the people in question were Arab for the most part, but in the end agreed that this north-western corner of the Levant could form no part of the independent polity.
What particularly scandalised Jeffries was that the British colonial secretary, Winston Churchill, in his White Paper of June 1922, had casually asserted that Palestine also lay to the west of the Aleppo-Damascus line, on the specious grounds that a so-called vilayet of Ottoman Damascus had run all the way down to the Red Sea. In short, virtually the entire Mediterranean coast seemed now to be excluded. “Get an atlas of your own out”, Jeffries instructed. “There is no vilayet of Damascus; it does not exist! Naturally, it is not to be found in the McMahon text; if you read you will see the word used is `district` (moukataa in the Arabic). As in English, it is a word of loose general meaning, with the sense of the immediate surroundings of a city….A pretty position for a British Minister. He had invented a province and invented a territory….And the word of England?…In the waste-paper basket…”.
I should point out here that Winston Churchill was a great supporter of Zionism, perhaps not surprising really since his mother Lady Randolph Spencer-Churchill (née Jennie Jerome), was Jewish and he was also friends with another leading Zionist supporter, the American financier Bernard Baruch (a man who would claim during a Congressional hearing in the 1950's that he was the most powerful man in the United States of America, which to some extent was collaborated by then President Dwight D. Eisenhower who when opening a park named after Baruch's father declared that Baruch was the man to whom he owed everything, as he had taken a young 'birdshot' Colonel under his wing and made him into the President of the USA).
Given that Churchill did probably more than anyone else to destroy the British Empire that he supposedly so admired and wished to preserve, betraying a group of Arabs in Palestine would be small beer by comparison. It would also sit well with his later betrayal as British Prime Minister of the Government of Poland in exile and King Peter of Yugoslavia. So the Arabs of Palestine find themselves in good company. Yet somehow the Churchill myth still survives since as recently as 2002 he was voted by a BBC poll of the British people as the 'Greatest Briton' who ever lived.
What particularly scandalised Jeffries was that the British colonial secretary, Winston Churchill, in his White Paper of June 1922, had casually asserted that Palestine also lay to the west of the Aleppo-Damascus line, on the specious grounds that a so-called vilayet of Ottoman Damascus had run all the way down to the Red Sea. In short, virtually the entire Mediterranean coast seemed now to be excluded. “Get an atlas of your own out”, Jeffries instructed. “There is no vilayet of Damascus; it does not exist! Naturally, it is not to be found in the McMahon text; if you read you will see the word used is `district` (moukataa in the Arabic). As in English, it is a word of loose general meaning, with the sense of the immediate surroundings of a city….A pretty position for a British Minister. He had invented a province and invented a territory….And the word of England?…In the waste-paper basket…”.
I should point out here that Winston Churchill was a great supporter of Zionism, perhaps not surprising really since his mother Lady Randolph Spencer-Churchill (née Jennie Jerome), was Jewish and he was also friends with another leading Zionist supporter, the American financier Bernard Baruch (a man who would claim during a Congressional hearing in the 1950's that he was the most powerful man in the United States of America, which to some extent was collaborated by then President Dwight D. Eisenhower who when opening a park named after Baruch's father declared that Baruch was the man to whom he owed everything, as he had taken a young 'birdshot' Colonel under his wing and made him into the President of the USA).
Given that Churchill did probably more than anyone else to destroy the British Empire that he supposedly so admired and wished to preserve, betraying a group of Arabs in Palestine would be small beer by comparison. It would also sit well with his later betrayal as British Prime Minister of the Government of Poland in exile and King Peter of Yugoslavia. So the Arabs of Palestine find themselves in good company. Yet somehow the Churchill myth still survives since as recently as 2002 he was voted by a BBC poll of the British people as the 'Greatest Briton' who ever lived.